When a player is unfairly condemned after the draft, it might impact a player's image. When it happens during the draft, it can impact their wallet. While Tunsil's agent was on the phone furiously calling teams to tell them the bong picture "is not who he is," Gruden was telling teams and the world not to draft him.
At minimum, Gruden owes Tunsil an apology. At maximum, compensation.
After the 6th pick was made, Gruden got warmed up by blaming Tunsil and Twitter instead of the hacker.
"This whole thing makes me sick. This whole social media scene makes me sick." Gruden said on the broadcast. "If you're a young kid out there, put away your Twitter accounts, all right, if you want to be a pro football player. Somebody's gonna hack your account." Lonk - ( New Window )
Laremy Tunsil, but was scared off because of Jon Gruden's opinion? I'm not in the habit of demonizing weed smokers, but what Tunsil did was incredibly stupid and HE cost HIMSELF. He's got no one to blame but himself.
All that being said, I still would've taken him at 10.
so be it. That's probably a reasonable opinion. But the notion that he was somehow responsible for the slide in his draft spot is more than a little silly.
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
was tough but fair. He did walk it back a bit later and said he felt bad about it, and said he did feel some sympathy for Tunsil. But the main thing is that actions have consequences, and I think that's what both men were talking about.
Gruden, nor Mayock, owes Tunsil anything. Tunsil is a big boy, he can handle the consequences of his mistakes. And further, it was the hacker that leaked it.
Gruden's job is to give opinions and color, in this case, for the draft. He did his job.
I did not agree with ESPN, while Tunsil was still on the board, blasting the image of Tunsil in the bong-mask. I thought that was classless. They could've talked about it and at least held on to the image until after it was drafted.
video or the act that I found weird. Tunsil's actions and words after the fact have been just, not good. "I'm just hear to play football" "I just wanna talk about the Dolphins." C'mon man...show some humility at least.
didn't drop only because teams learned he was smoking marijuana.
Tunsil dropped mostly because he was stupid enough to knowingly allow himself to be filmed while taking bong hits out of a gas mask.
I'm sick of people making this an argument that the league is too strict when it comes to weed. The league is too strict when it comes to weed in the sense that the punishments for positive marijuana tests are too much. But in the case of Tunsil, we're not arguing about a test.
NFL teams -- employers, in this case -- would like to know the player they're investing in has a good head on their shoulders. Even if it was 4 or 6 or 8 years ago, Tunsil was still a mightily talented football player. He knew that as he looked into a camera, which is way more concerning than any positive weed test.
The league isn't remotely tough when it comes to weed.
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
Ummm...illegally going into someone else's account and posting or making public a private video would be wrong 100 out of 100 times.
Fault falls to Tunsil for his actions "2 years prior", but also for the criminal who made this public.
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
what a square you are. The kid took a bong hit two years ago. You ever take a bong hit? Most Americans have. Mayock should focus his anger on the nfl who actively hides the realities of concussions by various means. Come on
video or the act that I found weird. Tunsil's actions and words after the fact have been just, not good. "I'm just hear to play football" "I just wanna talk about the Dolphins." C'mon man...show some humility at least.
He tried that and end up implicating himself on a pay to play violation.
Like many people do at his age he didn't use good judgment. Most get away with it but some don't and he is one that didn't as it came back to bite him in the rear. Hard to hold anyone else responsible for that.
He still still is going to make a lot of money and if he learns from this and keeps his head on straight going forward he will have a good chance of making back the money he cost himself many times over.
That Tunsil illegally took money from a booster and got caught and suspended. He's also involved in a lawsuit where he physically fought his stepfather. Now this idiotic weed thing? It's icing on the cake, not the reason he was passed over. It shows a pattern of piss poor decision making, I wouldn't hire him, would you?
who think that video is closer to 6 months old than 2 years, but nevertheless, it isn't the pot smoking that teams dropped him for, it was another instance of poor judgment or decision making
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
Ummm...illegally going into someone else's account and posting or making public a private video would be wrong 100 out of 100 times.
Fault falls to Tunsil for his actions "2 years prior", but also for the criminal who made this public.
So Tunsil can sue the hacker. Good luck with that. If the hacker found child porn on his phone would you feel the same way?
It's Tunsil's fault he dropped. Period.
and he dropped to 13, so it's not like a La'el Collins situation either - where if that guy got hosed it's a different story (not sure all the details ever came out there).
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
Those dam hackers, now they're making people smoke dope.
A lot about the kid. The NYG have pretty good access in inside info at Ole Miss. They passed for a reason. There were several scouting reports prior to the draft that were less than flattering in terms of on field performance (on this board). He apparently did not run at combine so as to be "fresh: for on field. Also was injured and missed a fair amout of time.
I have no problem with the Giants passing. How motivated will he be once he gets paid?
If you buy the Twitter hack story, then the hacker is the only person who may him anything. The pictures and video are him. This was enough to drop him.
I like Apple a lot, I actually love our draft. We need a RT in the worst way, I pray we are smart enough and not stubborn enough to realize that and trade for davis or pry someone else loose. I think we are on the precipice of having our best year in many a season. On Tunsil, out of a possible 35 games he has missed 6 or 7 to injury..slight red flag. Admitting he took money from a coach. Not seemingly overly bright. The coach did nothing wrong btw. NCAA is pathetic Tunsil should have kept his mouth shut and protected the coaches that helped him pay his moms electric bill. I am trying to say I am not so furious Giants passed on him but...but. A 18-21 year old kid taking a Bong Hit? All those holier than thou fucking pricks on tv. I have pulled probably 1000..no way..much more 10000 bong hits. I have a nice job, a family 2 kids. I am an active member of my community and many boards. I still smoke right now. Just did on saturday. Fuck you and your 1940s bullshit. Pot is not even a drug. It does nothing to enhance your ability to play a sport, it does not make you overly agressive at all. It makes you chill and thats about it. If we passed on him due to that video? Shame on us. Its going to be legal soon how about "who cares that a college kid pulled a hit" I don't get it. Its not coke or crack or heroin, There is no gateway drug bullshit. We better have not passed on him due to that video.
