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NFT: Yankees (8-15) @ Orioles (14-10) - Tues Ed.

RasputinPrime : 5/3/2016 7:05 pm

1. Jacoby Ellsbury (L) CF (.247/.286/.371, 0.2 bWAR)
2. Brett Gardner (L) LF (.243/.364/.351, 0.5 bWAR)
3. Alex Rodriguez (R) DH (.203/.286/.464, 0.2 bWAR)
4. Mark Teixeira (S) 1B (.225/.347/.350, 0.5 bWAR)
5. Brian McCann (L) C (.262/.360/.415, 0.4 bWAR)
6. Carlos Beltran (S) RF (.250/.273/.429, -0.1 bWAR)
7. Starlin Castro (R) 2B (.314/.352/.500, 0.5 bWAR)
8. Didi Gregorius (L) SS (.221/.250/.338, -0.4 bWAR)
9. Chase Headley (S) 3B (.156/.267/.156, -0.5 bWAR)

Severino
vs.
Tillman

1. Joey Rickard (R) LF (.278/.308/.392, -0.4 bWAR)
2. Manny Machado (R) SS (.350/.404/.660, 1.7 bWAR)
3. Adam Jones (R) CF (.225/.304/.324, -0.5 bWAR)
4. Chris Davis (L) 1B (.236/.352/.494, 0.8 bWAR)
5. Mark Trumbo (R) RF (.330/.376/.553, 0.4 bWAR)
6. Matt Wieters (S) C (.214/.290/.304, 0.0 bWAR)
7. Pedro Alvarez (L) DH (.216/.322/.353, -0.1 bWAR)
8. Jonathan Schoop (R) 2B (.220/.256/.415, -0.1 bWAR)
9. Ryan Flaherty (L) 3B (.200/.273/.200, -0.1 bWAR)
And they waste a  
Shadow : 5/3/2016 7:16 pm : link
Gardner double with one out.
This team  
nygnyy274 : 5/3/2016 7:42 pm : link
Just can not hold a lead very long
Buck has the remarkable ability...  
Dunedin81 : 5/3/2016 7:51 pm : link
to revitalized the career of shitty power hitters. Call him the lumberjack whisperer.
just want to see Severino  
RasputinPrime : 5/3/2016 7:52 pm : link
get it going. He hasn't looked good in any of his starts so far.
His slider hasn't been the same this year...  
Dunedin81 : 5/3/2016 7:56 pm : link
IDK what the issue is.
Murphy's law with this fucking team  
Dunedin81 : 5/3/2016 8:26 pm : link
...
lol  
RasputinPrime : 5/3/2016 8:26 pm : link
yep that just happened. Severino....
Clownteam  
B in ALB : 5/3/2016 8:29 pm : link
.
Right down the pipe and Headley  
B in ALB : 5/3/2016 8:33 pm : link
just stands there like an idiot. Fuck you Chase.
Mccann  
RasputinPrime : 5/3/2016 8:47 pm : link
isn't going to survive the season with the bats, balls and dirt he keeps taking to the face.
Making a pile of shit like Trumbull look good  
Greg from LI : 5/3/2016 8:50 pm : link
Figures
Fuck Trumbo...  
Dunedin81 : 5/3/2016 8:51 pm : link
and the procession of shitty hitters who find new life under that bitter piece of trash.
Why are they challenging?  
section125 : 5/3/2016 9:05 pm : link
McCann pushed his foot onto the bag before his git there. Definitely out
LOL  
terz22 : 5/3/2016 9:15 pm : link
Headley wasnt even close.

This team is such a dumpster fire.
They've now scored more than 3 runs in a game  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/3/2016 9:21 pm : link
once in the past 10 games.

And Severino looked awful in every conceivable way.
Headley with the final out.  
bceagle05 : 5/3/2016 9:51 pm : link
He's hitting below .150 with two RBIs. Ouch.
RE: Headley with the final out.  
terz22 : 5/3/2016 9:55 pm : link
In comment 12943892 bceagle05 said:
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He's hitting below .150 with two RBIs. Ouch.


