I want to see Harvey flash north of 95 again and show control of all 4 pitches. If he does that he can be facing the Memphis Kazoos for all I care. We all know what Harvey is capable of. He's been out of sorts mechanically until last week so most of us just want to see a continuation of that.
doesn't sound that wild about Edgin joining them soon lol
MMO-Edgin, 29, must be activated from the disabled list by this Sunday when his 30 day rehab expires. It is widely expected that he will be optioned to Las Vegas so that he could get more innings under his belt.
“Velocity is supposed to edge up a little bit and move up. Is he going to get back fully to when we first saw him? I’m not sure,” Terry Collins said Monday. “He’s been pitching OK.”
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HR update: #Mets have hit 36. Braves are on pace to hit 32 all season. 27 MLB players, including Walker and Cespedes, have outhomered ATL.
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HR update: #Mets have hit 36. Braves are on pace to hit 32 all season. 27 MLB players, including Walker and Cespedes, have outhomered ATL.
It truly is pathetic. Inciarte's return will help the offense but he has little power as well. Atlanta is in a tough spot come draft day. They desperately need a power bat but it is looking likely that LHP Groome will be there at #3 and he is too good to pass up.
doesn't sound that wild about Edgin joining them soon lol
MMO-Edgin, 29, must be activated from the disabled list by this Sunday when his 30 day rehab expires. It is widely expected that he will be optioned to Las Vegas so that he could get more innings under his belt.
“Velocity is supposed to edge up a little bit and move up. Is he going to get back fully to when we first saw him? I’m not sure,” Terry Collins said Monday. “He’s been pitching OK.”
I consider him clearly the thrird lefty even if he's AMAZING in Vegas. He's going to have a hard time cracking the roster.
You honestly don't agree this sounds like a tepid review from TC?
"“Velocity is supposed to edge up a little bit and move up. Is he going to get back fully to when we first saw him? I’m not sure,” Terry Collins said Monday. “He’s been pitching OK.”"
I consider him clearly the thrird lefty even if he's AMAZING in Vegas. He's going to have a hard time cracking the roster.
You honestly don't agree this sounds like a tepid review from TC?
"“Velocity is supposed to edge up a little bit and move up. Is he going to get back fully to when we first saw him? I’m not sure,” Terry Collins said Monday. “He’s been pitching OK.”"
Lol. No your right. It does. I was more making a separate point that he literally has no chance of making the team even if he looked "amazing". He's a AAA insurance policy just like Goeddel and Gilmartin. Sorry for the confusion.
assume Gilmartin would get next crack unless they really insist he's too valuable as SP depth until Wheeler returns (which is possible). Might not trust Montero's health just yet.
Terry Collins says Travis d'Arnaud is just resting -- not doing any throwing down in Port St. Lucie. D'Arnaud is on the disabled list with a rotator cuff strain.
assume Gilmartin would get next crack unless they really insist he's too valuable as SP depth until Wheeler returns (which is possible). Might not trust Montero's health just yet.
I look at it like Gilmartin is now Verrett's backup. Goeddel is probably the first call if Henderson, Reed, or Robles got hurt. Edgin will be Bastardo and Blevins back up. What will become real interesting to me is what happens when Wheeler returns and they go 6 man twice through. Verrett back to AAA? Longs ways off I guess....
Curtis Granderson, RF
David Wright, 3B
Michael Conforto, LF
Yoenis Cespedes, CF
Lucas Duda, 1B
Neil Walker, 2B
Asdrubal Cabrera, SS
Kevin Plawecki, C
Matt Harvey, RHP
Braves Lineup (6-19)
Nick Markakis, RF
Adonis Garcia, LF
Freddie Freeman, 1B
Kelly Johnson, 2B
A.J. Pierzynski, C
Reid Brignac, 3B
Erick Aybar, SS
Matt Wisler, RHP
Mallex Smith, CF
I heard from somebody who works with the team it could be his offseason regimen. He essentially rehabs ALL offseason last year in preparation of 2015 coming back from Tommy John. He may have been heavier but his core/arm were in great shape. This year he had off all offseason and this person said his core looks weak and he's not in "game shape yet".
I don't know. Its also cold and he had an IV plugged into him two hours ago.
I know it sounds like excuses and I get that but what's the alternative? He sucks all of the sudden? I don't think Im ready to go there yet.
Harvey isn't fooling any hitter tonight. They are all over him. Â
anybody thinks he just "sucks" now (at least not genuinely I'd think). I am tired of the excuses for all his bad outings, but whatever. I think this is the second time he's "sick" this year. But that's just me. If it's crappy off season conditioning then thats just disappointing.
In any even, we know what Harvey can do so let's just hope that Warthen can help him figure it out.