I like Apple a lot, I actually love our draft. We need a RT in the worst way, I pray we are smart enough and not stubborn enough to realize that and trade for davis or pry someone else loose. I think we are on the precipice of having our best year in many a season. On Tunsil, out of a possible 35 games he has missed 6 or 7 to injury..slight red flag. Admitting he took money from a coach. Not seemingly overly bright. The coach did nothing wrong btw. NCAA is pathetic Tunsil should have kept his mouth shut and protected the coaches that helped him pay his moms electric bill. I am trying to say I am not so furious Giants passed on him but...but. A 18-21 year old kid taking a Bong Hit? All those holier than thou fucking pricks on tv. I have pulled probably 1000..no way..much more 10000 bong hits. I have a nice job, a family 2 kids. I am an active member of my community and many boards. I still smoke right now. Just did on saturday. Fuck you and your 1940s bullshit. Pot is not even a drug. It does nothing to enhance your ability to play a sport, it does not make you overly agressive at all. It makes you chill and thats about it. If we passed on him due to that video? Shame on us. Its going to be legal soon how about "who cares that a college kid pulled a hit" I don't get it. Its not coke or crack or heroin, There is no gateway drug bullshit. We better have not passed on him due to that video.
The point in passing on Tunsil sailed way over your head.
He is alleged (by his own teammate) to be using synthetic marijuana. He has questions about his strength, conditioning, work ethic, and ability to sustain blocks. There is plenty to make him drop.
Josh Gordon basically hasn't played in 2 seasons not because he's a bad guy but because he literally has zero ability to show good judgement. What's worse - he's never the one to blame when something happens to him. This notion that Tunsil is somehow clean of all blame for the multitude of issues he's facing - is just classic excuse making BS.
Nothing sailed over my head as usual your posts are cryptic and meant to be mean spirited. Judgement...the kid is 21. This video was taken sometime when the kid was 19,20 or 21. How about you using judgement and realizing it is a college kid taking a bong hit. Unbelievable.
He is playing football. Not running for president or flying an airplane. He didn't hit a woman, steal anything or use homophobic slurs. Love Apple, love our draft. Legalize the stuff and make this a non issue for the next kid.
Nothing sailed over my head as usual your posts are cryptic and meant to be mean spirited. Judgement...the kid is 21. This video was taken sometime when the kid was 19,20 or 21. How about you using judgement and realizing it is a college kid taking a bong hit. Unbelievable.
He is playing football. Not running for president or flying an airplane. He didn't hit a woman, steal anything or use homophobic slurs. Love Apple, love our draft. Legalize the stuff and make this a non issue for the next kid.
You realize Tunsil isn't like...a normal college kid right? He's a professional, with a business investing millions of dollars into his decision making. Do you seriously not understand the difference?
It's his judgement. This is a kid who 1) allowed himself to be videotaped smoking from a bong, 2) took $ from an Ole Miss coach, 3) is being sued by his step-father for assault, & 4) was with Nkemdiche when he fell out of a hotel window.
This isn't one incident. This is a pattern of questionable decision making.
Nothing sailed over my head as usual your posts are cryptic and meant to be mean spirited. Judgement...the kid is 21. This video was taken sometime when the kid was 19,20 or 21. How about you using judgement and realizing it is a college kid taking a bong hit. Unbelievable.
He is playing football. Not running for president or flying an airplane. He didn't hit a woman, steal anything or use homophobic slurs. Love Apple, love our draft. Legalize the stuff and make this a non issue for the next kid.
What does all that matter? It goes against the rules of the NFL regardless of you disagreeing with them or not. If he's a suspension waiting to happen what GM wouldn't take that into consideration? Add in the lawsuit, taking money, and whatever else, you have several scenarios that all represent poor judgement.
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
I've been reading BBI since 2005 and this honestly might be the most moronic post I've ever read. So the hacker isn't at fault? I really can't comprehend how illogical your train of thought is. So you have NEVER emailed something to someone that you might be embarrassed for the whole world to find out? Someone ILLEGALLY signed onto this guy's social media account and posted this stuff. If you want to say that Tunsil should have never done that or allowed it to be photographed, I agree. But wow.
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
I've been reading BBI since 2005 and this honestly might be the most moronic post I've ever read. So the hacker isn't at fault? I really can't comprehend how illogical your train of thought is. So you have NEVER emailed something to someone that you might be embarrassed for the whole world to find out? Someone ILLEGALLY signed onto this guy's social media account and posted this stuff. If you want to say that Tunsil should have never done that or allowed it to be photographed, I agree. But wow.
If I allow myself to be photographed or videotaped doing something illegal, and that winds up, no matter how, becoming public, then no I will not blame someone else for my actions becoming public.
Let me guess, you're in your 20's and need safe spaces and got participation trophies your whole life?
if so, I can see why you wouldn't understand accountability and need to continually find outlets for blame instead of just accepting responsibility like a grown up.
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
I've been reading BBI since 2005 and this honestly might be the most moronic post I've ever read. So the hacker isn't at fault? I really can't comprehend how illogical your train of thought is. So you have NEVER emailed something to someone that you might be embarrassed for the whole world to find out? Someone ILLEGALLY signed onto this guy's social media account and posted this stuff. If you want to say that Tunsil should have never done that or allowed it to be photographed, I agree. But wow.
If I allow myself to be photographed or videotaped doing something illegal, and that winds up, no matter how, becoming public, then no I will not blame someone else for my actions becoming public.
Let me guess, you're in your 20's and need safe spaces and got participation trophies your whole life?
if so, I can see why you wouldn't understand accountability and need to continually find outlets for blame instead of just accepting responsibility like a grown up.
It's probably even worse than this - this idiot probably had that video on his phone, and someone managed to scoop it up when he wasn't looking and post it online.
until all the facts are known? That's just a good life lesson in general.
Maybe instead of lecturing others you can refrain from commenting. That might be a good life lesson for you.
This is a message board not a courtroom and the picture speaks for itself and the commentary was mostly around the picture even existing, which is mostly why he dropped.
