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NYDN: Gruden owes Tunsil apology, possibly millions

Cruzin : 5/2/2016 2:02 pm
When a player is unfairly condemned after the draft, it might impact a player's image. When it happens during the draft, it can impact their wallet. While Tunsil's agent was on the phone furiously calling teams to tell them the bong picture "is not who he is," Gruden was telling teams and the world not to draft him.

At minimum, Gruden owes Tunsil an apology. At maximum, compensation.

After the 6th pick was made, Gruden got warmed up by blaming Tunsil and Twitter instead of the hacker.

"This whole thing makes me sick. This whole social media scene makes me sick." Gruden said on the broadcast. "If you're a young kid out there, put away your Twitter accounts, all right, if you want to be a pro football player. Somebody's gonna hack your account."

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That not bad compared to Mayock  
Reale01 : 5/2/2016 2:06 pm : link
He said he had "no sympathy" for Tunsil. He felt bad for Myles Jack but not for Tunsil. He was so brutal that he later walked it back a bit.
Puh  
AJ23 : 5/2/2016 2:06 pm : link
lease. Gruden is paid to voice his opinion.
I don't get it, why does Gruden owe him anything?  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2016 2:06 pm : link
what does Ozzie Newsome owe him?

After seeing the picture the Ravens removed Tunsil completely from their draft board.

Who was the guy who said he had zero sympathy for Tunsil?  
Tyrion : 5/2/2016 2:06 pm : link
He was so over the top in his hatred for Tunsil because of the hack that I honestly couldn't believe it. It was like Tunsil shot his mother.
Ahh it was Mayock  
Tyrion : 5/2/2016 2:07 pm : link
He was so over the top it was actually a bit disgusting.
I would think Deion owes the step-father some coin  
Rocky369 : 5/2/2016 2:07 pm : link
as well. Tunsil artfully stepped out of the direct question, but Deion put the step-dad on blast before Tunsil ever got off the stage.
Gruden doesn't owe anyone a dime  
David in LA : 5/2/2016 2:07 pm : link
I don't think teams were saying "hold up. Before we take him off the board, let's see what Jon Gruden has to say."
So this imbecile is saying Jerry Reese would've drafted  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/2/2016 2:08 pm : link
Laremy Tunsil, but was scared off because of Jon Gruden's opinion? I'm not in the habit of demonizing weed smokers, but what Tunsil did was incredibly stupid and HE cost HIMSELF. He's got no one to blame but himself.

All that being said, I still would've taken him at 10.
Mayock was comparing  
Capt. Don : 5/2/2016 2:09 pm : link
Jack and Tunsil. He said he had tons of sympathy for Jack who was sliding through no fault of his own and no sympathy for Tunsil who was at fault.

I agree with him.
If the guy thinks Gruden was a jerk, and spoke unfairly about Tunsil,  
Mad Mike : 5/2/2016 2:10 pm : link
so be it. That's probably a reasonable opinion. But the notion that he was somehow responsible for the slide in his draft spot is more than a little silly.
Did Gruden..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/2/2016 2:10 pm : link
actually say something wrong? A Twitter account getting hacked could have a disasterous impact.
How is it even the hackers fault?  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2016 2:10 pm : link
holy shit take some f-ing accountability.

this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.

Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.

Mayock's analysis  
allstarjim : 5/2/2016 2:11 pm : link
was tough but fair. He did walk it back a bit later and said he felt bad about it, and said he did feel some sympathy for Tunsil. But the main thing is that actions have consequences, and I think that's what both men were talking about.

Gruden, nor Mayock, owes Tunsil anything. Tunsil is a big boy, he can handle the consequences of his mistakes. And further, it was the hacker that leaked it.

Gruden's job is to give opinions and color, in this case, for the draft. He did his job.

I did not agree with ESPN, while Tunsil was still on the board, blasting the image of Tunsil in the bong-mask. I thought that was classless. They could've talked about it and at least held on to the image until after it was drafted.

Gruden  
ryanmkeane : 5/2/2016 2:11 pm : link
doesn't owe anybody shit, neither does Mayock.
It wasn't even the  
ryanmkeane : 5/2/2016 2:12 pm : link
video or the act that I found weird. Tunsil's actions and words after the fact have been just, not good. "I'm just hear to play football" "I just wanna talk about the Dolphins." C'mon man...show some humility at least.
Tunsil  
AJ23 : 5/2/2016 2:14 pm : link
didn't drop only because teams learned he was smoking marijuana.

Tunsil dropped mostly because he was stupid enough to knowingly allow himself to be filmed while taking bong hits out of a gas mask.

I'm sick of people making this an argument that the league is too strict when it comes to weed. The league is too strict when it comes to weed in the sense that the punishments for positive marijuana tests are too much. But in the case of Tunsil, we're not arguing about a test.

NFL teams -- employers, in this case -- would like to know the player they're investing in has a good head on their shoulders. Even if it was 4 or 6 or 8 years ago, Tunsil was still a mightily talented football player. He knew that as he looked into a camera, which is way more concerning than any positive weed test.



The league isn't remotely tough when it comes to weed.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/2/2016 2:15 pm : link
They're "tough" on guys dumb enough to get caught.
RE: How is it even the hackers fault?  
Tom in NY : 5/2/2016 2:16 pm : link
In comment 12941212 pjcas18 said:
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holy shit take some f-ing accountability.

this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.

Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.



Ummm...illegally going into someone else's account and posting or making public a private video would be wrong 100 out of 100 times.

Fault falls to Tunsil for his actions "2 years prior", but also for the criminal who made this public.
RE: How is it even the hackers fault?  
dust_bowl : 5/2/2016 2:16 pm : link
In comment 12941212 pjcas18 said:
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holy shit take some f-ing accountability.

this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.

Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.

what a square you are. The kid took a bong hit two years ago. You ever take a bong hit? Most Americans have. Mayock should focus his anger on the nfl who actively hides the realities of concussions by various means. Come on
RE: It wasn't even the  
ron mexico : 5/2/2016 2:16 pm : link
In comment 12941218 ryanmkeane said:
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video or the act that I found weird. Tunsil's actions and words after the fact have been just, not good. "I'm just hear to play football" "I just wanna talk about the Dolphins." C'mon man...show some humility at least.


He tried that and end up implicating himself on a pay to play violation.

Tunsil  
steve in ky : 5/2/2016 2:16 pm : link
Like many people do at his age he didn't use good judgment. Most get away with it but some don't and he is one that didn't as it came back to bite him in the rear. Hard to hold anyone else responsible for that.

He still still is going to make a lot of money and if he learns from this and keeps his head on straight going forward he will have a good chance of making back the money he cost himself many times over.

There a many people more deserving of our pity.
Gruden makes me sick  
jeff57 : 5/2/2016 2:17 pm : link
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You all do realize  
Joey in VA : 5/2/2016 2:18 pm : link
That Tunsil illegally took money from a booster and got caught and suspended. He's also involved in a lawsuit where he physically fought his stepfather. Now this idiotic weed thing? It's icing on the cake, not the reason he was passed over. It shows a pattern of piss poor decision making, I wouldn't hire him, would you?
There's a lot of people..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/2/2016 2:18 pm : link
who think that video is closer to 6 months old than 2 years, but nevertheless, it isn't the pot smoking that teams dropped him for, it was another instance of poor judgment or decision making
RE: RE: How is it even the hackers fault?  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2016 2:18 pm : link
In comment 12941233 Tom in NY said:
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In comment 12941212 pjcas18 said:


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holy shit take some f-ing accountability.

this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.

Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.





Ummm...illegally going into someone else's account and posting or making public a private video would be wrong 100 out of 100 times.

Fault falls to Tunsil for his actions "2 years prior", but also for the criminal who made this public.


So Tunsil can sue the hacker. Good luck with that. If the hacker found child porn on his phone would you feel the same way?

It's Tunsil's fault he dropped. Period.

and he dropped to 13, so it's not like a La'el Collins situation either - where if that guy got hosed it's a different story (not sure all the details ever came out there).
that would suggest each front office  
UConn4523 : 5/2/2016 2:18 pm : link
listened to the views of John Gruden instead of their own draft process and information. So yeah I don't buy that at all. They don't owe him anything.
This line says it all:  
shabu : 5/2/2016 2:21 pm : link
1.) The absurd persecution of marijuana use by a league more than happy to dope up all its players up on pain-killers.
It also makes you think...  
phil in arizona : 5/2/2016 2:22 pm : link
Why does this guy have so many enemies?
Ugly situation that was a shame really. But Tunsil  
Jimmy Googs : 5/2/2016 2:22 pm : link
is at the heart of the problem and everybody else only played a supporting role in making it public.

And that headline is a joke...nobody owes Tunsil anything.
RE: This line says it all:  
steve in ky : 5/2/2016 2:25 pm : link
In comment 12941268 shabu said:
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1.) The absurd persecution of marijuana use by a league more than happy to dope up all its players up on pain-killers.




NFL is a company built around family entertainment
do you really have a hard time grasping why the NFL doesn't want to embrace illegal drug use?
Yeah, he owe's him Jack Shit  
ZogZerg : 5/2/2016 2:27 pm : link
How fucking stupid to print that article.
RE: It also makes you think...  
ron mexico : 5/2/2016 2:28 pm : link
In comment 12941271 phil in arizona said:
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Why does this guy have so many enemies?


yes indeed
He's being sued for assaulting  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/2/2016 2:31 pm : link
his step-father, took $ from coaches at Ole Miss, & had a photo of him smoking from a bong released right before the draft.

This kid is a trainwreck.
RE: How is it even the hackers fault?  
Beer Man : 5/2/2016 2:32 pm : link
In comment 12941212 pjcas18 said:
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holy shit take some f-ing accountability.

this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.

Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.

Those dam hackers, now they're making people smoke dope.
Mannings likely know  
Reale01 : 5/2/2016 2:47 pm : link
A lot about the kid. The NYG have pretty good access in inside info at Ole Miss. They passed for a reason. There were several scouting reports prior to the draft that were less than flattering in terms of on field performance (on this board). He apparently did not run at combine so as to be "fresh: for on field. Also was injured and missed a fair amout of time.

I have no problem with the Giants passing. How motivated will he be once he gets paid?
The NFL is filled  
averagejoe : 5/2/2016 2:49 pm : link
with very large, strong, violent young men. I think smoking weed should be mandatory.
Why would Gruden owe him anything?  
Matt M. : 5/2/2016 2:54 pm : link
If you buy the Twitter hack story, then the hacker is the only person who may him anything. The pictures and video are him. This was enough to drop him.
How does he owe Tunsil compensation?  
Vanzetti : 5/2/2016 2:56 pm : link
Gruden is a member of the media. why can't he voice the opinion that Tunsil is a bad risk?

Most idiotic thing I have ever heard. I guess this Hulk Hogan ruling is making every lawyer think they have a lawsuit for loss of compensation
That NY Post story the morning of the draft about staying  
jcn56 : 5/2/2016 2:57 pm : link
away from Tunsil had to be a plant by the team, right? In anticipation of likely being in position to draft Tunsil and passing on him?

