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Mike Garafolo & #8207;@MikeGarafolo 5m5 minutes ago
Veteran CB Leon Hall is visiting the Giants today. GM Jerry Reese talked about the need for depth there even after drafting Eli Apple.
Other than Wade, is there anything on the back end of that unit worth keeping? Hall, DRC and Jenkins can help mentor Apple - hopefully help him learn the craft and become a stud.
and our 3 corners stay healthy, our first round pick will barely contribute this year. Awesome.
Where did you pick that from?
Same reaction. Why wouldn't we want depth? We need to be atleast 4 deep with the 4th being serviceable, probably a 5th. Apple is going to play a ton this year regardless of who we sign.
"Leon Hall is still a very technically sound player with a good football IQ. He's been reduced to a nickel CB, but that role still sees about 60 percent of the total snaps, and he's still one of the best nickel corners in the league. He's physical, presses well and offenses should never throw wide receiver screens in his direction. Hall is still one of the best tackling corners in the NFL today. Hall has also rotated into safety for some packages and has practiced there in training camp. I think he could extend his career a few years as a safety and nickel CB."
You could be right. Still think for the right price they'd love to add him. If Hall signs, he is no lock to be on the opening roster, esp. if his back starts acting up or he's still a bit away from regaining his form..Didn't you hear that the Powers interview went very well?
Even if there is no injuries the 4th CB sees the field a lot. He will have plenty of contribution this year.
JPinstripes - Leon Hall is WAY better then Jerraud Powers. It's not even close. PFF agrees with me. Hall was their 14th rated CB last year. Powers was their 95th rated CB.
I've always thought Hall was a good corner. Even if things don't pan out with Apple right away, and DRC or Jenkins goes down, this would be an NFL caliber player who could step in and start if necessary. I believe that even with drafting Apple, having a third veteran corner is important for the Giants.
I like our cbs as is. I want Apple to get as much experience
He brings a ton of versatilit, something we know NYG like.
He's still one of the best nickel corners in the league, and yes, he's a better player than Powers. He's very good playing the ball in the air, can play any CB spot on the field and can even contribute at FS and on specials.
you're saying you'd rather throw a rookie into the fire and cost the team with the inevitable rookie mistakes rather than let him learn first and get gradually increasing snaps?
Rookies rarely make an impact. they can give significant contributions, and signing a decent vet (I have no opinion whether Hall is one) will not impede Apple from making a good contribution.
Hall is an excellent slot corner. I really like what the Giants are doing with the secondary. I hope we get better coverage from our backers this year.
you're saying you'd rather throw a rookie into the fire and cost the team with the inevitable rookie mistakes rather than let him learn first and get gradually increasing snaps?
Rookies rarely make an impact. they can give significant contributions, and signing a decent vet (I have no opinion whether Hall is one) will not impede Apple from making a good contribution.
Shit, I'm getting old..It just dawned on me this very moment that the reason you do a bunch of commenting on the cap and financials is because your handle is fKAP..Sheesh..
NYG get torched because of a lack of depth at CB. Whether or not he plays the #3 or #4 role...it would be a valuable signing that would make a significant impact on NYGs 2016 season. Have the money? Do it.
There may be some extra medical screening that is needed with him.
is one of the great nickel corners in the league. So if he starts in the nickel and Jenkins/DRC start, that means Apple has too watch. I have no problem signing guys for depth, but I'd like to see a guy drafted 10 play immediately.
the history and likelihood of more than one cornerback getting injured, I think adding proven veteran depth at the position is a sound move for insurance purposes.
"Leon Hall is still a very technically sound player with a good football IQ. He's been reduced to a nickel CB, but that role still sees about 60 percent of the total snaps, and he's still one of the best nickel corners in the league. He's physical, presses well and offenses should never throw wide receiver screens in his direction. Hall is still one of the best tackling corners in the NFL today. Hall has also rotated into safety for some packages and has practiced there in training camp. I think he could extend his career a few years as a safety and nickel CB."
Maybe they want a vet safety to provide some leadership/competition and backup the slot in a pinch.
Yes, sounds serious. Not sure when he would be ready to play or what version of Hall you would be getting.
When asked about Hall's free agency, Lapham revealed that Hall underwent back surgery this offseason, which explains why there's been little-to-no market for his services.
