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ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 11:44 am
Harvey day! Can he keep it going after a much better effort his last time out??

Wright still tinkering with stance. Getting results.

Duda could be on the verge of a huge year.

Harper wins player of the month over Conforto.
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I'm just waiting for the "dead arm" excuse.  
PhiPsi125 : 5/3/2016 8:54 pm : link
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Amazing that guy was a bull  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 8:54 pm : link
pitching our last game of the WS for 8 shutout innings just last November.

There has to be an explanation. Either he's not in game shape yet, which really seems ridiculous this late in the season, he's hurt... I just don't get it.
RE: He's topping out at 91-92 now  
allstarjim : 5/3/2016 8:55 pm : link
In comment 12943752 CMicks3110 said:
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I even saw an 89 once. This guy should take a break and just get his arm in shape because he doesn't look prepared to throw at the ML level


Hey did you ever work as a bartender in Casselberry, FL?
The word is out  
EJV79 : 5/3/2016 8:55 pm : link
Run wild on the bases against the mets
Well...  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 8:57 pm : link
Flip side this is one of those annoying ass games that would be so much sweeter if we can come back and win. Lets chip away.
We should be able to overcome a three run deficit  
PhiPsi125 : 5/3/2016 8:58 pm : link
Let's go!
Freaking Cy Wisler  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 8:59 pm : link
and his one-hitter. Come on.
RE: Ugh.  
1MoreSB : 5/3/2016 9:01 pm : link
In comment 12943734 ZGiants98 said:
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Plawecki is SOOOO bad offensively. Holy shit.

Plawecki is an automatic out, I think he batted about .217 last year and he may well bat below 200 this year. He cannot hit major league pitching..
Wow.  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 9:05 pm : link
I think Id rather take a punch to the dick. This game suckz.
I just don't get it  
Rflairr : 5/3/2016 9:05 pm : link
He looked good in Spring Training. One has to wonder if he had something other than just a bladder infection. How do you go from having arguably the best stuff in baseball to a guy that would probably be sent to AAA if he was a prospect with options. Teams are hitting over .400 against him with RISP. And he's really only faced one good lineup
RE: RE: Ugh.  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 9:06 pm : link
In comment 12943778 1MoreSB said:
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In comment 12943734 ZGiants98 said:


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Plawecki is SOOOO bad offensively. Holy shit.


Plawecki is an automatic out, I think he batted about .217 last year and he may well bat below 200 this year. He cannot hit major league pitching..


Awful. Dan and I both said it. He should have started in AAA. He was rushed through there last year and never even conquered Vegas. Defensively, his throws have been pretty bad the last few days anyway. Get well soon TDA.
RE: I just don't get it  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 9:08 pm : link
In comment 12943782 Rflairr said:
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He looked good in Spring Training. One has to wonder if he had something other than just a bladder infection. How do you go from having arguably the best stuff in baseball to a guy that would probably be sent to AAA if he was a prospect with options. Teams are hitting over .400 against him with RISP. And he's really only faced one good lineup


I don't know. Others disagree. I am hanging my hat on his last outing against the Reds. His velocity was back to 2015 levels, his Ks were up, and his walks were down. That doesn't excuse how bad he's been so far though. Every other start has been pretty bad.
Christ.  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 9:21 pm : link
Just give Wisler the Cy Young and lets go home. Hole shit. At least the Gnats are finally losing.
Maybe he's hitting the slopes on his off days.  
arcarsenal : 5/3/2016 9:32 pm : link
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I hate this game lol  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 9:38 pm : link
Plus side with a loss we are on pace to win 104 games. :)
Z  
Jay on the Island : 5/3/2016 9:38 pm : link
At one point last year Wisler was the Braves #1 prospect. That was before the draft and before several trades but he isn't some nobody if that makes you feel better. Wisler has the potential to be a great #3 pitcher. He has been very inconsistent prior to his last two starts.
RE: Z  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 9:39 pm : link
In comment 12943858 Jay on the Island said:
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At one point last year Wisler was the Braves #1 prospect. That was before the draft and before several trades but he isn't some nobody if that makes you feel better. Wisler has the potential to be a great #3 pitcher. He has been very inconsistent prior to his last two starts.


I know he's pretty good Jay. He gave us fits last time too. Im mainly just fucking around.
Harvey  
sphinx : 5/3/2016 9:39 pm : link
has lost control of his pitches. He hasn't close to the command he's had previously. Pitches are all over the place, in the dirt way high. His pitches aren't missing by a little.