This guy has to ride the bench enough already.
Enough is enough  
Justlurking : 5/3/2016 9:55 pm : link
They need to start benching guys - starting with Headley. Cannot accept this. It's not even poor play, it's atrocious. 13th worst slugging percentage in first month OF ALL TIME.
As a Giants Rangers Knicks Yankees fan...  
djm : 5/3/2016 9:56 pm : link
Has it even been worse than right now? I mean the Giants are basically our only hope here for 2016 if you're a fan of the Fab Four....
No reason to worry.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/3/2016 9:57 pm : link
I'm sure they kids in the minors will come up and have great careers just like so many in our system have over the past however many years it is now. lel.
Has it ever been worse...  
djm : 5/3/2016 9:58 pm : link
.
It is  
nygnyy274 : 5/3/2016 9:58 pm : link
Going to be real interesting to see what this teams record will be after the next home stand is over.
*the kids.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/3/2016 9:58 pm : link
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RE: As a Giants Rangers Knicks Yankees fan...  
Del Shofner : 5/3/2016 10:50 pm : link
In comment 12943903 djm said:
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Has it even been worse than right now? I mean the Giants are basically our only hope here for 2016 if you're a fan of the Fab Four....


yeah, pretty bad. Trying to think of comparable times and can't. Usually at least two of the four teams are decent at a time.
There are  
Photoguy : 5/3/2016 11:30 pm : link
just no words. I'm speechless.


I am without speech.
Re: Fab Four fans  
loafin : 5/3/2016 11:46 pm : link
I think you have to go back to the mid 70's. Just after the Knicks championship years and before the Yankees Billy Martin world series years. I don't remember the Rangers doing much in those years and the Giants were dreadful until the early 80's

I'm convinced  
blueblood'11 : 5/4/2016 6:57 am : link
The Yankees organizational skills as it pertains to their player development have eroded to unfathomable depths. Apparently Rob Refsnyder has now been moved back to right field at AAA Scranton.

This move to me is a microcosm of how the Yankees work right now. You have a kid in Refsnyder who has hit at every level he has played as an outfielder. The Yankees tried to force feed him as an infielder because of the precense of Beltran and A- Rod as the full time DH. He still showed he can hit but maybe the infield wasn't for him as the Yankees try to fuck up another young promising prospect.

You have a kid you know can hit in Refsnyder. So you trade for a head case in Hicks to play in an outfield rotation but hasn't shown he can hit consistently at all. They got him to hit predominantly against left handed pitching even though he is a switch hitter. Ahh, he's a switch hitter. Great glove great arm but nothing else. Why not Refsnyder in that rotation if you're only going to use Hicks against lefties.

Now we find out Refsnyder is back in the outfield. Can you say Joba.
He played one fucking game in RF  
Dunedin81 : 5/4/2016 8:23 am : link
Slow down
A couple minor league notes from yesterday...  
Dunedin81 : 5/4/2016 8:53 am : link
Chad Green (Justin Wilson deal) went 6 IP, 4 H 1 R 1 ER 1 BB 2 K, has a 1.45 ERA on the season. 27:11 K:BB in 31 IP. He and Cessa are probably the next men up if they need a starter.

Tyler Austin was 2-4 with his first dinger of the season, hitting .287. He was basically demoted to AA to start the season so you would expect him to excel, but I still root for the kid.
Ronald Herrera followed up his no-hitter by taking another no hitter into the 6th, when the wheels fell off.
Jon Holder went 1.1 scoreless, 1 BB and 3 K, insane 25:2 K:BB in 13.2 IP.

Jorge Mateo 2-4 with his 3rd HR, BB, SB, CS. Last year he had just one HR leave the yard.
Miguel Andujar 4-5, HR, 2 2B, 1B, hitting .340 over his last 12 games.
Brody Koerner 7.1 IP 5 H 2 R 2 ER 0 BB 4 K 1 HBP, he has been a nice surprise this year
RE: As a Giants Rangers Knicks Yankees fan...  
Greg from LI : 5/4/2016 9:04 am : link
In comment 12943903 djm said:
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Has it even been worse than right now? I mean the Giants are basically our only hope here for 2016 if you're a fan of the Fab Four....


It's the worst of my lifetime (I'm 39). I was actually talking to my dad about this, and the only period he could think of that compared was 1965-67. The Rangers and Knicks started to come to life by 1967-68, but both were still cellar-dwellers a few years earlier, the Giants won all of one game in 1966, and the Yankees lost 90 games in 1967 for the first time since they were the Highlanders.
I'm the same except for the Devils...  
Dunedin81 : 5/4/2016 9:05 am : link
all four of my teams suck right now but only one admits it.
and the only one that might be on the upswing is the Giants  
Greg from LI : 5/4/2016 9:07 am : link
The Rangers are IMO on the brink of a major decline, the Yankees look hopeless for the immediate future, and the Knicks are the Knicks.
Dune, on the bright side, Hoos baseball is doing it again!  
Greg from LI : 5/4/2016 9:11 am : link
Peaking at the right time. Just like last year, no one's going to want to face us in the regionals. The 1-2 of Connor Jones and Adam Haseley is as good as anyone in the country and the bats are coming alive.