"'Leon Hall obviously is not the player physically he (once) was,' Lapham said. 'He's had back surgery. He had it right after the season. He really stepped it up and played (this past season). He was getting epidurals to play with the back problem that he had, and he's had the disc surgery, and he's gotta rehabilitate from that.'
Lapham later went on to say he wouldn't be surprised if Hall retires this offseason, or if the Bengals ultimately end up re-signing him. Whatever happens, this revelation shows just how much of a warrior Hall has been for the Bengals and how much he's given them, even if it wasn't always great.
That was evident this past season when Hall struggled at times, but now knowing what he was going through just to play, it really should just make Bengals fans more endearing to him instead of slamming him as much as they did last season." Link - ( New Window )
RE: I think it's adorable that any of you could even say the words
Pugh and Richburg looked good rookie years only because of what we had seen previously. Both were so good that they changed positions after that. Flowers is a wash because of his injuries. All three were "pretty good... for a rookie". I'd have much rather have had a solid vet filling the role for a year.
Collins started, but there was a lot of negativity about his learning curve/play.
Apple (if he's as billed) will get plenty of playing time with or without a vet signing.
its not about getting depth. Its about Apple now. If he is drafted with the 10th pick, he needs to be on the field. Using him in the nickel this year then moving him out wide next year is fine. I dont want this kid sitting with being using a high pick on him.
Pugh and Richburg looked good rookie years only because of what we had seen previously. Both were so good that they changed positions after that. Flowers is a wash because of his injuries. All three were "pretty good... for a rookie". I'd have much rather have had a solid vet filling the role for a year.
Collins started, but there was a lot of negativity about his learning curve/play.
Apple (if he's as billed) will get plenty of playing time with or without a vet signing.
If Eric is right about Hall being a great nickel corner - Apple's reps will be severely limited this year. I am not sure this is a good thing.
in this league and so adding a guy like Hall would just make our depth that much more solid in the secondary. It's a no-brainer, however, as someone else mentioned, hopefully he passes a physical. If he is signed, it would push Wade or Bennett to 5th CB IMO.
you're getting really old. fkap stands for Formerly Known As Pete - a play on the 'symbol formerly known as Prince' which was current at the time. Changed my handle when I stupidly signed up as Pete (actually my name) when this place was Pete's Corner.
like a medical check only. Id be surprised if they sign him. Assuming hes healthy, it would be a good signing, but several teams already passed on him, at least for now. I assume they did so for medical reasons. The visits though give teams a chance to do their own medical assessment, and determine if hes someone they might be interested in at some point in the future.
I want to see Apple play this year. If our nickel set consists of DRC/Jenkins/Hall - we will be just fine in the secondary. But I dont know if thats the best thing for our rookie.
you're getting really old. fkap stands for Formerly Known As Pete - a play on the 'symbol formerly known as Prince' which was current at the time. Changed my handle when I stupidly signed up as Pete (actually my name) when this place was Pete's Corner.
You actually had to explain that? I remember very well what it really stands for. I was attempting a funny with the CAP and KAP, nothing more..:)
Pugh and Richburg looked good rookie years only because of what we had seen previously. Both were so good that they changed positions after that. Flowers is a wash because of his injuries. All three were "pretty good... for a rookie". I'd have much rather have had a solid vet filling the role for a year.
Collins started, but there was a lot of negativity about his learning curve/play.
Apple (if he's as billed) will get plenty of playing time with or without a vet signing.
Richburg was drafted as a Center. He started out at Guard because he was needed there and because he needed to get some seasoning and gain strength. He's now the Center, and a damned good one. He's not at all a good example for you to use.
and our 3 corners stay healthy, our first round pick will barely contribute this year. Awesome.
Glad to hear you've become a big fan of our rookie first-round pick. Big change from Thursday night:
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dep026 : 4/28/2016 9:23 pm : link : reply
Can't get behind this pick.
Hopefully, no WRs will be able to get behind him, either.
As for Hall, if he's healthy, then sign him. You can never have enough pass-defenders.
I am and still not a fan of the pick, as I feel we could have upgraded in other areas. I feel like we had more pressing needs. But now that he is on the team, I want to see him play. We had a lot of need and drafting a player at 10 to sit is not ideal. I am very curious to see how this pans out.
its not about getting depth. Its about Apple now. If he is drafted with the 10th pick, he needs to be on the field. Using him in the nickel this year then moving him out wide next year is fine. I dont want this kid sitting with being using a high pick on him.