I don't see how what Gruden said was that wrong - and if anything, what they said about our 6th round pick being stupid sounds far worse.
Starbucks..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/2/2016 2:59 pm : link
puts too much ice in my coffee. I think I'll sue them as well!
Millennials are funny  
Mason : 5/2/2016 3:08 pm : link
Tunsil represented the good and bad of millennials on Thursday night.
Tunsil has had injury problems  
bluetothegrave : 5/2/2016 3:09 pm : link
I like Apple a lot, I actually love our draft. We need a RT in the worst way, I pray we are smart enough and not stubborn enough to realize that and trade for davis or pry someone else loose. I think we are on the precipice of having our best year in many a season. On Tunsil, out of a possible 35 games he has missed 6 or 7 to injury..slight red flag. Admitting he took money from a coach. Not seemingly overly bright. The coach did nothing wrong btw. NCAA is pathetic Tunsil should have kept his mouth shut and protected the coaches that helped him pay his moms electric bill. I am trying to say I am not so furious Giants passed on him but...but. A 18-21 year old kid taking a Bong Hit? All those holier than thou fucking pricks on tv. I have pulled probably 1000..no way..much more 10000 bong hits. I have a nice job, a family 2 kids. I am an active member of my community and many boards. I still smoke right now. Just did on saturday. Fuck you and your 1940s bullshit. Pot is not even a drug. It does nothing to enhance your ability to play a sport, it does not make you overly agressive at all. It makes you chill and thats about it. If we passed on him due to that video? Shame on us. Its going to be legal soon how about "who cares that a college kid pulled a hit" I don't get it. Its not coke or crack or heroin, There is no gateway drug bullshit. We better have not passed on him due to that video.
RE: Tunsil has had injury problems  
David in LA : 5/2/2016 3:13 pm : link
In comment 12941482 bluetothegrave said:
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I like Apple a lot, I actually love our draft. We need a RT in the worst way, I pray we are smart enough and not stubborn enough to realize that and trade for davis or pry someone else loose. I think we are on the precipice of having our best year in many a season. On Tunsil, out of a possible 35 games he has missed 6 or 7 to injury..slight red flag. Admitting he took money from a coach. Not seemingly overly bright. The coach did nothing wrong btw. NCAA is pathetic Tunsil should have kept his mouth shut and protected the coaches that helped him pay his moms electric bill. I am trying to say I am not so furious Giants passed on him but...but. A 18-21 year old kid taking a Bong Hit? All those holier than thou fucking pricks on tv. I have pulled probably 1000..no way..much more 10000 bong hits. I have a nice job, a family 2 kids. I am an active member of my community and many boards. I still smoke right now. Just did on saturday. Fuck you and your 1940s bullshit. Pot is not even a drug. It does nothing to enhance your ability to play a sport, it does not make you overly agressive at all. It makes you chill and thats about it. If we passed on him due to that video? Shame on us. Its going to be legal soon how about "who cares that a college kid pulled a hit" I don't get it. Its not coke or crack or heroin, There is no gateway drug bullshit. We better have not passed on him due to that video.


The point in passing on Tunsil sailed way over your head.
OK..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/2/2016 3:15 pm : link
so you'd be fine taking a video of smoking pot and sending along to your community and the boards you are on?

How hard is it to realize this isn't about smoking pot - it is the use of bad judgment and poor decision-making, across the board in many areas?
Welcome to the world where personal accountability  
mfsd : 5/2/2016 3:15 pm : link
Is secondary to assigning blame to someone else for the consequences of your own actions.
RE: OK..  
dust_bowl : 5/2/2016 3:20 pm : link
In comment 12941499 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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so you'd be fine taking a video of smoking pot and sending along to your community and the boards you are on?

How hard is it to realize this isn't about smoking pot - it is the use of bad judgment and poor decision-making, across the board in many areas?
you are delusional. The kid was 19 years old at the time. He passed all his drug tests.
What an idiotic article  
Modus Operandi : 5/2/2016 3:20 pm : link
We are all dumber for having read it.
Also, he dropped for other reasons  
Matt M. : 5/2/2016 3:21 pm : link
He is alleged (by his own teammate) to be using synthetic marijuana. He has questions about his strength, conditioning, work ethic, and ability to sustain blocks. There is plenty to make him drop.
This is what happens  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/2/2016 3:21 pm : link
when you do stupid shit on camera.
What am I delusional about??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/2/2016 3:21 pm : link
I said this isn't about smoking pot - it is about poor judgment and decisions.

As usual, you don't make any sense.
Put it this way  
ryanmkeane : 5/2/2016 3:21 pm : link
Josh Gordon basically hasn't played in 2 seasons not because he's a bad guy but because he literally has zero ability to show good judgement. What's worse - he's never the one to blame when something happens to him. This notion that Tunsil is somehow clean of all blame for the multitude of issues he's facing - is just classic excuse making BS.

did anyone ask him if he ever smoked weed?  
rasbutant : 5/2/2016 3:24 pm : link
If they did and he said no, its a problem. But what if he said yes? What would the opinions be then?
he took that bong rip  
UConn4523 : 5/2/2016 3:26 pm : link
like a champ, that doesn't come from minimal smoking, likely pot head IMO.

I don't care about the pot, but his poor judgement is the crux of everything and why he fell. Its not that hard to understand.
UCONN..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/2/2016 3:28 pm : link
appartently it is hard to understand. Everytime a post is made about poor judgment, it is followed by somebody saying "It's just pot!"
David and co.  
bluetothegrave : 5/2/2016 3:29 pm : link
Nothing sailed over my head as usual your posts are cryptic and meant to be mean spirited. Judgement...the kid is 21. This video was taken sometime when the kid was 19,20 or 21. How about you using judgement and realizing it is a college kid taking a bong hit. Unbelievable.

He is playing football. Not running for president or flying an airplane. He didn't hit a woman, steal anything or use homophobic slurs. Love Apple, love our draft. Legalize the stuff and make this a non issue for the next kid.
100% Tunsil's fault.  
madgiantscow009 : 5/2/2016 3:32 pm : link


I thought the pick was funny, I don't care about the pot, but the stupid bothers me.
RE: David and co.  
ryanmkeane : 5/2/2016 3:32 pm : link
In comment 12941553 bluetothegrave said:
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Nothing sailed over my head as usual your posts are cryptic and meant to be mean spirited. Judgement...the kid is 21. This video was taken sometime when the kid was 19,20 or 21. How about you using judgement and realizing it is a college kid taking a bong hit. Unbelievable.

He is playing football. Not running for president or flying an airplane. He didn't hit a woman, steal anything or use homophobic slurs. Love Apple, love our draft. Legalize the stuff and make this a non issue for the next kid.

