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Jaguars Decline Option On Fifth Year For Offensive Left Tackle Luke Joeckel

Daniel in Kentucky : 5/3/2016 5:54 pm
Do the Giants have a shot?
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mmm  
BleedBlue : 5/3/2016 5:55 pm : link
they are probably just going to work out a long term deal instead of having him one year under last year of rookie contract and then losing him to free agency.

I would doubt they have any interest in trading him
Next year when his 4th  
section125 : 5/3/2016 5:57 pm : link
year is up, maybe.
Think about it though - if the Jags are contemplating letting Joekel become a FA after next season, would the Giants want him?
Giants already took the option on Pugh, BTW.
How does Pugh look now?  
yatqb : 5/3/2016 5:59 pm : link
I love it.
Have you guys followed Joeckel? He's been bad  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/3/2016 5:59 pm : link
They're not working out a long term deal. If they do make a long term deal, it will be with his replacement, Kelvin Beachum.

Joeckel lost his starting job.
The article is wrong  
ron mexico : 5/3/2016 5:59 pm : link
the option is for the 2017 season, not 2016.

he is still under contract for this year
It's like the Bucs with Doug Martin.  
Klaatu : 5/3/2016 6:01 pm : link
They declined the 5th year option, and then he had a monster 2015 season and they signed him to a five-year deal.

Of course, you run the risk that some other team may sign your player.
I don't believe this report regarding salary due is accurate.  
3putt : 5/3/2016 6:06 pm : link
If you decline the 5th year option, the player becomes a free agent. The option year is not, I believe, tied to the franchise tag numbers. It is a specific amount contained in the rookies contract.
They are planning on moving Joeckel to guard  
Jay on the Island : 5/3/2016 6:06 pm : link
when Beachum is healthy. He has been a huge disappointment. He would be worth a look on a short term deal if the price was right. Perhaps Solari can get something out of him. He isn't a free agent until next year so this is his big chance to have a breakout year and make a fortune next year if he plays well.
5th year option pricing  
ron mexico : 5/3/2016 6:15 pm : link
There's a difference in option year salary depending where in the first round a player is drafted. The fifth year salary for the top 10 picks is the transition tender (average of the 10 highest salaries) for a player's position in fourth year of his contract. With players selected outside of the top 10 (picks 11-32), the fifth-year salary is the average of the third through twenty-fifth highest salaries at a player's position. The chart below contains the fifth year or option year salaries for 2012 first round picks.
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RE: Have you guys followed Joeckel? He's been bad  
Bleedin Blue : 5/3/2016 6:22 pm : link
In comment 12943514 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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They're not working out a long term deal. If they do make a long term deal, it will be with his replacement, Kelvin Beachum.

Joeckel lost his starting job.


^^^^^This^^^^^
He had trouble from the get go in handling speed rushers and if I remember correctly he's had some knee issues. Never really panned out!
Joeckel  
stretch234 : 5/3/2016 9:18 pm : link
Another of those cant miss plug in for 10 year players who has played shitty and team is really worried about long term.
why do.e on BBI won't acknowledge Pugh was a good pick is beyond ne  
PatersonPlank : 5/3/2016 10:21 pm : link
Look at the OL before him
Ugh, cell phone  
PatersonPlank : 5/3/2016 10:23 pm : link
Do.e = some.
Also I meant to write look at the OL players selected before him
He's quietly been one of the worst  
bubba0825 : 5/3/2016 11:09 pm : link
Picks in nfl history.... 2nd overall. Maybe cause that draft was a dumpster fire
Joeckel has been a bust this far  
Patrick77 : 5/3/2016 11:34 pm : link
Almost on the level of Jason Smith. He might not be a viable option at any position for any team.

Maybe he turns it around by so far it isn't good.
RE: why do.e on BBI won't acknowledge Pugh was a good pick is beyond ne  
allstarjim : 5/4/2016 12:08 am : link
In comment 12943955 PatersonPlank said:
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Look at the OL before him


Pugh was a good pick. A better pick would've been Terron Armstead. But I never was a big critic of the Pugh pick. I'm glad he's working out, even if it is at OG. Getting a reliable, good guard late in the first is a lot better than what a lot of teams do, particularly in that 2013 draft, which was mostly a dumpster fire.
Picking  
NJGiantFan84 : 5/4/2016 1:12 am : link
Up the option guarantees the money. Joeckel has been bad, real bad. Didn't they bring a vet in to replace him this off season? Cant remember who. Anyway, he has also had injuries. Picking up his option means he is guaranteed that money and they dont want to Guarantee himt that money with so many unknowns. If he improves, they can work out a long term deal.
RE: Picking  
pjcas18 : 5/4/2016 1:26 am : link
In comment 12944046 NJGiantFan84 said:
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Up the option guarantees the money. Joeckel has been bad, real bad. Didn't they bring a vet in to replace him this off season? Cant remember who. Anyway, he has also had injuries. Picking up his option means he is guaranteed that money and they dont want to Guarantee himt that money with so many unknowns. If he improves, they can work out a long term deal.


No, it's only guaranteed for injury (if the player suffers an injury and cannot play in 2017 during the 2016 season the contract becomes guaranteed). it does not become fully guaranteed until the first day of the 2017 NFL season (this year it was March 8) up until that time the player can be cut for performance and become a free agent.
Pugh picked 19th....  
Rafflee : 5/4/2016 9:09 am : link
He's a competitive and Versatile OL piece. He's a widget. He's certainly not a Top OL player. As the 19th player in the Draft????..... I guess the big question would be whether you could have drafted similar production in rds 3/4/5....he was able to play immediately...and he'll get better.... but he's not ever going to be a top tier guy.
I think Pugh is a godo guard  
pjcas18 : 5/4/2016 9:29 am : link
and one that the Giants should retain longer term if he can remain concussion free this season.

However the complaints about him are legitimate.

19 isn't too early to pick a guard per se, but the Giants drafted him to play OT and in terms of salary cap and expenditures and probably importance to protecting your QB investment, OT are more valuable.

if the Giants knew Pugh would wind up at G would they still have taken him with the 19th pick is the question you need answered.

My gut says no, but that's semantics, he's a good player and fits in nicely with the line.

In baseball terminology it would be like moving a shortstop prospect to second base or a catcher to 1B. they lose some value with the position move that doesn't mean they aren't a good player or have value.
godo  
pjcas18 : 5/4/2016 9:30 am : link
= good
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