I agree with this to a point, but if you look at last year's snap counts (when I realize Prince missed a few games), 5 of the top 10 snap counts on the tea were CB's and 2 more wee safeties. so 7 of the top 10 most snap counts on the team were DB's.
plenty of snaps to go around and it assumes the Giants are healthy.
basically it would be swapping out Trevin Wade and Jayron Hosley for Apple and Hall.
I do wonder if maybe they'd move DRC to free safety. Worked for the Pats with McCourty - though he had ball recognition issues.
its not about getting depth. Its about Apple now. If he is drafted with the 10th pick, he needs to be on the field. Using him in the nickel this year then moving him out wide next year is fine. I dont want this kid sitting with being using a high pick on him.
I agree with this to a point, but if you look at last year's snap counts (when I realize Prince missed a few games), 5 of the top 10 snap counts on the tea were CB's and 2 more wee safeties. so 7 of the top 10 most snap counts on the team were DB's.
plenty of snaps to go around and it assumes the Giants are healthy.
basically it would be swapping out Trevin Wade and Jayron Hosley for Apple and Hall.
I do wonder if maybe they'd move DRC to free safety. Worked for the Pats with McCourty - though he had ball recognition issues.
It works if there is an injury. If there isnt, snaps are going to be limited. Now if DRC/Hall get reps at FS, then things changed. I am not expecting Apple to be a star immediately, but I think he needs to get as many reps as possible.
because he would be an excellent addition. A CB depth chart of DRC, Jenkins, Apple, Hall, and Deayon/Wade is the deepest the team has had in a really long time.
if he's healthy. You always need CB depth. But I'm hoping they're able to add someone else there, whether it's Hall, Powers or whoever. They still need help there.
This seems like it will happen assuming Hall checks out ok physically. Reese wants a ton of depth at the corner position because it is a passing league.
My question is, why doesn't he put the same emphasis on pass rushers? Right now we only have 2 quality rushers and a big question mark in OO. Kennard is a solid pass rushing LB but you would think he would want to add depth there.
thank you for agreeing with me regarding Richburg. you said it yourself: he needed seasoning and played guard out of necessity.
the important takeaway is that most rookies need seasoning. there are very few OBJ's who come in and are first year stars. That's why it wouldn't automatically be a bad thing to have a vet CB and let Apple learn and earn playing time rather than starting out of necessity. The 3rd CB is still basically a starter in terms of snaps.
thank you for agreeing with me regarding Richburg. you said it yourself: he needed seasoning and played guard out of necessity.
the important takeaway is that most rookies need seasoning. there are very few OBJ's who come in and are first year stars. That's why it wouldn't automatically be a bad thing to have a vet CB and let Apple learn and earn playing time rather than starting out of necessity. The 3rd CB is still basically a starter in terms of snaps.
But reading inside the lines of what Eric has been hearing is that it will be DRC's last season here. Therefore, Apple would expect to be a starter in 2017, and the more reps he gets this year, the better.
Reese put a ton of emphasis on pass rushers. OV and JJP got paid a ton. Plus Owa will have the most reps he has seen this season. Moore was in the mix too but he ended up being a dope.
I think the plan is for Hall to be a CB/S hybrid. I can see the Giants using a lot of dime packages with just Robinson or Kennard as the lone LB, DRC, Jenkins, Apple at CB with Collins close to the LOS with Hall and Thompson as the safeties.
thank you for agreeing with me regarding Richburg. you said it yourself: he needed seasoning and played guard out of necessity.
the important takeaway is that most rookies need seasoning. there are very few OBJ's who come in and are first year stars. That's why it wouldn't automatically be a bad thing to have a vet CB and let Apple learn and earn playing time rather than starting out of necessity. The 3rd CB is still basically a starter in terms of snaps.
Nope, not agreeing at all. Re-check your premises.
is one of the great nickel corners in the league. So if he starts in the nickel and Jenkins/DRC start, that means Apple has too watch. I have no problem signing guys for depth, but I'd like to see a guy drafted 10 play immediately.
He might have longer more productive career for the Giants if they bring him along slowly. Isn't he like 20 years old? So what he doesn't start behind a healthy DB crew day 1 - that would be a nice problem to have. He'll play when he is ready with a healthy DB field not because he has to.
I think he will be ready a lot sooner then some people think. Remember! ... his Mom said he was "the Eli Manning of CBs".