Between that and the optimism Bronco's bringing to the football program, all of my good sports vibes are coming from Charlottesville these days.
The Yanks have a modest light...  
Dunedin81 : 5/4/2016 9:12 am : link
at the end of the tunnel. They shed contracts over the next couple years, just in time for the 2018 offseason. But they really need some of these kids to click and if they are out of it at the deadline they need to sell and to sell effectively. When the time comes they need to be able to buy finishing touches, not the whole damn thing.
RE: RE: As a Giants Rangers Knicks Yankees fan...  
Del Shofner : 5/4/2016 9:14 am : link
In comment 12944181 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 12943903 djm said:


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Has it even been worse than right now? I mean the Giants are basically our only hope here for 2016 if you're a fan of the Fab Four....



It's the worst of my lifetime (I'm 39). I was actually talking to my dad about this, and the only period he could think of that compared was 1965-67. The Rangers and Knicks started to come to life by 1967-68, but both were still cellar-dwellers a few years earlier, the Giants won all of one game in 1966, and the Yankees lost 90 games in 1967 for the first time since they were the Highlanders.


'65-67 came to my mind as well.
People can scoff all they want  
Greg from LI : 5/4/2016 9:15 am : link
But the Yankees have had obscenely rotten luck lately on top of some poor decisions.
Whats the deal  
BIG FRED 1973 : 5/4/2016 9:20 am : link
with Kaprielian Did they put him on the DL ?
RE: Whats the deal  
Dunedin81 : 5/4/2016 9:21 am : link
In comment 12944205 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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with Kaprielian Did they put him on the DL ?


He is on the DL, still shut down from what I gather.
I think Greg is correct  
arniefez : 5/4/2016 9:32 am : link
Mid 70's the Rangers were still pretty good and the Yankees were getting very good. I think mid 60's might be the last time it was this bleak for all four at the same time.
RE: Dune, on the bright side, Hoos baseball is doing it again!  
Dunedin81 : 5/4/2016 9:34 am : link
In comment 12944193 Greg from LI said:
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Peaking at the right time. Just like last year, no one's going to want to face us in the regionals. The 1-2 of Connor Jones and Adam Haseley is as good as anyone in the country and the bats are coming alive.

Between that and the optimism Bronco's bringing to the football program, all of my good sports vibes are coming from Charlottesville these days.


I haven't been to a game yet this year, I didn't realize until you mentioned it that Haseley had been that good. Their relief pitching is still a little dicey but they've got a shot to do some things.
Dunedin  
blueblood'11 : 5/4/2016 10:45 am : link
You don't find it odd that a guy they have been trying to convert to the infield and has shown he can hit is suddenly put back to his natural position if for one game? And who knows for how long after watching Beltran who is slumping and is a liability in the outfield, after watching Hicks who can't hit for shit and didn't either in Minnesota, and given the certainty of A-Rods health.

Add it all up. Hicks can't hit and was brought in as a rotational player to hit against left handed pitching which Refsnyder has shown he can do, Beltran can't field, and if A-Rod goes on the DL Beltran may very well be your everyday DH. Why not give Refsnyder Hicks spot and kick him to the curb. Refsnyder again has shown he can hit. Why they went and got Hicks in the first place was puzzling. Ohhh, he's a switch hitter. He did shit for the twins and has continued with the Yankees. So, in my opinion this bears watching. Because if they keep this shit up Cashman is going to do something. He said as much.
Where do the yanks even start to turn this mess around?  
micky : 5/4/2016 10:49 am : link
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RE: Dunedin  
Dunedin81 : 5/4/2016 11:00 am : link
In comment 12944388 blueblood'11 said:
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You don't find it odd that a guy they have been trying to convert to the infield and has shown he can hit is suddenly put back to his natural position if for one game? And who knows for how long after watching Beltran who is slumping and is a liability in the outfield, after watching Hicks who can't hit for shit and didn't either in Minnesota, and given the certainty of A-Rods health.

Add it all up. Hicks can't hit and was brought in as a rotational player to hit against left handed pitching which Refsnyder has shown he can do, Beltran can't field, and if A-Rod goes on the DL Beltran may very well be your everyday DH. Why not give Refsnyder Hicks spot and kick him to the curb. Refsnyder again has shown he can hit. Why they went and got Hicks in the first place was puzzling. Ohhh, he's a switch hitter. He did shit for the twins and has continued with the Yankees. So, in my opinion this bears watching. Because if they keep this shit up Cashman is going to do something. He said as much.


