lets just make this cut and dry and talk about book topics here. I'm interested in discussing stuff from the other thread but too many potential spoilers.
A separate thread for those who read on Kindle as opposed to actual books? I hear the books may have included pictures and maps that us Kindle readers never saw. (sarcasm off)
Be interested to see what for. If he just shows up at the wall I'd be a bit disappointed. Maybe the brotherhood delivers the comeuppance for the Freys now that the Boltons situation is volatile?
I think it also helped how he approached the dragons. In the books Quentyn comes with a whip and tries to basically be Dany whereas Tyrion comes in with just a torch that he puts down and approached them very slowly. I think his body language probably helped him.
I really hope he's not a secret Targ, but I'm down for him being a dragonrider.
Would it mean that Tywin isn't actually the father then Â
A separate thread for those who read on Kindle as opposed to actual books? I hear the books may have included pictures and maps that us Kindle readers never saw. (sarcasm off)
Haha. It's too bad that's devolved into no talking about the book, even if it's not in the show at all.
I posted this link in the other thread. This quote below from the article is very interesting and leads me to believe that Lady Stoneheart might be back, if true.
"We also heard from another source that Kaye had been involved in some sort of hanging scene." link Thoros - ( New Window )
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I posted this link in the other thread. This quote below from the article is very interesting and leads me to believe that Lady Stoneheart might be back, if true.
"We also heard from another source that Kaye had been involved in some sort of hanging scene." link Thoros - ( New Window )
I think the general LS plotline exists just without LS.
I posted this link in the other thread. This quote below from the article is very interesting and leads me to believe that Lady Stoneheart might be back, if true.
"We also heard from another source that Kaye had been involved in some sort of hanging scene." link Thoros - ( New Window )
I know it was Catelyn that hung Brienne but maybe they just scrap her still and make it someone else.
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I posted this link in the other thread. This quote below from the article is very interesting and leads me to believe that Lady Stoneheart might be back, if true.
"We also heard from another source that Kaye had been involved in some sort of hanging scene." link Thoros - ( New Window )
I know it was Catelyn that hung Brienne but maybe they just scrap her still and make it someone else.
I posted this link in the other thread. This quote below from the article is very interesting and leads me to believe that Lady Stoneheart might be back, if true.
"We also heard from another source that Kaye had been involved in some sort of hanging scene." link Thoros - ( New Window )
I know it was Catelyn that hung Brienne but maybe they just scrap her still and make it someone else.
did that happen in the books?
man I have a bad recollection of the last two
Me too. My recollection was that they hadn't hung her yet. They ended her last scene with the rope around her neck and some sort of other cliff-hanger that I forgot
well, it was a cliff hanger. Brienne was hung but uttered something at the end of the chapter before passing out which may or may not have saved her life.
anyway after he finished reading the chapters, he opened the floor to some discussion about the plot of asoiaf, and some amazing genius girl said: you know my friends and i were debating this pretty heavily in the lobby just today, brienne screams “one word” as she is being hung by lady stoneheart’s men in a feast for crows - what was the word?
george turned the question on the audience and asked if anyone had figured it out - we shouted all kinds of dumb stuff, “jaime”, “sapphires”, etc. but some other genius in the second row said “sword”!
george confirmed that the word brienne screamed was “sword”; lady stoneheart gave brienne the choice of either swearing her sword to her or being hung, saying “sword or noose”, and as brienne was being hung she screamed “sword”
...because it's the only way the continuation of the story in Book V makes any sense. So when GRRM confirmed the word, it wasn't a real spoiler - just a clarification. ADWD was already out by then.
anyway after he finished reading the chapters, he opened the floor to some discussion about the plot of asoiaf, and some amazing genius girl said: you know my friends and i were debating this pretty heavily in the lobby just today, brienne screams “one word” as she is being hung by lady stoneheart’s men in a feast for crows - what was the word?
george turned the question on the audience and asked if anyone had figured it out - we shouted all kinds of dumb stuff, “jaime”, “sapphires”, etc. but some other genius in the second row said “sword”!
george confirmed that the word brienne screamed was “sword”; lady stoneheart gave brienne the choice of either swearing her sword to her or being hung, saying “sword or noose”, and as brienne was being hung she screamed “sword”
Why did it take a potential hanging to swear her sword to her? She swears he sword to anyone who will take it
anyway after he finished reading the chapters, he opened the floor to some discussion about the plot of asoiaf, and some amazing genius girl said: you know my friends and i were debating this pretty heavily in the lobby just today, brienne screams “one word” as she is being hung by lady stoneheart’s men in a feast for crows - what was the word?
george turned the question on the audience and asked if anyone had figured it out - we shouted all kinds of dumb stuff, “jaime”, “sapphires”, etc. but some other genius in the second row said “sword”!
george confirmed that the word brienne screamed was “sword”; lady stoneheart gave brienne the choice of either swearing her sword to her or being hung, saying “sword or noose”, and as brienne was being hung she screamed “sword”
Ahh yeah, I must have read that interview. Sometimes its hard keeping track of what I've read in the books, what I've read from sample chapters, and what info George decides to let us in on during an interview or whatnot.