NYG get torched because of a lack of depth at CB. Whether or not he plays the #3 or #4 role...it would be a valuable signing that would make a significant impact on NYGs 2016 season. Have the money? Do it.
There may be some extra medical screening that is needed with him.
This would be very smart because CBs learning curves are usually longer coupled by the fact that Apple isn't as polished coming out either.
They probably knew this would be the route they'd go if they were to pick him over Hargreaves (the more finished product but lesser upside).
If DRC continues his play at the level of last year, he's going nowhere, imo..He's still one of the best and if thst continues you work out a revised contract if necessary..We have and will have enough dollars to do so if we care to unlike other years and other players when we were up against the cap..
This seems like it will happen assuming Hall checks out ok physically. Reese wants a ton of depth at the corner position because it is a passing league.
My question is, why doesn't he put the same emphasis on pass rushers? Right now we only have 2 quality rushers and a big question mark in OO. Kennard is a solid pass rushing LB but you would think he would want to add depth there.
Did you miss the amount of money we spent on OV and JPP? Those aren't pass rushers?
If DRC continues his play at the level of last year, he's going nowhere, imo..He's still one of the best and if thst continues you work out a revised contract if necessary..We have and will have enough dollars to do so if we care to unlike other years and other players when we were up against the cap..
Agreed I know there reports that something happened with DRC that lead to speculation that this might be his last season with the team but I hope those reports are false. Unless there is a dramatic fall off in performance DRC is a must keep IMO. He is the best pure cover corner on the roster. Hopefully he doesn't suffer several small nagging injuries like he did last season because this defensive backfield could be very good especially if Hall is added and Thompson earns the starting FS job.
its not about getting depth. Its about Apple now. If he is drafted with the 10th pick, he needs to be on the field. Using him in the nickel this year then moving him out wide next year is fine. I dont want this kid sitting with being using a high pick on him.
Maybe the Giants don't see Apple as a first year starter( at nickle ) i think this makes it clear they don't..
its not about getting depth. Its about Apple now. If he is drafted with the 10th pick, he needs to be on the field. Using him in the nickel this year then moving him out wide next year is fine. I dont want this kid sitting with being using a high pick on him.
Maybe the Giants don't see Apple as a first year starter( at nickle ) i think this makes it clear they don't..
A depth signing means Apple won't get snaps? Come on.
its not about getting depth. Its about Apple now. If he is drafted with the 10th pick, he needs to be on the field. Using him in the nickel this year then moving him out wide next year is fine. I dont want this kid sitting with being using a high pick on him.
Maybe the Giants don't see Apple as a first year starter( at nickle ) i think this makes it clear they don't..
Checking in on an old corner with a bad back has nothing to do what they expect from Apple and everything to do with the fact that you need guys that can play. Maybe the team is tired of having to get major snaps from trash DBs.
No one recalls us suffering from a string of injuries at corner recently?
Yeah, when Spags was pumping up Hosley who sadly was the best option at corner with both Prince and DRC out. This team just doesn't get injuries to players they get injuries to entire units. On this team injuries are contagious.
Hits it on the nose! Our corners drop like flies do to injury and you can never have enough of them. Espically when you need 3 quality on the field 75% of the time. If you only have 2 a good QB finds the weak spot.
wouldn't be taking away snaps from Eli Apple. This is more of a Sam Madison/RW McQuarters type of signing, where we essentially have a player/coach. We have a pretty young team, especially in the secondary. We could use more than one vet to have in the mix outside of DRC.
trade DRC to 49ers for Davis? Eli Apple gets playing time.
This stuff around here is just nutty. You realize that Apple, Jenkins and DRC will be on the field a LOT together, yes? Apple and Jenkins being the huge upgrade over the crap we rolled out last year.
No one recalls us suffering from a string of injuries at corner recently?
Dood that is the shit that shouldn't be named ! Let's hope that is not the case..
The other thing with Apple, it may not be that The Giants don't view him as the starting slot guy, maybe they view him as replacing someone else sooner rather than later.
Question is, does he have anything left in the tank? And, would he be willing to be the 4th CB and or move to FS.
https://thedeependmiami.com/2016/02/12/free-agent-scouting-report-how-pacman-jones-leon-hall-could-fit-in-miami/ - ( New Window )
http://espn.go.com/blog/cincinnati-bengals/post/_/id/21482/leon-hall-bengals-free-agency-depth-cornerback-cb-catch-up - ( New Window )
DRC, Janoris, Hall, Apple, Bennett Jackson, Landon Collins, Darian Thompson, Nat Behre. That's a lot of talent.