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all damn night. Why Harvey is throwing them right down the plate on the first pitch is beyond me. If this was any team other than the Braves, Harvey is giving up 8 runs tonight.
pitching our last game of the WS for 8 shutout innings just last November.
There has to be an explanation. Either he's not in game shape yet, which really seems ridiculous this late in the season, he's hurt... I just don't get it.
He looked good in Spring Training. One has to wonder if he had something other than just a bladder infection. How do you go from having arguably the best stuff in baseball to a guy that would probably be sent to AAA if he was a prospect with options. Teams are hitting over .400 against him with RISP. And he's really only faced one good lineup
Plawecki is an automatic out, I think he batted about .217 last year and he may well bat below 200 this year. He cannot hit major league pitching..
Awful. Dan and I both said it. He should have started in AAA. He was rushed through there last year and never even conquered Vegas. Defensively, his throws have been pretty bad the last few days anyway. Get well soon TDA.
He looked good in Spring Training. One has to wonder if he had something other than just a bladder infection. How do you go from having arguably the best stuff in baseball to a guy that would probably be sent to AAA if he was a prospect with options. Teams are hitting over .400 against him with RISP. And he's really only faced one good lineup
I don't know. Others disagree. I am hanging my hat on his last outing against the Reds. His velocity was back to 2015 levels, his Ks were up, and his walks were down. That doesn't excuse how bad he's been so far though. Every other start has been pretty bad.
At one point last year Wisler was the Braves #1 prospect. That was before the draft and before several trades but he isn't some nobody if that makes you feel better. Wisler has the potential to be a great #3 pitcher. He has been very inconsistent prior to his last two starts.
At one point last year Wisler was the Braves #1 prospect. That was before the draft and before several trades but he isn't some nobody if that makes you feel better. Wisler has the potential to be a great #3 pitcher. He has been very inconsistent prior to his last two starts.
I know he's pretty good Jay. He gave us fits last time too. Im mainly just fucking around.
has lost control of his pitches. He hasn't close to the command he's had previously. Pitches are all over the place, in the dirt way high. His pitches aren't missing by a little.
4/22 vs Atl he only walked 1 but it took him 101 pitches to get thru 5.0 innings.
4/27 vs Cin he only walked 1 but it took him 102 pitches to get thru 6.0 innings.
Tonight he only walked 2 but it took him 101 pitches to get thru 5.2 innings.
By comparison, last night against this same team Colon went 8.0 innings, walked 0 and threw just 99 pitches.
ok it was hard to tell. Wisler has been a frustrating performer thus far but he is only 23. He has games like today and then he will follow it up with a 5 inning 4 ER game next time.
has lost control of his pitches. He hasn't close to the command he's had previously. Pitches are all over the place, in the dirt way high. His pitches aren't missing by a little.
4/22 vs Atl he only walked 1 but it took him 101 pitches to get thru 5.0 innings.
4/27 vs Cin he only walked 1 but it took him 102 pitches to get thru 6.0 innings.
Tonight he only walked 2 but it took him 101 pitches to get thru 5.2 innings.
By comparison, last night against this same team Colon went 8.0 innings, walked 0 and threw just 99 pitches.
My 2 cents.
While I agree with you Colon is a pitch to contact type of guy. A lot of our strikeout pitchers will have high counts in the 6th simply BECAUSE they are striking guys out. I wouldn't compare this start to the Cincinnati one at all either. Its night and day for me. He was awful tonight. Im praying its because he's sick as shit because tonight was embarrassing. Worst game yet IMO.
ok it was hard to tell. Wisler has been a frustrating performer thus far but he is only 23. He has games like today and then he will follow it up with a 5 inning 4 ER game next time.
Looks like he has good stuff to me. Was hitting 95. Getting a lot of groundouts on that sinker. He's clearly tough when its all working.
Fredi Gonzalez will probably bring in one of his shitty relievers like O'Flaherty or Jim Johnson rather than Vizcaino who is a great young reliever who is underused for god knows why.
ok it was hard to tell. Wisler has been a frustrating performer thus far but he is only 23. He has games like today and then he will follow it up with a 5 inning 4 ER game next time.
Looks like he has good stuff to me. Was hitting 95. Getting a lot of groundouts on that sinker. He's clearly tough when its all working.
He has the stuff but it's all a matter of consistency with him.
the series tomorrow afternoon and all is good. I like that Matz is pitching with the very hot Freeman suddenly. Hopefully it helps neutralize that a little.
He was awful tonight. Im praying its because he's sick as shit because tonight was embarrassing. Worst game yet IMO.
It's freakin May 3. Why is someone who is "sick as shit" pitching? Not asking you, Z, just mumbling.
Because it's likely bullshit. If you are well enough to pitch, then I don't want to hear about it. If you are truly that sick, then he wouldn't be pitching, period.