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anyway after he finished reading the chapters, he opened the floor to some discussion about the plot of asoiaf, and some amazing genius girl said: you know my friends and i were debating this pretty heavily in the lobby just today, brienne screams “one word” as she is being hung by lady stoneheart’s men in a feast for crows - what was the word?
george turned the question on the audience and asked if anyone had figured it out - we shouted all kinds of dumb stuff, “jaime”, “sapphires”, etc. but some other genius in the second row said “sword”!
george confirmed that the word brienne screamed was “sword”; lady stoneheart gave brienne the choice of either swearing her sword to her or being hung, saying “sword or noose”, and as brienne was being hung she screamed “sword”
How many times can a person swear her sword unto death to another person?
anyway after he finished reading the chapters, he opened the floor to some discussion about the plot of asoiaf, and some amazing genius girl said: you know my friends and i were debating this pretty heavily in the lobby just today, brienne screams “one word” as she is being hung by lady stoneheart’s men in a feast for crows - what was the word?
george turned the question on the audience and asked if anyone had figured it out - we shouted all kinds of dumb stuff, “jaime”, “sapphires”, etc. but some other genius in the second row said “sword”!
george confirmed that the word brienne screamed was “sword”; lady stoneheart gave brienne the choice of either swearing her sword to her or being hung, saying “sword or noose”, and as brienne was being hung she screamed “sword”
Why did it take a potential hanging to swear her sword to her? She swears he sword to anyone who will take it
It was more of a "Go kill Jaime" order than a "Be my sworn sword" kind of order.
And I think this is about to be a significant show change. Rickon is with the Umbers in the show. If they give Rickon to Ramsay that's a rather large change from the books. I cannot imagine book Umbers would ever in a million years turn Ned Stark's youngest son over to Ramsay Snow.
Also, it makes for an unfortunate thought. We saw in every trailer they released someone flayed and burning on the Bolton cross. It was done as a display for the coming army. Could be Roose but what's the point? If for example, the coming army is led by Jon and Sansa why would they care? But they would if it was Rickon...
In the books where Davos currently is? It's been a while but I thought he was searching for Rickon and was at a place which had some Frey's hanging around and there was some debate as to where a loyalties should lie. I really need to re-read, but it just seems so daunting.
but I think it would be a bad choice. For non-book readers, they're not even going to remember who Rickon is. He's been out of the shpw for, what, 3 years? Out of sight, out of mind. It won't have the same impact...
Does the gift have to be something that would make Ramsey happy? Â
I don't know who the gift-giver is, but plenty of shows in the past have liked to show gifts of a general, emissary, lover, or friend's head in a basket.
Kinda out of left field but I've always wondered and unlike many plot "twists" there really isn't any definitive proof supporting one theory or another. Actually, quite the contrary, as most theories (Benjen, Brymden Rivers, Waymar Royce or a member of his small ranging party) are easily dismissed by counter evidence. So, any guesses?
Well, Ramsay THINKS that the Boltons have the Manderlys. Â
We don't need every house in the North. The Umbers, the Manderlys and the Karstarks command more soldiers than all the other houses combined. With their support, none could challenge us.
Since this is the book readers' thread...
HERE BE SPOILERS.
In ADWD, Wyman Manderly turns the tables on the Boltons and Freys (secret ships in White Harbor, Frey pies in Winterfell, fake execution of an Onion Knight, etc.). We'll see whether any of that material still matters in the show, where Stannis and Roose are already dead and Ramsey is already married, so there's no obvious reason for Wyman and his knights to come to Winterfell. Nor is there any particular need for Davos to cool his heels in the Wolf's Den, unless the showrunners want to take that route to reintroduce Rickon, or to build up the forces in the North for the Wars to Come.
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
I am completely convinced Clegane Bowl is goimg to happen. Why else even introduce this character?
anyway after he finished reading the chapters, he opened the floor to some discussion about the plot of asoiaf, and some amazing genius girl said: you know my friends and i were debating this pretty heavily in the lobby just today, brienne screams “one word” as she is being hung by lady stoneheart’s men in a feast for crows - what was the word?
george turned the question on the audience and asked if anyone had figured it out - we shouted all kinds of dumb stuff, “jaime”, “sapphires”, etc. but some other genius in the second row said “sword”!
george confirmed that the word brienne screamed was “sword”; lady stoneheart gave brienne the choice of either swearing her sword to her or being hung, saying “sword or noose”, and as brienne was being hung she screamed “sword”
Why did it take a potential hanging to swear her sword to her? She swears he sword to anyone who will take it
It was more of a "Go kill Jaime" order than a "Be my sworn sword" kind of order.
As she was being hung, she also saw that Podrick was suffering the same fate and yelled out sword to save him
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
I am completely convinced Clegane Bowl is goimg to happen. Why else even introduce this character?
It would be out of character for the books (or show, I suppose) but I would like him to come back. But, not to fight his brother. One flaw of the series, IMO, is that it suffers from too little redemption. I thought Jaime was going to go this way and he was going this way in the books but I am not sure with if the series will keep that. It doesn't appear as if it will. I would actually prefer it if the Hound appeared but was able to be a peaceable monk and do some good.
Why do you think it would be out of character to bring him back? i think it fits right in. And I think defeating his brother and in turn Cersei would certainly count as redemption.
Sorry. I do not think it would be out of character to bring him back Â
I meant that I think it would be out of character to redeem him from violence. I don't see him killing anyone as redemption. Acting on the side of good, although to some extent we have seen that in his charge of Arya, is nice but it's still a killing path. I meant embrace a peaceful life in some sort of Jesus redeem your soul sort of way.
RE: Sorry. I do not think it would be out of character to bring him back Â
I meant that I think it would be out of character to redeem him from violence. I don't see him killing anyone as redemption. Acting on the side of good, although to some extent we have seen that in his charge of Arya, is nice but it's still a killing path. I meant embrace a peaceful life in some sort of Jesus redeem your soul sort of way.