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That Tunsil illegally took money from a booster and got caught and suspended. He's also involved in a lawsuit where he physically fought his stepfather. Now this idiotic weed thing? It's icing on the cake, not the reason he was passed over. It shows a pattern of piss poor decision making, I wouldn't hire him, would you?
I won't defend anything the kid has done, or has been alleged to have done.
I'll say this, though. Dealing with a lot of high school boys in our AAU basketball program, several of whom come from conditions that sometimes make me stare in disbelief at how the kids even manage a smile on their faces at times, I can understand how it would be extremely, extremely difficult to turn down money from someone who wanted to offer it. Some of these kids have nothing, and are thin because they literally don't eat much food. Tunsil made that mistake, but I place that one on a sliding scale, personally.
I'm curious about why he physically fought the step-father. Might make me feel one way or another to know the reasons such a thing happened. Another one of our boys moved into the mom's house with the mom last fall. The guy became abusive. The kid (a sophomore) stepped in between. No blows, but pushing and shoving ... yadda yadda yadda, the boyfriend booted them both and they stayed in the attic of a teammate's family from October to last month.
I said this isn't about smoking pot - it is about poor judgment and decisions.
As usual, you don't make any sense.
how was your judgement at 19? You must hate bush he was an alcoholic and Coke head. You must hate Hillary. She was a pothead and campaigned for a segregationist. The issue with the money he took was 300 bucks to pay his mothers electric and apparently he beat his step father up to protect his mother.
Further, before Eli got drafted a picture showed him wasted at age 19. I mean obliterated. That's illegal. Guess you hate his judgement too.
I said this isn't about smoking pot - it is about poor judgment and decisions.
As usual, you don't make any sense.
how was your judgement at 19? You must hate bush he was an alcoholic and Coke head. You must hate Hillary. She was a pothead and campaigned for a segregationist. The issue with the money he took was 300 bucks to pay his mothers electric and apparently he beat his step father up to protect his mother.
Further, before Eli got drafted a picture showed him wasted at age 19. I mean obliterated. That's illegal. Guess you hate his judgement too.
You are a joke.
MY friend we are two pea's in a pod. I could not agree with your post more. Very well said.
those are fantastically bad comparisons. Bravo sir.
yea they are bad. One was a president. The other a senator and likely president. And as for Eli it's worse cause alcohol is more addictive and more harmful. These factors mitigate Tunsil smoking a bong in comparison. There is no debate. If you object to Tunsil you must of objected to Eli, especially considering at that time the rookie pay scales were higher.
1) This is not simply about a picture with a bong.
2) That said, the bong is also attached to a gas mask to enhance the high, which makes it a little worse.
3) His own teammate said he uses synthetic marijuana, which is a much larger concern.
4) He has other character issues and on field issues.
5) As I understand it, he didn't take money to pay his mother's bills. He wrote to some school official inquiring as to why his mother's bills haven't been paid. This is damning as it is written proof of accepting money he shouldn't have. Of course, this is more likely to negatively impact the school than Tunsil at this point.
I said this isn't about smoking pot - it is about poor judgment and decisions.
As usual, you don't make any sense.
how was your judgement at 19? You must hate bush he was an alcoholic and Coke head. You must hate Hillary. She was a pothead and campaigned for a segregationist. The issue with the money he took was 300 bucks to pay his mothers electric and apparently he beat his step father up to protect his mother.
Further, before Eli got drafted a picture showed him wasted at age 19. I mean obliterated. That's illegal. Guess you hate his judgement too.
You are a joke.
MY friend we are two pea's in a pod. I could not agree with your post more. Very well said.
bluetothegrave must be one of dust-bowl's other handles - same writing style and same poor grammar...
It was an asinine response that also had no credibility on any level. His own response wasn't much better. And it doesn't really matter if his account was hacked. That is him in the video.
How could he owe Tunsil anything? He was doing what he was paid to do. It is no different than offering his opinion on any other draft prospect. Now, if he had made up drug accusations as the basis for his opinion, then you could be on to something. But, he commented in response, in part, to the video. He had other reasons for his opinion.
1. Isn't truth an absolute defense to any slander allegation? He DID smoke pot and he DID take money.
2. Deej can answer this, but is Tunsil a public figure? That would make it even harder for him to win.
3. Negative comments causing his draft stock to fall? If that's the sole basis, then every draft columnist would be liable anytime they said a player was slow, even though he ran a 5.9 40.
I saw someone called him a train wreck? Question his motivation after he gets paid? Take the side of his step dad who is suing him? He missed a lot of games? He took money from Ole Miss?
Where was all this before the bong video?
this guy got fucked over and all you suckers fueled the bullshit fire.
He is the most talented player in the draft and the most talented LT to come along in a long time. Teams like the Ravens, the Titans are the Giants make the same mistake you do. The Dolphins are glad you are afraid.
I saw someone called him a train wreck? Question his motivation after he gets paid? Take the side of his step dad who is suing him? He missed a lot of games? He took money from Ole Miss?
Where was all this before the bong video?
this guy got fucked over and all you suckers fueled the bullshit fire.
He is the most talented player in the draft and the most talented LT to come along in a long time. Teams like the Ravens, the Titans are the Giants make the same mistake you do. The Dolphins are glad you are afraid.
I screwed up, got called on it and so it is somebody else's fault. I'm stupid enough to video myself smoking pot through a gas mask and it is John Gruden's fault.
What GM do you think was watching John Gruden during the draft?
1) This is not simply about a picture with a bong.
2) That said, the bong is also attached to a gas mask to enhance the high, which makes it a little worse.
3) His own teammate said he uses synthetic marijuana, which is a much larger concern.
4) He has other character issues and on field issues.
5) As I understand it, he didn't take money to pay his mother's bills. He wrote to some school official inquiring as to why his mother's bills haven't been paid. This is damning as it is written proof of accepting money he shouldn't have. Of course, this is more likely to negatively impact the school than Tunsil at this point.
none of these issues prevented teams from taking him before the pot incident and your chacertization of them is false. The real tradegy here is a society that forces people to take horrifying pain meds instead of pot, an actual healthy alternative and according to some research a cancer preventer. Beer is worse. Cigs are worse. Period.
Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.
It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.
That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.
It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.
That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
it is illegal to drink before the age of 21. Eli had a picture where he was underage wasted. Did he make mistakes? Sure. They are all minor and the Giants would have been a sb contender this year with him instead of Apple.
Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.
It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.
That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
last I saw 80 percent of Americans have smoked pot including presidents. If you aren't smart enough to see that pot doesn't indicate anything about a person negative then you are both a square, a loser and likely socially inept.
I saw someone called him a train wreck? Question his motivation after he gets paid? Take the side of his step dad who is suing him? He missed a lot of games? He took money from Ole Miss?
Where was all this before the bong video?
this guy got fucked over and all you suckers fueled the bullshit fire.
He is the most talented player in the draft and the most talented LT to come along in a long time. Teams like the Ravens, the Titans are the Giants make the same mistake you do. The Dolphins are glad you are afraid.
Haha, riiiight, everyone else's fault. Cry me a river, you and Tunsil.
Is that you play by the rules your company (NFL) sets It's not his fault your fault Grudens fault social medias fault. If you want to be hired by a certain company or organization you play by their rules or suffer the consequences
Tunsil suffered the consequences. Lost millions and hopefully learned a life lesson. Now move on
be I doubt the general managers are watching jon gruden during the draft so I am pretty sure anything said on tv had little impact on what made teams pass on him.
this brain surgeon is about to enter the NFL draft with an opportunity to make millions and to be set for life. What does he do? He allows himself to be video taped smoking a bong. Despite that screw up, this guy STILL will make more $$ than 50% of the other NFL players in the league.
Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.
It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.
That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
last I saw 80 percent of Americans have smoked pot including presidents. If you aren't smart enough to see that pot doesn't indicate anything about a person negative then you are both a square, a loser and likely socially inept.
I actually support legalization of pot and would gladly partake if it didn't jeopardize my livelihood - particulally if there were millions of dollars at stake. Otherwise, I'd have to explain to my family why we can't pay the rent or eat.
If providing for my family makes me square or socially inept, then so be it.
Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.
It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.
That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
last I saw 80 percent of Americans have smoked pot including presidents. If you aren't smart enough to see that pot doesn't indicate anything about a person negative then you are both a square, a loser and likely socially inept.
I actually support legalization of pot and would gladly partake if it didn't jeopardize my livelihood - particulally if there were millions of dollars at stake. Otherwise, I'd have to explain to my family why we can't pay the rent or eat.
If providing for my family makes me square or socially inept, then so be it.
dude he was 19. This your analogy is bogus. When I am applying to jobs I don't smoke. I pass the test. Then I smoke again. This kid passed his test too. Btw what the heck are you doing where smoking a bowl would threaten your livelihood?
it is illegal to drink before the age of 21. Eli had a picture where he was underage wasted. Did he make mistakes? Sure. They are all minor and the Giants would have been a sb contender this year with him instead of Apple.
Um... just to clear this up. In the majority of the United Sates, it's not illegal to drink while underage. It is illegal to sell alcohol to minors or to be paid to purchase alcohol for minors.
Serving alcohol to minors at a party is a no no.
Sharing the first beer with your teenage son while watching a game not illegal.
Wanted to clear this up. Didn't want any fathers out there sweating that detectives were coming to pick them up for sharing father and son time.
Is there really a legal distinction between the two?
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Serving alcohol to minors at a party is a no no.
Sharing the first beer with your teenage son while watching a game not illegal.
Now I know in practicle terms nobody is getting charged for sharing a beer with their son but I'm not so sure there is a legal distinction between "serving" and"sharing".
is watching ESPN Draft coverage, while the draft is ongoing, and making decisions based on comments made by commentators who are paid to give their opinion, then I'm afraid I don't feel sorry for them and they are bozos. I'm afraid I could make up my own opinion on the matter without outside influence, and I'm sure thsse professionals could do so as well.
Hacked social media or not, Tunsil put himself in this position by making those choices. I guess Mayock and Gruden made Tunsil admit he took money during a live press conference. Character assassination? Gimme a break. If there was an assassination then Tunsil was holding the gun to his own head.
Is there really a legal distinction between the two?
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Serving alcohol to minors at a party is a no no.
Sharing the first beer with your teenage son while watching a game not illegal.
Now I know in practicle terms nobody is getting charged for sharing a beer with their son but I'm not so sure there is a legal distinction between "serving" and"sharing".
In some states underage kids are allowed to drink with a parent or legal guardian present. For instance, if you throw a party for 17 and 18 year olds, the kids that brought their parents can drink.
I'm not condoning sharing a first beer with your son or daughter but in some cases that is remembered as a bonding event by the children and they try to emulate that later in life. Whether or not the alcoholic gene is passed down or dependency is acquired progressively I think greater discrepancy should be taken Nevadans than how a simple beer has been treated in the past.
I would be horrified right now to be embarrassed in front of even one of my family or friends. I'd probably kill myself if it happened in front of the entire country. And I'm not 19 or 20. My goodness. I would be shattered if the biggest dream of my life came crumbling down in moments in front of me. Now, that did not happen to him; he still plays for an nfl team, but while it was going on, it must have been horrendous. Further, he cost himself a shitload of money and while he is still going to make a shitload of money, I'm venal enough to know that the shitload lost would be painful for me. Plus, while for me it's just greed, kids nowadays (or maybe many people since the beginning of time) intricately link their self-worth and personal value/reputation/contributions to the amount they make or have (as opposed to what you can buy). He's a kid and I feel sorry for him.
