Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
I didn’t mention that he didn’t bat for them, I’m saying the line crumbled being time after those guys were gone. Brewer? Mitch Petrus? Mosley? Dave Diehl was out there 2 more years than he should've been.
….Will Beatty?
Some of that is on development. What does it say that we got rid of TC's OL coach and brought in someone known for DEVELOPING solid OL's? Also, you're being willfully obtuse if you don't think Coughlin went to bat to keep declining players meaningful snaps on the OL. That is one unit where he has shown to be completely risk averse in rolling with a younger guy.
Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
He had a even bigger hand putting the Giants in the state (hole) they have been in for the last 4 years. You would have to go back to the teams of the 70's to find a Giants team more void of talent than the 2015 NY Giants.
seems like things are more streamlined now. Maybe with Coughlin gone he's free to build the team to his vision instead of having to compromise, and I think that's a good thing.
Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
He had a even bigger hand putting the Giants in the state (hole) they have been in for the last 4 years. You would have to go back to the teams of the 70's to find a Giants team more void of talent than the 2015 NY Giants.
Reese sure deserves blame, and has accepted it, but- he is not solely responsible for the last 4 years. The Giants as an organization decided to gamble on extending players who had previously performed well, hoping they would return to form.
Combine that with some poor drafting, some shitty luck with injuries (from picks + FAs), and the risks made by Reese and Ross look worse than they were in the first place.
I'm with Fatman on this one - I'm a pretty staunch defender Â
of Reese's, but he's got to learn to be more diplomatic when handling the media.
How much does it affect him? Probably squat - I doubt the media reaction/impression has any impact at all on Reese's evaluation, but when given the choice of either issuing meaningless statements meant to placate the media versus getting combative, he should go path of least resistance with them. He's not going to win a war of words with the media anyhow, why bother expending the energy even trying?
A lot of GMs like Reese came up via the player personnel departments-so essentially scouts. Their primary skill is evaluation of talent and often they tell it like it is. Communication and public relations is left to guys like Hanlon (not that Pat has always held his tongue).
Problem is GMs and coaches are the face of the organization not the PR guy. The ability to deflect a provoking question or use humor/personality to squash an issue is a gift or at least a skill learned over time. He does not have that nuance but it’s not what he was hired to do or what got him the GM job.
Also George Young, one of the all-time greats, was no day at the beach.
Why is anyone surprised that both Reese and Ross have taken Â
on the same attitude as the PR director? Hanlon is often prickly, dismissive, unpolished and combative. He and or his staff are responsible for the press conferences. They're the ones that coach people who aren't natural public speakers.
Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
He had a even bigger hand putting the Giants in the state (hole) they have been in for the last 4 years. You would have to go back to the teams of the 70's to find a Giants team more void of talent than the 2015 NY Giants.
I think the injuries had a larger role in putting the Giants roster in the hole it is in now. You can't just state that Reese is 100% responsible for where we are, when neither of us know how these personnel decisions get made behind closed doors. Coaches go to bat for guys in the later rounds, and those coaches that couldn't develop the depth got shown the door. IMO the 2011 SB convinced our FO AND coaches that our roster was better than it actually was at the time.
Sure, but the kid had physical talent. Size, feet, and was a strong guy. These mid round guys aren't NFL ready products, the expectation is that the position coaches can help them develop into NFL players.
Mike said something like a lot of people thought you were caught off guard and "forced" into the apple pick. Reese essentially said that they did not know what they are talking about. Apple would have been picked in the next couple picks and he represented value and need.
He did not say Mike did not know what he was talking about. He was not arrogant. People should listen to the interview before they chime in. Not a Reese fan or hater - but the implication of the article is not fair.
should read Colin's thread. I have to imagine it's pretty difficult to be portrayed as a babbling idiot in a pressure cooker situation that is the NFL draft when in reality the facts seem to point to being well-organized, sensible and thorough.
The Reese stuff has gotten out of control this offseason, does he stutter at times? Yes. Has he had the greatest overall draft record as of late? Not really.
But this is still the man who has nailed pretty much every single 1st round pick since he took the position maybe outside of Prince which was a no-brainer (value-wise) at the time of the selection. He's brought in plenty of quality free agents such as Rolle, Canty, Boley, the undrafted Victor Cruz.
Also, Jerry Reese can't control car accidents, freak weight-lifting injuries, fireworks mishaps, knee injuries or any of the other excessive cases of weird bad luck that has ravaged this roster through the last several years.
The popular narrative is that poor old Tom Coughlin was given chopped liver to work with. In reality, Reese put together a 2015 roster that was a c*nt hair away from being in the playoffs if we made on single, sane coaching decision at the end of any one of about 5 games.
