You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
I'm not suggesting PFF ratings are always accurate and base my opinion solely on there reporting but this really doesn't bode well for Newhouse...
While the Giants didn’t break the bank for Newhouse, they probably should have more thoroughly explored other options. He has posted a negative grade in all but one game this season, had the 10th-worst pass blocking efficiency (92.9) among qualified OTs, and has been equally poor as a run blocker (33.4 run blocking grade, 33.2 pass blocking grade).
Schwartz was signed right after our big signings, I find it hard to believe that the team couldn't juggle negotiating another deal at the same time and they still have around $20 million in cap space so its not like we were cash strapped. Also the lethargic manner in which they pursued OL targets after Schwartz was signed tells me that this was not one of their top priorities. The FO and coaching staff has made a decision to go into the season with Jerry, Newhouse and Hart battling for the two spots on the line. That's fine I get it. I don't agree with it but that is how it is. However, I don't think we should be creating fiction that there weren't any good options because there were.
Who's "creating fiction"???
Some here just understand that there are factors at play, you just can't add anyone you want to your roster, you have to pick your spots.
This team is significantly better on paper than it has been in years. Arrow is pointing up.
You're focusing on 1 position. Look at the big picture here. They need one player to pair with Hart on the ride side. If a veteran shakes loose (RT or RG), I would expect us to be interested.
Did you not write this, "A RT was not available in FA or draft."
Poor choice of words by me, my apologies. By that, I meant that they were not able to procure a starter for the right side of the OL. It happens. You're acting like they are unaware it's a weakness.
Believe it or not, not every NFL team is stacked. Like others above have stated, it sure sounds like they will add another OL via a cut.
They just need to solid vet RG or RT to pair with Hart. They don't need Orlando Pace.
It would have been nice. They can still get one. I would hope they are inquiring about Davis. The niners should be lucky to get anything at all for him. If they Giants got Davis, I think that would easily upgrade not only the OL but the entire offense.
We've added a ton of pieces to this team, yet people focus on the RT, yet ignore how much, MUCH better this team is now at DL, LB, CB, S, WR, TE, & RB. It's better in almost every fucking way. The OL should be better based on consistency, Flowers/Pugh/Richburg/Hart should all be better players. They need one player on the OL. It isn't crazy to think a vet shakes loose.
OL isn't the mess BBI thinks it is.
Take a step back once in a while. Again, this isn't 1985.
Every team has holes.
a decent blocking TE would go a long way toward helping the Â
but I have to respond to the Marshall Newhouse is only depth and can't be your starting right tackle posts. He has started 50 of 76 games he has played in his career. yes he's in the bottom third of the league, but no he is not a disaster waiting to happen. And as to the Eagles game where he proved he allegedly was a disaster, if you're talking about the first game, Flowers was abused as much if not more in that game and in the second game we put up 30 points against the Eagles with him at right tackle. We are not going to lose games this year where we put up 30 points.
that says it all. I highly doubt the bong video even played a big part in the Giants decision to pass. I'm sure it didn't help but I don't think the Giants pick Tunsil even if the video never exists.
You can easily name 12-15 teams whose RT play was not any better than what Newhouse provided. Is he a player that can be upgraded - yes, but he is not this complete failure that people here seem to think he is
yes, let's settle for mediocrity. actually...less.
that says it all. I highly doubt the bong video even played a big part in the Giants decision to pass. I'm sure it didn't help but I don't think the Giants pick Tunsil even if the video never exists.
Huh? He said Apple was the best player available "with no issues".
This Tunsil thing is one of those BBI IQ tests. I don't thinks it's difficult to grasp.
These people simply want to bitch and simply can't see the truth if it were right in front of them. Even if we assume Newhouse is the 20th best RT, if the rest of the line is good he does not make the line bad.
As far as Jerry is concerned the posters simply refuse to admit that the guy is a very good pass blocker, he is garbage too, how can you even discuss that with them, they are clueless, so why bother.
I am confident that our OLine will be improved this season and confident that our team will be improved too, if we stay healthy we have a shot at making the post season, we need to stay healthy.
RE: a decent blocking TE would go a long way toward helping the Â
that says it all. I highly doubt the bong video even played a big part in the Giants decision to pass. I'm sure it didn't help but I don't think the Giants pick Tunsil even if the video never exists.
Huh? He said Apple was the best player available "with no issues".
This Tunsil thing is one of those BBI IQ tests. I don't thinks it's difficult to grasp.
All I said was I don't think the bong video played as big a part in the Giants thinking as some are suggesting. I think the Giants had other concerns with tunsil. Who knows. I have a hard time believing that the video alone swayed their decision.
it's nice to know that the vested interests are alive and well on BBI.
I happen to think that mphbullet36 had the better of the debate on the merits, such as they are, regarding Newhouse and Jerry (and Hart, let's hope he is not the latest incarnation of Brewer).
