NFT: Possible Misidentification of Iwo Jima Flag Raiser...

Thing was staged anyway.

of the original flag raising (and a larger flag). I don't think that has ever been a mystery.

Yes it was a the "second" flag raising but only because the original couldnt be see from the beach. There is color film showing the second flag raising which matches exactly to Rosenthals picture.

In comment 12942783 BamaBlue said:

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of the original flag raising (and a larger flag). I don't think that has ever been a mystery.

oh ok. So it happened spur of the moment first and then they did again to picture?

There are pictures of the first flag raised on Mt Suribachi, but none of the raising itself.

[img]http://www.flagid.org/vexphotos/iwojima2.jpg[/img

The flag was replaced later that same day. The Marines put up the flag to boost the morale of the men on the beaches, but it was too small to be seen well, so they sent up a bigger flag. That is the one seen in the Rosenthal picture.

No one ever said it was "spur of the moment", you idiotic clown. The men who raised the first flag were given it by their battalion commander before setting out on their mission to take the summit. He told them to raise the flag when they took the hill, so that the Marines on the beaches could see it and cheer.

In comment 12942819 Greg from LI said:

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There are pictures of the first flag raised on Mt Suribachi, but none of the raising itself. [img]http://www.flagid.org/vexphotos/iwojima2.jpg[/img The flag was replaced later that same day. The Marines put up the flag to boost the morale of the men on the beaches, but it was too small to be seen well, so they sent up a bigger flag. That is the one seen in the Rosenthal picture.

woah nut job. I had been told there is some controversy around it. I questioned the original poster and we answered I took his word. Though the only evidence it wasn't staged seems to be from the photographer himself. Sorry to speak without your permission. I'm a bit skeptical because during the Iraq war the us staged various things such as toppling husseins statues, etc.

It's hard to find someone who hates America as much as you. As our prime tenet is free speech and you seem to equate that with trolling. If you hate our country just say so.

at all is a mystery. Let him fade into well-deserved oblivion, Greg.

There was a Marine infantry company tasked with taking the summit. They were told to raise a flag. They did so. The flag wasn't easily seen from the beaches, so a larger flag replaced it. The end. I know it must be exceedingly difficult for your poor, overtaxed brain to handle much more than breathing without drooling all over yourself, but what exactly about this do you find difficult to understand?

Should I try putting the story into pictograms for you?

To continue to post despite multiple accounts is a mystery.

That, and he is a raging cunt.

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It's hard to find someone who hates America as much as you. As our prime tenet is free speech and you seem to equate that with trolling. If you hate our country just say so.

Isn't that rich coming from the same stain who rants about Andrew Jackson's support of genocide and how Americans gloss over all the atrocities done years ago.

I think moondawg has the best advice. Just let the fucker talk to himself, especially since he's been given the OK to post continuous, ridiculous shit on probably his 4th or 5th handle.

In comment 12942861 Rob in CT/NYC said:

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To continue to post despite multiple accounts is a mystery. That, and he is a raging cunt.

lol I have and always had this name. Get over yourself.

In comment 12942867 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Quote: It's hard to find someone who hates America as much as you. As our prime tenet is free speech and you seem to equate that with trolling. If you hate our country just say so. Isn't that rich coming from the same stain who rants about Andrew Jackson's support of genocide and how Americans gloss over all the atrocities done years ago. I think moondawg has the best advice. Just let the fucker talk to himself, especially since he's been given the OK to post continuous, ridiculous shit on probably his 4th or 5th handle.

lol pointing out Jackson committed genicide is anti American? There must be a lot of anti germanists out there who acknowledge the holocaust. I guess only real Germans deny it. Ah simple little minds.

my example is better than saying Greg hates America because he finds you to be a sniveling, ridiculous fuckstain.

At least Greg is right on the money.

In comment 12942876 dust_bowl said:

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In comment 12942861 Rob in CT/NYC said: Quote: To continue to post despite multiple accounts is a mystery. That, and he is a raging cunt. lol I have and always had this name. Get over yourself.

Plus bruce_in_nj, twat.

One of the most famous pictures in US military history and you still need lessons.

The first raising was photographed too. But the photographer of the 2nd flag raising beat submitting his picture to the AP(iirc) ahead of the 1st photog by a few minutes and was given the credit.
But Greg is 100% correct. The 1st flag was too small to be seen on the beach and at sea. The second flag was much larger and could even be seen offshore on the ships.

It was said that that picture guaranteed the US Marines existence for the next 500 years.

could criticize that photo and the events surrounding it. What an ass

get your facts straight. It is Greg who hates America!

a Mets game thread. BTW... the '69 World Series was staged.

In comment 12942882 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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my example is better than saying Greg hates America because he finds you to be a sniveling, ridiculous fuckstain. At least Greg is right on the money.

that was an intelligent argument. You are quite articulate. I feel like I'm a court of law you could use similar logic and the jury would be eating out of your palms.