Yeah, I don't think Martin is too interested in exploring. :)
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? Unless they are lying about Tyrion's mother dying during his birth and it was really a different woman who gave birth to him.
The theory is that the Mad King slept with his mom.
Got it. If that's the case I wonder if Tywin knew or not.
Do you really think based on how much Tywin hated/was ashamed of Tyrion to begin with he'd have raised the son of a man who raped his wife - especially with the Lanister last name?
He would have sent him to the wall at a minimum or had him killed. just my opinion.
Regarding whether or not we need to get HYPE for Cleganebowl Â
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
The writers have said the Hound is dead, but who knows if that means permanently or whatver.
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
The writers have said the Hound is dead, but who knows if that means permanently or whatver.
Going back to the redemption angle, I think his death might be metaphorical. The old "Hound" is dead in favor of the tranquil grave digger.
the Umbers and Manderlys as allies, I think he may be in for a surprise
I think so as well. Roose may have been feared but I imagine he also would have had grudging respect. Nobody is going to see Ramsey as anything but a lunatic bastard. These Houses have long histories and likely some dignity,as much as any Northerner can be said to have dignity.
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
The writers have said the Hound is dead, but who knows if that means permanently or whatver.
Going back to the redemption angle, I think his death might be metaphorical. The old "Hound" is dead in favor of the tranquil grave digger.
Good point. Could be their angle, but how the "hound" and "mountain" come face to face for the hounds redemption weaved into a 5 minute snippet like the show has for most plot lines might be tricky.
There was a line in the book where someone claims they buried him themselves, so maybe that's a lie.
with the remaining Lannisters being held up in Kings Landing. They are attacked and the Hound kills the Mountain and then goes up to red keep to slaughter Cersei. To kinda of "make up" for the atrocities of his brother vs Elia Martell. I don't think there is redemption for the Hound.
I always thought the series would climax... with the remaining Lannisters being held up in Kings Landing. They are attacked and the Hound kills the Mountain and then goes up to red keep to slaughter Cersei. To kinda of "make up" for the atrocities of his brother vs Elia Martell. I don't think there is redemption for the Hound.
The talk of splitting the last x-teen episodes into two seasons makes sense from that perspective:
Season Six: Bolton/Stark/Seaworth in the North; Lannister/Martell/Tully in the South; Dany and Arya in the East, with Euron conveniently showing up with a fleet.
Season Seven: The "Living" side of the draw gets sorted out; the most likely survivors being Dany, Jon, Tyrion, Varys, Davos, Arya and maybe some mix of Brienne/Jaime/Pod/Gendry/Tormund to stand against the Others in 2018.
Season Eight: Walker Bowl.
By the way, does anyone know who holds Dragonstone and Storms End at this point on the show? Without the Aegon/Griff plot line, there hasn't been much action out that way since Renly died and Stannis headed north after Blackwater. My guess is that Dany will head that way with an Ironborn fleet, a drunken dwarf, a wisecracking eunuch and a lot of seasick Dothraki. That way, there's no need for Connington and Co. But I'm not sure GRRM would let them write out Aegon without a fight. It sort of leaves Tyrion as the default "third head" of the dragon, which might be where Martin is going anyway.
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
The writers have said the Hound is dead, but who knows if that means permanently or whatver.
Going back to the redemption angle, I think his death might be metaphorical. The old "Hound" is dead in favor of the tranquil grave digger.
It's semantics based on some lines in the book by the character McShane is going to play. The Hound is dead, but Sandor the ninja monk lives.
...we should find out at the Kingsmoot which characters made the TV cut and which didn't. Combining Euron and Victarion is the sort of economy the show will need if they want to start wrapping up lot lines. Asha/Yara can pick up some of the slack, maybe even a hot girl-girl scene with the Dusky Woman before gangrene sets in.
To introduce Euron is they basically are telling you what is major purpose in both versions of the story is going to be. They write in Dany's fleet being burned in episode 1 and introduce Euron in episode 2. Random coincidence of course....
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To introduce Euron is they basically are telling you what is major purpose in both versions of the story is going to be. They write in Dany's fleet being burned in episode 1 and introduce Euron in episode 2. Random coincidence of course....
While I agree with you that it's a slightly lazy writing element, I personally find the Ironborn so deathly boring that I selfishly don't mind. I am dreading 20 minutes of screen time wasted on the KingsMoot.
To introduce Euron is they basically are telling you what is major purpose in both versions of the story is going to be. They write in Dany's fleet being burned in episode 1 and introduce Euron in episode 2. Random coincidence of course....
While I agree with you that it's a slightly lazy writing element, I personally find the Ironborn so deathly boring that I selfishly don't mind. I am dreading 20 minutes of screen time wasted on the KingsMoot.
they were also some of the worst POV's to read. Before beginning one of those sections in the books I'd look forward to see which POV was next.
I think their sole purpose is to get Dany to Westeros and then all turn on each other leaving Theon the only one left to rebuild their land and culture. Makes him an unwilling leader. Will mirror his story. Theon to Reek to Theon again. Iron Islands to nothing to Iron Islands again. And maybe they can find one of his rumored bastards out there too for an heir.
I really have thought this is basically it for the Iron Born. Why you need hundreds of pages for that, I don't know. I agree they are some pretty boring chapters.
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To introduce Euron is they basically are telling you what is major purpose in both versions of the story is going to be. They write in Dany's fleet being burned in episode 1 and introduce Euron in episode 2. Random coincidence of course....
