Of course there are guys on that list better thank Newhouse. They signed elsewhere. Doesn't mean we didn't make an effort.
They dont HAVE to play for the Giants, you know?
100% agree. But we also don't know if Jerry has put a lot of effort into signing a tackle either you know?
Jerry does have a history of ignoring some weaknesses on this team for long periods of time. Saying Reese has made all the right decisions recently would be an overstatement we haven't made the playoffs in 4 straight years. Obviously we haven't been doing something right. I am not putting all the blame on Reese or Coughlin or the Players. But it is a combined effort. Reese does need to draft better and address a lot more holes. I think he has done a much better job of that. I'm just saying from what I saw of Newhouse last year we will be in trouble if he is starting game 1 for us a RT. He just isn't good enough.
anyone that makes it seem like the Giants got hoodwinked and missed out on their one target in the draft sounds like a fool.
Even if floyd was the pick they wanted, they clearly didn't feel like he was so great that he was worth trading up for. They have shown that when they target players they love, they go get that guy.
Exactly. Thank you.
Seems like a different approach to the running game and TEs now
but he also said we have young guys in the room who need reps.
That's the thing.
They're at a turning point with the guys they have. THey need to know if Berhe, Taylor and the rest can play. It's been 2 years and Berhe hasn't played.
but he also said we have young guys in the room who need reps.
That's the thing.
They're at a turning point with the guys they have. THey need to know if Berhe, Taylor and the rest can play. It's been 2 years and Berhe hasn't played.
I dont think Cooper is more than a ST guy at best.
Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
it definitely reminds me of the safety situation last year. I don't think Jerry is terrible at his job but sometimes he has too much confidence in the fringe players he has.
Newhouse is a solid pro and solid depth. But he is not a starting caliber tackle. It's just that simple and I think Jerry has a difficult time seeing that.
John Jerry/Hart are passable at RG. But that Philly game is a perfect example because of Newhouse we didn't even stand a chance. Eli was under siege the entire game because of the lack of quality at RT.
No, it's not "Just that simple"
A RT was not available in FA or draft. They need one upgrade on right side- G or T.
Someone may shake loose.
Bull Shit! What was Mitchell Schwartz, the waterboy?
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
We know from Hitdog, who was spot on regarding the Giants FA targets, that he wasn't even on the radar scope.
They probably could have also signed Donald Penn had they moved earlier during the initial stages of FA, a conscious decision was made not address the position.
Schwartz was certainly looking for more money than the Giants
Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
it definitely reminds me of the safety situation last year. I don't think Jerry is terrible at his job but sometimes he has too much confidence in the fringe players he has.
Newhouse is a solid pro and solid depth. But he is not a starting caliber tackle. It's just that simple and I think Jerry has a difficult time seeing that.
John Jerry/Hart are passable at RG. But that Philly game is a perfect example because of Newhouse we didn't even stand a chance. Eli was under siege the entire game because of the lack of quality at RT.
No, it's not "Just that simple"
A RT was not available in FA or draft. They need one upgrade on right side- G or T.
Someone may shake loose.
Bull Shit! What was Mitchell Schwartz, the waterboy?
Schwartz was snapped up before we could even make our big signings. We never had a chance, imo
You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
RE: RE: Maybe Mitchell Schwartz didn't want to play here.
You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
Thank you, though I wouldn't mind an upgrade. To this point, the Giants don't seem too concerned..So many other matters to address and they have done a good job there, imo
RE: RE: RE: Maybe Mitchell Schwartz didn't want to play here.
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
We know from Hitdog, who was spot on regarding the Giants FA targets, that he wasn't even on the radar scope.
They probably could have also signed Donald Penn had they moved earlier during the initial stages of FA, a conscious decision was made not address the position.
My read on Donald Penn is that he played us for leverage.
