... for the Giants in 2017. By my count we have a total of two serious pass rushing threats on our team at defensive end and zero from the OLB position.
That's simply not enough.
Can O.O. provide a third legitimate threat?
Our team's success may well depend upon the answer to this question.
Second can he impact on the field at the NFL level. Anyones guess on this one as he redshirted his rookie season on IR.
If he isn't a contributor as a rotational DE it's going to hurt us. If he can make his presence felt we're pretty solid at the position.
M.S. is strictly talking about the Super Bowl run.
As far as pass rushers outside of Vernon and JPP, Hankins can rush from the inside and the added beef of Harrison will open up more blitzing lanes for our lbs. I also think Collins will be utilized more as a blitzer with our secondary additions. Kennard is nice as a pass rusher. I honestly think we might be OK in this regard.
Second can he impact on the field at the NFL level. Anyones guess on this one as he redshirted his rookie season on IR.
If he isn't a contributor as a rotational DE it's going to hurt us. If he can make his presence felt we're pretty solid at the position.
I honestly think he might be really good as an interior guy on 3rd down. Strong enough to go up against guards, his moves are "enough" in there to slip into the backfield and make a play. JPP, Diggy, Hank-dawg/Brom-dawg, Vernon with Kennard, Robinson and Collins threatening blitzes. Could be a tough defense. All of a sudden I like our depth on the back end with Thompson and maybe Jackson patrolling CF.
Should have drafted a pass rusher this draft.
With that said- if OO comes through and with the DB's and offensive skill we picked up, maybe we can be something this year and next. OP is right OO is crucial.
Also, Kerry Wynn shouldn't be entirely overlooked and Stansly Maponga has a chance to make the team. I'm not saying they are world beaters but you never know who is going to step up.
For one thing, "It's only health," is a bit misleading for a guy that missed significant time at UCLA following two hip surgeries to repaid fraying in the hip. Then he gets hurt in his first training camp. Not an ideal start to his pro career.
That's without even getting into the knocks of his game - which is to say, he has zero pass rush apart from a bull rush. He's pretty much Ogbah with health concerns.
I wouldn't have picked him. Think if you're going to take a shot on a guy with concerna, whether said concerns are on or off the field, he'd better have a damp high ceiling.
Just don't see that with OO. I know I'm in the minority here. Hope I'm wrong.
Signed Jenkins to big money, take the 3rd best CB instead of the 2nd best, who also happens to be a work in progress.
The Giants still have serious issues on defense.
Too many holes to fix in one offseason.
Every single year, the NFL has one or two teams dramatically turn around - to me, the Giants are poised to do exactly that.
Last year's offense was certainly capable, and will almost certainly be stronger with the new additions.
Defense is staffed to be much stronger than last year as well - love the focus on DB during the offseason.
It all comes down to health, and yes - O² is a key element moving forward. I expect big things from him this season.
Signed Jenkins to big money, take the 3rd best CB instead of the 2nd best, who also happens to be a work in progress.
The Giants still have serious issues on defense.
Too many holes to fix in one offseason.
Wasted money on JPP? It's a one year deal. I'm sure the Giants are anxious to see how he performs one year after the incident and subsequent surgeries. I know I am.
Sure they spent big money on Vernon. He was the best two-way DE on the market. Would you prefer that they'd re-signed Ayers? Not me.
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He won't. He will be hurt again. Cant be counting on someone who hasn't shown much of anything. Wasted money on JPP, spent big money on Vernon, let Ayers go to the Bucs.
Signed Jenkins to big money, take the 3rd best CB instead of the 2nd best, who also happens to be a work in progress.
The Giants still have serious issues on defense.
Too many holes to fix in one offseason.
Wasted money on JPP? It's a one year deal. I'm sure the Giants are anxious to see how he performs one year after the incident and subsequent surgeries. I know I am.
Sure they spent big money on Vernon. He was the best two-way DE on the market. Would you prefer that they'd re-signed Ayers? Not me.
Haha, Robert Ayers, the JAG that got away...
Signed Jenkins to big money, take the 3rd best CB instead of the 2nd best, who also happens to be a work in progress.
The Giants still have serious issues on defense.
Too many holes to fix in one offseason.
Sure, they signed Jenkins to big money...and said good-bye to Prince Amukamara. Jenkins has played in 60 out of a possible 64 games, as opposed to 55 out of a possible 80 for Amukamara. It's no wonder that Jenkins has more INTs and PDefs in four years than Amukamara had in five. So what, exactly, is your beef?
As for Apple vs. (I'll assume) Hargreaves, clearly the Giants took the kid who was taller, faster, and has a lot more of the proverbial "upside." Hargreaves may struggle less as a rookie, but the draft isn't just about this year, and Apple my turn out to be the better pro in the long run. That's what the Giants are banking on.