4/22 vs Atl he only walked 1 but it took him 101 pitches to get thru 5.0 innings.

4/27 vs Cin he only walked 1 but it took him 102 pitches to get thru 6.0 innings.

Tonight he only walked 2 but it took him 101 pitches to get thru 5.2 innings.

By comparison, last night against this same team Colon went 8.0 innings, walked 0 and threw just 99 pitches.

My 2 cents.

Im sorry he struggled in his last start  
Jay on the Island : 5/3/2016 9:40 pm : link
it was two starts ago where he pitched excellent.
Z  
Jay on the Island : 5/3/2016 9:42 pm : link
ok it was hard to tell. Wisler has been a frustrating performer thus far but he is only 23. He has games like today and then he will follow it up with a 5 inning 4 ER game next time.
RE: Harvey  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 9:44 pm : link
In comment 12943860 sphinx said:
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has lost control of his pitches. He hasn't close to the command he's had previously. Pitches are all over the place, in the dirt way high. His pitches aren't missing by a little.

4/22 vs Atl he only walked 1 but it took him 101 pitches to get thru 5.0 innings.

4/27 vs Cin he only walked 1 but it took him 102 pitches to get thru 6.0 innings.

Tonight he only walked 2 but it took him 101 pitches to get thru 5.2 innings.

By comparison, last night against this same team Colon went 8.0 innings, walked 0 and threw just 99 pitches.

My 2 cents.


While I agree with you Colon is a pitch to contact type of guy. A lot of our strikeout pitchers will have high counts in the 6th simply BECAUSE they are striking guys out. I wouldn't compare this start to the Cincinnati one at all either. Its night and day for me. He was awful tonight. Im praying its because he's sick as shit because tonight was embarrassing. Worst game yet IMO.
I can't believe Mallex Smith hit a HR  
Jay on the Island : 5/3/2016 9:45 pm : link
he has really come on after a very slow start just like he did last year in AAA. He is likely a 2-3 home run per year type of player though.
RE: Z  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 9:45 pm : link
In comment 12943867 Jay on the Island said:
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ok it was hard to tell. Wisler has been a frustrating performer thus far but he is only 23. He has games like today and then he will follow it up with a 5 inning 4 ER game next time.


Looks like he has good stuff to me. Was hitting 95. Getting a lot of groundouts on that sinker. He's clearly tough when its all working.
The game isn't over guys  
Jay on the Island : 5/3/2016 9:47 pm : link
Fredi Gonzalez will probably bring in one of his shitty relievers like O'Flaherty or Jim Johnson rather than Vizcaino who is a great young reliever who is underused for god knows why.
RE: RE: Z  
Jay on the Island : 5/3/2016 9:48 pm : link
In comment 12943874 ZGiants98 said:
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ok it was hard to tell. Wisler has been a frustrating performer thus far but he is only 23. He has games like today and then he will follow it up with a 5 inning 4 ER game next time.



Looks like he has good stuff to me. Was hitting 95. Getting a lot of groundouts on that sinker. He's clearly tough when its all working.

He has the stuff but it's all a matter of consistency with him.
Well Matz needs to take  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 9:49 pm : link
the series tomorrow afternoon and all is good. I like that Matz is pitching with the very hot Freeman suddenly. Hopefully it helps neutralize that a little.
Boy  
allstarjim : 5/3/2016 9:49 pm : link
that Braves third baseman has a schnoz on him.
Go Royals?  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 9:50 pm : link
I might need to wash my mouth out after saying that. lol
Vizcaino  
Jay on the Island : 5/3/2016 9:51 pm : link
is a beast.
RE: RE: Harvey  
sphinx : 5/3/2016 9:59 pm : link
In comment 12943871 ZGiants98 said:
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He was awful tonight. Im praying its because he's sick as shit because tonight was embarrassing. Worst game yet IMO.


It's freakin May 3. Why is someone who is "sick as shit" pitching? Not asking you, Z, just mumbling.

RE: RE: RE: Harvey  
PhiPsi125 : 5/3/2016 10:10 pm : link
In comment 12943908 sphinx said:
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He was awful tonight. Im praying its because he's sick as shit because tonight was embarrassing. Worst game yet IMO.



It's freakin May 3. Why is someone who is "sick as shit" pitching? Not asking you, Z, just mumbling.