"We really think this guy has a huge upside," Reese said. "He is a big, big man [with] long arms. He didn't catch a lot of balls for them. But he is kind of a late bloomer who has really come on. And we think this guy is kind of a JPP of tight ends. We like these kind of people."
The Giants believe the 6-4, 264-pound Robinson is full of "untapped" potential.
"He's a physical specimen," said Marc Ross, director of college scouting. "He ran a 4.5. He's just learning how to play football. We think he has tremendous upside. And the kid plays hard for being a former basketball player. Just didn't get a lot of chances. We think the sky is the limit. Coaching, the way we'll use him, I think he will just flourish."
The above is an example of why folks worry about Reese & Ross, particularly after round 2.
It's one thing to take a flyer on a player; it's another to completely whiff. Robinson never looked good.
I think / hope the 2016 draft will pan out well, but Reese's post draft statements do little to give me any confidence.
But if Reese is going to get credit for his first round hits, he deserves the blame for his later round blunders as well. If James Brewer could’ve been developed and whatever, wouldn’t the Jets have done anything useful with him after his time with the Giants? Or anyone else? The problem is nobody wants these guys for the long haul and neither did the Giants.
We’ve been over this Reese vs Coughlin debate before, were the close games lost because the coaching kept them in close games (with a bad team) or because Coughlin made the wrong decisions? Look, I’m not one of those people that wants the Giants to suck just so I can bash Reese, but my God with Eli Manning throwing 35 touchdowns with only one reliable target and going 6-10 record isn’t illustrating something is wrong with the rest of the team, I don’t know what would. The 2015 defense didn’t suck, it fucking sucked and especially in the end of the game.
I don’t care, I’m looking forward to 2016 and am not screaming about Coughlin’s “departure”…I wanna see this team sweep the Eagles, sweep the Cowboys….and the Redskins.
But if Reese is going to get credit for his first round hits, he deserves the blame for his later round blunders as well. If James Brewer could’ve been developed and whatever, wouldn’t the Jets have done anything useful with him after his time with the Giants? Or anyone else? The problem is nobody wants these guys for the long haul and neither did the Giants.
We’ve been over this Reese vs Coughlin debate before, were the close games lost because the coaching kept them in close games (with a bad team) or because Coughlin made the wrong decisions? Look, I’m not one of those people that wants the Giants to suck just so I can bash Reese, but my God with Eli Manning throwing 35 touchdowns with only one reliable target and going 6-10 record isn’t illustrating something is wrong with the rest of the team, I don’t know what would. The 2015 defense didn’t suck, it fucking sucked and especially in the end of the game.
I don’t care, I’m looking forward to 2016 and am not screaming about Coughlin’s “departure”…I wanna see this team sweep the Eagles, sweep the Cowboys….and the Redskins.
The reason why those guys aren't sticking is because of economics. Why pay Brewer vet minimum when you can develop someone with just as much talent for cheap on a rookie deal?
and stating the obvious to those of us who realize that there is more detail in the process than any media member could be informed of. Again, he must see so much BS and false info that at some point he has to just say it. The media causes problems for him, the team, owners etc....why would anyone blame him for being sick of them trying to cost him his job?
I'm not sure if that's the right word but he comes off as defensive or a know it all. That doesn't help matters. If I was Mara I would tell him to STFU.
Reese just needs to do his job like a baddas, kill drafts and rebuild the team.
He does that, who gives a shit what he says in pressers. It won't matter...
As for why it does today ? giants have a ton of holes and the other excuse, is already gone.
and stating the obvious to those of us who realize that there is more detail in the process than any media member could be informed of. Again, he must see so much BS and false info that at some point he has to just say it. The media causes problems for him, the team, owners etc....why would anyone blame him for being sick of them trying to cost him his job?
why antagonize the media when you can instead play the game, feed them some breadcrumbs and keep things relatively friendly? This exact thing was a major part of TC's maturation as a coach.
again, my thoughts on Reese aside: he is always, without fail, in a lose lose position with the media and fans.
Whatever he says, it is spun to fit the narrative.
"We love our draft, we took the best guys and matched need with value" = they reached for Apple! They had to take Apple because they got outmanuvered!!!!
"Look, we really wanted Leonard Floyd and he just wasn't there, so we took the best player available after that" = Holy Shit Reese! Did you seriously just publicly say that Apple wasn't the target? Do you realize what that can do to a kids confidence? Jesus, what a prick. Keep your thoughts to yourself and keep your draft cards close to the vest!!
I was touting him months ago as the best prospective corner in this draft. You can't teach those God given measurables but you can teach technique. That will be the key to his development.
