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Article: Apple will make immediate impact

Ten Ton Hammer : 5/3/2016 2:32 pm
http://www.todayspigskin.com/nfc-today/new-york-giants/eli-apple-will-make-immediate-impact-spagnulos-scheme/

Not a bad take, I thought.


When the Giants decided to use the No. 10 overall draft choice on a cornerback, after signing Janoris Jenkins to a mega-contract to play with Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, critics immediately wondered why a team might use a premium pick for a rotational player. However, under Spagnuolo, the nickel defense is essentially the Giants’ base.

People like to get caught up in terms like starter and reserve, but the NFL is becoming a league of sub packages. And the 4-2-5 nickel package, featuring five defensive backs, is the staple sub package of Spagnuolo’s defense.

In 2015, the Giants played multiple games with a nickel package that featured Trevin Wade, Jayron Hosley, Craig Dahl and Brandon Meriweather as four of the five defensive backs. Take a second to look at those names again, consider how much of a disadvantage a defense is at with all four on the field at once, and regroup. Because going forward, the Giants have flipped the script.

Apple will be one component to a new-look nickel package that could feature up to three new faces.
Removing Dahl, Meriweather, Hosley alone is a HUGE upgrade!  
GiantBlue : 5/3/2016 2:36 pm : link
But replace them with the incoming talent and I am feeling a whole lot better about our back-line defense!
So who are the 2 starting LBers?  
Hades07 : 5/3/2016 2:36 pm : link
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RE: So who are the 2 starting LBers?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/3/2016 2:38 pm : link
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Kennard obviously is one of the 2 as long as he's healthy (lol), leaving space for whoever shows out in camp.
4-2-5 or nickel  
Chip : 5/3/2016 2:40 pm : link
is becoming the standard defense in the pass happy nfl. Let Collins play closer to the line of scrimmage and play 3 or 4 corners depending on the down and distance.
RE: RE: So who are the 2 starting LBers?  
JPinstripes : 5/3/2016 2:43 pm : link
In comment 12943158 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Kennard obviously is one of the 2 as long as he's healthy (lol), leaving space for whoever shows out in camp.


I believe Keenan Robinson is supposed to be a quality cover LB when healthy.
Those DBs might just be great this year.  
Randy in CT : 5/3/2016 2:45 pm : link
LBs will sort itself out but we have some talent there too. Shit, Casillas and Thomas might thrive with consistency upfront. Where it all starts...
RE: RE: RE: So who are the 2 starting LBers?  
Victor in CT : 5/3/2016 2:51 pm : link
In comment 12943179 JPinstripes said:
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Kennard obviously is one of the 2 as long as he's healthy (lol), leaving space for whoever shows out in camp.



I believe Keenan Robinson is supposed to be a quality cover LB when healthy.


That's 2 "when healthys" already. Don't count on it.
They've upgraded all the position groups on defense  
BurlyMan : 5/3/2016 3:42 pm : link
there's legit reason for excitement.
Yep  
giantgiantfan : 5/3/2016 5:24 pm : link
there is no reason why this defense can't go from worst to at least middle of the pack.
THIS  
BleedBlue : 5/3/2016 5:35 pm : link
is exactly why they wanted floyd at 10. IDC i am perfectly happy with their draft. I am in a way happy floyd went first as he wasnt a safe pick.

But Floyd and kennard in a 4-2-5 would have been nice. floyd can cover well down field and i think thats why they were okay with a lighter LBer. When i was at college we had a very successfull defense that prettyy much was a base 4-2-5 our LBers werent heavier than 225.

That being said I am VERY excited for our draft. i LOVE the idea of Jenkins, DRC, Apple, Collins and thompson being our 5 DBs those names over what we have had in the past is a HUGE upgrade and that alone could have given us an extra win or two last season. add that we upgraded the DL with snacks and vernon, throw in Goodson who will be an upgrade at LBer for us and youre talking about a significantly better defense from a year ago
Anyone can look  
shyster : 5/3/2016 6:02 pm : link
at the Football Outsider snap counts and see how much the Giants' nickel corner played in 2015 and, yeah, it was a lot.