You realize Tunsil isn't like...a normal college kid right? He's a professional, with a business investing millions of dollars into his decision making. Do you seriously not understand the difference?
No. It's not just about pot.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/2/2016 3:39 pm : link
It's his judgement. This is a kid who 1) allowed himself to be videotaped smoking from a bong, 2) took $ from an Ole Miss coach, 3) is being sued by his step-father for assault, & 4) was with Nkemdiche when he fell out of a hotel window.

This isn't one incident. This is a pattern of questionable decision making.
RE: David and co.  
UConn4523 : 5/2/2016 3:39 pm : link
In comment 12941553 bluetothegrave said:
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Nothing sailed over my head as usual your posts are cryptic and meant to be mean spirited. Judgement...the kid is 21. This video was taken sometime when the kid was 19,20 or 21. How about you using judgement and realizing it is a college kid taking a bong hit. Unbelievable.

He is playing football. Not running for president or flying an airplane. He didn't hit a woman, steal anything or use homophobic slurs. Love Apple, love our draft. Legalize the stuff and make this a non issue for the next kid.


What does all that matter? It goes against the rules of the NFL regardless of you disagreeing with them or not. If he's a suspension waiting to happen what GM wouldn't take that into consideration? Add in the lawsuit, taking money, and whatever else, you have several scenarios that all represent poor judgement.
RE: UCONN..  
steve in ky : 5/2/2016 3:44 pm : link
In comment 12941547 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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appartently it is hard to understand. Everytime a post is made about poor judgment, it is followed by somebody saying "It's just pot!"


It appears some people lack the judgment to understand that the larger issue is about his poor judgment.
RE: How is it even the hackers fault?  
Ned In Atlanta : 5/2/2016 3:48 pm : link
In comment 12941212 pjcas18 said:
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holy shit take some f-ing accountability.

this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.

Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.



I've been reading BBI since 2005 and this honestly might be the most moronic post I've ever read. So the hacker isn't at fault? I really can't comprehend how illogical your train of thought is. So you have NEVER emailed something to someone that you might be embarrassed for the whole world to find out? Someone ILLEGALLY signed onto this guy's social media account and posted this stuff. If you want to say that Tunsil should have never done that or allowed it to be photographed, I agree. But wow.
RE: RE: How is it even the hackers fault?  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2016 3:55 pm : link
In comment 12941591 Ned In Atlanta said:
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In comment 12941212 pjcas18 said:


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holy shit take some f-ing accountability.

this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.

Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.





I've been reading BBI since 2005 and this honestly might be the most moronic post I've ever read. So the hacker isn't at fault? I really can't comprehend how illogical your train of thought is. So you have NEVER emailed something to someone that you might be embarrassed for the whole world to find out? Someone ILLEGALLY signed onto this guy's social media account and posted this stuff. If you want to say that Tunsil should have never done that or allowed it to be photographed, I agree. But wow.


If I allow myself to be photographed or videotaped doing something illegal, and that winds up, no matter how, becoming public, then no I will not blame someone else for my actions becoming public.

Let me guess, you're in your 20's and need safe spaces and got participation trophies your whole life?

if so, I can see why you wouldn't understand accountability and need to continually find outlets for blame instead of just accepting responsibility like a grown up.
How about not commenting at all  
RB^2 : 5/2/2016 3:56 pm : link
until all the facts are known? That's just a good life lesson in general.
RE: RE: RE: How is it even the hackers fault?  
jcn56 : 5/2/2016 3:59 pm : link
In comment 12941600 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 12941591 Ned In Atlanta said:


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In comment 12941212 pjcas18 said:


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holy shit take some f-ing accountability.

this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.

Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.





I've been reading BBI since 2005 and this honestly might be the most moronic post I've ever read. So the hacker isn't at fault? I really can't comprehend how illogical your train of thought is. So you have NEVER emailed something to someone that you might be embarrassed for the whole world to find out? Someone ILLEGALLY signed onto this guy's social media account and posted this stuff. If you want to say that Tunsil should have never done that or allowed it to be photographed, I agree. But wow.



If I allow myself to be photographed or videotaped doing something illegal, and that winds up, no matter how, becoming public, then no I will not blame someone else for my actions becoming public.

Let me guess, you're in your 20's and need safe spaces and got participation trophies your whole life?

if so, I can see why you wouldn't understand accountability and need to continually find outlets for blame instead of just accepting responsibility like a grown up.


It's probably even worse than this - this idiot probably had that video on his phone, and someone managed to scoop it up when he wasn't looking and post it online.

Yeah, it was all the "hackers" fault.
RE: How about not commenting at all  
pjcas18 : 5/2/2016 4:00 pm : link
In comment 12941606 RB^2 said:
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until all the facts are known? That's just a good life lesson in general.


Maybe instead of lecturing others you can refrain from commenting. That might be a good life lesson for you.

This is a message board not a courtroom and the picture speaks for itself and the commentary was mostly around the picture even existing, which is mostly why he dropped.

Quote:
Aditi Kinkhabwala

‎@AKinkhabwala

Ravens took Tunsil OFF their board after that video, member of organization tells me. OFF.
9:03 PM - 28 Apr 2016


what other facts are you waiting for?

RE: You all do realize  
Beezer : 5/2/2016 4:08 pm : link
In comment 12941249 Joey in VA said:
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That Tunsil illegally took money from a booster and got caught and suspended. He's also involved in a lawsuit where he physically fought his stepfather. Now this idiotic weed thing? It's icing on the cake, not the reason he was passed over. It shows a pattern of piss poor decision making, I wouldn't hire him, would you?


I won't defend anything the kid has done, or has been alleged to have done.

I'll say this, though. Dealing with a lot of high school boys in our AAU basketball program, several of whom come from conditions that sometimes make me stare in disbelief at how the kids even manage a smile on their faces at times, I can understand how it would be extremely, extremely difficult to turn down money from someone who wanted to offer it. Some of these kids have nothing, and are thin because they literally don't eat much food. Tunsil made that mistake, but I place that one on a sliding scale, personally.