Because it's likely bullshit. If you are well enough to pitch, then I don't want to hear about it. If you are truly that sick, then he wouldn't be pitching, period.
Well the doctors  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 10:16 pm : link
felt he was sick enough to have him hooked up to an IV this afternoon. Not disagreeing with you guys. Just venting/rationalizing with you...
RE: Go Royals?  
spike : 5/3/2016 10:18 pm : link
In comment 12943890 ZGiants98 said:
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I might need to wash my mouth out after saying that. lol


Nats up 5-3
RE: Well the doctors  
sphinx : 5/3/2016 10:19 pm : link
In comment 12943944 ZGiants98 said:
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felt he was sick enough to have him hooked up to an IV this afternoon.

It's freakin May 3. Why is someone who was "hooked up to an IV this afternoon" pitching?

RE: RE: Go Royals?  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 10:22 pm : link
In comment 12943950 spike said:
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In comment 12943890 ZGiants98 said:


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I might need to wash my mouth out after saying that. lol



Nats up 5-3


Of course they are. Bastards are red hot.
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ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 10:22 pm : link
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I wasn't saying your comment was BS  
PhiPsi125 : 5/3/2016 10:22 pm : link
But if you are sick enough to need an IV before a game, then he probably shouldn't be pitching anyway. Especially this early in the season. All this stuff with Harvey is just odd. Wouldn't surprise me if something else was going on. But what do I know anyway, lol.
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ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 10:23 pm : link
RE: I wasn't saying your comment was BS  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 10:23 pm : link
In comment 12943958 PhiPsi125 said:
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But if you are sick enough to need an IV before a game, then he probably shouldn't be pitching anyway. Especially this early in the season. All this stuff with Harvey is just odd. Wouldn't surprise me if something else was going on. But what do I know anyway, lol.


Not disagreeing at all either. It is odd and its getting a bit annoying.
Anybody catch the postgame interview?  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 10:26 pm : link
Apparently Harvey was getting pretty emotional? Missed it.
Take it for its worth...  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 10:33 pm : link
But this is from a real pitching coach who has ties to the Mets organization....

"Glad I don't have you as my coach, or someone I would rely upon as being a talent evaluator. Shiznet happens and these things do happen. Pitching is about confidence, as is just about everything in baseball, and he is lacking that element. My sincere suggestion to Matt...stop the routine and just take a few days off. It's not going to hurt anything that he is doing or wants to do...just shut it down for 3 days."

Phillies  
sphinx : 5/3/2016 10:51 pm : link
Jerry Crasnick 2 minutes ago
#Phillies beat #STLCards 1-0. Lead the majors with 6 shutouts. The young starters are legit.

Haha Nats lose  
ZGiants98 : 5/3/2016 11:28 pm : link
Paps blows it in the ninth. Now I can sleep like a baby. :)
RE: Haha Nats lose  
spike : 5/4/2016 7:42 am : link
In comment 12944015 ZGiants98 said:
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Paps blows it in the ninth. Now I can sleep like a baby. :)


now the Nats know how it feels to lose to those pesky Boils
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arcarsenal : 5/4/2016 8:09 am : link
You could tell Harvey was just mentally out of sorts towards the end of his outing especially. He was spiking throws, throwing out of frustration and missing spots.. something's just bugging the guy and no one seems to have any idea what it is. Hopefully someone gets to the bottom of it because we need him to pitch like himself again if we want this season to end the way we're all hoping.
This is basically Wild Thing's story arc from Major League 2  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/4/2016 8:28 am : link
Somebody's gotta get harvey away from his model girlfriends and endorsement deals and get him his old leather vest again.
RE: This is basically Wild Thing's story arc from Major League 2  
Jay on the Island : 5/4/2016 9:03 am : link
In comment 12944134 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Somebody's gotta get harvey away from his model girlfriends and endorsement deals and get him his old leather vest again.

You forgot the most important item. His glasses!
Huge  
pjcas18 : 5/4/2016 9:11 am : link
night for Mets non-pitching prospects. I'll wait for the DMM thread, but Herrera, Nimmo, Cecchini, Rivera, Domo, Becerra with big nights.
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DanMetroMan : 5/4/2016 9:38 am : link
Maybe just needs some rest  
pjcas18 : 5/4/2016 9:41 am : link
the Mets could survive a 2 week Harvey DL stint and put Verrett in the rotation.

This was an old Larry Lucchino Red Sox trick, he'd systematically place all his starting pitchers on the DL (except Wakefield) at various times during the season to keep them somewhat fresh.
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