But that says nothing much about Apple. On the face of things, he seems best suited to being an outside corner and he's got a lot to learn. Asking him to be the slot corner while also being prepared to shift outside if anything happens to DRC or Jenkins might be asking too much.

I guess we'll find out.
Bump and run corners should thrive in the slot.  
Jerry's Kids : 5/3/2016 6:12 pm : link
Being physical and staying with guys shouldn't be a problem. Knowing the right zone to sit in could be.
LOL.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/3/2016 6:14 pm : link
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Is it possible  
5BowlsSoon : 5/3/2016 6:15 pm : link
We may not cringe when our defense is on the field and it is third down?
Who is Dan Schneier  
Rambo : 5/3/2016 8:28 pm : link
And why is his grammar as efficient as a 5 year old? "You may not here Apple’s name called during warmups." I pretty much clicked off once I read that and all the other poor spellings and non-use of a comma.


Otherwise if Apple is expected to be effective so quickly then why are the Giants looking at Leon Hall? I take this article with a grain of salt. Apple will develop but he is very young and inexperienced for that matter. Flowers struggled last year at times and so will Apple.
I don't think Apple played nickel very much.  
Ira : 5/3/2016 8:50 pm : link
Most of his work was on the outside. I think that's why the talked to Hall.
A representative list of a few of the best slot receivers ...  
Manny in CA : 5/3/2016 9:08 pm : link
In recent times: (I looked up height and forty time)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000500743/article/julian-edelman-randall-cobb-among-nfls-top-slot-receivers

No particular order -

Percy Harvin - 5'11", (4.41)

Randall Cobb - 5'10", (4,46)

Wes Welker - 5'9", (4.65)

Victor Cruz - 6" (4.47)

Danny Amendola - 5'11" , (4.58)

What do these guys have in common ? They're "football short" and fast, but MORE importantly, they can all "turn on a dime" and they routinely turn tall rangy CBs into pretzels.

Rambo, that's the answer to your CB Leon Hall (5'11, 4.39) question.
They passed on Hargreaves (the best slot cover) CB ....  
Manny in CA : 5/3/2016 9:36 pm : link
In favor of insurance (Apple) against the Julio Jones, Dez Bryants, Calvin Johnsons of the NFL.

DRC is NOT coming inside after his nightmare in Philly and I sure Janoris Jenkins will not be a happy camper. So what to do ? - Wade, he's a JAG.

Bottom line, I agree, Apple will play real quick ,and Jenkins (5'10",4.46) will have to go inside (consoled by his mega-buck contract)

Why should Jenkins be upset  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/3/2016 9:45 pm : link
about moving inside in 3 CB sets? He's still an every down player and he is well compensated.

I'm more concerned with Apple getting exploited on the outside as a rookie.

RE: Who is Dan Schneier  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/3/2016 10:00 pm : link
In comment 12943722 Rambo said:
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Otherwise if Apple is expected to be effective so quickly then why are the Giants looking at Leon Hall? I take this article with a grain of salt. Apple will develop but he is very young and inexperienced for that matter. Flowers struggled last year at times and so will Apple.


even with Apple, that makes two corners you trust to start, a rookie, and Trevin Wade. In other words, that's not enough.

Hall is on the back end of his career but he could probably help a team. Certainly help a team that loses cornerbacks by the handful to injuries.
That makes sense, Lake ...  
Manny in CA : 5/3/2016 10:06 pm : link

But the size of these guy's egos is incalculable.

As Dave Te told us, Hargreaves was the safer choice (and an outstanding slot CB), but the die is cast, they wanted the better player, long-term - Apple.

Hammer is 1000 %right - Apple will make an immediate impact (positive or negative).
Peter King had some stat a few months back  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/4/2016 6:56 am : link
about how often defenses play 3 + CBs & it's exploded recently; something from like 40 percent a few years back to around 60% this past season.

He'll see the field early & often.
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