I'm curious about why he physically fought the step-father. Might make me feel one way or another to know the reasons such a thing happened. Another one of our boys moved into the mom's house with the mom last fall. The guy became abusive. The kid (a sophomore) stepped in between. No blows, but pushing and shoving ... yadda yadda yadda, the boyfriend booted them both and they stayed in the attic of a teammate's family from October to last month.

The gas mask? I got nuthin'. Dumb ass.
Correction ...  
Beezer : 5/2/2016 4:10 pm : link

moved into the mom's boyfriend's house with the mom ...
Holy Cow  
Bernie : 5/2/2016 4:12 pm : link
the only person Tunsil has to blame for this mess is himself. Period. End of story. It's called accountability.
RE: 100% Tunsil's fault.  
Beer Man : 5/2/2016 4:39 pm : link
In comment 12941556 madgiantscow009 said:
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I thought the pick was funny, I don't care about the pot, but the stupid bothers me.
LOL!
RE: What am I delusional about??  
dust_bowl : 5/2/2016 4:42 pm : link
In comment 12941521 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I said this isn't about smoking pot - it is about poor judgment and decisions.

As usual, you don't make any sense.
how was your judgement at 19? You must hate bush he was an alcoholic and Coke head. You must hate Hillary. She was a pothead and campaigned for a segregationist. The issue with the money he took was 300 bucks to pay his mothers electric and apparently he beat his step father up to protect his mother.

Further, before Eli got drafted a picture showed him wasted at age 19. I mean obliterated. That's illegal. Guess you hate his judgement too.

You are a joke.
Yes..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/2/2016 4:47 pm : link
because it is only one video of Tunsil people are objecting to.

You intentionally don't get it. I'll be the joke, because you are just a fucking punchline.
Even by db's standards,  
Mad Mike : 5/2/2016 4:47 pm : link
those are fantastically bad comparisons. Bravo sir.
shooting the messenger is not a sound legal strategy  
Victor in CT : 5/2/2016 4:48 pm : link
Gruden just gave his opinion.
RE: RE: What am I delusional about??  
bluetothegrave : 5/2/2016 5:01 pm : link
In comment 12941725 dust_bowl said:
Quote:
In comment 12941521 FatMan in Charlotte said:


Quote:


I said this isn't about smoking pot - it is about poor judgment and decisions.

As usual, you don't make any sense.

how was your judgement at 19? You must hate bush he was an alcoholic and Coke head. You must hate Hillary. She was a pothead and campaigned for a segregationist. The issue with the money he took was 300 bucks to pay his mothers electric and apparently he beat his step father up to protect his mother.

Further, before Eli got drafted a picture showed him wasted at age 19. I mean obliterated. That's illegal. Guess you hate his judgement too.

You are a joke.



MY friend we are two pea's in a pod. I could not agree with your post more. Very well said.
RE: Even by db's standards,  
dust_bowl : 5/2/2016 5:18 pm : link
In comment 12941733 Mad Mike said:
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those are fantastically bad comparisons. Bravo sir.
yea they are bad. One was a president. The other a senator and likely president. And as for Eli it's worse cause alcohol is more addictive and more harmful. These factors mitigate Tunsil smoking a bong in comparison. There is no debate. If you object to Tunsil you must of objected to Eli, especially considering at that time the rookie pay scales were higher.
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 5/2/2016 5:24 pm : link
1) This is not simply about a picture with a bong.

2) That said, the bong is also attached to a gas mask to enhance the high, which makes it a little worse.

3) His own teammate said he uses synthetic marijuana, which is a much larger concern.

4) He has other character issues and on field issues.

5) As I understand it, he didn't take money to pay his mother's bills. He wrote to some school official inquiring as to why his mother's bills haven't been paid. This is damning as it is written proof of accepting money he shouldn't have. Of course, this is more likely to negatively impact the school than Tunsil at this point.
RE: RE: RE: What am I delusional about??  
speedywheels : 5/2/2016 5:28 pm : link
In comment 12941763 bluetothegrave said:
Quote:
In comment 12941725 dust_bowl said:


Quote:


In comment 12941521 FatMan in Charlotte said:


Quote:


I said this isn't about smoking pot - it is about poor judgment and decisions.

As usual, you don't make any sense.

how was your judgement at 19? You must hate bush he was an alcoholic and Coke head. You must hate Hillary. She was a pothead and campaigned for a segregationist. The issue with the money he took was 300 bucks to pay his mothers electric and apparently he beat his step father up to protect his mother.

Further, before Eli got drafted a picture showed him wasted at age 19. I mean obliterated. That's illegal. Guess you hate his judgement too.

You are a joke.




MY friend we are two pea's in a pod. I could not agree with your post more. Very well said.


bluetothegrave must be one of dust-bowl's other handles - same writing style and same poor grammar...
It also didn't help how his agent responded  
Matt M. : 5/2/2016 5:29 pm : link
It was an asinine response that also had no credibility on any level. His own response wasn't much better. And it doesn't really matter if his account was hacked. That is him in the video.
One last point about Gruden specifically  
Matt M. : 5/2/2016 5:35 pm : link
How could he owe Tunsil anything? He was doing what he was paid to do. It is no different than offering his opinion on any other draft prospect. Now, if he had made up drug accusations as the basis for his opinion, then you could be on to something. But, he commented in response, in part, to the video. He had other reasons for his opinion.
Compensation? Millions?  
njm : 5/2/2016 5:39 pm : link
1. Isn't truth an absolute defense to any slander allegation? He DID smoke pot and he DID take money.

2. Deej can answer this, but is Tunsil a public figure? That would make it even harder for him to win.

3. Negative comments causing his draft stock to fall? If that's the sole basis, then every draft columnist would be liable anytime they said a player was slow, even though he ran a 5.9 40.

Utterly ridiculous.