Reese continues to have really thin skin and, IMV, has never been fit to be an NFL GM. The two SB wins were significantly more about coaching - and I was very anti-Coughlin - than roster building by Reese. He would be wise to mimic Belichick and keep interaction with the media brief and dull.
and stating the obvious to those of us who realize that there is more detail in the process than any media member could be informed of. Again, he must see so much BS and false info that at some point he has to just say it. The media causes problems for him, the team, owners etc....why would anyone blame him for being sick of them trying to cost him his job?
why antagonize the media when you can instead play the game, feed them some breadcrumbs and keep things relatively friendly? This exact thing was a major part of TC's maturation as a coach.
Don't you feel he has always been respectful, open, willing to speak any time etc... ? THen the team goes through some stuff and they literally asked him how and why he still has a job at a presser to say goodbye to a HOF coach. If you spend years being good to the media and the moment they smell blood in the water, try to make your career a joke and get you canned from what must be a job he holds dearly, how would you not become extremely sick and tired of the games and BS.
If you can, find my thread where Dan Boyle talks about how reporting and negative press DOES affect plenty of people. THere is no reason whatsoever for fans to defend any media because they cause legit issues.
to ask the tough questions or they're not doing their jobs. Three consecutive losing seasons is not going to get you any free rides from the beat guys, especially in this town. True pros know how to deflect those questions by giving non-answers that don't stir the pot. Reese appears to take any criticism personally and instead of playing nice actually challenges the reporters (see linked article below). When you win you can get away with acting like this. When you're in charge of a losing team, this sort of stuff is not a good look at all. Link - ( New Window )
Mike said something like a lot of people thought you were caught off guard and "forced" into the apple pick. Reese essentially said that they did not know what they are talking about. Apple would have been picked in the next couple picks and he represented value and need.
He did not say Mike did not know what he was talking about. He was not arrogant. People should listen to the interview before they chime in. Not a Reese fan or hater - but the implication of the article is not fair.
This.
Reese made it clear that they were prepared for the scenario Â
mainly for seemingly being out of touch with how he should handle things sometimes.
When you've had a run of success, it is OK to be dismissive and act like you know better, but when you have a run of poor performance, you have to tone it down a bit.
He doesn't even have to change the message. He can just start out everything with "Our performance hasn't been very good over the past few years and we are trying to change that".
Heck, if you lead with that, you can even say "Our performance hasn't been very good over the past few years and we are trying to change that, but you really don't know what you are talking about regarding our decision with Apple, yada, yada, yada".
Whenever you tell people they don't know what they are talking about, they get defensive, even if it is true. Just look at the way a lot of the mouth-breathers here react when they are called out.
Maybe what he communicates to the press has absolutely nothing to do with how is evaluated by his boss...
should read Colin's thread. I have to imagine it's pretty difficult to be portrayed as a babbling idiot in a pressure cooker situation that is the NFL draft when in reality the facts seem to point to being well-organized, sensible and thorough.
The Reese stuff has gotten out of control this offseason, does he stutter at times? Yes. Has he had the greatest overall draft record as of late? Not really.
But this is still the man who has nailed pretty much every single 1st round pick since he took the position maybe outside of Prince which was a no-brainer (value-wise) at the time of the selection. He's brought in plenty of quality free agents such as Rolle, Canty, Boley, the undrafted Victor Cruz.
Also, Jerry Reese can't control car accidents, freak weight-lifting injuries, fireworks mishaps, knee injuries or any of the other excessive cases of weird bad luck that has ravaged this roster through the last several years.
The popular narrative is that poor old Tom Coughlin was given chopped liver to work with. In reality, Reese put together a 2015 roster that was a c*nt hair away from being in the playoffs if we made on single, sane coaching decision at the end of any one of about 5 games.
Jerry Reese is a championship GM.
Daimontre Moore could have been a 10+ sacks guys if he wasn't retarded. Beckham, Richburg, Pugh, Flowers, Collins, Kennard, and even guys like Tye. Reese is better than decent. It's easy to say, wince we lost the GM is bad. It's better to remember that we lost 8 games by less than a touchdown last year. Tom Coughlin cost us last year's division championship. He lost his job himself.
Reese gave him enough tools to beat the crappy teams put out by Dallas, Philly, and DC. And if he succeeded well enough, he would have had the tools we got this off-season too. We were coming into this money either way. And I like what Reese has done, both in FA and the draft. And we have next draft for a RT and Will if FA doesn't pan out this year, and I still think we can win the division this year.
I'd be disappointed with anything less than a 9-7 season. I expect us to go 10-6 and Wild Card into the playoffs. And that's due in large part to Reese and the organizational values as a whole. Character helps a lot in this league.
can take that away from him. He demands respect for that.
