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Our GM trusts Newhouse, Jerry, Hart etc

Essex : 5/3/2016 8:22 am
When he said yesterday that we have the answers on our roster to the right side of the line, I thought, at first, he was giving his normal puffery. But, then, I just thought about it in the second and every piece of available evidence makes the statement true. He declined to address it in FA when their were plenty of options and he declined to address it in the draft. At bottom, he just has a different opinion of that side of the line than the vast majority of fans and beat reporters. I don't see any realistic possibility of changing that before the season(doubt we do anything for Davis and if we are holding out or planning for that--which I don't think we are--we are just dumb).

Flowers Pugh Richburg Jerry/Hart Newhouse is our offensive line this year not because there were not better alternatives, but because our GM did not think anything out there was worth replacing them with. He has a lot of confidence in them, we will see if he is right.
Still need a back up swing T.  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/3/2016 8:24 am : link
IMO badly.
you know what you have in Jerry. Decent pass blocker, horrid run  
Victor in CT : 5/3/2016 8:26 am : link
blocker. One of the main reasons they can't get a 3rd and short when they need it. If Hart can take that job and move the pile while being a decent pass blocker that's an upgrade. Newhouse is meh, but again, if Adams or another signee are decent blocking TEs that would help solidify the right side. Or maybe an upgrade at RT gets cut before or during camp. Big ifs. We'll have to wait and see.
I believe the bottom line is  
USAF NYG Fan : 5/3/2016 8:27 am : link
although they would like to improve the right side of the line, it's not the need many of us are making it out to be. I'm sure they would like to improve every position on the team but the right side is closer to the top than others. I wouldn't say that will be the line moving forward though. There are still June 1st cuts to be made and trade possibilities.

We were not expecting to get DRC but that's what happened. I'm sure the Redskins were not expecting Norman to become available but he did. You never know between now and the start of the season.
RE: Still need a back up swing T.  
Victor in CT : 5/3/2016 8:27 am : link
In comment 12942378 LauderdaleMatty said:
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IMO badly.


That's really what Newhouse would be great at.
If Reese said Santa Claus is real  
Giants2012 : 5/3/2016 8:27 am : link
Some would believe him.
If that was true, then they wouldn't have been linked to Okung, et al  
Bill L : 5/3/2016 8:27 am : link
Maybe it is true wrt the draft and udfa's but I don't see any indication of satisfaction or complacency.
Do you really think the GM  
Beer Man : 5/3/2016 8:28 am : link
would say anything else? Of course they are not happy with the right side of their line. But he is not going to publicly humiliate players that he may have to use, and he is not going to make the other teams think the Giants are desperate. My guess, they are doing everything they can behind the scenes to remedy the right side of the O-line
Giants2012  
Samiam : 5/3/2016 8:32 am : link
He's not?
They've got confidence in them in the sense  
JonC : 5/3/2016 8:36 am : link
they're determined to not overpay for players battling injuries and who might well be past their primes, and when you've got too many holes to fill in one offseason, you do the best you can and go to battle.
RE: Do you really think the GM  
djstat : 5/3/2016 8:40 am : link
In comment 12942392 Beer Man said:
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would say anything else? Of course they are not happy with the right side of their line. But he is not going to publicly humiliate players that he may have to use, and he is not going to make the other teams think the Giants are desperate. My guess, they are doing everything they can behind the scenes to remedy the right side of the O-line
Agreed
Agreed Jon..We have clearly upgraded (at least on paper)  
Big Blue '56 : 5/3/2016 8:42 am : link
key areas of concern on both sides of the ball..We did pretty well last year with this so-called "crap" on the right side, so we'll more than survive with them and Hart, imo..If we had to that is..I don't believe we're finished there yet..But as you know, today's league is about lots of depth and that's what we're hopefully building towards
I think he has some confidence in them because there  
Essex : 5/3/2016 8:44 am : link
were replacements out there and he has bypassed them, he plainly has some confidence in them, much more than we do. I am not saying I agree with him, but his actions plainly show that it was not an urgent need in his opinion.
RE: I think he has some confidence in them because there  
Big Blue '56 : 5/3/2016 9:00 am : link
In comment 12942427 Essex said:
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were replacements out there and he has bypassed them, he plainly has some confidence in them, much more than we do. I am not saying I agree with him, but his actions plainly show that it was not an urgent need in his opinion.