People hating on Tunsil?  
Glover : 5/2/2016 6:00 pm : link
I saw someone called him a train wreck? Question his motivation after he gets paid? Take the side of his step dad who is suing him? He missed a lot of games? He took money from Ole Miss?

Where was all this before the bong video?
this guy got fucked over and all you suckers fueled the bullshit fire.
He is the most talented player in the draft and the most talented LT to come along in a long time. Teams like the Ravens, the Titans are the Giants make the same mistake you do. The Dolphins are glad you are afraid.
Tunsel was not the best prospect in the draft  
Modus Operandi : 5/2/2016 6:08 pm : link
Nor is he the best T prospect in years. There were legitimate questions raised about his level of play even prior to all the OTF stuff.
RE: People hating on Tunsil?  
dust_bowl : 5/2/2016 6:10 pm : link
In comment 12941872 Glover said:
Quote:
I saw someone called him a train wreck? Question his motivation after he gets paid? Take the side of his step dad who is suing him? He missed a lot of games? He took money from Ole Miss?

Where was all this before the bong video?
this guy got fucked over and all you suckers fueled the bullshit fire.
He is the most talented player in the draft and the most talented LT to come along in a long time. Teams like the Ravens, the Titans are the Giants make the same mistake you do. The Dolphins are glad you are afraid.
plus 1000
Typical,  
section125 : 5/2/2016 6:21 pm : link
I screwed up, got called on it and so it is somebody else's fault. I'm stupid enough to video myself smoking pot through a gas mask and it is John Gruden's fault.

What GM do you think was watching John Gruden during the draft?
RE: A few thoughts  
dust_bowl : 5/2/2016 6:33 pm : link
In comment 12941814 Matt M. said:
Quote:
1) This is not simply about a picture with a bong.

2) That said, the bong is also attached to a gas mask to enhance the high, which makes it a little worse.

3) His own teammate said he uses synthetic marijuana, which is a much larger concern.

4) He has other character issues and on field issues.

5) As I understand it, he didn't take money to pay his mother's bills. He wrote to some school official inquiring as to why his mother's bills haven't been paid. This is damning as it is written proof of accepting money he shouldn't have. Of course, this is more likely to negatively impact the school than Tunsil at this point.
none of these issues prevented teams from taking him before the pot incident and your chacertization of them is false. The real tradegy here is a society that forces people to take horrifying pain meds instead of pot, an actual healthy alternative and according to some research a cancer preventer. Beer is worse. Cigs are worse. Period.
Except..  
Modus Operandi : 5/2/2016 6:39 pm : link
Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.

It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.

That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
RE: Except..  
dust_bowl : 5/2/2016 7:24 pm : link
In comment 12941922 Modus Operandi said:
Quote:
Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.

It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.

That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
it is illegal to drink before the age of 21. Eli had a picture where he was underage wasted. Did he make mistakes? Sure. They are all minor and the Giants would have been a sb contender this year with him instead of Apple.
Lots of people missing the point  
ThatLimerickGuy : 5/2/2016 7:27 pm : link
This has nothing to do with weed.

Not every business owner is going to hire someone and pay them millions if they don't think they are reliable.

One team didn't care but I can't blame 12 others for passing.

If it was a continued history of him doing other stupid shit not weed but against nfl rules the same thing would have happened.

RE: Except..  
dust_bowl : 5/2/2016 7:29 pm : link
In comment 12941922 Modus Operandi said:
Quote:
Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.

It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.

That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
last I saw 80 percent of Americans have smoked pot including presidents. If you aren't smart enough to see that pot doesn't indicate anything about a person negative then you are both a square, a loser and likely socially inept.
Modiano is an idiot ...  
short lease : 5/2/2016 7:31 pm : link
he took what Gruden said which was a warning to future NFL'ers and "Translated" it for them.

There is nothing damaging to Tunsil in that quote. Sometimes I wonder if people start threads after they read just the headline of an article.
RE: People hating on Tunsil?  
UConn4523 : 5/2/2016 7:31 pm : link
In comment 12941872 Glover said:
Quote:
I saw someone called him a train wreck? Question his motivation after he gets paid? Take the side of his step dad who is suing him? He missed a lot of games? He took money from Ole Miss?

Where was all this before the bong video?
this guy got fucked over and all you suckers fueled the bullshit fire.
He is the most talented player in the draft and the most talented LT to come along in a long time. Teams like the Ravens, the Titans are the Giants make the same mistake you do. The Dolphins are glad you are afraid.


Haha, riiiight, everyone else's fault. Cry me a river, you and Tunsil.
80 percent seems  
Jimmy Googs : 5/2/2016 7:32 pm : link
high.

(see what i did there...)
The bottom line  
Earl the goat : 5/2/2016 7:46 pm : link
Is that you play by the rules your company (NFL) sets It's not his fault your fault Grudens fault social medias fault. If you want to be hired by a certain company or organization you play by their rules or suffer the consequences

Tunsil suffered the consequences. Lost millions and hopefully learned a life lesson. Now move on
RE: 80 percent seems  
dust_bowl : 5/2/2016 7:57 pm : link
In comment 12942018 Jimmy Googs said:
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high.

(see what i did there...)
lol nice
My thought would  
Joe in Knoxville : 5/2/2016 8:33 pm : link
be I doubt the general managers are watching jon gruden during the draft so I am pretty sure anything said on tv had little impact on what made teams pass on him.
Tunsil is owed an apology?  
EricJ : 5/2/2016 8:52 pm : link
this brain surgeon is about to enter the NFL draft with an opportunity to make millions and to be set for life. What does he do? He allows himself to be video taped smoking a bong. Despite that screw up, this guy STILL will make more $$ than 50% of the other NFL players in the league.

RE: RE: Except..  
Modus Operandi : 5/2/2016 9:01 pm : link
In comment 12942004 dust_bowl said:
Quote:
In comment 12941922 Modus Operandi said:


Quote:


Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.

It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.