Schwartz was signed right after our big signings, I find it hard to believe that the team couldn't juggle negotiating another deal at the same time and they still have around $20 million in cap space so its not like we were cash strapped. Also the lethargic manner in which they pursued OL targets after Schwartz was signed tells me that this was not one of their top priorities. The FO and coaching staff has made a decision to go into the season with Jerry, Newhouse and Hart battling for the two spots on the line. That's fine I get it. I don't agree with it but that is how it is. However, I don't think we should be creating fiction that there weren't any good options because there were.
You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
Good post. BBI seems to have an issue accepting that you can't have Pro-Bowlers everywhere, there is no such thing as "depth".
If Reese signed/drafted a RT, they'd bitch about something else.
It's what they do.
Reb, we need to earmark some money for the looming Odell extension
You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
Good post. BBI seems to have an issue accepting that you can't have Pro-Bowlers everywhere, there is no such thing as "depth".
If Reese signed/drafted a RT, they'd bitch about something else.
It's what they do.
The worst are the posters who think this is an uncapped league and we can afford to utilize all of our cap space and premium picks towards the OL. It's simply not a reality when so much of the cap goes towards the QB. You have to spend wisely.
Schwartz was signed right after our big signings, I find it hard to believe that the team couldn't juggle negotiating another deal at the same time and they still have around $20 million in cap space so its not like we were cash strapped. Also the lethargic manner in which they pursued OL targets after Schwartz was signed tells me that this was not one of their top priorities. The FO and coaching staff has made a decision to go into the season with Jerry, Newhouse and Hart battling for the two spots on the line. That's fine I get it. I don't agree with it but that is how it is. However, I don't think we should be creating fiction that there weren't any good options because there were.
Who's "creating fiction"???
Some here just understand that there are factors at play, you just can't add anyone you want to your roster, you have to pick your spots.
This team is significantly better on paper than it has been in years. Arrow is pointing up.
You're focusing on 1 position. Look at the big picture here. They need one player to pair with Hart on the ride side. If a veteran shakes loose (RT or RG), I would expect us to be interested.
You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
Good post. BBI seems to have an issue accepting that you can't have Pro-Bowlers everywhere, there is no such thing as "depth".
If Reese signed/drafted a RT, they'd bitch about something else.
It's what they do.
Yeah, how crazy to talk negatively about a team that hasn't made the postseason in 5 years. The audacity!
the beginning of FA. A strong offer early on might have convinced him to sign
I don't believe he made one visit during FA. It's all conjecture at this point. We do know that we made arrangements for him to visit, and it just never happened.
Schwartz was signed right after our big signings, I find it hard to believe that the team couldn't juggle negotiating another deal at the same time and they still have around $20 million in cap space so its not like we were cash strapped. Also the lethargic manner in which they pursued OL targets after Schwartz was signed tells me that this was not one of their top priorities. The FO and coaching staff has made a decision to go into the season with Jerry, Newhouse and Hart battling for the two spots on the line. That's fine I get it. I don't agree with it but that is how it is. However, I don't think we should be creating fiction that there weren't any good options because there were.
Who's "creating fiction"???
Some here just understand that there are factors at play, you just can't add anyone you want to your roster, you have to pick your spots.
This team is significantly better on paper than it has been in years. Arrow is pointing up.
You're focusing on 1 position. Look at the big picture here. They need one player to pair with Hart on the ride side. If a veteran shakes loose (RT or RG), I would expect us to be interested.
Did you not write this, "A RT was not available in FA or draft."
Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
Sounds like they are going to be active in signing released vets.
I get the same feeling. Anyone who says it sounds like the right side is set, I don't believe was listening to the interview. It is certainly possible but Jerry said that we'd be seeing a lot of what we just saw the Bears do. A lot of good o linemen being released as the new guys come in and add to the depth charts.
According to the interview, he doesn't seem set on o line at all. I truly believe he is waiting for a good veteran to be released.
Even Francesa was caught off guard and said well you pick who you pick.
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Of course there are guys on that list better thank Newhouse. They signed elsewhere. Doesn't mean we didn't make an effort.