Where did you pick that from?
Since when do our corners stay healthy? We're usually signing CBs off the street by week 8.
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and our 3 corners stay healthy, our first round pick will barely contribute this year. Awesome.
Where did you pick that from?
Same reaction. Why wouldn't we want depth? We need to be atleast 4 deep with the 4th being serviceable, probably a 5th. Apple is going to play a ton this year regardless of who we sign.
You know that's not happening..Apple will get starter-like reps
Dammit SwirlingEddie, you beat me by seconds!!!!
You could be right. Still think for the right price they'd love to add him. If Hall signs, he is no lock to be on the opening roster, esp. if his back starts acting up or he's still a bit away from regaining his form..Didn't you hear that the Powers interview went very well?
My exact thought
JPinstripes - Leon Hall is WAY better then Jerraud Powers. It's not even close. PFF agrees with me. Hall was their 14th rated CB last year. Powers was their 95th rated CB.
Would rather sigh a tackle or guard even it they are backups.
He's still one of the best nickel corners in the league, and yes, he's a better player than Powers. He's very good playing the ball in the air, can play any CB spot on the field and can even contribute at FS and on specials.
Makes a lot of sense.
Rookies rarely make an impact. they can give significant contributions, and signing a decent vet (I have no opinion whether Hall is one) will not impede Apple from making a good contribution.
Rookies rarely make an impact. they can give significant contributions, and signing a decent vet (I have no opinion whether Hall is one) will not impede Apple from making a good contribution.
Shit, I'm getting old..It just dawned on me this very moment that the reason you do a bunch of commenting on the cap and financials is because your handle is fKAP..Sheesh..
There may be some extra medical screening that is needed with him.
Rookies rarely make an impact.
Ummm... OBJ, Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Collins, etc....
Maybe they want a vet safety to provide some leadership/competition and backup the slot in a pinch.
In any event, depth is good.
Yes, sounds serious. Not sure when he would be ready to play or what version of Hall you would be getting.
When asked about Hall's free agency, Lapham revealed that Hall underwent back surgery this offseason, which explains why there's been little-to-no market for his services.
"'Leon Hall obviously is not the player physically he (once) was,' Lapham said. 'He's had back surgery. He had it right after the season. He really stepped it up and played (this past season). He was getting epidurals to play with the back problem that he had, and he's had the disc surgery, and he's gotta rehabilitate from that.'
Lapham later went on to say he wouldn't be surprised if Hall retires this offseason, or if the Bengals ultimately end up re-signing him. Whatever happens, this revelation shows just how much of a warrior Hall has been for the Bengals and how much he's given them, even if it wasn't always great.
That was evident this past season when Hall struggled at times, but now knowing what he was going through just to play, it really should just make Bengals fans more endearing to him instead of slamming him as much as they did last season."
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Anyone wanting the giants to go into a season with their plans based on nobody getting hurt is beyond me.
he's a rarity.
Pugh and Richburg looked good rookie years only because of what we had seen previously. Both were so good that they changed positions after that. Flowers is a wash because of his injuries. All three were "pretty good... for a rookie". I'd have much rather have had a solid vet filling the role for a year.
Collins started, but there was a lot of negativity about his learning curve/play.
Apple (if he's as billed) will get plenty of playing time with or without a vet signing.
he's a rarity.
Pugh and Richburg looked good rookie years only because of what we had seen previously. Both were so good that they changed positions after that. Flowers is a wash because of his injuries. All three were "pretty good... for a rookie". I'd have much rather have had a solid vet filling the role for a year.
Collins started, but there was a lot of negativity about his learning curve/play.
Apple (if he's as billed) will get plenty of playing time with or without a vet signing.
If Eric is right about Hall being a great nickel corner - Apple's reps will be severely limited this year. I am not sure this is a good thing.
My understanding on Leon Hall is that he's visited several teams. Medical is the issue, especially his back.
DRC had 889 snaps, Prince had 765, Hosley had 528, Wade had 529 & Mcbride had 342.
DRC and L.Hall are over 30.....he will play plenty under guidance!!! perfect rotation to keep people fresh.
well that puts a kabosh on this
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Hall would be a great mentor for Apple. Think Sam Madison here.
My exact thought
then what is DRC? He's been around too.