Say that he wasn't the GM who built the 2007 team, but Kawika Mitchell was a critical addition and draft picks Steve Smith, Bradshaw, Boss, Ross and Alford all had their moment or moments in the spotlight.
In a season where the outcome of so many games teetered on the edge of a knife, subtracting any of them from the team might have resulted in a different outcome. (I'll always feel sorry for Steve Smith in that his really heads up catch and run to the sticks on 3rd and 11 will always be lost on highlight films, sandwiched in between the Tyree catch and the Burress TD catch.)
He has made some mistakes in the draft and has had more trouble with injuries than many, and now the team has had three losing seasons. Reese would probably agree (at least in private) that he has to produce this year
But you can't take away the two championships from him or Coughlin.
should read Colin's thread. I have to imagine it's pretty difficult to be portrayed as a babbling idiot in a pressure cooker situation that is the NFL draft when in reality the facts seem to point to being well-organized, sensible and thorough.
The Reese stuff has gotten out of control this offseason, does he stutter at times? Yes. Has he had the greatest overall draft record as of late? Not really.
But this is still the man who has nailed pretty much every single 1st round pick since he took the position maybe outside of Prince which was a no-brainer (value-wise) at the time of the selection. He's brought in plenty of quality free agents such as Rolle, Canty, Boley, the undrafted Victor Cruz.
Also, Jerry Reese can't control car accidents, freak weight-lifting injuries, fireworks mishaps, knee injuries or any of the other excessive cases of weird bad luck that has ravaged this roster through the last several years.
The popular narrative is that poor old Tom Coughlin was given chopped liver to work with. In reality, Reese put together a 2015 roster that was a c*nt hair away from being in the playoffs if we made on single, sane coaching decision at the end of any one of about 5 games.
Jerry Reese is a championship GM.
Daimontre Moore could have been a 10+ sacks guys if he wasn't retarded. Beckham, Richburg, Pugh, Flowers, Collins, Kennard, and even guys like Tye. Reese is better than decent. It's easy to say, wince we lost the GM is bad. It's better to remember that we lost 8 games by less than a touchdown last year. Tom Coughlin cost us last year's division championship. He lost his job himself.
Reese gave him enough tools to beat the crappy teams put out by Dallas, Philly, and DC. And if he succeeded well enough, he would have had the tools we got this off-season too. We were coming into this money either way. And I like what Reese has done, both in FA and the draft. And we have next draft for a RT and Will if FA doesn't pan out this year, and I still think we can win the division this year.
I'd be disappointed with anything less than a 9-7 season. I expect us to go 10-6 and Wild Card into the playoffs. And that's due in large part to Reese and the organizational values as a whole. Character helps a lot in this league.
TC did hurt his own chances of being retained BUT JR didn't give him the best groceries to work with. Yes....he did give him a few nice cuts of meat but the veggies and grain were sub-par. As for the money you never know how it is spent IF TC overachieves ... a false sense of security has been as issue as well. The we can make dude with projects and injured vets.
In the long and short run the losing is actually going to help move in the proper direction...otherwise I think we might have kept going in circles.
seems like things are more streamlined now. Maybe with Coughlin gone he's free to build the team to his vision instead of having to compromise, and I think that's a good thing.
He has a vision of a crappy right side of the OL?
Speaking of Moore, that's one of the things I like least about Reese, Â
his disrespect for the veterans who won him those big games and his lack of appreciation for intangibles.
I'm thinking of the shabby treatment given to Justin Tuck, a hero of both Super Bowls, and especially the first. Given a low ball offer that, even though he would have taken less money from the Giants to return, was to him an insult.
Tuck could have attached himself to Moore and taught him how to behave. He could have taught or "mentored" the other young linemen. That's why the armed forces during war pluck out the experienced NCOs to go back to the States to train others, or attach them to raw, inexperienced units.
The Giants are 10 games under 500 over the past three seasons Â
""Listen, we have had three losing years in a row, and a lot of that is due to some personnel decisions that have been made,"
"Well, obviously [the roster] was lacking in some talent otherwise we wouldn't be 6-10," Mara said. "We have a lot of holes to fill, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. You can't hide from your record and the record indicates we do not have enough championship-caliber players."
""But we had a few in there where we just haven't seen the production. You know, your core players are your third, fourth, fifth-year players and you look back at those draft classes and there are just not a lot of them playing right now."
Look at the record over a number of back to back losing
seasons. He really needs to STFU and prove it.