They dont HAVE to play for the Giants, you know?
100% agree. But we also don't know if Jerry has put a lot of effort into signing a tackle either you know?
Jerry does have a history of ignoring some weaknesses on this team for long periods of time. Saying Reese has made all the right decisions recently would be an overstatement we haven't made the playoffs in 4 straight years. Obviously we haven't been doing something right. I am not putting all the blame on Reese or Coughlin or the Players. But it is a combined effort. Reese does need to draft better and address a lot more holes. I think he has done a much better job of that. I'm just saying from what I saw of Newhouse last year we will be in trouble if he is starting game 1 for us a RT. He just isn't good enough.
If one believes Thomas/area junc......
System will fit the players.
it is at the moment. That is what I'm hoping for assuming the compensation to the 9ers isn't outlandish.
Can separate on inside and outside
"Has big mitts"
Plays big.
Can use all guys outside.
On Flowers: Had one of toughest jobs. Long year for rookies, EF did a not job, having nice offseason
Adams will get after you as a blocker, will draw attention in middle of field.
Even if floyd was the pick they wanted, they clearly didn't feel like he was so great that he was worth trading up for. They have shown that when they target players they love, they go get that guy.
Exactly. Thank you.
Maybe it won't just be heavily reliant on old school power sets.
but he also said we have young guys in the room who need reps.
When asked about Rolle. Said he was a leader but would like to give the young safeties reps.
but he also said we have young guys in the room who need reps.
That's the thing.
They're at a turning point with the guys they have. THey need to know if Berhe, Taylor and the rest can play. It's been 2 years and Berhe hasn't played.
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but he also said we have young guys in the room who need reps.
That's the thing.
They're at a turning point with the guys they have. THey need to know if Berhe, Taylor and the rest can play. It's been 2 years and Berhe hasn't played.
I dont think Cooper is more than a ST guy at best.
You have no idea how hard I've lobbied for your sticky. Emails, texts,,phone calls..Finally..
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You have no idea how hard I've lobbied for your sticky. Emails, texts,,phone calls..Finally..
Appreciate the support!
Caller: "I don't know, an OL, someone big"
Caller: "I don't know, an OL, someone big"
prob someone on this board.
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Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
it definitely reminds me of the safety situation last year. I don't think Jerry is terrible at his job but sometimes he has too much confidence in the fringe players he has.
Newhouse is a solid pro and solid depth. But he is not a starting caliber tackle. It's just that simple and I think Jerry has a difficult time seeing that.
John Jerry/Hart are passable at RG. But that Philly game is a perfect example because of Newhouse we didn't even stand a chance. Eli was under siege the entire game because of the lack of quality at RT.
No, it's not "Just that simple"
A RT was not available in FA or draft. They need one upgrade on right side- G or T.
Someone may shake loose.
Bull Shit! What was Mitchell Schwartz, the waterboy?
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
We know from Hitdog, who was spot on regarding the Giants FA targets, that he wasn't even on the radar scope.
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
well the Giants did cut his brother, so that prob wasnt a win
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Maybe the $$$ wasn't right.
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
We know from Hitdog, who was spot on regarding the Giants FA targets, that he wasn't even on the radar scope.
Look at who they were linked to. Okung, a first round bust his original team didn't want. That's it.
It tells you they weren't interested in this market.
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In comment 12941310 jeff57 said:
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Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
it definitely reminds me of the safety situation last year. I don't think Jerry is terrible at his job but sometimes he has too much confidence in the fringe players he has.
Newhouse is a solid pro and solid depth. But he is not a starting caliber tackle. It's just that simple and I think Jerry has a difficult time seeing that.
John Jerry/Hart are passable at RG. But that Philly game is a perfect example because of Newhouse we didn't even stand a chance. Eli was under siege the entire game because of the lack of quality at RT.
No, it's not "Just that simple"
A RT was not available in FA or draft. They need one upgrade on right side- G or T.
Someone may shake loose.