But if you are sick enough to need an IV before a game, then he probably shouldn't be pitching anyway. Especially this early in the season. All this stuff with Harvey is just odd. Wouldn't surprise me if something else was going on. But what do I know anyway, lol.
But if you are sick enough to need an IV before a game, then he probably shouldn't be pitching anyway. Especially this early in the season. All this stuff with Harvey is just odd. Wouldn't surprise me if something else was going on. But what do I know anyway, lol.
Not disagreeing at all either. It is odd and its getting a bit annoying.
But this is from a real pitching coach who has ties to the Mets organization....
"Glad I don't have you as my coach, or someone I would rely upon as being a talent evaluator. Shiznet happens and these things do happen. Pitching is about confidence, as is just about everything in baseball, and he is lacking that element. My sincere suggestion to Matt...stop the routine and just take a few days off. It's not going to hurt anything that he is doing or wants to do...just shut it down for 3 days."
You could tell Harvey was just mentally out of sorts towards the end of his outing especially. He was spiking throws, throwing out of frustration and missing spots.. something's just bugging the guy and no one seems to have any idea what it is. Hopefully someone gets to the bottom of it because we need him to pitch like himself again if we want this season to end the way we're all hoping.
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the Mets could survive a 2 week Harvey DL stint and put Verrett in the rotation.
This was an old Larry Lucchino Red Sox trick, he'd systematically place all his starting pitchers on the DL (except Wakefield) at various times during the season to keep them somewhat fresh.
MMO-Edgin, 29, must be activated from the disabled list by this Sunday when his 30 day rehab expires. It is widely expected that he will be optioned to Las Vegas so that he could get more innings under his belt.
“Velocity is supposed to edge up a little bit and move up. Is he going to get back fully to when we first saw him? I’m not sure,” Terry Collins said Monday. “He’s been pitching OK.”
HR update: #Mets have hit 36. Braves are on pace to hit 32 all season. 27 MLB players, including Walker and Cespedes, have outhomered ATL.
HR update: #Mets have hit 36. Braves are on pace to hit 32 all season. 27 MLB players, including Walker and Cespedes, have outhomered ATL.
It truly is pathetic. Inciarte's return will help the offense but he has little power as well. Atlanta is in a tough spot come draft day. They desperately need a power bat but it is looking likely that LHP Groome will be there at #3 and he is too good to pass up.
MMO-Edgin, 29, must be activated from the disabled list by this Sunday when his 30 day rehab expires. It is widely expected that he will be optioned to Las Vegas so that he could get more innings under his belt.
“Velocity is supposed to edge up a little bit and move up. Is he going to get back fully to when we first saw him? I’m not sure,” Terry Collins said Monday. “He’s been pitching OK.”
Safe to throw away that May 1st return yet?
You honestly don't agree this sounds like a tepid review from TC?
"“Velocity is supposed to edge up a little bit and move up. Is he going to get back fully to when we first saw him? I’m not sure,” Terry Collins said Monday. “He’s been pitching OK.”"
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I consider him clearly the thrird lefty even if he's AMAZING in Vegas. He's going to have a hard time cracking the roster.
You honestly don't agree this sounds like a tepid review from TC?
"“Velocity is supposed to edge up a little bit and move up. Is he going to get back fully to when we first saw him? I’m not sure,” Terry Collins said Monday. “He’s been pitching OK.”"
Lol. No your right. It does. I was more making a separate point that he literally has no chance of making the team even if he looked "amazing". He's a AAA insurance policy just like Goeddel and Gilmartin. Sorry for the confusion.
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Terry Collins says Travis d'Arnaud is just resting -- not doing any throwing down in Port St. Lucie. D'Arnaud is on the disabled list with a rotator cuff strain.
I look at it like Gilmartin is now Verrett's backup. Goeddel is probably the first call if Henderson, Reed, or Robles got hurt. Edgin will be Bastardo and Blevins back up. What will become real interesting to me is what happens when Wheeler returns and they go 6 man twice through. Verrett back to AAA? Longs ways off I guess....
Curtis Granderson, RF
David Wright, 3B
Michael Conforto, LF
Yoenis Cespedes, CF
Lucas Duda, 1B
Neil Walker, 2B
Asdrubal Cabrera, SS
Kevin Plawecki, C
Matt Harvey, RHP
Braves Lineup (6-19)
Nick Markakis, RF
Adonis Garcia, LF
Freddie Freeman, 1B
Kelly Johnson, 2B
A.J. Pierzynski, C
Reid Brignac, 3B
Erick Aybar, SS
Matt Wisler, RHP
Mallex Smith, CF
#Mets wives took part in a pregame event with @Noah_Galloway to raise money for the Ronald McDonald House of LI.