Ya know they keep score for a reason, just sick of
this guy and his excuses and blame reflecting. Fix
it first and then get back to us on the good stuff discussions
and the pressure was only ratcheted up by the big spending in free agency and the Apple pick in the first round. No one would be saying shit if he took Hargreaves. Hargreaves is ready to play in the NFL, and as Reese said himself, Apple is still a young player who is still developing. He may develop into a great player, but what will he be in 2016? And what will the Giants be in 2016? Bad enough that Reese gets fired? His decisions better yield more than 6 wins. I think they will, but his ass better be fired if they have another 6 win season. Injuries or no injuries, no one cares. No more passes for Reese, this team needs to play better and win more.
Give Reese half a break. Do you know how much pressure is on him Â
in the Big Apple and what it's like having the constant criticism of the media here?
No, you don't because you've never been through it. It can make you say things that you wouldn't have said if you weren't becoming unhinged by all the attention of the media.
No one could accuse me of being a Reese fan. I've been against him in many instances, most frequently for cutting productive veterans before he had anyone to replace them. And saying that the Giants were a playoff team if Coughlin hadn't messed with the clock - a myth. Playoff teams don't have the 32nd worst defense against the run and the 29th worst defense in points allowed. The defensive roster was beyond awful.
But I'll cut him a break if he's a little rattled right now. In 1961, when Roger Maris was chasing Ruth's home run record, the pressure on him was so bad that his hair began to fall out in clumps - due to nothing but the state of his nerves.
RE: Give Reese half a break. Do you know how much pressure is on him Â
in the Big Apple and what it's like having the constant criticism of the media here?
No, you don't because you've never been through it. It can make you say things that you wouldn't have said if you weren't becoming unhinged by all the attention of the media.
No one could accuse me of being a Reese fan. I've been against him in many instances, most frequently for cutting productive veterans before he had anyone to replace them. And saying that the Giants were a playoff team if Coughlin hadn't messed with the clock - a myth. Playoff teams don't have the 32nd worst defense against the run and the 29th worst defense in points allowed. The defensive roster was beyond awful.
But I'll cut him a break if he's a little rattled right now. In 1961, when Roger Maris was chasing Ruth's home run record, the pressure on him was so bad that his hair began to fall out in clumps - due to nothing but the state of his nerves.
WTF does Roger Maris and the HR record have to do with Jerry Reese?
according to Reese but Giant fans do know when they are being bullshitted and Reese does that all of the time. I get the feeling that Reese has a low opinion of the intelligence level of Giant fans because in every interview he gives its always full of double talk....
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Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
….Will Beatty?
Some of that is on development. What does it say that we got rid of TC's OL coach and brought in someone known for DEVELOPING solid OL's? Also, you're being willfully obtuse if you don't think Coughlin went to bat to keep declining players meaningful snaps on the OL. That is one unit where he has shown to be completely risk averse in rolling with a younger guy.
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Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
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Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
He had a even bigger hand putting the Giants in the state (hole) they have been in for the last 4 years. You would have to go back to the teams of the 70's to find a Giants team more void of talent than the 2015 NY Giants.
Reese sure deserves blame, and has accepted it, but- he is not solely responsible for the last 4 years. The Giants as an organization decided to gamble on extending players who had previously performed well, hoping they would return to form.
Combine that with some poor drafting, some shitty luck with injuries (from picks + FAs), and the risks made by Reese and Ross look worse than they were in the first place.
How much does it affect him? Probably squat - I doubt the media reaction/impression has any impact at all on Reese's evaluation, but when given the choice of either issuing meaningless statements meant to placate the media versus getting combative, he should go path of least resistance with them. He's not going to win a war of words with the media anyhow, why bother expending the energy even trying?
Problem is GMs and coaches are the face of the organization not the PR guy. The ability to deflect a provoking question or use humor/personality to squash an issue is a gift or at least a skill learned over time. He does not have that nuance but it’s not what he was hired to do or what got him the GM job.
Also George Young, one of the all-time greats, was no day at the beach.
Nothing wrong with the kit plane. Denver didn't put enough gas in it though.
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Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
He had a even bigger hand putting the Giants in the state (hole) they have been in for the last 4 years. You would have to go back to the teams of the 70's to find a Giants team more void of talent than the 2015 NY Giants.
I think the injuries had a larger role in putting the Giants roster in the hole it is in now. You can't just state that Reese is 100% responsible for where we are, when neither of us know how these personnel decisions get made behind closed doors. Coaches go to bat for guys in the later rounds, and those coaches that couldn't develop the depth got shown the door. IMO the 2011 SB convinced our FO AND coaches that our roster was better than it actually was at the time.
Sure, but the kid had physical talent. Size, feet, and was a strong guy. These mid round guys aren't NFL ready products, the expectation is that the position coaches can help them develop into NFL players.