I think if the writing is on the wall for anyone it is Ackley. Hicks could potentially be optioned - I believe he still has options - while Ackley would require a DFA, but Ackley adds nothing right now.
RBI totals  
nygnyy274 : 5/4/2016 12:29 pm : link
from our three middle of the order hitters that the team relies on to drive in the bulk of the runs:

Teixeira: 11
Beltran: 9
McCann: 7

For comparison, here are the RBI totals for two NON-middle of the order hitters for the Sox:

Mookie Betts: 17
Brock Holt: 15
Jackie Bradley Jr: 13

Speaking of Buck...  
Dunedin81 : 5/4/2016 12:42 pm : link
he apparently had them put the tarp on the field right after the O's took BP to prevent the Yankees from doing so. He's a piece of shit and I root against him for that reason alone.
Can we start a Girardi  
xman : 5/4/2016 1:17 pm : link
countdown
Dunedin  
blueblood'11 : 5/4/2016 1:40 pm : link
They haven't given Ackley much of an opportunity. He showed last year he can hit and is a tough at bat. Hicks gives them nothing. Hicks has shown he is a terrific fielder but if he isn't hitting, then again who is, then I'd rather see them bring up Refsnyder and insert him in that outfield rotation.
RE: Speaking of Buck...  
Greg from LI : 5/4/2016 1:45 pm : link
In comment 12944701 Dunedin81 said:
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he apparently had them put the tarp on the field right after the O's took BP to prevent the Yankees from doing so. He's a piece of shit and I root against him for that reason alone.


Yup. Still bitter about being let go for blowing the 1995 ALDS.
Judge hit a dinger...  
Dunedin81 : 5/4/2016 2:09 pm : link
in the first inning this afternoon.
RE: Dunedin  
Dunedin81 : 5/4/2016 2:11 pm : link
In comment 12944953 blueblood'11 said:
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They haven't given Ackley much of an opportunity. He showed last year he can hit and is a tough at bat. Hicks gives them nothing. Hicks has shown he is a terrific fielder but if he isn't hitting, then again who is, then I'd rather see them bring up Refsnyder and insert him in that outfield rotation.


IDK, maybe they want to option Hicks and give him regular ABs. But if they liked what they were seeing from Ackley I think they would have found him some chances.
Dunedin.  
blueblood'11 : 5/4/2016 2:32 pm : link
That's the thing that is so confounding about the Yankees. They talked ad nauseum last year about much they desired Ackley for years and wanted to draft him before the Mariners got him. And over the years how often they tried to pry him away from the Mariners and now they hardly ever use him. But they keep sticking Hicks as well as Headley who when he fucking fouls a pitch off is a victory of sorts.
I'll be there  
Pete in MD : 5/4/2016 2:35 pm : link
tonight (wife's a Yankees fan.) Hopefully, the rain hold out.
RE: Dunedin.  
Dunedin81 : 5/4/2016 2:52 pm : link
In comment 12945109 blueblood'11 said:
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That's the thing that is so confounding about the Yankees. They talked ad nauseum last year about much they desired Ackley for years and wanted to draft him before the Mariners got him. And over the years how often they tried to pry him away from the Mariners and now they hardly ever use him. But they keep sticking Hicks as well as Headley who when he fucking fouls a pitch off is a victory of sorts.


They had a whole spring training to evaluate him, it's possible they finally got a sustained look and didn't much care for what they saw.
Dunedin  
blueblood'11 : 5/4/2016 4:59 pm : link
I think Ackley actually had a pretty good spring.
Ackley is not a good fielder  
Pego61 : 5/4/2016 5:07 pm : link
and has nowhere to play. Castro plays everyday. When ARod sits, maybe Ackley plays first. Hicks gets the starts when an OF sits. So really, Ackley was never going to get a legit chance this year, without injuries. Maybe ARod out will get him an extra day here and there, but not much. He's only really the primary backup at 1st and 2nd, and they rarely take days off.

The Yankees have attempted to place a greater emphasis on fielding in the past several years, at the expense of hitting. That's probably why someone like Refsnyder never got a chance to claim the 2B job. But, with that emphasis, we're not actually good at fielding and our hitting has gotten worse. We have gotten younger overall, but we still have too many big contracts for guys over 30. And teams don't win that way anymore.
Yeah was thinking mid upper 1960s might be the last time  
djm : 5/4/2016 7:24 pm : link
Not in my lifetime. Even 87-88 with the Giants somewhat struggling (10 wins in 88 but no playoffs) the tanks weren't bad yet and the Knicks were in that Pitino era I believe. Rangers were pretty good too.

Best night for me this past year was the draft and ESPN fucked that up like only they can, especially Friday night.
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