When a player is unfairly condemned after the draft, it might impact a player's image. When it happens during the draft, it can impact their wallet. While Tunsil's agent was on the phone furiously calling teams to tell them the bong picture "is not who he is," Gruden was telling teams and the world not to draft him.
At minimum, Gruden owes Tunsil an apology. At maximum, compensation.
After the 6th pick was made, Gruden got warmed up by blaming Tunsil and Twitter instead of the hacker.
"This whole thing makes me sick. This whole social media scene makes me sick." Gruden said on the broadcast. "If you're a young kid out there, put away your Twitter accounts, all right, if you want to be a pro football player. Somebody's gonna hack your account." Lonk - ( New Window )
it is illegal to drink before the age of 21. Eli had a picture where he was underage wasted. Did he make mistakes? Sure. They are all minor and the Giants would have been a sb contender this year with him instead of Apple.
Um... just to clear this up. In the majority of the United Sates, it's not illegal to drink while underage. It is illegal to sell alcohol to minors or to be paid to purchase alcohol for minors.
Serving alcohol to minors at a party is a no no.
Sharing the first beer with your teenage son while watching a game not illegal.
Wanted to clear this up. Didn't want any fathers out there sweating that detectives were coming to pick them up for sharing father and son time.
Is there really a legal distinction between the two?
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Serving alcohol to minors at a party is a no no.
Sharing the first beer with your teenage son while watching a game not illegal.
Now I know in practicle terms nobody is getting charged for sharing a beer with their son but I'm not so sure there is a legal distinction between "serving" and"sharing".
is watching ESPN Draft coverage, while the draft is ongoing, and making decisions based on comments made by commentators who are paid to give their opinion, then I'm afraid I don't feel sorry for them and they are bozos. I'm afraid I could make up my own opinion on the matter without outside influence, and I'm sure thsse professionals could do so as well.
Hacked social media or not, Tunsil put himself in this position by making those choices. I guess Mayock and Gruden made Tunsil admit he took money during a live press conference. Character assassination? Gimme a break. If there was an assassination then Tunsil was holding the gun to his own head.
Is there really a legal distinction between the two?
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Serving alcohol to minors at a party is a no no.
Sharing the first beer with your teenage son while watching a game not illegal.
Now I know in practicle terms nobody is getting charged for sharing a beer with their son but I'm not so sure there is a legal distinction between "serving" and"sharing".
In some states underage kids are allowed to drink with a parent or legal guardian present. For instance, if you throw a party for 17 and 18 year olds, the kids that brought their parents can drink.
I'm not condoning sharing a first beer with your son or daughter but in some cases that is remembered as a bonding event by the children and they try to emulate that later in life. Whether or not the alcoholic gene is passed down or dependency is acquired progressively I think greater discrepancy should be taken Nevadans than how a simple beer has been treated in the past.
I would be horrified right now to be embarrassed in front of even one of my family or friends. I'd probably kill myself if it happened in front of the entire country. And I'm not 19 or 20. My goodness. I would be shattered if the biggest dream of my life came crumbling down in moments in front of me. Now, that did not happen to him; he still plays for an nfl team, but while it was going on, it must have been horrendous. Further, he cost himself a shitload of money and while he is still going to make a shitload of money, I'm venal enough to know that the shitload lost would be painful for me. Plus, while for me it's just greed, kids nowadays (or maybe many people since the beginning of time) intricately link their self-worth and personal value/reputation/contributions to the amount they make or have (as opposed to what you can buy). He's a kid and I feel sorry for him.
Now, that's not to say that Tunsil, like everyone else, should not be accountable for his choices. And it's not having twitter or Facebook. It's the underlying behavior. I am most definitely not sympathetic to that. Further, he's a D1 scholar-athlete. He's not supposed to do "what every other 18-year old does". He's more accountable. I think almost every D1 athlete knows that their lives are not normal, whether it's from the perspective of time management, nutrition, and damaging night time activities. All of them make sacrifices for their sport and, in his case, for his future. It's not even athletes. I recall from my college days, that I was considering a career in something fairly sensitive. I had a professor tell our class that to be considered for the position you had to pass an intense background check and there was nothing that could not be found out about you and everything could preclude you from being hired. He knew several people who attended a party where pot was smoked (this was the mid-70's) but did not used, and were removed from any hiring lists (this was for FBI positions). From that day forward most of us modified our behavior. Why? Because there was something more at stake than just doing what every other college kid did. Likewise, Tunsil, like all other nfl prospects, knows the bigger picture.
WRT to the underlying offense...well, there were several and that raises a flag for teams. It's not crazy to think that teams, who commit tons of money and for many a good portion of their future success, on high picks to be risk averse. That's smart business. But in the main, I think many people are focused on the video...wait, not the video, but the fact that he was smoking... and I think people are projecting. They are using their own views of pot (and more likely whether or not they themselves partake) to to criticize decisions made by team who are looking more globally at Tunsil.
Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.
It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.
That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
last I saw 80 percent of Americans have smoked pot including presidents. If you aren't smart enough to see that pot doesn't indicate anything about a person negative then you are both a square, a loser and likely socially inept.