I thought I saw a 95 but I just double checked on gameday and you are right. A few 94s. No more so far.
Yup. Last start he was hitting 96/97. Way down from that. Not sure what is up. Oh well at least he got out of that.
It's hard to put your finger on what's going on with him. He just hasn't looked like "Harvey" at all. Not even once.
I don't know. Its also cold and he had an IV plugged into him two hours ago.
I know it sounds like excuses and I get that but what's the alternative? He sucks all of the sudden? I don't think Im ready to go there yet.
In any even, we know what Harvey can do so let's just hope that Warthen can help him figure it out.
Maybe he needs an intervention?
There has to be an explanation. Either he's not in game shape yet, which really seems ridiculous this late in the season, he's hurt... I just don't get it.
Hey did you ever work as a bartender in Casselberry, FL?
Plawecki is an automatic out, I think he batted about .217 last year and he may well bat below 200 this year. He cannot hit major league pitching..
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Plawecki is SOOOO bad offensively. Holy shit.
Plawecki is an automatic out, I think he batted about .217 last year and he may well bat below 200 this year. He cannot hit major league pitching..
Awful. Dan and I both said it. He should have started in AAA. He was rushed through there last year and never even conquered Vegas. Defensively, his throws have been pretty bad the last few days anyway. Get well soon TDA.
I don't know. Others disagree. I am hanging my hat on his last outing against the Reds. His velocity was back to 2015 levels, his Ks were up, and his walks were down. That doesn't excuse how bad he's been so far though. Every other start has been pretty bad.
I know he's pretty good Jay. He gave us fits last time too. Im mainly just fucking around.
4/22 vs Atl he only walked 1 but it took him 101 pitches to get thru 5.0 innings.
4/27 vs Cin he only walked 1 but it took him 102 pitches to get thru 6.0 innings.
Tonight he only walked 2 but it took him 101 pitches to get thru 5.2 innings.
By comparison, last night against this same team Colon went 8.0 innings, walked 0 and threw just 99 pitches.
My 2 cents.
4/22 vs Atl he only walked 1 but it took him 101 pitches to get thru 5.0 innings.
4/27 vs Cin he only walked 1 but it took him 102 pitches to get thru 6.0 innings.
Tonight he only walked 2 but it took him 101 pitches to get thru 5.2 innings.
By comparison, last night against this same team Colon went 8.0 innings, walked 0 and threw just 99 pitches.
My 2 cents.
While I agree with you Colon is a pitch to contact type of guy. A lot of our strikeout pitchers will have high counts in the 6th simply BECAUSE they are striking guys out. I wouldn't compare this start to the Cincinnati one at all either. Its night and day for me. He was awful tonight. Im praying its because he's sick as shit because tonight was embarrassing. Worst game yet IMO.
Looks like he has good stuff to me. Was hitting 95. Getting a lot of groundouts on that sinker. He's clearly tough when its all working.
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ok it was hard to tell. Wisler has been a frustrating performer thus far but he is only 23. He has games like today and then he will follow it up with a 5 inning 4 ER game next time.
Looks like he has good stuff to me. Was hitting 95. Getting a lot of groundouts on that sinker. He's clearly tough when its all working.
He has the stuff but it's all a matter of consistency with him.
It's freakin May 3. Why is someone who is "sick as shit" pitching? Not asking you, Z, just mumbling.
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He was awful tonight. Im praying its because he's sick as shit because tonight was embarrassing. Worst game yet IMO.
It's freakin May 3. Why is someone who is "sick as shit" pitching? Not asking you, Z, just mumbling.
Because it's likely bullshit. If you are well enough to pitch, then I don't want to hear about it. If you are truly that sick, then he wouldn't be pitching, period.
Nats up 5-3
It's freakin May 3. Why is someone who was "hooked up to an IV this afternoon" pitching?
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I might need to wash my mouth out after saying that. lol
Nats up 5-3
Of course they are. Bastards are red hot.
Not disagreeing at all either. It is odd and its getting a bit annoying.
"Glad I don't have you as my coach, or someone I would rely upon as being a talent evaluator. Shiznet happens and these things do happen. Pitching is about confidence, as is just about everything in baseball, and he is lacking that element. My sincere suggestion to Matt...stop the routine and just take a few days off. It's not going to hurt anything that he is doing or wants to do...just shut it down for 3 days."
#Phillies beat #STLCards 1-0. Lead the majors with 6 shutouts. The young starters are legit.
now the Nats know how it feels to lose to those pesky Boils
You forgot the most important item. His glasses!
This was an old Larry Lucchino Red Sox trick, he'd systematically place all his starting pitchers on the DL (except Wakefield) at various times during the season to keep them somewhat fresh.