However, just as Jerry said he's prepared to enter the season at (F)S with Behre, Cooper, Mykele, et al.--which seems like a truly stupid statement given their utter lack of playing time, competitive adequacy against NFL caliber personnel--boom, the 3rd Round pick (I think the weakest of the draft, and if Sy'56 has not proven his acumen by now, shame on the doubters, and it has Ross written all over it), I have to think, I must think, to preserve sanity, that a move is forthcoming on the OL right side, if not from SF, from somewhere.
And I think mphbullet36 made a nice distinction between "established pros" and starting caliber--not All Pro--but starting caliber.
TTH, I think an important post, i.e., that McAdoo is looking at schemes to fit the personnel and not forcing scheme on personnel, could be a significant adjustment. No indictment of Tom, but few here would insist he was not set in too many of his ways.
Francesa: The players you brought in this year, did that shape your draft, or did you stick close to value?
Reese: We are always conscious of what we do in FA, but when we go into the draft we look for the best player available at the time for us to pick in the draft. The best player available, and if we can tie some need in there, that's abonus for us.
Maybe one of these years this sinks in and we can move on from the "Reese is a need drafter" nonsense.
Where the fuck did I ever say settle for mediocrity.
Who are all these FA RT that are that much better than Newhouse that were available. Schwartz got 20M guaranteed - 3 times more than the next FA RT. You sign that, it effects Pugh, Richburg and Flowers going forward.
Okung and other LT's did not want RT money. Exactly 2 FA RT got multi year deals. D. Penn got 12M for 2 years with 1/2 Guaranteed.
What OT other than maybe Decker was getting picked and playing RT.
is not a good tackle. Some people are drawing bad conclusions based on the lack of activity at RG/RT.
First, both Jerry/Newhouse are making vet min deals and entering the last year of their respective deals. Money talks in this business and that's not exactly a glowing endorsement of the players. If they're so solid, why not extend them to a team friendly deal? That's Reese's way and I'm sure those marginal talents would appreciate the security.
Second, just because Reese makes a comment to the effect that Jerry/Newhouse are solid pros, doesn't mean he thinks they're good players. What do you expect him to say? They're below average starters but we didn't have any other options? Of course he's going to protect his players with class. That's the Giants way.
Lastly, there weren't many options in FA or the draft to upgrade the right side. They expressed interest in Osemele and a few other guys, but they were priced out after what they spent on the defensive side. After Stanley/Conklin, no one really made sense in the draft. That's ok, I think they had a great FA/draft and improved the team everywhere but the right side. Reese tried to plug all of the holes and came pretty damn close.
Anyone who thinks Reese is happy with the right side and willing to stand pat going forward based on how this off-season has transpired is being foolish. I'd be willing to bet Reese looks to upgrade the right side in FA next year and/or the draft. He may even add a vet or two to compete before the season officially kicks off.
to believe the Giants front office settled for mediocrity this off-season. We rebuilt the pass rush which was non-existent last year, we vastly improved the secondary, we added a couple of potential weapons during the draft and we purged the roster of a number of players who either failed to develop or were on the sidelines hurt too often.
Just because you believe the offensive line is a disaster and should have been our number 1 priority, doesn't make it so.
I'm not suggesting PFF ratings are always accurate and base my opinion solely on there reporting but this really doesn't bode well for Newhouse...
Marshall Newhouse, OT, Giants (two years, $3 million, 32.9 overall grade)
While the Giants didn’t break the bank for Newhouse, they probably should have more thoroughly explored other options. He has posted a negative grade in all but one game this season, had the 10th-worst pass blocking efficiency (92.9) among qualified OTs, and has been equally poor as a run blocker (33.4 run blocking grade, 33.2 pass blocking grade).
I'm sure McAdoo would have insisted that a lineman be drafted if that was a problem.
I'm sure McAdoo would have insisted that a lineman be drafted if that was a problem.
He was sacked 27 times, tied for 4th least in the entire league.
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many times was Eli sacked last year?
I'm sure McAdoo would have insisted that a lineman be drafted if that was a problem.
He was sacked 27 times, tied for 4th least in the entire league.
do you think that was due to more of our west coast offense and how quickly we get rid of the ball or how good our offensive line was last year?
I will take the former rather than the latter.
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Schwartz was signed right after our big signings, I find it hard to believe that the team couldn't juggle negotiating another deal at the same time and they still have around $20 million in cap space so its not like we were cash strapped. Also the lethargic manner in which they pursued OL targets after Schwartz was signed tells me that this was not one of their top priorities. The FO and coaching staff has made a decision to go into the season with Jerry, Newhouse and Hart battling for the two spots on the line. That's fine I get it. I don't agree with it but that is how it is. However, I don't think we should be creating fiction that there weren't any good options because there were.
Who's "creating fiction"???
Some here just understand that there are factors at play, you just can't add anyone you want to your roster, you have to pick your spots.
This team is significantly better on paper than it has been in years. Arrow is pointing up.