While I agree with you that it's a slightly lazy writing element, I personally find the Ironborn so deathly boring that I selfishly don't mind. I am dreading 20 minutes of screen time wasted on the KingsMoot.
they were also some of the worst POV's to read. Before beginning one of those sections in the books I'd look forward to see which POV was next.
I agree. I also feel the same way about the Danys POV and the Dorne POV's. For me, I think it's a combination of people I don't care about (Asha, Victarion, Hotah, Arianne), or actually despise (Danys) plus (or mostly) being off the mainland and away from places that do excite me (King's Landing, Winterfell, The Wall).
Dany is not going to bang any of them either. I don't know why George spends so much time trying to get me to believe Dany is going to have sex with any of these Greyjoys.
Oh, and also... Dany is not going to bang any of them either. I don't know why George spends so much time trying to get me to believe Dany is going to have sex with any of these Greyjoys.
Some fanboy diehards insist Daario is a Greyjoy incognito.
The Ironborn have two strategic assets: a fleet and a dragonhorn. Might not seem like much, since they are glaringly incapable of holding land, and proud of their inability to cultivate it. But in a war that spans a sea and involves dragons, those assets might prove essential. It's not as though the Ironborn are just there to provide ferry service for Dothraki and/or Unsullied.
Oh, and also... Dany is not going to bang any of them either. I don't know why George spends so much time trying to get me to believe Dany is going to have sex with any of these Greyjoys.
Some fanboy diehards insist Daario is a Greyjoy incognito.
The Ironborn have two strategic assets: a fleet and a dragonhorn. Might not seem like much, since they are glaringly incapable of holding land, and proud of their inability to cultivate it. But in a war that spans a sea and involves dragons, those assets might prove essential. It's not as though the Ironborn are just there to provide ferry service for Dothraki and/or Unsullied.
Aren't they already tearing up the southern part of the continent? (Again I'm suffering from a foggy memory)
That's who Daario is. I don't believe it personally, but I have read the theories. And it does seem in fact possible. Someone outlined the whole thing and when Daario disappears for an extend time Euron comes into the picture. Then Euron disappears and Daario is back. So the timelines do seem to fit. But I don't believe it.
Oh, and also... Dany is not going to bang any of them either. I don't know why George spends so much time trying to get me to believe Dany is going to have sex with any of these Greyjoys.
Some fanboy diehards insist Daario is a Greyjoy incognito.
The Ironborn have two strategic assets: a fleet and a dragonhorn. Might not seem like much, since they are glaringly incapable of holding land, and proud of their inability to cultivate it. But in a war that spans a sea and involves dragons, those assets might prove essential. It's not as though the Ironborn are just there to provide ferry service for Dothraki and/or Unsullied.
Aren't they already tearing up the southern part of the continent? (Again I'm suffering from a foggy memory)
Yeah, they took over a series of islands in the Reach that let them control the waterways into Oldtown and IIRC correctly that was their next plan of attack. I'm similarly fuzzy in my memory of this so its possible they already lost control of the islands.
Is plausible, IMO. Euron is daring and meticulous enough to put in that much planning.
Daario = Benjen makes zero sense. It means that Benjen is a NW deserter.
Hasn't Benjen already been in the show, and Daario been in the show and they're not the same person unless I'm missing something.
Also I believe we just met Euron Sunday night, and he too is not Daario. he doesn't even look like Daario and it would be impossible to be searching for Danaerys with Jorah and simultaneously at the iron islands killing Balon.
That pretty much renders the theory moot, unless Martin actually gets around to finishing the books.
It might be a clever way to win Daenerys over. She has no interest in noblemen who want to dominate her or use her to win a throne. She's had enough of that crap with her brother pimping her out. So seducing her in the guise of an adoring, devoted soldier might be Euron's best shot. (She has a soft spot for that type: Jorah, Grey Worm and Barristan, whatever they may lack, have a special place in her heart.) Then, having won her trust as a humble servant and her bed as a prolific lover, announcing himself as a king in his own right and offering a fleet as a wedding present would be a nice bonus.
I just don't see any Euron or any of the Iron Born playing the GoT Â
We know from the House of the Undying she has a group of 3 husbands. There is one more husband, and this one appears to be based on love as compared to the other two that were based on something different. I doubt this final husband based on love is Daario. So I don't think Daario is of any importance at all other than to be a supporting character to move her current situation along. I think if this husband for love turned out to be Jon that'd be pretty lame and not something I would like. But, George wrote a lot of weird romantic short story crap in the 70s about male and female outcasts spread out across the word, miraculously finding each other. So, it wouldn't surprise me.
not to mention that it's a fantasy fiction, but if the rumors are true, Jon Danys is Jon's aunt. Not a big deal for Targaryons either. But, it is Jon Snow.
I'm pretty sure the book makes her really in love with Daario.
It's hard to tell how Daenerys feels about anyone or anything. Â
Well it's not likely to be Jorah, he's got grayscale and I don't think she likes him as much as some of you.
Clarke only has three or four facial expressions. The one she uses whenever Jorah turns up is the same misty-eyed look she gives the charred remains of Drogon's latest human victim: "Oh, that naughty boy... but he means well." Or maybe it's just gas.
RE: It's hard to tell how Daenerys feels about anyone or anything. Â
Well it's not likely to be Jorah, he's got grayscale and I don't think she likes him as much as some of you.
Clarke only has three or four facial expressions. The one she uses whenever Jorah turns up is the same misty-eyed look she gives the charred remains of Drogon's latest human victim: "Oh, that naughty boy... but he means well." Or maybe it's just gas.
LOL, she probably wasn't hired for her acting chops, and then of course she refuses to do nude scenes.
anyway, I think she still is a little bit pissed about him selling her out.