That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.

last I saw 80 percent of Americans have smoked pot including presidents. If you aren't smart enough to see that pot doesn't indicate anything about a person negative then you are both a square, a loser and likely socially inept.


I actually support legalization of pot and would gladly partake if it didn't jeopardize my livelihood - particulally if there were millions of dollars at stake. Otherwise, I'd have to explain to my family why we can't pay the rent or eat.

If providing for my family makes me square or socially inept, then so be it.
RE: RE: RE: Except..  
dust_bowl : 5/2/2016 9:33 pm : link
In comment 12942112 Modus Operandi said:
Quote:
In comment 12942004 dust_bowl said:


Quote:


In comment 12941922 Modus Operandi said:


Quote:


Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.

It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.

That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.

last I saw 80 percent of Americans have smoked pot including presidents. If you aren't smart enough to see that pot doesn't indicate anything about a person negative then you are both a square, a loser and likely socially inept.



I actually support legalization of pot and would gladly partake if it didn't jeopardize my livelihood - particulally if there were millions of dollars at stake. Otherwise, I'd have to explain to my family why we can't pay the rent or eat.

If providing for my family makes me square or socially inept, then so be it.
dude he was 19. This your analogy is bogus. When I am applying to jobs I don't smoke. I pass the test. Then I smoke again. This kid passed his test too. Btw what the heck are you doing where smoking a bowl would threaten your livelihood?
Deeper  
dust_bowl : 5/2/2016 9:33 pm : link
In the box you go. Your judgement argument as morphed to nothing.
Modus  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/2/2016 9:36 pm : link
Your being trolled by a dupe, my friend. Just let him hang himself. He'll be gone eventually.
blahhh..  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/2/2016 9:36 pm : link
You're*
Thats easy for you to say..  
Modus Operandi : 5/2/2016 9:37 pm : link
You aren't the one investing millions and a high pick.

RE: Modiano is an idiot ...  
Cruzin : 5/2/2016 10:00 pm : link
In comment 12942013 short lease said:
Quote:
he took what Gruden said which was a warning to future NFL'ers and "Translated" it for them.

There is nothing damaging to Tunsil in that quote. Sometimes I wonder if people start threads after they read just the headline of an article.


Sometimes I wonder who wrote the book of love.

RE: RE: Except..  
Mason : 5/2/2016 10:28 pm : link
In comment 12941991 dust_bowl said:
Quote:
In comment 12941922 Modus Operandi said:


it is illegal to drink before the age of 21. Eli had a picture where he was underage wasted. Did he make mistakes? Sure. They are all minor and the Giants would have been a sb contender this year with him instead of Apple.


Um... just to clear this up. In the majority of the United Sates, it's not illegal to drink while underage. It is illegal to sell alcohol to minors or to be paid to purchase alcohol for minors.

Serving alcohol to minors at a party is a no no.

Sharing the first beer with your teenage son while watching a game not illegal.

Wanted to clear this up. Didn't want any fathers out there sweating that detectives were coming to pick them up for sharing father and son time.
Not arguing but just curious  
steve in ky : 5/2/2016 10:34 pm : link
Is there really a legal distinction between the two?

Quote:
Serving alcohol to minors at a party is a no no.

Sharing the first beer with your teenage son while watching a game not illegal.


Now I know in practicle terms nobody is getting charged for sharing a beer with their son but I'm not so sure there is a legal distinction between "serving" and"sharing".
Maybe he didn't  
SomeFan : 5/2/2016 11:26 pm : link
inhale.
If an NFL team Draft War Room  
Hampton27 : 5/2/2016 11:30 pm : link
is watching ESPN Draft coverage, while the draft is ongoing, and making decisions based on comments made by commentators who are paid to give their opinion, then I'm afraid I don't feel sorry for them and they are bozos. I'm afraid I could make up my own opinion on the matter without outside influence, and I'm sure thsse professionals could do so as well.
What a crock of BS.  
j_rud : 5/2/2016 11:45 pm : link
Hacked social media or not, Tunsil put himself in this position by making those choices. I guess Mayock and Gruden made Tunsil admit he took money during a live press conference. Character assassination? Gimme a break. If there was an assassination then Tunsil was holding the gun to his own head.
RE: Not arguing but just curious  
Cruzin : 5/3/2016 7:52 am : link
In comment 12942210 steve in ky said:
Quote:
Is there really a legal distinction between the two?



Quote:


Serving alcohol to minors at a party is a no no.

Sharing the first beer with your teenage son while watching a game not illegal.



Now I know in practicle terms nobody is getting charged for sharing a beer with their son but I'm not so sure there is a legal distinction between "serving" and"sharing".


In some states underage kids are allowed to drink with a parent or legal guardian present. For instance, if you throw a party for 17 and 18 year olds, the kids that brought their parents can drink.

I'm not condoning sharing a first beer with your son or daughter but in some cases that is remembered as a bonding event by the children and they try to emulate that later in life. Whether or not the alcoholic gene is passed down or dependency is acquired progressively I think greater discrepancy should be taken Nevadans than how a simple beer has been treated in the past.
Nevadans? Where did that come from?  
Cruzin : 5/3/2016 7:56 am : link

Should have been "now"
gotta lay off the Irish coffee when proof reading.
I do feel sympathy for Tunsil,  
Bill L : 5/3/2016 8:17 am : link
I would be horrified right now to be embarrassed in front of even one of my family or friends. I'd probably kill myself if it happened in front of the entire country. And I'm not 19 or 20. My goodness. I would be shattered if the biggest dream of my life came crumbling down in moments in front of me. Now, that did not happen to him; he still plays for an nfl team, but while it was going on, it must have been horrendous. Further, he cost himself a shitload of money and while he is still going to make a shitload of money, I'm venal enough to know that the shitload lost would be painful for me. Plus, while for me it's just greed, kids nowadays (or maybe many people since the beginning of time) intricately link their self-worth and personal value/reputation/contributions to the amount they make or have (as opposed to what you can buy). He's a kid and I feel sorry for him.