Please don't judge us. It's not our fault Reese is like this.
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He did not say Mike did not know what he was talking about. He was not arrogant. People should listen to the interview before they chime in. Not a Reese fan or hater - but the implication of the article is not fair.
The Reese stuff has gotten out of control this offseason, does he stutter at times? Yes. Has he had the greatest overall draft record as of late? Not really.
But this is still the man who has nailed pretty much every single 1st round pick since he took the position maybe outside of Prince which was a no-brainer (value-wise) at the time of the selection. He's brought in plenty of quality free agents such as Rolle, Canty, Boley, the undrafted Victor Cruz.
Also, Jerry Reese can't control car accidents, freak weight-lifting injuries, fireworks mishaps, knee injuries or any of the other excessive cases of weird bad luck that has ravaged this roster through the last several years.
The popular narrative is that poor old Tom Coughlin was given chopped liver to work with. In reality, Reese put together a 2015 roster that was a c*nt hair away from being in the playoffs if we made on single, sane coaching decision at the end of any one of about 5 games.
Jerry Reese is a championship GM.
- Jerry Reese 4/29/2012
"We really think this guy has a huge upside," Reese said. "He is a big, big man [with] long arms. He didn't catch a lot of balls for them. But he is kind of a late bloomer who has really come on. And we think this guy is kind of a JPP of tight ends. We like these kind of people."
The Giants believe the 6-4, 264-pound Robinson is full of "untapped" potential.
"He's a physical specimen," said Marc Ross, director of college scouting. "He ran a 4.5. He's just learning how to play football. We think he has tremendous upside. And the kid plays hard for being a former basketball player. Just didn't get a lot of chances. We think the sky is the limit. Coaching, the way we'll use him, I think he will just flourish."
The above is an example of why folks worry about Reese & Ross, particularly after round 2.
It's one thing to take a flyer on a player; it's another to completely whiff. Robinson never looked good.
I think / hope the 2016 draft will pan out well, but Reese's post draft statements do little to give me any confidence.
Reese: Giants draft the 'JPP of tight ends' - ( New Window )
We’ve been over this Reese vs Coughlin debate before, were the close games lost because the coaching kept them in close games (with a bad team) or because Coughlin made the wrong decisions? Look, I’m not one of those people that wants the Giants to suck just so I can bash Reese, but my God with Eli Manning throwing 35 touchdowns with only one reliable target and going 6-10 record isn’t illustrating something is wrong with the rest of the team, I don’t know what would. The 2015 defense didn’t suck, it fucking sucked and especially in the end of the game.
I don’t care, I’m looking forward to 2016 and am not screaming about Coughlin’s “departure”…I wanna see this team sweep the Eagles, sweep the Cowboys….and the Redskins.
We’ve been over this Reese vs Coughlin debate before, were the close games lost because the coaching kept them in close games (with a bad team) or because Coughlin made the wrong decisions? Look, I’m not one of those people that wants the Giants to suck just so I can bash Reese, but my God with Eli Manning throwing 35 touchdowns with only one reliable target and going 6-10 record isn’t illustrating something is wrong with the rest of the team, I don’t know what would. The 2015 defense didn’t suck, it fucking sucked and especially in the end of the game.
I don’t care, I’m looking forward to 2016 and am not screaming about Coughlin’s “departure”…I wanna see this team sweep the Eagles, sweep the Cowboys….and the Redskins.
The reason why those guys aren't sticking is because of economics. Why pay Brewer vet minimum when you can develop someone with just as much talent for cheap on a rookie deal?
Reese just needs to do his job like a baddas, kill drafts and rebuild the team.
He does that, who gives a shit what he says in pressers. It won't matter...
As for why it does today ? giants have a ton of holes and the other excuse, is already gone.
why antagonize the media when you can instead play the game, feed them some breadcrumbs and keep things relatively friendly? This exact thing was a major part of TC's maturation as a coach.
Whatever he says, it is spun to fit the narrative.
"We love our draft, we took the best guys and matched need with value" = they reached for Apple! They had to take Apple because they got outmanuvered!!!!
"Look, we really wanted Leonard Floyd and he just wasn't there, so we took the best player available after that" = Holy Shit Reese! Did you seriously just publicly say that Apple wasn't the target? Do you realize what that can do to a kids confidence? Jesus, what a prick. Keep your thoughts to yourself and keep your draft cards close to the vest!!
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Reese continues to have really thin skin and, IMV, has never been fit to be an NFL GM. The two SB wins were significantly more about coaching - and I was very anti-Coughlin - than roster building by Reese. He would be wise to mimic Belichick and keep interaction with the media brief and dull.