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
I am completely convinced Clegane Bowl is goimg to happen. Why else even introduce this character?
I gotta be honest, I completely forgot about that one. There's a lot to keep track of. Westerte.org is great but it's been awhile since I've checked it out. Clegane Bowl would be awesome, also makes you wonder how the trial by combat comes to pass, basically how Cersei would be in the posession of the Faith Militant.
Well, we know there's a golden shroud waiting for Tommen at some point, but it seems a bit early. Who's Tommen's heir at this point, given that House Baratheon still technically sits the Iron Throne ? Robert and Joffrey? Dead. Renly? Dead. Stannis? Dead (Assuming Roose's confirmation of having found his remains wasn't a red herring). Even Myrcella and Shireen are dead. Can Gendry still be legitimized somehow? With nobody to succeed him, I think Tommen hangs around a while.
I'm not even sure who the heir to Casterly Rock would be, after Uncle Kevan. It seems that Jaime, Tyrion, and Lancel, though breathing, have all taken themselves out of the running in various ways. Kevan is still alive on TV, but it's only a matter of time.
Oh, and also... Dany is not going to bang any of them either. I don't know why George spends so much time trying to get me to believe Dany is going to have sex with any of these Greyjoys.
Some fanboy diehards insist Daario is a Greyjoy incognito.
I remember that. Apparently that "theory" has existed for a while but, it came back to the diehards when TV show Daario told Dany he had a fleet of 92 ships, which is the same number of vessels Euron Greyjoy has under his command.
Then it spiraled into Euron Greyjoy was a student of the Three-Eyed Crow, to Euron is secretly the Dusky Woman that Euron gave Victarion for pleasure purposes on his long trip to Essos.
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
In the books, I was really convinced that Sandor Clegane is done, on account of that pronounced limp that grave digger was displaying. The only thing that made me Get Hype was that the Elder Brother has healing powers beyond those of the Maesters, and that the healing of Sandor Clegane, physically, was not done yet. He still had those bodies to bury to heal his soul.
On the show, it was Ian McShane's revelations that make me believe it's happening.
There doesn't seem to be much doubt than The Hound has risen. Â
On the show, it was Ian McShane's revelations that make me believe it's happening.
Well, yeah... That and Rory McCann showing up on location. Just hoisting a few pints with his old mates? Sure.
Similarly, reports from the "little birds" watching HBO's operations suggest that the big set-piece battle this season will be in the North, with Brienne playing a central role. That figures to be Bastard Bowl, but it doesn't rule out Clegane Bowl happening this season. The Bitches of Sunspear figure to make some noise in Westeros too.
Not sure when the Harpy (Green Grace or whoever) and Sons will get smoked. It's a basic dramaturgical rule that you don't unchain a dragon unless you plan to use it.
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Besides, Balon shot first!
Besides, Balon shot first!
Haha, Balon definitely made a move.
Long time speculation.
I really hope he's not a secret Targ, but I'm down for him being a dragonrider.
The theory is that the Mad King slept with his mom.
Haha. It's too bad that's devolved into no talking about the book, even if it's not in the show at all.
"We also heard from another source that Kaye had been involved in some sort of hanging scene."
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? Unless they are lying about Tyrion's mother dying during his birth and it was really a different woman who gave birth to him.
The theory is that the Mad King slept with his mom.
More like raped, but yeah, that's the idea behind a Targ Tyrion.
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? Unless they are lying about Tyrion's mother dying during his birth and it was really a different woman who gave birth to him.
The theory is that the Mad King slept with his mom.
Got it. If that's the case I wonder if Tywin knew or not.
"We also heard from another source that Kaye had been involved in some sort of hanging scene." link Thoros - ( New Window )
I think the general LS plotline exists just without LS.
"We also heard from another source that Kaye had been involved in some sort of hanging scene." link Thoros - ( New Window )
I know it was Catelyn that hung Brienne but maybe they just scrap her still and make it someone else.
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? Unless they are lying about Tyrion's mother dying during his birth and it was really a different woman who gave birth to him.
The theory is that the Mad King slept with his mom.
I forget, did the book say he slept with her rather, um, forcefully?
Looking like he's not in. Based on Yara making out with some chick in the previews I wonder if she takes his role and sails to Dany.
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I posted this link in the other thread. This quote below from the article is very interesting and leads me to believe that Lady Stoneheart might be back, if true.
"We also heard from another source that Kaye had been involved in some sort of hanging scene." link Thoros - ( New Window )
I know it was Catelyn that hung Brienne but maybe they just scrap her still and make it someone else.
did that happen in the books?
man I have a bad recollection of the last two
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I posted this link in the other thread. This quote below from the article is very interesting and leads me to believe that Lady Stoneheart might be back, if true.
"We also heard from another source that Kaye had been involved in some sort of hanging scene." link Thoros - ( New Window )
I know it was Catelyn that hung Brienne but maybe they just scrap her still and make it someone else.
did that happen in the books?
man I have a bad recollection of the last two
I think it may have been her daughter's name she screamed. I don't think she "chose"
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What I think finally made Brienne choose was seeing Pod struggling to breathe, so I'm guessing they were definitely mid-hanging.
I think it may have been her daughter's name she screamed. I don't think she "chose"
I thought (and I very well may be remembering incorrectly) it was confirmed the word she said was "Sword."
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What I think finally made Brienne choose was seeing Pod struggling to breathe, so I'm guessing they were definitely mid-hanging.
I think it may have been her daughter's name she screamed. I don't think she "chose"
I thought (and I very well may be remembering incorrectly) it was confirmed the word she said was "Sword."