Now, that's not to say that Tunsil, like everyone else, should not be accountable for his choices. And it's not having twitter or Facebook. It's the underlying behavior. I am most definitely not sympathetic to that. Further, he's a D1 scholar-athlete. He's not supposed to do "what every other 18-year old does". He's more accountable. I think almost every D1 athlete knows that their lives are not normal, whether it's from the perspective of time management, nutrition, and damaging night time activities. All of them make sacrifices for their sport and, in his case, for his future. It's not even athletes. I recall from my college days, that I was considering a career in something fairly sensitive. I had a professor tell our class that to be considered for the position you had to pass an intense background check and there was nothing that could not be found out about you and everything could preclude you from being hired. He knew several people who attended a party where pot was smoked (this was the mid-70's) but did not used, and were removed from any hiring lists (this was for FBI positions). From that day forward most of us modified our behavior. Why? Because there was something more at stake than just doing what every other college kid did. Likewise, Tunsil, like all other nfl prospects, knows the bigger picture.
WRT to the underlying offense...well, there were several and that raises a flag for teams. It's not crazy to think that teams, who commit tons of money and for many a good portion of their future success, on high picks to be risk averse. That's smart business. But in the main, I think many people are focused on the video...wait, not the video, but the fact that he was smoking... and I think people are projecting. They are using their own views of pot (and more likely whether or not they themselves partake) to to criticize decisions made by team who are looking more globally at Tunsil.
Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.
It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.
That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
last I saw 80 percent of Americans have smoked pot including presidents. If you aren't smart enough to see that pot doesn't indicate anything about a person negative then you are both a square, a loser and likely socially inept.
Says the grown man who has repulsed enough people that he has to continue creating one new identity after another after he gets booted from here?
I would be horrified right now to be embarrassed in front of even one of my family or friends. I'd probably kill myself if it happened in front of the entire country. And I'm not 19 or 20. My goodness. I would be shattered if the biggest dream of my life came crumbling down in moments in front of me. Now, that did not happen to him; he still plays for an nfl team, but while it was going on, it must have been horrendous. Further, he cost himself a shitload of money and while he is still going to make a shitload of money, I'm venal enough to know that the shitload lost would be painful for me. Plus, while for me it's just greed, kids nowadays (or maybe many people since the beginning of time) intricately link their self-worth and personal value/reputation/contributions to the amount they make or have (as opposed to what you can buy). He's a kid and I feel sorry for him.
Now, that's not to say that Tunsil, like everyone else, should not be accountable for his choices. And it's not having twitter or Facebook. It's the underlying behavior. I am most definitely not sympathetic to that. Further, he's a D1 scholar-athlete. He's not supposed to do "what every other 18-year old does". He's more accountable. I think almost every D1 athlete knows that their lives are not normal, whether it's from the perspective of time management, nutrition, and damaging night time activities. All of them make sacrifices for their sport and, in his case, for his future. It's not even athletes. I recall from my college days, that I was considering a career in something fairly sensitive. I had a professor tell our class that to be considered for the position you had to pass an intense background check and there was nothing that could not be found out about you and everything could preclude you from being hired. He knew several people who attended a party where pot was smoked (this was the mid-70's) but did not used, and were removed from any hiring lists (this was for FBI positions). From that day forward most of us modified our behavior. Why? Because there was something more at stake than just doing what every other college kid did. Likewise, Tunsil, like all other nfl prospects, knows the bigger picture.
WRT to the underlying offense...well, there were several and that raises a flag for teams. It's not crazy to think that teams, who commit tons of money and for many a good portion of their future success, on high picks to be risk averse. That's smart business. But in the main, I think many people are focused on the video...wait, not the video, but the fact that he was smoking... and I think people are projecting. They are using their own views of pot (and more likely whether or not they themselves partake) to to criticize decisions made by team who are looking more globally at Tunsil.
You'd kill yourself if you were embarrassed in front of the who,e country? You mean a country full of Facebook and Twitter dweebs? A country full of brain dead shells that think "Cats" is musical genius? A country that watched "Survivir" in theaters together for ten years?
C'mon Man!
Serious lack of intestinal fortitude going on here Bill, I don't believe it for a minute. That's just you caving in to what your TV tells you your image should be. It's an illusion Bill, what people think of you shouldn't dictate your self worth. As long as you're comfortable that you didn't deliberately try to harm someone, your self worth is dictated by what's in your heart, not in your pocket.
Your family will love you no matter what, if you're honest. Have a little faith in the people that love you, dig deeper than the cosmetic surface. This wouldn't have happened to you anyway, you're way too paranoid to be hitting on a bong, so you can relax.
until all the facts are known? That's just a good life lesson in general.
Enough, Tunsil cost himself millions. First, by having the picture taken, second, having it on his twitter account and third, his inability to choose the right people to hang with.
In regard to taking money from a coach, why shouldn't he. The colleges and universities provide these kids with scholarships and expect them to adhere to a "serf" position. How much are these schools making off these kids? Why can the coaches and staff in college ball make millions and the athletes make nothing?
He was right in saying that kids today live on social media and its their own fault for crap like Tunsil's video getting out.
Gruden doesn't owe Tunsil anything. If a video like this gets out and nobody knew anything about it, that's on Tunsil for not being honest about it to begin with. it can't be a surprise to him, because he allowed the video to be taken.
After seeing the picture the Ravens removed Tunsil completely from their draft board.
All that being said, I still would've taken him at 10.
I agree with him.
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
Gruden, nor Mayock, owes Tunsil anything. Tunsil is a big boy, he can handle the consequences of his mistakes. And further, it was the hacker that leaked it.
Gruden's job is to give opinions and color, in this case, for the draft. He did his job.
I did not agree with ESPN, while Tunsil was still on the board, blasting the image of Tunsil in the bong-mask. I thought that was classless. They could've talked about it and at least held on to the image until after it was drafted.
Tunsil dropped mostly because he was stupid enough to knowingly allow himself to be filmed while taking bong hits out of a gas mask.
I'm sick of people making this an argument that the league is too strict when it comes to weed. The league is too strict when it comes to weed in the sense that the punishments for positive marijuana tests are too much. But in the case of Tunsil, we're not arguing about a test.
NFL teams -- employers, in this case -- would like to know the player they're investing in has a good head on their shoulders. Even if it was 4 or 6 or 8 years ago, Tunsil was still a mightily talented football player. He knew that as he looked into a camera, which is way more concerning than any positive weed test.