And it wasn't for a lack of trying. We had Penn scheduled to come in but he never got on the plane..Okung was in, but decided to sign elsewhere..I don't believe we're done and I'm hoping a still not so old Slauson can be signed
I don't think so  
chris r : 5/3/2016 9:02 am : link
this was a terrible roster with lots of holes. He couldn't fix it all in one offseason.
Hopefully,  
Simms11 : 5/3/2016 9:17 am : link
a few of the guys that Solari is familiar with, that we brought in, can stay on as solid depth. If we don't pick up another veteran this year, we'll have to jump on oline next year in Free Agency and Draft. We need to keep restocking depth on both lines and work to develop those players.
JonC  
arniefez : 5/3/2016 9:51 am : link
Aren't they still 22 million under the cap?
Who are they going to sign?  
JonC : 5/3/2016 10:08 am : link
The problem is dearth of options, and the cost of the options that were formerly available.
How about signing the guy the Bears just cut  
arniefez : 5/3/2016 10:11 am : link
And putting Pugh back at RT. That would be a big improvement. The OL would benefit greatly from a good veteran mentor. Everything written about this guy says he would be ideal.
They want Pugh at LG  
JonC : 5/3/2016 10:12 am : link
and to leave the left side as is. Hart is getting first crack to battle Jerry at RG, the need is at RT.
I think Pugh is a weak RT. Certainly better than Newhouse, but weak  
Victor in CT : 5/3/2016 10:14 am : link
leave that left side in tact, plug in Hart at RG, get a TE who can block
Jake Rodgers, baby!  
Klaatu : 5/3/2016 10:17 am : link
Go get 'em, Big Jake!!!
Pugh  
Percy : 5/3/2016 10:19 am : link
For crying out loud, leave this guy where he is for a change and let the left side of the line evolve. If a better RT becomes available or Newhouse fails, fix it, but not with Pugh.
RE: They want Pugh at LG  
BillT : 5/3/2016 10:32 am : link
In comment 12942617 JonC said:
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and to leave the left side as is. Hart is getting first crack to battle Jerry at RG, the need is at RT.

I got the impression Hart was being worked at RT as much or more than RG. Hard to tell from the limited reports but that's what I got.
BillT  
JonC : 5/3/2016 10:34 am : link
Probably, but their UFA and draft targets have all been RT prospects. If Hart were to win RT, your RG would be Jerry. Egads.
RE: Jake Rodgers, baby!  
Big Blue '56 : 5/3/2016 10:36 am : link
In comment 12942628 Klaatu said:
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Go get 'em, Big Jake!!!


Rodgers or Long? I'm blanking
It's jerry/Hart and Newhouse right side of line  
micky : 5/3/2016 11:24 am : link
Deal with it. Til next offseason and see what transpires..if not a couple of seasons
So, my take is this:  
Randy in CT : 5/3/2016 11:34 am : link
The Giants are aware of the O-line's shortcomings.

They looked at the draft and value didn't match with picks.

Instead of loading up with UDFAs who rarely pan out, they have decided to add guys as cuts come. Remember, some good players will be released for a variety of reasons. This is where we will add perhaps 4 guys. 4 proven guys who can step in and play.
RE: RE: Jake Rodgers, baby!  
Klaatu : 5/3/2016 11:36 am : link
In comment 12942672 Big Blue '56 said:
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Go get 'em, Big Jake!!!



Rodgers or Long? I'm blanking


Rodgers. One of the kids we signed just prior to the draft. 7th round pick by the Falcons last year, from Eastern Washington.
Look .....  
Reb8thVA : 5/3/2016 11:40 am : link
I am one of the biggest pain in the asses about the RT position but its like Jon C said, the team has made a conscious decision about how to allocate resources. You don't have to like it. I don't. I would have made different choices and gambled in different areas. However it is what it is and this is the personnel we are probably going into battle with this season.
RE: I believe the bottom line is  
dust_bowl : 5/3/2016 12:03 pm : link
In comment 12942382 USAF NYG Fan said:
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although they would like to improve the right side of the line, it's not the need many of us are making it out to be. I'm sure they would like to improve every position on the team but the right side is closer to the top than others. I wouldn't say that will be the line moving forward though. There are still June 1st cuts to be made and trade possibilities.