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and stating the obvious to those of us who realize that there is more detail in the process than any media member could be informed of. Again, he must see so much BS and false info that at some point he has to just say it. The media causes problems for him, the team, owners etc....why would anyone blame him for being sick of them trying to cost him his job?
why antagonize the media when you can instead play the game, feed them some breadcrumbs and keep things relatively friendly? This exact thing was a major part of TC's maturation as a coach.
Don't you feel he has always been respectful, open, willing to speak any time etc... ? THen the team goes through some stuff and they literally asked him how and why he still has a job at a presser to say goodbye to a HOF coach. If you spend years being good to the media and the moment they smell blood in the water, try to make your career a joke and get you canned from what must be a job he holds dearly, how would you not become extremely sick and tired of the games and BS.
If you can, find my thread where Dan Boyle talks about how reporting and negative press DOES affect plenty of people. THere is no reason whatsoever for fans to defend any media because they cause legit issues.
Link - ( New Window )
He did not say Mike did not know what he was talking about. He was not arrogant. People should listen to the interview before they chime in. Not a Reese fan or hater - but the implication of the article is not fair.
When you've had a run of success, it is OK to be dismissive and act like you know better, but when you have a run of poor performance, you have to tone it down a bit.
He doesn't even have to change the message. He can just start out everything with "Our performance hasn't been very good over the past few years and we are trying to change that".
Heck, if you lead with that, you can even say "Our performance hasn't been very good over the past few years and we are trying to change that, but you really don't know what you are talking about regarding our decision with Apple, yada, yada, yada".
Whenever you tell people they don't know what they are talking about, they get defensive, even if it is true. Just look at the way a lot of the mouth-breathers here react when they are called out.
Maybe what he communicates to the press has absolutely nothing to do with how is evaluated by his boss...
My thoughts exactly.
hoping for the best
we need a tackle
The Reese stuff has gotten out of control this offseason, does he stutter at times? Yes. Has he had the greatest overall draft record as of late? Not really.
But this is still the man who has nailed pretty much every single 1st round pick since he took the position maybe outside of Prince which was a no-brainer (value-wise) at the time of the selection. He's brought in plenty of quality free agents such as Rolle, Canty, Boley, the undrafted Victor Cruz.
Also, Jerry Reese can't control car accidents, freak weight-lifting injuries, fireworks mishaps, knee injuries or any of the other excessive cases of weird bad luck that has ravaged this roster through the last several years.
The popular narrative is that poor old Tom Coughlin was given chopped liver to work with. In reality, Reese put together a 2015 roster that was a c*nt hair away from being in the playoffs if we made on single, sane coaching decision at the end of any one of about 5 games.
Jerry Reese is a championship GM.
Daimontre Moore could have been a 10+ sacks guys if he wasn't retarded. Beckham, Richburg, Pugh, Flowers, Collins, Kennard, and even guys like Tye. Reese is better than decent. It's easy to say, wince we lost the GM is bad. It's better to remember that we lost 8 games by less than a touchdown last year. Tom Coughlin cost us last year's division championship. He lost his job himself.
Reese gave him enough tools to beat the crappy teams put out by Dallas, Philly, and DC. And if he succeeded well enough, he would have had the tools we got this off-season too. We were coming into this money either way. And I like what Reese has done, both in FA and the draft. And we have next draft for a RT and Will if FA doesn't pan out this year, and I still think we can win the division this year.
I'd be disappointed with anything less than a 9-7 season. I expect us to go 10-6 and Wild Card into the playoffs. And that's due in large part to Reese and the organizational values as a whole. Character helps a lot in this league.
FWIW, I think he did well in FA and on paper, I liked our draft a lot for the most part. We'll see how it translates.
Say that he wasn't the GM who built the 2007 team, but Kawika Mitchell was a critical addition and draft picks Steve Smith, Bradshaw, Boss, Ross and Alford all had their moment or moments in the spotlight.
In a season where the outcome of so many games teetered on the edge of a knife, subtracting any of them from the team might have resulted in a different outcome. (I'll always feel sorry for Steve Smith in that his really heads up catch and run to the sticks on 3rd and 11 will always be lost on highlight films, sandwiched in between the Tyree catch and the Burress TD catch.)
He has made some mistakes in the draft and has had more trouble with injuries than many, and now the team has had three losing seasons. Reese would probably agree (at least in private) that he has to produce this year
But you can't take away the two championships from him or Coughlin.
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should read Colin's thread. I have to imagine it's pretty difficult to be portrayed as a babbling idiot in a pressure cooker situation that is the NFL draft when in reality the facts seem to point to being well-organized, sensible and thorough.