It appears you are correct.
george turned the question on the audience and asked if anyone had figured it out - we shouted all kinds of dumb stuff, “jaime”, “sapphires”, etc. but some other genius in the second row said “sword”!
george confirmed that the word brienne screamed was “sword”; lady stoneheart gave brienne the choice of either swearing her sword to her or being hung, saying “sword or noose”, and as brienne was being hung she screamed “sword”
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anyway after he finished reading the chapters, he opened the floor to some discussion about the plot of asoiaf, and some amazing genius girl said: you know my friends and i were debating this pretty heavily in the lobby just today, brienne screams “one word” as she is being hung by lady stoneheart’s men in a feast for crows - what was the word?
george turned the question on the audience and asked if anyone had figured it out - we shouted all kinds of dumb stuff, “jaime”, “sapphires”, etc. but some other genius in the second row said “sword”!
george confirmed that the word brienne screamed was “sword”; lady stoneheart gave brienne the choice of either swearing her sword to her or being hung, saying “sword or noose”, and as brienne was being hung she screamed “sword”
Why did it take a potential hanging to swear her sword to her? She swears he sword to anyone who will take it
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anyway after he finished reading the chapters, he opened the floor to some discussion about the plot of asoiaf, and some amazing genius girl said: you know my friends and i were debating this pretty heavily in the lobby just today, brienne screams “one word” as she is being hung by lady stoneheart’s men in a feast for crows - what was the word?
george turned the question on the audience and asked if anyone had figured it out - we shouted all kinds of dumb stuff, “jaime”, “sapphires”, etc. but some other genius in the second row said “sword”!
george confirmed that the word brienne screamed was “sword”; lady stoneheart gave brienne the choice of either swearing her sword to her or being hung, saying “sword or noose”, and as brienne was being hung she screamed “sword”
Ahh yeah, I must have read that interview. Sometimes its hard keeping track of what I've read in the books, what I've read from sample chapters, and what info George decides to let us in on during an interview or whatnot.
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? Unless they are lying about Tyrion's mother dying during his birth and it was really a different woman who gave birth to him.
The theory is that the Mad King slept with his mom.
Got it. If that's the case I wonder if Tywin knew or not.
It is generally accepted that is why he hated Tyrion so much. His last words (or near last words) were "You're no son of mine."
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anyway after he finished reading the chapters, he opened the floor to some discussion about the plot of asoiaf, and some amazing genius girl said: you know my friends and i were debating this pretty heavily in the lobby just today, brienne screams “one word” as she is being hung by lady stoneheart’s men in a feast for crows - what was the word?
george turned the question on the audience and asked if anyone had figured it out - we shouted all kinds of dumb stuff, “jaime”, “sapphires”, etc. but some other genius in the second row said “sword”!
george confirmed that the word brienne screamed was “sword”; lady stoneheart gave brienne the choice of either swearing her sword to her or being hung, saying “sword or noose”, and as brienne was being hung she screamed “sword”
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anyway after he finished reading the chapters, he opened the floor to some discussion about the plot of asoiaf, and some amazing genius girl said: you know my friends and i were debating this pretty heavily in the lobby just today, brienne screams “one word” as she is being hung by lady stoneheart’s men in a feast for crows - what was the word?
george turned the question on the audience and asked if anyone had figured it out - we shouted all kinds of dumb stuff, “jaime”, “sapphires”, etc. but some other genius in the second row said “sword”!
george confirmed that the word brienne screamed was “sword”; lady stoneheart gave brienne the choice of either swearing her sword to her or being hung, saying “sword or noose”, and as brienne was being hung she screamed “sword”
Why did it take a potential hanging to swear her sword to her? She swears he sword to anyone who will take it
It was more of a "Go kill Jaime" order than a "Be my sworn sword" kind of order.
I have no idea why I have near zero recollection of this stuff.
I have no idea why I have near zero recollection of this stuff.
Five years is a long time.
I'm guessing that it's Rickon
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In the next episode is Faux Arya? Perhaps ramsey marries her? Not sure how he gets out of the Sansa marriage though.
I'm guessing that it's Rickon
Ah, bingo. I bet that's it.
Also, it makes for an unfortunate thought. We saw in every trailer they released someone flayed and burning on the Bolton cross. It was done as a display for the coming army. Could be Roose but what's the point? If for example, the coming army is led by Jon and Sansa why would they care? But they would if it was Rickon...
Since this is the book readers' thread...
HERE BE SPOILERS.
In ADWD, Wyman Manderly turns the tables on the Boltons and Freys (secret ships in White Harbor, Frey pies in Winterfell, fake execution of an Onion Knight, etc.). We'll see whether any of that material still matters in the show, where Stannis and Roose are already dead and Ramsey is already married, so there's no obvious reason for Wyman and his knights to come to Winterfell. Nor is there any particular need for Davos to cool his heels in the Wolf's Den, unless the showrunners want to take that route to reintroduce Rickon, or to build up the forces in the North for the Wars to Come.
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Thought he'd be Euron.
Slepton Meribald
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
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Thought he'd be Euron.
Slepton Meribald
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
I am completely convinced Clegane Bowl is goimg to happen. Why else even introduce this character?
