I'm not sure if that's the right word but he comes off as defensive or a know it all. That doesn't help matters. If I was Mara I would tell him to STFU.
when Coughlin and Parcells gets lauded for treating them like shit. Guess what? He's 100% right. The media doesn't know shit outside of breaking scoops.
they went over the scenario many times. At ten, there were only so many things that could potentially, realistically, happen. And they liked Apple there--not getting cute and tying to move down and get him which everyone thinks is a no-brainer.
about this stuff sometimes. Combine that with his penchant for stuttering and you have a guy simply doesn't come across all that well when speaking publicly. Not really a big deal (one would hope).
mainly for seemingly being out of touch with how he should handle things sometimes.
When you've had a run of success, it is OK to be dismissive and act like you know better, but when you have a run of poor performance, you have to tone it down a bit.
He doesn't even have to change the message. He can just start out everything with "Our performance hasn't been very good over the past few years and we are trying to change that".
Heck, if you lead with that, you can even say "Our performance hasn't been very good over the past few years and we are trying to change that, but you really don't know what you are talking about regarding our decision with Apple, yada, yada, yada".
Whenever you tell people they don't know what they are talking about, they get defensive, even if it is true. Just look at the way a lot of the mouth-breathers here react when they are called out.
GM's main function is done behind closed doors (working the phones, evaluating prospects, etc). Not everyone is a ham for the cameras like Accorsi was.
some recent improvement, his drafts haven’t been nearly good enough to justify making that kind of comment.
The most dangerous offensive weapon in the league, 3 potential cornerstone pieces for the OL, and an excellent DT in Hankins isn't good enough over the last 3 drafts? Teams aren't just hitting on their mid to late rounders on the reg like you would think.
Reese did an awful job building a suitable offensive line to protect Eli Manning after Ohara, Snee etc were on their way out of the door. The offensive line still isn’t perfect to this day. He had his complete whiff being the 2012 draft and before you know it the Giants offensive line is getting killed by the Carolina Panthers 38-0 because Greg Hardy is feeding Will Beatty his lunch. Even the “talent’ on the defensive line was absolutely pathetic for the last couple of years, the site of Romo getting 8 or whatever seconds to throw a pass in 2014 burns my mind.
Reese did an awful job building a suitable offensive line to protect Eli Manning after Ohara, Snee etc were on their way out of the door. The offensive line still isn’t perfect to this day. He had his complete whiff being the 2012 draft and before you know it the Giants offensive line is getting killed by the Carolina Panthers 38-0 because Greg Hardy is feeding Will Beatty his lunch. Even the “talent’ on the defensive line was absolutely pathetic for the last couple of years, the site of Romo getting 8 or whatever seconds to throw a pass in 2014 burns my mind.
We do have Odell.
Who do you think went to bat to O'Hara, Diehl, and Snee? My suspicions is that TC had more to do with the decline of our OL than we will know.
Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
I didn’t mention that he didn’t bat for them, I’m saying the line crumbled being time after those guys were gone. Brewer? Mitch Petrus? Mosley? Dave Diehl was out there 2 more years than he should've been.
Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
Look at the 2007 draft class that Jerry Reese was solely responsible for. Without some of those guys, we don't win that championship.
Prior to 2007, while Reese didn't make the picks, he sure had a lot to do with scouting and evaluating them.
Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
I didn’t mention that he didn’t bat for them, I’m saying the line crumbled being time after those guys were gone. Brewer? Mitch Petrus? Mosley? Dave Diehl was out there 2 more years than he should've been.
….Will Beatty?
Some of that is on development. What does it say that we got rid of TC's OL coach and brought in someone known for DEVELOPING solid OL's? Also, you're being willfully obtuse if you don't think Coughlin went to bat to keep declining players meaningful snaps on the OL. That is one unit where he has shown to be completely risk averse in rolling with a younger guy.
Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
He had a even bigger hand putting the Giants in the state (hole) they have been in for the last 4 years. You would have to go back to the teams of the 70's to find a Giants team more void of talent than the 2015 NY Giants.
seems like things are more streamlined now. Maybe with Coughlin gone he's free to build the team to his vision instead of having to compromise, and I think that's a good thing.
Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
He had a even bigger hand putting the Giants in the state (hole) they have been in for the last 4 years. You would have to go back to the teams of the 70's to find a Giants team more void of talent than the 2015 NY Giants.