Btw, since this went over your head, I don't think Greg hates America as he sees it.

In comment 12942860 Greg from LI said:

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There was a Marine infantry company tasked with taking the summit. They were told to raise a flag. They did so. The flag wasn't easily seen from the beaches, so a larger flag replaced it. The end. I know it must be exceedingly difficult for your poor, overtaxed brain to handle much more than breathing without drooling all over yourself, but what exactly about this do you find difficult to understand? Should I try putting the story into pictograms for you?

Just to add, those who raised the second flag were still under fire.

In comment 12942886 section125 said:

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One of the most famous pictures in US military history and you still need lessons. The first raising was photographed too. But the photographer of the 2nd flag raising beat submitting his picture to the AP(iirc) ahead of the 1st photog by a few minutes and was given the credit. But Greg is 100% correct. The 1st flag was too small to be seen on the beach and at sea. The second flag was much larger and could even be seen offshore on the ships. It was said that that picture guaranteed the US Marines existence for the next 500 years.

I am not a history buff in the symbolic sense. I do think what those marines did was incredible and my grandfather was part of it. I would have pisses my pants. My general critique, seems incomprehensible to some, is that our brave troops are too often used to suit the needs of the powerful interests who run this country. This at times has lead to the military using photo ops, like during the Iraq war. I spend my time donating money to soldiers who have come back and are struggling to find jobs, their sanity, etc. Peopke who our politicians turn their back on time and time again. Last I read about this a decade ago there was controversy it was staged. I have been persuaded here it wasn't. The troll label I am given is a natural reaction to those who can't argue on content. Their blindness of the reality of the way soldiers are used here by elites does far more damage to real people then pointing out an old president of ours gave hitter a run for his money in genocide. The fact that people are bothered by me pointing this out illustrates a deeply indoctrinated mindset that blinds them of the ability of rational introspection. I am not a troll and haven't done anything to anybody but speak my thoughts in defiance of a bunch of people stuck with a high school mob mentality. Luckily their influence over society is limited, there way of thinking dying, as the new generation of Americans are seeing things as they are, and not how their history textbooks tell them it is. We have a powerful state controlled media here that's far more effective then Stalin could dream of. So I don't blame fat man or Gregg. They simple couldn't overcome a very effective system.

Harlan Block, Mike Strank, and Frank Sousley. So was Bill Genaust, the Marine combat photographer who shot the color video footage of the second flag raising.

if I could just buck the system to write a garbled mess of a lengthy paragraph, replete with grammatical, syntax and spelling errors like that last one, I would have a much better grasp of history!!


Oh, I'd sound like a mouth-breathing twat, but I'd know my history!! Fuck off Stalin!!

Great song, great singer, about a great man, Cpl. Ira Hayes USMC
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In comment 12942993 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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if I could just buck the system to write a garbled mess of a lengthy paragraph, replete with grammatical, syntax and spelling errors like that last one, I would have a much better grasp of history!! Oh, I'd sound like a mouth-breathing twat, but I'd know my history!! Fuck off Stalin!!

once again responding to content is beyond you. You try rush typing on a phone at work and see how well you do. But again, no response on the content cause it is so far above you you literally can't fathom it.

In comment 12943004 Greg from LI said:

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Great song, great singer, about a great man, Cpl. Ira Hayes USMC Link - ( New Window )

you would put cash. Townes did a much better version.

Content? Like this first post of yours?

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The dust_bowl : 11:20 am : link : reply Thing was staged anyway.

Chock full of content. I can't argue content with somebody who continually misrepresents facts and then plays the card that the rest of us are misled by textbooks when called on his stupidity.

You can't argue content with a poster who presents factually incorrect statements and sticks by it, even when shown it is wrong.

That's why you're called a troll. The multiple handle thing is why you're called a dupe. And for the rest of the shit you post, that's why you're called a moron or worse.

"well, I had read somewhere years ago that it was staged"

Content!

WW2 buff, but that picture always emotionally affected me. Hard to put myself in the spot of those young men who were out there in miserable conditions facing death but somehow the picture, whether "staged" or not brings it home for me.

In comment 12943034 Metnut said:

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WW2 buff, but that picture always emotionally affected me. Hard to put myself in the spot of those young men who were out there in miserable conditions facing death but somehow the picture, whether "staged" or not brings it home for me.

The way I look at it is whether "staged" or not they were under fire when the picture was taken.

In comment 12943021 Greg from LI said:

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"well, I had read somewhere years ago that it was staged" Content!

what an embarrassing comment to make. I'd be really ashamed to debate in such a way. Just another response where you can't respond with content.

Bruce_in_nj think?

Fucking troll...

I gave you content - the basic story of what happened and why it happened, which completely invalidated your spurious accusation.