Says the grown man who has repulsed enough people that he has to continue creating one new identity after another after he gets booted from here?
I would be horrified right now to be embarrassed in front of even one of my family or friends. I'd probably kill myself if it happened in front of the entire country. And I'm not 19 or 20. My goodness. I would be shattered if the biggest dream of my life came crumbling down in moments in front of me. Now, that did not happen to him; he still plays for an nfl team, but while it was going on, it must have been horrendous. Further, he cost himself a shitload of money and while he is still going to make a shitload of money, I'm venal enough to know that the shitload lost would be painful for me. Plus, while for me it's just greed, kids nowadays (or maybe many people since the beginning of time) intricately link their self-worth and personal value/reputation/contributions to the amount they make or have (as opposed to what you can buy). He's a kid and I feel sorry for him.
Now, that's not to say that Tunsil, like everyone else, should not be accountable for his choices. And it's not having twitter or Facebook. It's the underlying behavior. I am most definitely not sympathetic to that. Further, he's a D1 scholar-athlete. He's not supposed to do "what every other 18-year old does". He's more accountable. I think almost every D1 athlete knows that their lives are not normal, whether it's from the perspective of time management, nutrition, and damaging night time activities. All of them make sacrifices for their sport and, in his case, for his future. It's not even athletes. I recall from my college days, that I was considering a career in something fairly sensitive. I had a professor tell our class that to be considered for the position you had to pass an intense background check and there was nothing that could not be found out about you and everything could preclude you from being hired. He knew several people who attended a party where pot was smoked (this was the mid-70's) but did not used, and were removed from any hiring lists (this was for FBI positions). From that day forward most of us modified our behavior. Why? Because there was something more at stake than just doing what every other college kid did. Likewise, Tunsil, like all other nfl prospects, knows the bigger picture.
WRT to the underlying offense...well, there were several and that raises a flag for teams. It's not crazy to think that teams, who commit tons of money and for many a good portion of their future success, on high picks to be risk averse. That's smart business. But in the main, I think many people are focused on the video...wait, not the video, but the fact that he was smoking... and I think people are projecting. They are using their own views of pot (and more likely whether or not they themselves partake) to to criticize decisions made by team who are looking more globally at Tunsil.
You'd kill yourself if you were embarrassed in front of the who,e country? You mean a country full of Facebook and Twitter dweebs? A country full of brain dead shells that think "Cats" is musical genius? A country that watched "Survivir" in theaters together for ten years?
C'mon Man!
Serious lack of intestinal fortitude going on here Bill, I don't believe it for a minute. That's just you caving in to what your TV tells you your image should be. It's an illusion Bill, what people think of you shouldn't dictate your self worth. As long as you're comfortable that you didn't deliberately try to harm someone, your self worth is dictated by what's in your heart, not in your pocket.
Your family will love you no matter what, if you're honest. Have a little faith in the people that love you, dig deeper than the cosmetic surface. This wouldn't have happened to you anyway, you're way too paranoid to be hitting on a bong, so you can relax.
until all the facts are known? That's just a good life lesson in general.
Enough, Tunsil cost himself millions. First, by having the picture taken, second, having it on his twitter account and third, his inability to choose the right people to hang with.
In regard to taking money from a coach, why shouldn't he. The colleges and universities provide these kids with scholarships and expect them to adhere to a "serf" position. How much are these schools making off these kids? Why can the coaches and staff in college ball make millions and the athletes make nothing?
He was right in saying that kids today live on social media and its their own fault for crap like Tunsil's video getting out.
Gruden doesn't owe Tunsil anything. If a video like this gets out and nobody knew anything about it, that's on Tunsil for not being honest about it to begin with. it can't be a surprise to him, because he allowed the video to be taken.
There is nothing damaging to Tunsil in that quote. Sometimes I wonder if people start threads after they read just the headline of an article.
Sometimes I wonder who wrote the book of love.
it is illegal to drink before the age of 21. Eli had a picture where he was underage wasted. Did he make mistakes? Sure. They are all minor and the Giants would have been a sb contender this year with him instead of Apple.
Um... just to clear this up. In the majority of the United Sates, it's not illegal to drink while underage. It is illegal to sell alcohol to minors or to be paid to purchase alcohol for minors.
Serving alcohol to minors at a party is a no no.
Sharing the first beer with your teenage son while watching a game not illegal.
Wanted to clear this up. Didn't want any fathers out there sweating that detectives were coming to pick them up for sharing father and son time.
Sharing the first beer with your teenage son while watching a game not illegal.
Now I know in practicle terms nobody is getting charged for sharing a beer with their son but I'm not so sure there is a legal distinction between "serving" and"sharing".
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Serving alcohol to minors at a party is a no no.
Sharing the first beer with your teenage son while watching a game not illegal.
Now I know in practicle terms nobody is getting charged for sharing a beer with their son but I'm not so sure there is a legal distinction between "serving" and"sharing".
In some states underage kids are allowed to drink with a parent or legal guardian present. For instance, if you throw a party for 17 and 18 year olds, the kids that brought their parents can drink.