Reese sure deserves blame, and has accepted it, but- he is not solely responsible for the last 4 years. The Giants as an organization decided to gamble on extending players who had previously performed well, hoping they would return to form.
Combine that with some poor drafting, some shitty luck with injuries (from picks + FAs), and the risks made by Reese and Ross look worse than they were in the first place.
I'm with Fatman on this one - I'm a pretty staunch defender Â
of Reese's, but he's got to learn to be more diplomatic when handling the media.
How much does it affect him? Probably squat - I doubt the media reaction/impression has any impact at all on Reese's evaluation, but when given the choice of either issuing meaningless statements meant to placate the media versus getting combative, he should go path of least resistance with them. He's not going to win a war of words with the media anyhow, why bother expending the energy even trying?
A lot of GMs like Reese came up via the player personnel departments-so essentially scouts. Their primary skill is evaluation of talent and often they tell it like it is. Communication and public relations is left to guys like Hanlon (not that Pat has always held his tongue).
Problem is GMs and coaches are the face of the organization not the PR guy. The ability to deflect a provoking question or use humor/personality to squash an issue is a gift or at least a skill learned over time. He does not have that nuance but it’s not what he was hired to do or what got him the GM job.
Also George Young, one of the all-time greats, was no day at the beach.
Why is anyone surprised that both Reese and Ross have taken Â
on the same attitude as the PR director? Hanlon is often prickly, dismissive, unpolished and combative. He and or his staff are responsible for the press conferences. They're the ones that coach people who aren't natural public speakers.
Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
He had a even bigger hand putting the Giants in the state (hole) they have been in for the last 4 years. You would have to go back to the teams of the 70's to find a Giants team more void of talent than the 2015 NY Giants.
I think the injuries had a larger role in putting the Giants roster in the hole it is in now. You can't just state that Reese is 100% responsible for where we are, when neither of us know how these personnel decisions get made behind closed doors. Coaches go to bat for guys in the later rounds, and those coaches that couldn't develop the depth got shown the door. IMO the 2011 SB convinced our FO AND coaches that our roster was better than it actually was at the time.
Sure, but the kid had physical talent. Size, feet, and was a strong guy. These mid round guys aren't NFL ready products, the expectation is that the position coaches can help them develop into NFL players.
Mike said something like a lot of people thought you were caught off guard and "forced" into the apple pick. Reese essentially said that they did not know what they are talking about. Apple would have been picked in the next couple picks and he represented value and need.
He did not say Mike did not know what he was talking about. He was not arrogant. People should listen to the interview before they chime in. Not a Reese fan or hater - but the implication of the article is not fair.
should read Colin's thread. I have to imagine it's pretty difficult to be portrayed as a babbling idiot in a pressure cooker situation that is the NFL draft when in reality the facts seem to point to being well-organized, sensible and thorough.
The Reese stuff has gotten out of control this offseason, does he stutter at times? Yes. Has he had the greatest overall draft record as of late? Not really.
But this is still the man who has nailed pretty much every single 1st round pick since he took the position maybe outside of Prince which was a no-brainer (value-wise) at the time of the selection. He's brought in plenty of quality free agents such as Rolle, Canty, Boley, the undrafted Victor Cruz.
Also, Jerry Reese can't control car accidents, freak weight-lifting injuries, fireworks mishaps, knee injuries or any of the other excessive cases of weird bad luck that has ravaged this roster through the last several years.
The popular narrative is that poor old Tom Coughlin was given chopped liver to work with. In reality, Reese put together a 2015 roster that was a c*nt hair away from being in the playoffs if we made on single, sane coaching decision at the end of any one of about 5 games.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Exactly. This is some hack reporter trying to invent a controversial story.
+1.
When you've had a run of success, it is OK to be dismissive and act like you know better, but when you have a run of poor performance, you have to tone it down a bit.
He doesn't even have to change the message. He can just start out everything with "Our performance hasn't been very good over the past few years and we are trying to change that".
Heck, if you lead with that, you can even say "Our performance hasn't been very good over the past few years and we are trying to change that, but you really don't know what you are talking about regarding our decision with Apple, yada, yada, yada".
Whenever you tell people they don't know what they are talking about, they get defensive, even if it is true. Just look at the way a lot of the mouth-breathers here react when they are called out.
The most dangerous offensive weapon in the league, 3 potential cornerstone pieces for the OL, and an excellent DT in Hankins isn't good enough over the last 3 drafts? Teams aren't just hitting on their mid to late rounders on the reg like you would think.