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
Ummm...illegally going into someone else's account and posting or making public a private video would be wrong 100 out of 100 times.
Fault falls to Tunsil for his actions "2 years prior", but also for the criminal who made this public.
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
He tried that and end up implicating himself on a pay to play violation.
He still still is going to make a lot of money and if he learns from this and keeps his head on straight going forward he will have a good chance of making back the money he cost himself many times over.
There a many people more deserving of our pity.
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holy shit take some f-ing accountability.
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
Ummm...illegally going into someone else's account and posting or making public a private video would be wrong 100 out of 100 times.
Fault falls to Tunsil for his actions "2 years prior", but also for the criminal who made this public.
So Tunsil can sue the hacker. Good luck with that. If the hacker found child porn on his phone would you feel the same way?
It's Tunsil's fault he dropped. Period.
and he dropped to 13, so it's not like a La'el Collins situation either - where if that guy got hosed it's a different story (not sure all the details ever came out there).
And that headline is a joke...nobody owes Tunsil anything.
NFL is a company built around family entertainment
do you really have a hard time grasping why the NFL doesn't want to embrace illegal drug use?
yes indeed
This kid is a trainwreck.
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
I have no problem with the Giants passing. How motivated will he be once he gets paid?
Most idiotic thing I have ever heard. I guess this Hulk Hogan ruling is making every lawyer think they have a lawsuit for loss of compensation
I don't see how what Gruden said was that wrong - and if anything, what they said about our 6th round pick being stupid sounds far worse.
The point in passing on Tunsil sailed way over your head.
How hard is it to realize this isn't about smoking pot - it is the use of bad judgment and poor decision-making, across the board in many areas?
How hard is it to realize this isn't about smoking pot - it is the use of bad judgment and poor decision-making, across the board in many areas?
As usual, you don't make any sense.
I don't care about the pot, but his poor judgement is the crux of everything and why he fell. Its not that hard to understand.
He is playing football. Not running for president or flying an airplane. He didn't hit a woman, steal anything or use homophobic slurs. Love Apple, love our draft. Legalize the stuff and make this a non issue for the next kid.
I thought the pick was funny, I don't care about the pot, but the stupid bothers me.
He is playing football. Not running for president or flying an airplane. He didn't hit a woman, steal anything or use homophobic slurs. Love Apple, love our draft. Legalize the stuff and make this a non issue for the next kid.
You realize Tunsil isn't like...a normal college kid right? He's a professional, with a business investing millions of dollars into his decision making. Do you seriously not understand the difference?
This isn't one incident. This is a pattern of questionable decision making.
He is playing football. Not running for president or flying an airplane. He didn't hit a woman, steal anything or use homophobic slurs. Love Apple, love our draft. Legalize the stuff and make this a non issue for the next kid.
What does all that matter? It goes against the rules of the NFL regardless of you disagreeing with them or not. If he's a suspension waiting to happen what GM wouldn't take that into consideration? Add in the lawsuit, taking money, and whatever else, you have several scenarios that all represent poor judgement.
It appears some people lack the judgment to understand that the larger issue is about his poor judgment.
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
I've been reading BBI since 2005 and this honestly might be the most moronic post I've ever read. So the hacker isn't at fault? I really can't comprehend how illogical your train of thought is. So you have NEVER emailed something to someone that you might be embarrassed for the whole world to find out? Someone ILLEGALLY signed onto this guy's social media account and posted this stuff. If you want to say that Tunsil should have never done that or allowed it to be photographed, I agree. But wow.
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holy shit take some f-ing accountability.
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
I've been reading BBI since 2005 and this honestly might be the most moronic post I've ever read. So the hacker isn't at fault? I really can't comprehend how illogical your train of thought is. So you have NEVER emailed something to someone that you might be embarrassed for the whole world to find out? Someone ILLEGALLY signed onto this guy's social media account and posted this stuff. If you want to say that Tunsil should have never done that or allowed it to be photographed, I agree. But wow.
If I allow myself to be photographed or videotaped doing something illegal, and that winds up, no matter how, becoming public, then no I will not blame someone else for my actions becoming public.
Let me guess, you're in your 20's and need safe spaces and got participation trophies your whole life?
if so, I can see why you wouldn't understand accountability and need to continually find outlets for blame instead of just accepting responsibility like a grown up.
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holy shit take some f-ing accountability.
this picture is Tunsil right? Teams reported to people like Mayock and Gruden seeing this picture changed their evaluation of Tunsil.
Blame Tunsil. If you think there's is nothing wrong with this picture (it was allegedly from a couple years ago blame the NFL teams) but unless the NFL changes their marijuana policy this picture is alarming. and I wouldn't be that shocked if the NFL places him in step 1 drug program from day 1.
I've been reading BBI since 2005 and this honestly might be the most moronic post I've ever read. So the hacker isn't at fault? I really can't comprehend how illogical your train of thought is. So you have NEVER emailed something to someone that you might be embarrassed for the whole world to find out? Someone ILLEGALLY signed onto this guy's social media account and posted this stuff. If you want to say that Tunsil should have never done that or allowed it to be photographed, I agree. But wow.
If I allow myself to be photographed or videotaped doing something illegal, and that winds up, no matter how, becoming public, then no I will not blame someone else for my actions becoming public.
Let me guess, you're in your 20's and need safe spaces and got participation trophies your whole life?
if so, I can see why you wouldn't understand accountability and need to continually find outlets for blame instead of just accepting responsibility like a grown up.
It's probably even worse than this - this idiot probably had that video on his phone, and someone managed to scoop it up when he wasn't looking and post it online.
Yeah, it was all the "hackers" fault.
Maybe instead of lecturing others you can refrain from commenting. That might be a good life lesson for you.
This is a message board not a courtroom and the picture speaks for itself and the commentary was mostly around the picture even existing, which is mostly why he dropped.
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Ravens took Tunsil OFF their board after that video, member of organization tells me. OFF.
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what other facts are you waiting for?
I won't defend anything the kid has done, or has been alleged to have done.