Where's your content, dickcheese?

In comment 12943466 Greg from LI said:

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I gave you content - the basic story of what happened and why it happened, which completely invalidated your spurious accusation. Where's your content, dickcheese?

I'm not debating that. As I stated it seems the photographer is the only realistic person disputing the staging. Ill take his word on that. I'm perfectly happy to be wrong about something. The problem is here is you are not. So when I say Andrew Jackson committed genicide you respond by calling me a troll. When someone explained it wasn't staged I responded with a question, read his answer, and accepted it as fact. I didn't call him a troll or dick cheese.

As for the accusation being spurious that's bs. There was and is still a controversy surrounding that day. There is no controversy around jacksons genocide.

And I didn't say one word about him.

Give me a citation of the supposed "controversy" regarding the Rosenthal photo that doesn't come from DU or Infowars. Let's see some CONTENT!

Is certainly being a dickcheese. And using one to back up another makes you a pussy.

In comment 12943501 Rob in CT/NYC said:

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Is certainly being a dickcheese. And using one to back up another makes you a pussy.

I have one account. But nice try.

In comment 12943500 Greg from LI said:

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And I didn't say one word about him. Give me a citation of the supposed "controversy" regarding the Rosenthal photo that doesn't come from DU or Infowars. Let's see some CONTENT!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Flag_on_Iwo_Jima

This is the source I read. There is still a controversy but as I said after reading about it today I do lean towards it being real. There was a staged photo right after that was separate. But it is mainly the photographers word saying it was real, and from reading his quotes I trust him.

Now going forward I hope you will have the civility I have even when we disagree. Btw, you did call me a troll when commenting on Andrew Jackson.

In comment 12943513 dust_bowl said:

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In comment 12943501 Rob in CT/NYC said: Quote: Is certainly being a dickcheese. And using one to back up another makes you a pussy. I have one account. But nice try.

You are a liar as well a coward then.

which one of these are you counting?
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"I am not a history buff in the symbolic sense."

In comment 12943541 AP in Halfmoon said:

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"I am not a history buff in the symbolic sense."

it means I read real history not the propaganda bs surrounding symbolic pictures. Ww 2 was a colonial war in which millions of innocent people died. While I strongly respect the sacrifices by soldiers on all sides I find no historical value in studying symbolic pictures that act to obscure the reality of the war.

In comment 12943569 dust_bowl said:

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I find no historical value in studying symbolic pictures that act to obscure the reality of the war.

So instead you just spout off ignorantly about such pictures? Seems like an odd choice.

In comment 12943572 Mad Mike said:

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In comment 12943569 dust_bowl said: Quote: I find no historical value in studying symbolic pictures that act to obscure the reality of the war. So instead you just spout off ignorantly about such pictures? Seems like an odd choice.

nothing about what I said was ignorant. I cited a recent source showing much controversy on the subject. To pretend their isn't is just being dishonest. The guy admits to staging one picture but denies the flag picture. After reading more I tend to believe him. Imagine that. Changing ones thoughts.

you are pretty content free.

Content requires facts to be right, balanced context and precision and nuance

I have yet to see a NFT thread in which you appear when the content was factually correct even when i hold the same general opinion.

Its actually an amazing performance. And considering such arrogance and shitty attitude to other posters you do no homework and really just make shit up

Factless, poor context, imprecision, black and white thinking combined with arrogance ( always certain and rarely right) and your blatent neediness of an emotional payoff from being annoying ( and on the internet where no mask is required what traits you display is who you really are) leaves you the reigning Uschi Digard of the long long list of clowns flaunting their perpetual first swollen trimester in Eric's Masterwork: Beyond the Valley of the BBI Ultra Boobs

In comment 12943581 Bill2 said:

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you are pretty content free. Content requires facts to be right, balanced context and precision and nuance I have yet to see a NFT thread in which you appear when the content was factually correct even when i hold the same general opinion. Its actually an amazing performance. And considering such arrogance and shitty attitude to other posters you do no homework and really just make shit up Factless, poor context, imprecision, black and white thinking combined with arrogance ( always certain and rarely right) and your blatent neediness of an emotional payoff from being annoying ( and on the internet where no mask is required what traits you display is who you really are) leaves you the reigning Uschi Digard of the long long list of clowns flaunting their perpetual first swollen trimester in Eric's Masterwork: Beyond the Valley of the BBI Ultra Boobs

really? Yet I don't see one topic you have cited. What am I wrong on? Care to elaborate? No you have nothing of content to say other then you are right and I am wrong. You got nothing. What do you agree with me with? What did you disagree with? Or do you prefer to speek vaguely absent of content? I think so.

as the few who raised the flag. We should be equally grateful to them all.

spent as much time as I wish to.

Free Speech in America as it was meant to be and all.

So I know you support the decision.