You actually had to explain that? I remember very well what it really stands for. I was attempting a funny with the CAP and KAP, nothing more..:)
In many ways this is much worse than a guy who get injured, and is day-to-day in his rehab.
Glad to hear you've become a big fan of our rookie first-round pick. Big change from Thursday night:
dep026 : 4/28/2016 9:23 pm : link : reply
Can't get behind this pick.
Hopefully, no WRs will be able to get behind him, either.
As for Hall, if he's healthy, then sign him. You can never have enough pass-defenders.
he's a rarity.
Pugh and Richburg looked good rookie years only because of what we had seen previously. Both were so good that they changed positions after that. Flowers is a wash because of his injuries. All three were "pretty good... for a rookie". I'd have much rather have had a solid vet filling the role for a year.
Collins started, but there was a lot of negativity about his learning curve/play.
Apple (if he's as billed) will get plenty of playing time with or without a vet signing.
Richburg was drafted as a Center. He started out at Guard because he was needed there and because he needed to get some seasoning and gain strength. He's now the Center, and a damned good one. He's not at all a good example for you to use.
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and our 3 corners stay healthy, our first round pick will barely contribute this year. Awesome.
Glad to hear you've become a big fan of our rookie first-round pick. Big change from Thursday night:
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dep026 : 4/28/2016 9:23 pm : link : reply
Can't get behind this pick.
Hopefully, no WRs will be able to get behind him, either.
As for Hall, if he's healthy, then sign him. You can never have enough pass-defenders.
I am and still not a fan of the pick, as I feel we could have upgraded in other areas. I feel like we had more pressing needs. But now that he is on the team, I want to see him play. We had a lot of need and drafting a player at 10 to sit is not ideal. I am very curious to see how this pans out.
Why would there be any complaints
I agree with this to a point, but if you look at last year's snap counts (when I realize Prince missed a few games), 5 of the top 10 snap counts on the tea were CB's and 2 more wee safeties. so 7 of the top 10 most snap counts on the team were DB's.
plenty of snaps to go around and it assumes the Giants are healthy.
basically it would be swapping out Trevin Wade and Jayron Hosley for Apple and Hall.
I do wonder if maybe they'd move DRC to free safety. Worked for the Pats with McCourty - though he had ball recognition issues.
Comment was an explanation of why teams will exercise extreme caution in signing him.
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its not about getting depth. Its about Apple now. If he is drafted with the 10th pick, he needs to be on the field. Using him in the nickel this year then moving him out wide next year is fine. I dont want this kid sitting with being using a high pick on him.
I agree with this to a point, but if you look at last year's snap counts (when I realize Prince missed a few games), 5 of the top 10 snap counts on the tea were CB's and 2 more wee safeties. so 7 of the top 10 most snap counts on the team were DB's.
plenty of snaps to go around and it assumes the Giants are healthy.
basically it would be swapping out Trevin Wade and Jayron Hosley for Apple and Hall.
I do wonder if maybe they'd move DRC to free safety. Worked for the Pats with McCourty - though he had ball recognition issues.
It works if there is an injury. If there isnt, snaps are going to be limited. Now if DRC/Hall get reps at FS, then things changed. I am not expecting Apple to be a star immediately, but I think he needs to get as many reps as possible.
Question is, does he have anything left in the tank? And, would he be willing to be the 4th CB and or move to FS.
That shitty organization has 15 more wins and four more playoff appearances than our team does over the past four seasons.
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Never got the recognition he deserved playing for that shitty organization.
Question is, does he have anything left in the tank? And, would he be willing to be the 4th CB and or move to FS.
That shitty organization has 15 more wins and four more playoff appearances than our team does over the past four seasons.
And as many playoffs wins in that time period too!
My question is, why doesn't he put the same emphasis on pass rushers? Right now we only have 2 quality rushers and a big question mark in OO. Kennard is a solid pass rushing LB but you would think he would want to add depth there.
the important takeaway is that most rookies need seasoning. there are very few OBJ's who come in and are first year stars. That's why it wouldn't automatically be a bad thing to have a vet CB and let Apple learn and earn playing time rather than starting out of necessity. The 3rd CB is still basically a starter in terms of snaps.
the important takeaway is that most rookies need seasoning. there are very few OBJ's who come in and are first year stars. That's why it wouldn't automatically be a bad thing to have a vet CB and let Apple learn and earn playing time rather than starting out of necessity. The 3rd CB is still basically a starter in terms of snaps.