I'll say this, though. Dealing with a lot of high school boys in our AAU basketball program, several of whom come from conditions that sometimes make me stare in disbelief at how the kids even manage a smile on their faces at times, I can understand how it would be extremely, extremely difficult to turn down money from someone who wanted to offer it. Some of these kids have nothing, and are thin because they literally don't eat much food. Tunsil made that mistake, but I place that one on a sliding scale, personally.
I'm curious about why he physically fought the step-father. Might make me feel one way or another to know the reasons such a thing happened. Another one of our boys moved into the mom's house with the mom last fall. The guy became abusive. The kid (a sophomore) stepped in between. No blows, but pushing and shoving ... yadda yadda yadda, the boyfriend booted them both and they stayed in the attic of a teammate's family from October to last month.
The gas mask? I got nuthin'. Dumb ass.
moved into the mom's boyfriend's house with the mom ...
I thought the pick was funny, I don't care about the pot, but the stupid bothers me.
As usual, you don't make any sense.
Further, before Eli got drafted a picture showed him wasted at age 19. I mean obliterated. That's illegal. Guess you hate his judgement too.
You are a joke.
You intentionally don't get it. I'll be the joke, because you are just a fucking punchline.
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I said this isn't about smoking pot - it is about poor judgment and decisions.
As usual, you don't make any sense.
how was your judgement at 19? You must hate bush he was an alcoholic and Coke head. You must hate Hillary. She was a pothead and campaigned for a segregationist. The issue with the money he took was 300 bucks to pay his mothers electric and apparently he beat his step father up to protect his mother.
Further, before Eli got drafted a picture showed him wasted at age 19. I mean obliterated. That's illegal. Guess you hate his judgement too.
You are a joke.
MY friend we are two pea's in a pod. I could not agree with your post more. Very well said.
2) That said, the bong is also attached to a gas mask to enhance the high, which makes it a little worse.
3) His own teammate said he uses synthetic marijuana, which is a much larger concern.
4) He has other character issues and on field issues.
5) As I understand it, he didn't take money to pay his mother's bills. He wrote to some school official inquiring as to why his mother's bills haven't been paid. This is damning as it is written proof of accepting money he shouldn't have. Of course, this is more likely to negatively impact the school than Tunsil at this point.
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I said this isn't about smoking pot - it is about poor judgment and decisions.
As usual, you don't make any sense.
how was your judgement at 19? You must hate bush he was an alcoholic and Coke head. You must hate Hillary. She was a pothead and campaigned for a segregationist. The issue with the money he took was 300 bucks to pay his mothers electric and apparently he beat his step father up to protect his mother.
Further, before Eli got drafted a picture showed him wasted at age 19. I mean obliterated. That's illegal. Guess you hate his judgement too.
You are a joke.
MY friend we are two pea's in a pod. I could not agree with your post more. Very well said.
bluetothegrave must be one of dust-bowl's other handles - same writing style and same poor grammar...
2. Deej can answer this, but is Tunsil a public figure? That would make it even harder for him to win.
3. Negative comments causing his draft stock to fall? If that's the sole basis, then every draft columnist would be liable anytime they said a player was slow, even though he ran a 5.9 40.
Utterly ridiculous.
Where was all this before the bong video?
this guy got fucked over and all you suckers fueled the bullshit fire.
He is the most talented player in the draft and the most talented LT to come along in a long time. Teams like the Ravens, the Titans are the Giants make the same mistake you do. The Dolphins are glad you are afraid.
Where was all this before the bong video?
this guy got fucked over and all you suckers fueled the bullshit fire.
He is the most talented player in the draft and the most talented LT to come along in a long time. Teams like the Ravens, the Titans are the Giants make the same mistake you do. The Dolphins are glad you are afraid.
What GM do you think was watching John Gruden during the draft?
2) That said, the bong is also attached to a gas mask to enhance the high, which makes it a little worse.
3) His own teammate said he uses synthetic marijuana, which is a much larger concern.
4) He has other character issues and on field issues.
5) As I understand it, he didn't take money to pay his mother's bills. He wrote to some school official inquiring as to why his mother's bills haven't been paid. This is damning as it is written proof of accepting money he shouldn't have. Of course, this is more likely to negatively impact the school than Tunsil at this point.
It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.
That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.
That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
Not every business owner is going to hire someone and pay them millions if they don't think they are reliable.
One team didn't care but I can't blame 12 others for passing.
If it was a continued history of him doing other stupid shit not weed but against nfl rules the same thing would have happened.
It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.
That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
There is nothing damaging to Tunsil in that quote. Sometimes I wonder if people start threads after they read just the headline of an article.
Where was all this before the bong video?
this guy got fucked over and all you suckers fueled the bullshit fire.
He is the most talented player in the draft and the most talented LT to come along in a long time. Teams like the Ravens, the Titans are the Giants make the same mistake you do. The Dolphins are glad you are afraid.
Haha, riiiight, everyone else's fault. Cry me a river, you and Tunsil.
(see what i did there...)
Tunsil suffered the consequences. Lost millions and hopefully learned a life lesson. Now move on
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Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.
It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.
That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
last I saw 80 percent of Americans have smoked pot including presidents. If you aren't smart enough to see that pot doesn't indicate anything about a person negative then you are both a square, a loser and likely socially inept.
I actually support legalization of pot and would gladly partake if it didn't jeopardize my livelihood - particulally if there were millions of dollars at stake. Otherwise, I'd have to explain to my family why we can't pay the rent or eat.
If providing for my family makes me square or socially inept, then so be it.
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Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.
It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.
That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
last I saw 80 percent of Americans have smoked pot including presidents. If you aren't smart enough to see that pot doesn't indicate anything about a person negative then you are both a square, a loser and likely socially inept.
I actually support legalization of pot and would gladly partake if it didn't jeopardize my livelihood - particulally if there were millions of dollars at stake. Otherwise, I'd have to explain to my family why we can't pay the rent or eat.
If providing for my family makes me square or socially inept, then so be it.
There is nothing damaging to Tunsil in that quote. Sometimes I wonder if people start threads after they read just the headline of an article.