You don't know what you're talking about!
I know he has to deal with a lot of morons in the Media, so that's easier said than done.
We do have Odell.
We do have Odell.
Who do you think went to bat to O'Hara, Diehl, and Snee? My suspicions is that TC had more to do with the decline of our OL than we will know.
….Will Beatty?
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Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
Look at the 2007 draft class that Jerry Reese was solely responsible for. Without some of those guys, we don't win that championship.
Prior to 2007, while Reese didn't make the picks, he sure had a lot to do with scouting and evaluating them.
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Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
….Will Beatty?
Some of that is on development. What does it say that we got rid of TC's OL coach and brought in someone known for DEVELOPING solid OL's? Also, you're being willfully obtuse if you don't think Coughlin went to bat to keep declining players meaningful snaps on the OL. That is one unit where he has shown to be completely risk averse in rolling with a younger guy.
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Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
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Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
He had a even bigger hand putting the Giants in the state (hole) they have been in for the last 4 years. You would have to go back to the teams of the 70's to find a Giants team more void of talent than the 2015 NY Giants.
Reese sure deserves blame, and has accepted it, but- he is not solely responsible for the last 4 years. The Giants as an organization decided to gamble on extending players who had previously performed well, hoping they would return to form.
Combine that with some poor drafting, some shitty luck with injuries (from picks + FAs), and the risks made by Reese and Ross look worse than they were in the first place.
How much does it affect him? Probably squat - I doubt the media reaction/impression has any impact at all on Reese's evaluation, but when given the choice of either issuing meaningless statements meant to placate the media versus getting combative, he should go path of least resistance with them. He's not going to win a war of words with the media anyhow, why bother expending the energy even trying?
Problem is GMs and coaches are the face of the organization not the PR guy. The ability to deflect a provoking question or use humor/personality to squash an issue is a gift or at least a skill learned over time. He does not have that nuance but it’s not what he was hired to do or what got him the GM job.
Also George Young, one of the all-time greats, was no day at the beach.
Nothing wrong with the kit plane. Denver didn't put enough gas in it though.
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Win a third super bowl and you'll shut us up. Until then you've only won two. Loser.
Did he build those two SB teams or inherit them from EA? I ask because there are only two players on the team that he drafted from 2007 thru 2012 (JPP and DeOssie); one if you don't consider the long snapper a real player (:o>
He had a huge hand in building those teams too. HE didn't just inherit a SB winning roster. He's been responsible for the draft board 2004-2007. Those classes have gotten us Snee, Tuck, Jacobs, and Corey Webster.
He had a even bigger hand putting the Giants in the state (hole) they have been in for the last 4 years. You would have to go back to the teams of the 70's to find a Giants team more void of talent than the 2015 NY Giants.
I think the injuries had a larger role in putting the Giants roster in the hole it is in now. You can't just state that Reese is 100% responsible for where we are, when neither of us know how these personnel decisions get made behind closed doors. Coaches go to bat for guys in the later rounds, and those coaches that couldn't develop the depth got shown the door. IMO the 2011 SB convinced our FO AND coaches that our roster was better than it actually was at the time.
Sure, but the kid had physical talent. Size, feet, and was a strong guy. These mid round guys aren't NFL ready products, the expectation is that the position coaches can help them develop into NFL players.
Please don't judge us. It's not our fault Reese is like this.
:)
He did not say Mike did not know what he was talking about. He was not arrogant. People should listen to the interview before they chime in. Not a Reese fan or hater - but the implication of the article is not fair.
The Reese stuff has gotten out of control this offseason, does he stutter at times? Yes. Has he had the greatest overall draft record as of late? Not really.
But this is still the man who has nailed pretty much every single 1st round pick since he took the position maybe outside of Prince which was a no-brainer (value-wise) at the time of the selection. He's brought in plenty of quality free agents such as Rolle, Canty, Boley, the undrafted Victor Cruz.
Also, Jerry Reese can't control car accidents, freak weight-lifting injuries, fireworks mishaps, knee injuries or any of the other excessive cases of weird bad luck that has ravaged this roster through the last several years.
The popular narrative is that poor old Tom Coughlin was given chopped liver to work with. In reality, Reese put together a 2015 roster that was a c*nt hair away from being in the playoffs if we made on single, sane coaching decision at the end of any one of about 5 games.
Jerry Reese is a championship GM.