But reading inside the lines of what Eric has been hearing is that it will be DRC's last season here. Therefore, Apple would expect to be a starter in 2017, and the more reps he gets this year, the better.
I think the plan is for Hall to be a CB/S hybrid. I can see the Giants using a lot of dime packages with just Robinson or Kennard as the lone LB, DRC, Jenkins, Apple at CB with Collins close to the LOS with Hall and Thompson as the safeties.
the important takeaway is that most rookies need seasoning. there are very few OBJ's who come in and are first year stars. That's why it wouldn't automatically be a bad thing to have a vet CB and let Apple learn and earn playing time rather than starting out of necessity. The 3rd CB is still basically a starter in terms of snaps.
Nope, not agreeing at all. Re-check your premises.
He might have longer more productive career for the Giants if they bring him along slowly. Isn't he like 20 years old? So what he doesn't start behind a healthy DB crew day 1 - that would be a nice problem to have. He'll play when he is ready with a healthy DB field not because he has to.
I think he will be ready a lot sooner then some people think. Remember! ... his Mom said he was "the Eli Manning of CBs".
There may be some extra medical screening that is needed with him.
This would be very smart because CBs learning curves are usually longer coupled by the fact that Apple isn't as polished coming out either.
They probably knew this would be the route they'd go if they were to pick him over Hargreaves (the more finished product but lesser upside).
If DRC continues his play at the level of last year, he's going nowhere, imo..He's still one of the best and if thst continues you work out a revised contract if necessary..We have and will have enough dollars to do so if we care to unlike other years and other players when we were up against the cap..
My question is, why doesn't he put the same emphasis on pass rushers? Right now we only have 2 quality rushers and a big question mark in OO. Kennard is a solid pass rushing LB but you would think he would want to add depth there.
Did you miss the amount of money we spent on OV and JPP? Those aren't pass rushers?
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next year. They didn't need just a slot corner.
If DRC continues his play at the level of last year, he's going nowhere, imo..He's still one of the best and if thst continues you work out a revised contract if necessary..We have and will have enough dollars to do so if we care to unlike other years and other players when we were up against the cap..
Agreed I know there reports that something happened with DRC that lead to speculation that this might be his last season with the team but I hope those reports are false. Unless there is a dramatic fall off in performance DRC is a must keep IMO. He is the best pure cover corner on the roster. Hopefully he doesn't suffer several small nagging injuries like he did last season because this defensive backfield could be very good especially if Hall is added and Thompson earns the starting FS job.
Maybe the Giants don't see Apple as a first year starter( at nickle ) i think this makes it clear they don't..
a Trumaine McBride or Wade though.
Better check that back issue though.
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its not about getting depth. Its about Apple now. If he is drafted with the 10th pick, he needs to be on the field. Using him in the nickel this year then moving him out wide next year is fine. I dont want this kid sitting with being using a high pick on him.
Maybe the Giants don't see Apple as a first year starter( at nickle ) i think this makes it clear they don't..
A depth signing means Apple won't get snaps? Come on.
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its not about getting depth. Its about Apple now. If he is drafted with the 10th pick, he needs to be on the field. Using him in the nickel this year then moving him out wide next year is fine. I dont want this kid sitting with being using a high pick on him.
Maybe the Giants don't see Apple as a first year starter( at nickle ) i think this makes it clear they don't..
Checking in on an old corner with a bad back has nothing to do what they expect from Apple and everything to do with the fact that you need guys that can play. Maybe the team is tired of having to get major snaps from trash DBs.
Are the Giants encouraging opponents to try to beat them with the run? And daring them to pass?
Are the Giants encouraging opponents to try to beat them with the run? And daring them to pass?
Not with Hankins and Snacks at DT they arent
Are the Giants encouraging opponents to try to beat them with the run? And daring them to pass?
The Harrison signing would seem to poke holes in that theory.
Yeah, when Spags was pumping up Hosley who sadly was the best option at corner with both Prince and DRC out. This team just doesn't get injuries to players they get injuries to entire units. On this team injuries are contagious.
Dood that is the shit that shouldn't be named ! Let's hope that is not the case..
The other thing with Apple, it may not be that The Giants don't view him as the starting slot guy, maybe they view him as replacing someone else sooner rather than later.
CB Leon Hall left Giants facility without a contract. Fact-finding mission for both sides.