Sometimes I wonder who wrote the book of love.
it is illegal to drink before the age of 21. Eli had a picture where he was underage wasted. Did he make mistakes? Sure. They are all minor and the Giants would have been a sb contender this year with him instead of Apple.
Um... just to clear this up. In the majority of the United Sates, it's not illegal to drink while underage. It is illegal to sell alcohol to minors or to be paid to purchase alcohol for minors.
Serving alcohol to minors at a party is a no no.
Sharing the first beer with your teenage son while watching a game not illegal.
Wanted to clear this up. Didn't want any fathers out there sweating that detectives were coming to pick them up for sharing father and son time.
Sharing the first beer with your teenage son while watching a game not illegal.
Now I know in practicle terms nobody is getting charged for sharing a beer with their son but I'm not so sure there is a legal distinction between "serving" and"sharing".
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Serving alcohol to minors at a party is a no no.
Sharing the first beer with your teenage son while watching a game not illegal.
Now I know in practicle terms nobody is getting charged for sharing a beer with their son but I'm not so sure there is a legal distinction between "serving" and"sharing".
In some states underage kids are allowed to drink with a parent or legal guardian present. For instance, if you throw a party for 17 and 18 year olds, the kids that brought their parents can drink.
I'm not condoning sharing a first beer with your son or daughter but in some cases that is remembered as a bonding event by the children and they try to emulate that later in life. Whether or not the alcoholic gene is passed down or dependency is acquired progressively I think greater discrepancy should be taken Nevadans than how a simple beer has been treated in the past.
Should have been "now"
gotta lay off the Irish coffee when proof reading.
Now, that's not to say that Tunsil, like everyone else, should not be accountable for his choices. And it's not having twitter or Facebook. It's the underlying behavior. I am most definitely not sympathetic to that. Further, he's a D1 scholar-athlete. He's not supposed to do "what every other 18-year old does". He's more accountable. I think almost every D1 athlete knows that their lives are not normal, whether it's from the perspective of time management, nutrition, and damaging night time activities. All of them make sacrifices for their sport and, in his case, for his future. It's not even athletes. I recall from my college days, that I was considering a career in something fairly sensitive. I had a professor tell our class that to be considered for the position you had to pass an intense background check and there was nothing that could not be found out about you and everything could preclude you from being hired. He knew several people who attended a party where pot was smoked (this was the mid-70's) but did not used, and were removed from any hiring lists (this was for FBI positions). From that day forward most of us modified our behavior. Why? Because there was something more at stake than just doing what every other college kid did. Likewise, Tunsil, like all other nfl prospects, knows the bigger picture.
WRT to the underlying offense...well, there were several and that raises a flag for teams. It's not crazy to think that teams, who commit tons of money and for many a good portion of their future success, on high picks to be risk averse. That's smart business. But in the main, I think many people are focused on the video...wait, not the video, but the fact that he was smoking... and I think people are projecting. They are using their own views of pot (and more likely whether or not they themselves partake) to to criticize decisions made by team who are looking more globally at Tunsil.
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Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.
It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.
That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
last I saw 80 percent of Americans have smoked pot including presidents. If you aren't smart enough to see that pot doesn't indicate anything about a person negative then you are both a square, a loser and likely socially inept.
Says the grown man who has repulsed enough people that he has to continue creating one new identity after another after he gets booted from here?
Well, you'd know socially inept...
Now, that's not to say that Tunsil, like everyone else, should not be accountable for his choices. And it's not having twitter or Facebook. It's the underlying behavior. I am most definitely not sympathetic to that. Further, he's a D1 scholar-athlete. He's not supposed to do "what every other 18-year old does". He's more accountable. I think almost every D1 athlete knows that their lives are not normal, whether it's from the perspective of time management, nutrition, and damaging night time activities. All of them make sacrifices for their sport and, in his case, for his future. It's not even athletes. I recall from my college days, that I was considering a career in something fairly sensitive. I had a professor tell our class that to be considered for the position you had to pass an intense background check and there was nothing that could not be found out about you and everything could preclude you from being hired. He knew several people who attended a party where pot was smoked (this was the mid-70's) but did not used, and were removed from any hiring lists (this was for FBI positions). From that day forward most of us modified our behavior. Why? Because there was something more at stake than just doing what every other college kid did. Likewise, Tunsil, like all other nfl prospects, knows the bigger picture.
WRT to the underlying offense...well, there were several and that raises a flag for teams. It's not crazy to think that teams, who commit tons of money and for many a good portion of their future success, on high picks to be risk averse. That's smart business. But in the main, I think many people are focused on the video...wait, not the video, but the fact that he was smoking... and I think people are projecting. They are using their own views of pot (and more likely whether or not they themselves partake) to to criticize decisions made by team who are looking more globally at Tunsil.
You'd kill yourself if you were embarrassed in front of the who,e country? You mean a country full of Facebook and Twitter dweebs? A country full of brain dead shells that think "Cats" is musical genius? A country that watched "Survivir" in theaters together for ten years?
C'mon Man!
Serious lack of intestinal fortitude going on here Bill, I don't believe it for a minute. That's just you caving in to what your TV tells you your image should be. It's an illusion Bill, what people think of you shouldn't dictate your self worth. As long as you're comfortable that you didn't deliberately try to harm someone, your self worth is dictated by what's in your heart, not in your pocket.
Your family will love you no matter what, if you're honest. Have a little faith in the people that love you, dig deeper than the cosmetic surface. This wouldn't have happened to you anyway, you're way too paranoid to be hitting on a bong, so you can relax.
Enough, Tunsil cost himself millions. First, by having the picture taken, second, having it on his twitter account and third, his inability to choose the right people to hang with.
In regard to taking money from a coach, why shouldn't he. The colleges and universities provide these kids with scholarships and expect them to adhere to a "serf" position. How much are these schools making off these kids? Why can the coaches and staff in college ball make millions and the athletes make nothing?
Gruden doesn't owe Tunsil anything. If a video like this gets out and nobody knew anything about it, that's on Tunsil for not being honest about it to begin with. it can't be a surprise to him, because he allowed the video to be taken.