We were not expecting to get DRC but that's what happened. I'm sure the Redskins were not expecting Norman to become available but he did. You never know between now and the start of the season.
its the biggest need on the team right now. You can't win a super bowl with Jerry and Newhouse. That being said I am very happy about our offseason right now and I do think they will add someone on the right.

Btw, when an o linemen gets hurt as he will, we have no depth.
Newhouse did a solid job  
Rambo : 5/3/2016 12:22 pm : link
before he got injured. Once he came back he struggled. I think they like Hart a lot more than they are willing to let on and the battle will be between Hart, Jerry and Newhouse and perhaps some of the other recent pick ups we have made or will make.
John Jerry is a strength  
emobj999 : 5/3/2016 12:24 pm : link
And nobody other than JJ is starting at RG.

The sooner u guys come to this realization and stop wasting ur time talking about it, the better.

And no, Hart has no chance of beating out Jerry. Zero chance.
RE: RE: I believe the bottom line is  
emobj999 : 5/3/2016 12:26 pm : link
In comment 12942859 dust_bowl said:
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although they would like to improve the right side of the line, it's not the need many of us are making it out to be. I'm sure they would like to improve every position on the team but the right side is closer to the top than others. I wouldn't say that will be the line moving forward though. There are still June 1st cuts to be made and trade possibilities.

We were not expecting to get DRC but that's what happened. I'm sure the Redskins were not expecting Norman to become available but he did. You never know between now and the start of the season.

its the biggest need on the team right now. You can't win a super bowl with Jerry and Newhouse. That being said I am very happy about our offseason right now and I do think they will add someone on the right.

Btw, when an o linemen gets hurt as he will, we have no depth.


"You can't win a Super Bowl with Jerry and Newhouse"

How the hell do you know? What a silly thing to say.

The Giants won 2 SBs with David Diehl at LT. Diehl makes Newhouse look like a good pass blocker.
RE: Newhouse did a solid job  
emobj999 : 5/3/2016 12:27 pm : link
In comment 12942896 Rambo said:
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before he got injured. Once he came back he struggled. I think they like Hart a lot more than they are willing to let on and the battle will be between Hart, Jerry and Newhouse and perhaps some of the other recent pick ups we have made or will make.



Hart was lining up with the 2nd team...at RT.

Jerry is entrenched as the starter. The HC is very high on JJ and he will make the call.
RE: John Jerry is a strength  
Victor in CT : 5/3/2016 12:28 pm : link
In comment 12942904 emobj999 said:
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And nobody other than JJ is starting at RG.

The sooner u guys come to this realization and stop wasting ur time talking about it, the better.

And no, Hart has no chance of beating out Jerry. Zero chance.


AGAIN, open your eyes and get Jerry's cock out of your mouth. We don't know yet if Hart can claim the job, but he certainly has a chance and will be given every opportunity because Jerry is a fucking ham and egger.

RE: RE: John Jerry is a strength  
emobj999 : 5/3/2016 12:36 pm : link
In comment 12942916 Victor in CT said:
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And nobody other than JJ is starting at RG.

The sooner u guys come to this realization and stop wasting ur time talking about it, the better.

And no, Hart has no chance of beating out Jerry. Zero chance.



AGAIN, open your eyes and get Jerry's cock out of your mouth. We don't know yet if Hart can claim the job, but he certainly has a chance and will be given every opportunity because Jerry is a fucking ham and egger.


No he won't be, the HC is a big JJ guy and that is who will start.

The Packers won a Super Bowl with Newhouse at LT.  
Klaatu : 5/3/2016 12:40 pm : link
Chew on that for a while. Of course, right after that they couldn't wait to run him out of Green Bay, and then he stunk up the joint in Cincinnati.

Jerry's bitch is right, though - JJ will most likely start for us at RG. But that's mostly by default, because his competition for the job is very weak...so far.