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anyway after he finished reading the chapters, he opened the floor to some discussion about the plot of asoiaf, and some amazing genius girl said: you know my friends and i were debating this pretty heavily in the lobby just today, brienne screams “one word” as she is being hung by lady stoneheart’s men in a feast for crows - what was the word?
george turned the question on the audience and asked if anyone had figured it out - we shouted all kinds of dumb stuff, “jaime”, “sapphires”, etc. but some other genius in the second row said “sword”!
george confirmed that the word brienne screamed was “sword”; lady stoneheart gave brienne the choice of either swearing her sword to her or being hung, saying “sword or noose”, and as brienne was being hung she screamed “sword”
Why did it take a potential hanging to swear her sword to her? She swears he sword to anyone who will take it
It was more of a "Go kill Jaime" order than a "Be my sworn sword" kind of order.
As she was being hung, she also saw that Podrick was suffering the same fate and yelled out sword to save him
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Thought he'd be Euron.
Slepton Meribald
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
I am completely convinced Clegane Bowl is goimg to happen. Why else even introduce this character?
Yeah, I don't think Martin is too interested in exploring. :)
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? Unless they are lying about Tyrion's mother dying during his birth and it was really a different woman who gave birth to him.
The theory is that the Mad King slept with his mom.
Got it. If that's the case I wonder if Tywin knew or not.
Do you really think based on how much Tywin hated/was ashamed of Tyrion to begin with he'd have raised the son of a man who raped his wife - especially with the Lanister last name?
He would have sent him to the wall at a minimum or had him killed. just my opinion.
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Thought he'd be Euron.
Slepton Meribald
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
The writers have said the Hound is dead, but who knows if that means permanently or whatver.
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Thought he'd be Euron.
Slepton Meribald
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
The writers have said the Hound is dead, but who knows if that means permanently or whatver.
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Thought he'd be Euron.
Slepton Meribald
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
The writers have said the Hound is dead, but who knows if that means permanently or whatver.
Going back to the redemption angle, I think his death might be metaphorical. The old "Hound" is dead in favor of the tranquil grave digger.
Good point. Could be their angle, but how the "hound" and "mountain" come face to face for the hounds redemption weaved into a 5 minute snippet like the show has for most plot lines might be tricky.
There was a line in the book where someone claims they buried him themselves, so maybe that's a lie.
The talk of splitting the last x-teen episodes into two seasons makes sense from that perspective:
Season Six: Bolton/Stark/Seaworth in the North; Lannister/Martell/Tully in the South; Dany and Arya in the East, with Euron conveniently showing up with a fleet.
Season Seven: The "Living" side of the draw gets sorted out; the most likely survivors being Dany, Jon, Tyrion, Varys, Davos, Arya and maybe some mix of Brienne/Jaime/Pod/Gendry/Tormund to stand against the Others in 2018.
Season Eight: Walker Bowl.
By the way, does anyone know who holds Dragonstone and Storms End at this point on the show? Without the Aegon/Griff plot line, there hasn't been much action out that way since Renly died and Stannis headed north after Blackwater. My guess is that Dany will head that way with an Ironborn fleet, a drunken dwarf, a wisecracking eunuch and a lot of seasick Dothraki. That way, there's no need for Connington and Co. But I'm not sure GRRM would let them write out Aegon without a fight. It sort of leaves Tyrion as the default "third head" of the dragon, which might be where Martin is going anyway.
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Thought he'd be Euron.
Slepton Meribald
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
The writers have said the Hound is dead, but who knows if that means permanently or whatver.
Going back to the redemption angle, I think his death might be metaphorical. The old "Hound" is dead in favor of the tranquil grave digger.
It's semantics based on some lines in the book by the character McShane is going to play. The Hound is dead, but Sandor the ninja monk lives.
While I agree with you that it's a slightly lazy writing element, I personally find the Ironborn so deathly boring that I selfishly don't mind. I am dreading 20 minutes of screen time wasted on the KingsMoot.
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To introduce Euron is they basically are telling you what is major purpose in both versions of the story is going to be. They write in Dany's fleet being burned in episode 1 and introduce Euron in episode 2. Random coincidence of course....
While I agree with you that it's a slightly lazy writing element, I personally find the Ironborn so deathly boring that I selfishly don't mind. I am dreading 20 minutes of screen time wasted on the KingsMoot.
they were also some of the worst POV's to read. Before beginning one of those sections in the books I'd look forward to see which POV was next.
I really have thought this is basically it for the Iron Born. Why you need hundreds of pages for that, I don't know. I agree they are some pretty boring chapters.
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To introduce Euron is they basically are telling you what is major purpose in both versions of the story is going to be. They write in Dany's fleet being burned in episode 1 and introduce Euron in episode 2. Random coincidence of course....
While I agree with you that it's a slightly lazy writing element, I personally find the Ironborn so deathly boring that I selfishly don't mind. I am dreading 20 minutes of screen time wasted on the KingsMoot.
they were also some of the worst POV's to read. Before beginning one of those sections in the books I'd look forward to see which POV was next.
Some fanboy diehards insist Daario is a Greyjoy incognito.
The Ironborn have two strategic assets: a fleet and a dragonhorn. Might not seem like much, since they are glaringly incapable of holding land, and proud of their inability to cultivate it. But in a war that spans a sea and involves dragons, those assets might prove essential. It's not as though the Ironborn are just there to provide ferry service for Dothraki and/or Unsullied.
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Oh, and also... Dany is not going to bang any of them either. I don't know why George spends so much time trying to get me to believe Dany is going to have sex with any of these Greyjoys.
Some fanboy diehards insist Daario is a Greyjoy incognito.
The Ironborn have two strategic assets: a fleet and a dragonhorn. Might not seem like much, since they are glaringly incapable of holding land, and proud of their inability to cultivate it. But in a war that spans a sea and involves dragons, those assets might prove essential. It's not as though the Ironborn are just there to provide ferry service for Dothraki and/or Unsullied.