The Reese stuff has gotten out of control this offseason, does he stutter at times? Yes. Has he had the greatest overall draft record as of late? Not really.
But this is still the man who has nailed pretty much every single 1st round pick since he took the position maybe outside of Prince which was a no-brainer (value-wise) at the time of the selection. He's brought in plenty of quality free agents such as Rolle, Canty, Boley, the undrafted Victor Cruz.
Also, Jerry Reese can't control car accidents, freak weight-lifting injuries, fireworks mishaps, knee injuries or any of the other excessive cases of weird bad luck that has ravaged this roster through the last several years.
The popular narrative is that poor old Tom Coughlin was given chopped liver to work with. In reality, Reese put together a 2015 roster that was a c*nt hair away from being in the playoffs if we made on single, sane coaching decision at the end of any one of about 5 games.
Jerry Reese is a championship GM.
Daimontre Moore could have been a 10+ sacks guys if he wasn't retarded. Beckham, Richburg, Pugh, Flowers, Collins, Kennard, and even guys like Tye. Reese is better than decent. It's easy to say, wince we lost the GM is bad. It's better to remember that we lost 8 games by less than a touchdown last year. Tom Coughlin cost us last year's division championship. He lost his job himself.
Reese gave him enough tools to beat the crappy teams put out by Dallas, Philly, and DC. And if he succeeded well enough, he would have had the tools we got this off-season too. We were coming into this money either way. And I like what Reese has done, both in FA and the draft. And we have next draft for a RT and Will if FA doesn't pan out this year, and I still think we can win the division this year.
I'd be disappointed with anything less than a 9-7 season. I expect us to go 10-6 and Wild Card into the playoffs. And that's due in large part to Reese and the organizational values as a whole. Character helps a lot in this league.
TC did hurt his own chances of being retained BUT JR didn't give him the best groceries to work with. Yes....he did give him a few nice cuts of meat but the veggies and grain were sub-par. As for the money you never know how it is spent IF TC overachieves ... a false sense of security has been as issue as well. The we can make dude with projects and injured vets.
In the long and short run the losing is actually going to help move in the proper direction...otherwise I think we might have kept going in circles.
He has a vision of a crappy right side of the OL?
I'm thinking of the shabby treatment given to Justin Tuck, a hero of both Super Bowls, and especially the first. Given a low ball offer that, even though he would have taken less money from the Giants to return, was to him an insult.
Tuck could have attached himself to Moore and taught him how to behave. He could have taught or "mentored" the other young linemen. That's why the armed forces during war pluck out the experienced NCOs to go back to the States to train others, or attach them to raw, inexperienced units.
"Well, obviously [the roster] was lacking in some talent otherwise we wouldn't be 6-10," Mara said. "We have a lot of holes to fill, particularly on the defensive side of the ball. You can't hide from your record and the record indicates we do not have enough championship-caliber players."
""But we had a few in there where we just haven't seen the production. You know, your core players are your third, fourth, fifth-year players and you look back at those draft classes and there are just not a lot of them playing right now."
seasons. He really needs to STFU and prove it.
Ya know they keep score for a reason, just sick of
this guy and his excuses and blame reflecting. Fix
it first and then get back to us on the good stuff discussions
No, you don't because you've never been through it. It can make you say things that you wouldn't have said if you weren't becoming unhinged by all the attention of the media.
No one could accuse me of being a Reese fan. I've been against him in many instances, most frequently for cutting productive veterans before he had anyone to replace them. And saying that the Giants were a playoff team if Coughlin hadn't messed with the clock - a myth. Playoff teams don't have the 32nd worst defense against the run and the 29th worst defense in points allowed. The defensive roster was beyond awful.
But I'll cut him a break if he's a little rattled right now. In 1961, when Roger Maris was chasing Ruth's home run record, the pressure on him was so bad that his hair began to fall out in clumps - due to nothing but the state of his nerves.
No, you don't because you've never been through it. It can make you say things that you wouldn't have said if you weren't becoming unhinged by all the attention of the media.
No one could accuse me of being a Reese fan. I've been against him in many instances, most frequently for cutting productive veterans before he had anyone to replace them. And saying that the Giants were a playoff team if Coughlin hadn't messed with the clock - a myth. Playoff teams don't have the 32nd worst defense against the run and the 29th worst defense in points allowed. The defensive roster was beyond awful.
But I'll cut him a break if he's a little rattled right now. In 1961, when Roger Maris was chasing Ruth's home run record, the pressure on him was so bad that his hair began to fall out in clumps - due to nothing but the state of his nerves.
WTF does Roger Maris and the HR record have to do with Jerry Reese?