Also, his contention that McAdoo loves him is projection, at best. McAdoo's praise has hardly been effusive, and he's made it clear that upgrading the O-Line, if possible, is still in their plans.
RE: The Packers won a Super Bowl with Newhouse at LT.  
mac attack : 5/3/2016 12:52 pm : link
In comment 12942946 Klaatu said:
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Chew on that for a while. Of course, right after that they couldn't wait to run him out of Green Bay, and then he stunk up the joint in Cincinnati.

Jerry's bitch is right, though - JJ will most likely start for us at RG. But that's mostly by default, because his competition for the job is very weak...so far.

Also, his contention that McAdoo loves him is projection, at best. McAdoo's praise has hardly been effusive, and he's made it clear that upgrading the O-Line, if possible, is still in their plans.


Newhouse did not play a single game for the 2010 Packers
Newhouse..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/3/2016 12:54 pm : link
did start the majority of 2011 while the Packers went 15-1 though.

We know how that season ended.
A good GM is only really satisfied with a select few positions  
steve in ky : 5/3/2016 12:54 pm : link
I think they are always looking to upgrade most positions if they are able to and that they likley never feel that units as a whole such as OL, Dl, LB, ete can't be upgraded.

Things may not always fall right for them but I doubt he went into the season thinking "I'm not even looking to touch the OL"
RE: RE: The Packers won a Super Bowl with Newhouse at LT.  
Klaatu : 5/3/2016 12:55 pm : link
In comment 12942973 mac attack said:
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Chew on that for a while. Of course, right after that they couldn't wait to run him out of Green Bay, and then he stunk up the joint in Cincinnati.

Jerry's bitch is right, though - JJ will most likely start for us at RG. But that's mostly by default, because his competition for the job is very weak...so far.

Also, his contention that McAdoo loves him is projection, at best. McAdoo's praise has hardly been effusive, and he's made it clear that upgrading the O-Line, if possible, is still in their plans.



Newhouse did not play a single game for the 2010 Packers


You're right. My bad. It was 2011, when they went 15-1, but lost to us in the playoffs.
RE: RE: Do you really think the GM  
Carson53 : 5/3/2016 2:50 pm : link
In comment 12942418 djstat said:
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would say anything else? Of course they are not happy with the right side of their line. But he is not going to publicly humiliate players that he may have to use, and he is not going to make the other teams think the Giants are desperate. My guess, they are doing everything they can behind the scenes to remedy the right side of the O-line

Agreed







Yep, what else is he going to say.
I don't think he truly believes it, called PR rhetoric.











Oline  
Big_Pete : 5/3/2016 4:16 pm : link
I would have liked to see us add Oline in the draft, but let's not panic. The front office seem to have reasonable confidence in the guys we have.

There is still a ways to go in the offseason and we have cap room so we could still add players if the right guy shakes loose.

Fair enough the right side of the line did not perform as well as we liked, but let's not forget we have a new Oline coach who has been successful in multiple stops, let's see what he does here, he certainly has plans.
Well of course he does  
The Tempest : 5/3/2016 4:44 pm : link
Did you know our last GM trusted Ian Allen to start at right tackle in 2003?
if the right side of the O line  
Jersey55 : 5/3/2016 4:53 pm : link
plays like crap again this year I think it will be Reese's ticket out of town....
RE: RE: RE: The Packers won a Super Bowl with Newhouse at LT.  
BigBlueinChicago : 5/3/2016 5:17 pm : link
In comment 12942980 Klaatu said:
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You're right. My bad. It was 2011, when they went 15-1, but lost to us in the playoffs.


And in the 2nd half when the Giants defense turned up the pressure against Rodgers, it was Newhouse in the middle of all of it that day too.


I never heard Reese say "trust"  
TheShade : 5/3/2016 10:38 pm : link
He's giving his usual rhetoric on players whenever he gets interviewed. He's not going to come out and just say they are looking for better options over what they have. He just said that's why they have there right now. Its still months away from the start of the season. Don't read anything into it yet until training camp actually starts.
Reese knows that the window for Eli is getting smaller every  
Jersey55 : 5/4/2016 11:26 am : link
year and he can sit and wait to hope for something to happen at RT, he has to make it happen and soon.
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