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Oh, and also... Dany is not going to bang any of them either. I don't know why George spends so much time trying to get me to believe Dany is going to have sex with any of these Greyjoys.
Some fanboy diehards insist Daario is a Greyjoy incognito.
The Ironborn have two strategic assets: a fleet and a dragonhorn. Might not seem like much, since they are glaringly incapable of holding land, and proud of their inability to cultivate it. But in a war that spans a sea and involves dragons, those assets might prove essential. It's not as though the Ironborn are just there to provide ferry service for Dothraki and/or Unsullied.
Aren't they already tearing up the southern part of the continent? (Again I'm suffering from a foggy memory)
Yeah, they took over a series of islands in the Reach that let them control the waterways into Oldtown and IIRC correctly that was their next plan of attack. I'm similarly fuzzy in my memory of this so its possible they already lost control of the islands.
Daario = Benjen makes zero sense. It means that Benjen is a NW deserter.
Daario = Benjen makes zero sense. It means that Benjen is a NW deserter.
Hasn't Benjen already been in the show, and Daario been in the show and they're not the same person unless I'm missing something.
Also I believe we just met Euron Sunday night, and he too is not Daario. he doesn't even look like Daario and it would be impossible to be searching for Danaerys with Jorah and simultaneously at the iron islands killing Balon.
Daario = Benjen makes zero sense. It means that Benjen is a NW deserter.
Neither are plausible to me. Just a fun tinfoil theory.
Now Varys being a merling, that's locked up in my mind.
It might be a clever way to win Daenerys over. She has no interest in noblemen who want to dominate her or use her to win a throne. She's had enough of that crap with her brother pimping her out. So seducing her in the guise of an adoring, devoted soldier might be Euron's best shot. (She has a soft spot for that type: Jorah, Grey Worm and Barristan, whatever they may lack, have a special place in her heart.) Then, having won her trust as a humble servant and her bed as a prolific lover, announcing himself as a king in his own right and offering a fleet as a wedding present would be a nice bonus.
I'd say maybe Griff/Aegon since I think Targaryan's historically married each other, but he's not in the show as far as I know.
Maybe Gendry? He's still alive right? He'd unite the Baratheon's and Targaryan's even as a unacknowledged bastard.
it could also be someone like Bran or Rickon, but I don't see how there's time in 21 episodes for them to meet, and marry.
Or the obvious Jon Snow.
with no Victarion in the show I don't see any iron born, unless they have Euron and Victarion melded into one.
I'm pretty sure the book makes her really in love with Daario.
Clarke only has three or four facial expressions. The one she uses whenever Jorah turns up is the same misty-eyed look she gives the charred remains of Drogon's latest human victim: "Oh, that naughty boy... but he means well." Or maybe it's just gas.
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Well it's not likely to be Jorah, he's got grayscale and I don't think she likes him as much as some of you.
Clarke only has three or four facial expressions. The one she uses whenever Jorah turns up is the same misty-eyed look she gives the charred remains of Drogon's latest human victim: "Oh, that naughty boy... but he means well." Or maybe it's just gas.
LOL, she probably wasn't hired for her acting chops, and then of course she refuses to do nude scenes.
anyway, I think she still is a little bit pissed about him selling her out.
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Thought he'd be Euron.
Slepton Meribald
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
I am completely convinced Clegane Bowl is goimg to happen. Why else even introduce this character?
I gotta be honest, I completely forgot about that one. There's a lot to keep track of. Westerte.org is great but it's been awhile since I've checked it out. Clegane Bowl would be awesome, also makes you wonder how the trial by combat comes to pass, basically how Cersei would be in the posession of the Faith Militant.
I'm not even sure who the heir to Casterly Rock would be, after Uncle Kevan. It seems that Jaime, Tyrion, and Lancel, though breathing, have all taken themselves out of the running in various ways. Kevan is still alive on TV, but it's only a matter of time.
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Oh, and also... Dany is not going to bang any of them either. I don't know why George spends so much time trying to get me to believe Dany is going to have sex with any of these Greyjoys.
Some fanboy diehards insist Daario is a Greyjoy incognito.
I remember that. Apparently that "theory" has existed for a while but, it came back to the diehards when TV show Daario told Dany he had a fleet of 92 ships, which is the same number of vessels Euron Greyjoy has under his command.
Then it spiraled into Euron Greyjoy was a student of the Three-Eyed Crow, to Euron is secretly the Dusky Woman that Euron gave Victarion for pleasure purposes on his long trip to Essos.
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Thought he'd be Euron.
Slepton Meribald
You think the Hound returns or is he just a ditch digger now? Will they even get into that in the show? Unless Clegane plays a major part in any events to come it's the type off fat that would get trimmed for a TV series.
On the show, it was Ian McShane's revelations that make me believe it's happening.
Well, yeah... That and Rory McCann showing up on location. Just hoisting a few pints with his old mates? Sure.
Similarly, reports from the "little birds" watching HBO's operations suggest that the big set-piece battle this season will be in the North, with Brienne playing a central role. That figures to be Bastard Bowl, but it doesn't rule out Clegane Bowl happening this season. The Bitches of Sunspear figure to make some noise in Westeros too.
Not sure when the Harpy (Green Grace or whoever) and Sons will get smoked. It's a basic dramaturgical rule that you don't unchain a dragon unless you plan to use it.
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In the next episode is Faux Arya? Perhaps ramsey marries her? Not sure how he gets out of the Sansa marriage though.
I'm guessing that it's Rickon
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