I'm not condoning sharing a first beer with your son or daughter but in some cases that is remembered as a bonding event by the children and they try to emulate that later in life. Whether or not the alcoholic gene is passed down or dependency is acquired progressively I think greater discrepancy should be taken Nevadans than how a simple beer has been treated in the past.
Should have been "now"
gotta lay off the Irish coffee when proof reading.
Now, that's not to say that Tunsil, like everyone else, should not be accountable for his choices. And it's not having twitter or Facebook. It's the underlying behavior. I am most definitely not sympathetic to that. Further, he's a D1 scholar-athlete. He's not supposed to do "what every other 18-year old does". He's more accountable. I think almost every D1 athlete knows that their lives are not normal, whether it's from the perspective of time management, nutrition, and damaging night time activities. All of them make sacrifices for their sport and, in his case, for his future. It's not even athletes. I recall from my college days, that I was considering a career in something fairly sensitive. I had a professor tell our class that to be considered for the position you had to pass an intense background check and there was nothing that could not be found out about you and everything could preclude you from being hired. He knew several people who attended a party where pot was smoked (this was the mid-70's) but did not used, and were removed from any hiring lists (this was for FBI positions). From that day forward most of us modified our behavior. Why? Because there was something more at stake than just doing what every other college kid did. Likewise, Tunsil, like all other nfl prospects, knows the bigger picture.
WRT to the underlying offense...well, there were several and that raises a flag for teams. It's not crazy to think that teams, who commit tons of money and for many a good portion of their future success, on high picks to be risk averse. That's smart business. But in the main, I think many people are focused on the video...wait, not the video, but the fact that he was smoking... and I think people are projecting. They are using their own views of pot (and more likely whether or not they themselves partake) to to criticize decisions made by team who are looking more globally at Tunsil.
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Pot is still illegal in many states and is banned in the NFL. What's tragic isn't that he slid down board, it's that he continued to make dumb mistakes knowing full well it might cost him money.
It's not the pot. It's the lack of maturity. And seeing as how these teams are investing millions into these players, I can see them mitigating risk and passing on him.
That fact that you can't see this doesn't surprise me.
last I saw 80 percent of Americans have smoked pot including presidents. If you aren't smart enough to see that pot doesn't indicate anything about a person negative then you are both a square, a loser and likely socially inept.
Says the grown man who has repulsed enough people that he has to continue creating one new identity after another after he gets booted from here?
Well, you'd know socially inept...
Now, that's not to say that Tunsil, like everyone else, should not be accountable for his choices. And it's not having twitter or Facebook. It's the underlying behavior. I am most definitely not sympathetic to that. Further, he's a D1 scholar-athlete. He's not supposed to do "what every other 18-year old does". He's more accountable. I think almost every D1 athlete knows that their lives are not normal, whether it's from the perspective of time management, nutrition, and damaging night time activities. All of them make sacrifices for their sport and, in his case, for his future. It's not even athletes. I recall from my college days, that I was considering a career in something fairly sensitive. I had a professor tell our class that to be considered for the position you had to pass an intense background check and there was nothing that could not be found out about you and everything could preclude you from being hired. He knew several people who attended a party where pot was smoked (this was the mid-70's) but did not used, and were removed from any hiring lists (this was for FBI positions). From that day forward most of us modified our behavior. Why? Because there was something more at stake than just doing what every other college kid did. Likewise, Tunsil, like all other nfl prospects, knows the bigger picture.
WRT to the underlying offense...well, there were several and that raises a flag for teams. It's not crazy to think that teams, who commit tons of money and for many a good portion of their future success, on high picks to be risk averse. That's smart business. But in the main, I think many people are focused on the video...wait, not the video, but the fact that he was smoking... and I think people are projecting. They are using their own views of pot (and more likely whether or not they themselves partake) to to criticize decisions made by team who are looking more globally at Tunsil.
You'd kill yourself if you were embarrassed in front of the who,e country? You mean a country full of Facebook and Twitter dweebs? A country full of brain dead shells that think "Cats" is musical genius? A country that watched "Survivir" in theaters together for ten years?
C'mon Man!
Serious lack of intestinal fortitude going on here Bill, I don't believe it for a minute. That's just you caving in to what your TV tells you your image should be. It's an illusion Bill, what people think of you shouldn't dictate your self worth. As long as you're comfortable that you didn't deliberately try to harm someone, your self worth is dictated by what's in your heart, not in your pocket.
Your family will love you no matter what, if you're honest. Have a little faith in the people that love you, dig deeper than the cosmetic surface. This wouldn't have happened to you anyway, you're way too paranoid to be hitting on a bong, so you can relax.
Enough, Tunsil cost himself millions. First, by having the picture taken, second, having it on his twitter account and third, his inability to choose the right people to hang with.
In regard to taking money from a coach, why shouldn't he. The colleges and universities provide these kids with scholarships and expect them to adhere to a "serf" position. How much are these schools making off these kids? Why can the coaches and staff in college ball make millions and the athletes make nothing?
Gruden doesn't owe Tunsil anything. If a video like this gets out and nobody knew anything about it, that's on Tunsil for not being honest about it to begin with. it can't be a surprise to him, because he allowed the video to be taken.