Bull Shit! What was Mitchell Schwartz, the waterboy?
Schwartz was snapped up before we could even make our big signings. We never had a chance, imo
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Maybe the $$$ wasn't right.
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
We know from Hitdog, who was spot on regarding the Giants FA targets, that he wasn't even on the radar scope.
Hitdog also said he didn't know Apple was on the radar, so maybe he doesn't get every bit of information?
BTW, not knocking hitdog, he's been amazing this offseason providing us with scoops.
Thank you, though I wouldn't mind an upgrade. To this point, the Giants don't seem too concerned..So many other matters to address and they have done a good job there, imo
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Maybe the $$$ wasn't right.
They clearly were interest in OTs, it just didn't work out.
We know from Hitdog, who was spot on regarding the Giants FA targets, that he wasn't even on the radar scope.
They probably could have also signed Donald Penn had they moved earlier during the initial stages of FA, a conscious decision was made not address the position.
My read on Donald Penn is that he played us for leverage.
Good post. BBI seems to have an issue accepting that you can't have Pro-Bowlers everywhere, there is no such thing as "depth".
If Reese signed/drafted a RT, they'd bitch about something else.
It's what they do.
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You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
Good post. BBI seems to have an issue accepting that you can't have Pro-Bowlers everywhere, there is no such thing as "depth".
If Reese signed/drafted a RT, they'd bitch about something else.
It's what they do.
The worst are the posters who think this is an uncapped league and we can afford to utilize all of our cap space and premium picks towards the OL. It's simply not a reality when so much of the cap goes towards the QB. You have to spend wisely.
Who's "creating fiction"???
Some here just understand that there are factors at play, you just can't add anyone you want to your roster, you have to pick your spots.
This team is significantly better on paper than it has been in years. Arrow is pointing up.
You're focusing on 1 position. Look at the big picture here. They need one player to pair with Hart on the ride side. If a veteran shakes loose (RT or RG), I would expect us to be interested.
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You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
Good post. BBI seems to have an issue accepting that you can't have Pro-Bowlers everywhere, there is no such thing as "depth".
If Reese signed/drafted a RT, they'd bitch about something else.
It's what they do.
Yeah, how crazy to talk negatively about a team that hasn't made the postseason in 5 years. The audacity!
I don't believe he made one visit during FA. It's all conjecture at this point. We do know that we made arrangements for him to visit, and it just never happened.
-Posters who think it's 1985.
-Posters who think this is Madden.
-Posters who operate in reality and see big picture.
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Schwartz was signed right after our big signings, I find it hard to believe that the team couldn't juggle negotiating another deal at the same time and they still have around $20 million in cap space so its not like we were cash strapped. Also the lethargic manner in which they pursued OL targets after Schwartz was signed tells me that this was not one of their top priorities. The FO and coaching staff has made a decision to go into the season with Jerry, Newhouse and Hart battling for the two spots on the line. That's fine I get it. I don't agree with it but that is how it is. However, I don't think we should be creating fiction that there weren't any good options because there were.
Who's "creating fiction"???
Some here just understand that there are factors at play, you just can't add anyone you want to your roster, you have to pick your spots.
This team is significantly better on paper than it has been in years. Arrow is pointing up.
You're focusing on 1 position. Look at the big picture here. They need one player to pair with Hart on the ride side. If a veteran shakes loose (RT or RG), I would expect us to be interested.
Did you not write this, "A RT was not available in FA or draft."
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Jerry Reese on the current OL: "We have a couple veterans on the right side that people don't give enough credit. They're solid pros
Sounds like they are going to be active in signing released vets.
I get the same feeling. Anyone who says it sounds like the right side is set, I don't believe was listening to the interview. It is certainly possible but Jerry said that we'd be seeing a lot of what we just saw the Bears do. A lot of good o linemen being released as the new guys come in and add to the depth charts.
According to the interview, he doesn't seem set on o line at all. I truly believe he is waiting for a good veteran to be released.