Yes, the Giants still have issues on defense, but the issues you're concerned with lack any serious foundation, in my opinion.
On one of the worst defenses in team history.
Young guy with upside still. Hoping for the best, but can't count on a major contribution.
On one of the worst defenses in team history.
Young guy with upside still. Hoping for the best, but can't count on a major contribution.
He was on IR with the return designation. He was out most of the year.
It used to be you had to produce on the field to get the money. Now they get the money and never play.
That said, the advent of Hank + Snacks may make a kid like this more effective, we shall see, as well, more healing time on a hip thing.
Ditto Wynn, he may have a ceiling or may have done some specialized training over the off season to surprise us...Bromley as well.
Hank/Snacks/JPP/Vernon present an opportunity for these on the bubble types that they ought to take advantage of.
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He won't. He will be hurt again. Cant be counting on someone who hasn't shown much of anything. Wasted money on JPP, spent big money on Vernon, let Ayers go to the Bucs.
Signed Jenkins to big money, take the 3rd best CB instead of the 2nd best, who also happens to be a work in progress.
The Giants still have serious issues on defense.
Too many holes to fix in one offseason.
Sure, they signed Jenkins to big money...and said good-bye to Prince Amukamara. Jenkins has played in 60 out of a possible 64 games, as opposed to 55 out of a possible 80 for Amukamara. It's no wonder that Jenkins has more INTs and PDefs in four years than Amukamara had in five. So what, exactly, is your beef?
As for Apple vs. (I'll assume) Hargreaves, clearly the Giants took the kid who was taller, faster, and has a lot more of the proverbial "upside." Hargreaves may struggle less as a rookie, but the draft isn't just about this year, and Apple my turn out to be the better pro in the long run. That's what the Giants are banking on.
Yes, the Giants still have issues on defense, but the issues you're concerned with lack any serious foundation, in my opinion.
HE is wrong about some things but for one the possibility of the subject of this thread that OO may not be a player we can rely in. If he is a bust -- which is possible-- then he is exactly right pertaining to this thread.
No one can know for certain about OO. We make "guesses."
If the guy is a bust, he was right, right?
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He won't. He will be hurt again. Cant be counting on someone who hasn't shown much of anything. Wasted money on JPP, spent big money on Vernon, let Ayers go to the Bucs.
Signed Jenkins to big money, take the 3rd best CB instead of the 2nd best, who also happens to be a work in progress.
The Giants still have serious issues on defense.
Too many holes to fix in one offseason.
Sure, they signed Jenkins to big money...and said good-bye to Prince Amukamara. Jenkins has played in 60 out of a possible 64 games, as opposed to 55 out of a possible 80 for Amukamara. It's no wonder that Jenkins has more INTs and PDefs in four years than Amukamara had in five. So what, exactly, is your beef?
As for Apple vs. (I'll assume) Hargreaves, clearly the Giants took the kid who was taller, faster, and has a lot more of the proverbial "upside." Hargreaves may struggle less as a rookie, but the draft isn't just about this year, and Apple my turn out to be the better pro in the long run. That's what the Giants are banking on.
Yes, the Giants still have issues on defense, but the issues you're concerned with lack any serious foundation, in my opinion.
HE is wrong about some things but for one the possibility of the subject of this thread that OO may not be a player we can rely in. If he is a bust -- which is possible-- then he is exactly right pertaining to this thread.
No one can know for certain about OO. We make "guesses."
If the guy is a bust, he was right, right?
Sorry, but he is wrong about everything, except for the possibility that Odighizuwa may be too injury-prone to be counted on. Wow. What a bold prediction that is. It's not like we haven't seen it before with talented kids like Gerris Wilkerson and Cooper Taylor, and maybe even Devon Kennard.
But I don't like applying the "bust" label to guys that don't produce due to injuries, especially not those drafted after the first couple of rounds. To me, a "bust" is a guy who doesn't produce even though he was drafted early and had more than his share of opportunities to show that he could play. A "bust" is a guy who fails on the field, not because he couldn't get there in the first place.
Finally, his entire tone suggests a "fan" who would rather be right in his negativity, who would rather say "I told you so" instead of rooting for the laundry. I find that objectionable. Maybe you don't, but it's a free country.
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You guys crack me up. A high 3rd round pick that many say should have been picked higher in the draft is expected to be a STARTER and produce in the NFL. There is nothing wild about him.
you obviously don't pay attention to the success rate of 3rd round picks league wide.
From 2013: Ravis Kelce, Tyrann Mathiew, Markus Wheaton, Keenan Allen, Jordan Reed, etc
Have all made HUGE impacts in the NFL.
You obviously don't pay attention to the success rate of 3rd round picks and the impact they can have. Get a clue!