Now, that's not to say that Tunsil, like everyone else, should not be accountable for his choices. And it's not having twitter or Facebook. It's the underlying behavior. I am most definitely not sympathetic to that. Further, he's a D1 scholar-athlete. He's not supposed to do "what every other 18-year old does". He's more accountable. I think almost every D1 athlete knows that their lives are not normal, whether it's from the perspective of time management, nutrition, and damaging night time activities. All of them make sacrifices for their sport and, in his case, for his future. It's not even athletes. I recall from my college days, that I was considering a career in something fairly sensitive. I had a professor tell our class that to be considered for the position you had to pass an intense background check and there was nothing that could not be found out about you and everything could preclude you from being hired. He knew several people who attended a party where pot was smoked (this was the mid-70's) but did not used, and were removed from any hiring lists (this was for FBI positions). From that day forward most of us modified our behavior. Why? Because there was something more at stake than just doing what every other college kid did. Likewise, Tunsil, like all other nfl prospects, knows the bigger picture.

WRT to the underlying offense...well, there were several and that raises a flag for teams. It's not crazy to think that teams, who commit tons of money and for many a good portion of their future success, on high picks to be risk averse. That's smart business. But in the main, I think many people are focused on the video...wait, not the video, but the fact that he was smoking... and I think people are projecting. They are using their own views of pot (and more likely whether or not they themselves partake) to to criticize decisions made by team who are looking more globally at Tunsil.
RE: RE: Except..  
jcn56 : 5/3/2016 8:21 am : link
In comment 12942004 dust_bowl said:
Quote:
In comment 12941922 Modus Operandi said:


Quote:


Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.

It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.

That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.

last I saw 80 percent of Americans have smoked pot including presidents. If you aren't smart enough to see that pot doesn't indicate anything about a person negative then you are both a square, a loser and likely socially inept.


Says the grown man who has repulsed enough people that he has to continue creating one new identity after another after he gets booted from here?

Well, you'd know socially inept...
RE: I do feel sympathy for Tunsil,  
Cruzin : 5/3/2016 9:12 am : link
In comment 12942361 Bill L said:
Quote:
I would be horrified right now to be embarrassed in front of even one of my family or friends. I'd probably kill myself if it happened in front of the entire country. And I'm not 19 or 20. My goodness. I would be shattered if the biggest dream of my life came crumbling down in moments in front of me. Now, that did not happen to him; he still plays for an nfl team, but while it was going on, it must have been horrendous. Further, he cost himself a shitload of money and while he is still going to make a shitload of money, I'm venal enough to know that the shitload lost would be painful for me. Plus, while for me it's just greed, kids nowadays (or maybe many people since the beginning of time) intricately link their self-worth and personal value/reputation/contributions to the amount they make or have (as opposed to what you can buy). He's a kid and I feel sorry for him.

Now, that's not to say that Tunsil, like everyone else, should not be accountable for his choices. And it's not having twitter or Facebook. It's the underlying behavior. I am most definitely not sympathetic to that. Further, he's a D1 scholar-athlete. He's not supposed to do "what every other 18-year old does". He's more accountable. I think almost every D1 athlete knows that their lives are not normal, whether it's from the perspective of time management, nutrition, and damaging night time activities. All of them make sacrifices for their sport and, in his case, for his future. It's not even athletes. I recall from my college days, that I was considering a career in something fairly sensitive. I had a professor tell our class that to be considered for the position you had to pass an intense background check and there was nothing that could not be found out about you and everything could preclude you from being hired. He knew several people who attended a party where pot was smoked (this was the mid-70's) but did not used, and were removed from any hiring lists (this was for FBI positions). From that day forward most of us modified our behavior. Why? Because there was something more at stake than just doing what every other college kid did. Likewise, Tunsil, like all other nfl prospects, knows the bigger picture.

WRT to the underlying offense...well, there were several and that raises a flag for teams. It's not crazy to think that teams, who commit tons of money and for many a good portion of their future success, on high picks to be risk averse. That's smart business. But in the main, I think many people are focused on the video...wait, not the video, but the fact that he was smoking... and I think people are projecting. They are using their own views of pot (and more likely whether or not they themselves partake) to to criticize decisions made by team who are looking more globally at Tunsil.


You'd kill yourself if you were embarrassed in front of the who,e country? You mean a country full of Facebook and Twitter dweebs? A country full of brain dead shells that think "Cats" is musical genius? A country that watched "Survivir" in theaters together for ten years?

C'mon Man!

Serious lack of intestinal fortitude going on here Bill, I don't believe it for a minute. That's just you caving in to what your TV tells you your image should be. It's an illusion Bill, what people think of you shouldn't dictate your self worth. As long as you're comfortable that you didn't deliberately try to harm someone, your self worth is dictated by what's in your heart, not in your pocket.

Your family will love you no matter what, if you're honest. Have a little faith in the people that love you, dig deeper than the cosmetic surface. This wouldn't have happened to you anyway, you're way too paranoid to be hitting on a bong, so you can relax.
RE: How about not commenting at all  
dg901 : 5/3/2016 9:17 am : link
In comment 12941606 RB^2 said:
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until all the facts are known? That's just a good life lesson in general.

Enough, Tunsil cost himself millions. First, by having the picture taken, second, having it on his twitter account and third, his inability to choose the right people to hang with.
In regard to taking money from a coach, why shouldn't he. The colleges and universities provide these kids with scholarships and expect them to adhere to a "serf" position. How much are these schools making off these kids? Why can the coaches and staff in college ball make millions and the athletes make nothing?
Gruden wasn't wrong  
TheShade : 5/3/2016 10:20 pm : link
He was right in saying that kids today live on social media and its their own fault for crap like Tunsil's video getting out.

Gruden doesn't owe Tunsil anything. If a video like this gets out and nobody knew anything about it, that's on Tunsil for not being honest about it to begin with. it can't be a surprise to him, because he allowed the video to be taken.
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