You're focusing on 1 position. Look at the big picture here. They need one player to pair with Hart on the ride side. If a veteran shakes loose (RT or RG), I would expect us to be interested.
Did you not write this, "A RT was not available in FA or draft."
Poor choice of words by me, my apologies. By that, I meant that they were not able to procure a starter for the right side of the OL. It happens. You're acting like they are unaware it's a weakness.
Believe it or not, not every NFL team is stacked. Like others above have stated, it sure sounds like they will add another OL via a cut.
They just need to solid vet RG or RT to pair with Hart. They don't need Orlando Pace.
OL isn't the mess BBI thinks it is.
Take a step back once in a while. Again, this isn't 1985.
Every team has holes.
yes, let's settle for mediocrity. actually...less.
Huh? He said Apple was the best player available "with no issues".
This Tunsil thing is one of those BBI IQ tests. I don't thinks it's difficult to grasp.
As far as Jerry is concerned the posters simply refuse to admit that the guy is a very good pass blocker, he is garbage too, how can you even discuss that with them, they are clueless, so why bother.
I am confident that our OLine will be improved this season and confident that our team will be improved too, if we stay healthy we have a shot at making the post season, we need to stay healthy.
Jerrell Adams should be able to help out.
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right side. If Hart can grab the reins at RG and be even an average run blocker would solve the right side issue.
Jerrell Adams should be able to help out.
Let's hope. Sy56 is very high on him
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that says it all. I highly doubt the bong video even played a big part in the Giants decision to pass. I'm sure it didn't help but I don't think the Giants pick Tunsil even if the video never exists.
Huh? He said Apple was the best player available "with no issues".
This Tunsil thing is one of those BBI IQ tests. I don't thinks it's difficult to grasp.
All I said was I don't think the bong video played as big a part in the Giants thinking as some are suggesting. I think the Giants had other concerns with tunsil. Who knows. I have a hard time believing that the video alone swayed their decision.
Reese said Apple was their #1 "clean prospect"...
You think injuries scared them away, if not bong video?
I happen to think that mphbullet36 had the better of the debate on the merits, such as they are, regarding Newhouse and Jerry (and Hart, let's hope he is not the latest incarnation of Brewer).
However, just as Jerry said he's prepared to enter the season at (F)S with Behre, Cooper, Mykele, et al.--which seems like a truly stupid statement given their utter lack of playing time, competitive adequacy against NFL caliber personnel--boom, the 3rd Round pick (I think the weakest of the draft, and if Sy'56 has not proven his acumen by now, shame on the doubters, and it has Ross written all over it), I have to think, I must think, to preserve sanity, that a move is forthcoming on the OL right side, if not from SF, from somewhere.
And I think mphbullet36 made a nice distinction between "established pros" and starting caliber--not All Pro--but starting caliber.
TTH, I think an important post, i.e., that McAdoo is looking at schemes to fit the personnel and not forcing scheme on personnel, could be a significant adjustment. No indictment of Tom, but few here would insist he was not set in too many of his ways.
Reese: We are always conscious of what we do in FA, but when we go into the draft we look for the best player available at the time for us to pick in the draft. The best player available, and if we can tie some need in there, that's abonus for us.
Maybe one of these years this sinks in and we can move on from the "Reese is a need drafter" nonsense.
Who are all these FA RT that are that much better than Newhouse that were available. Schwartz got 20M guaranteed - 3 times more than the next FA RT. You sign that, it effects Pugh, Richburg and Flowers going forward.
Okung and other LT's did not want RT money. Exactly 2 FA RT got multi year deals. D. Penn got 12M for 2 years with 1/2 Guaranteed.
What OT other than maybe Decker was getting picked and playing RT.
First, both Jerry/Newhouse are making vet min deals and entering the last year of their respective deals. Money talks in this business and that's not exactly a glowing endorsement of the players. If they're so solid, why not extend them to a team friendly deal? That's Reese's way and I'm sure those marginal talents would appreciate the security.
Second, just because Reese makes a comment to the effect that Jerry/Newhouse are solid pros, doesn't mean he thinks they're good players. What do you expect him to say? They're below average starters but we didn't have any other options? Of course he's going to protect his players with class. That's the Giants way.
Lastly, there weren't many options in FA or the draft to upgrade the right side. They expressed interest in Osemele and a few other guys, but they were priced out after what they spent on the defensive side. After Stanley/Conklin, no one really made sense in the draft. That's ok, I think they had a great FA/draft and improved the team everywhere but the right side. Reese tried to plug all of the holes and came pretty damn close.
Anyone who thinks Reese is happy with the right side and willing to stand pat going forward based on how this off-season has transpired is being foolish. I'd be willing to bet Reese looks to upgrade the right side in FA next year and/or the draft. He may even add a vet or two to compete before the season officially kicks off.
-Posters who think it's 1985.
-Posters who think this is Madden.
-Posters who operate in reality and see big picture.
It's not 1985?
Just because you believe the offensive line is a disaster and should have been our number 1 priority, doesn't make it so.