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Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise: The Giants’ top target was Georgia linebacker Leonard Floyd, and the only real debate before the draft started was between him and Michigan State offensive lineman Jack Conklin. Everything else was a contingency plan, even if they did map those out. There was strong support for Conklin, especially from some of the coaches, but there was no directive that an O-lineman had to be the pick. It was Floyd first, Conklin second, and before the draft the Giants seemed confident at least one would be there.
And when they weren’t there? I asked a team source for a reaction to the Titans and Bears both trading over the Giants for those top two targets (the Titans took Conklin at 8, the Bears took Floyd at 9). The response … well let’s just say it really isn’t suitable for a family newspaper. But suffice to say they weren’t happy. “P----ed off” is how a league source described them. They didn’t panic. Like Reese said, they had played out this scenario. Besides, I think they knew the Bears and Titans were a threat to trade up for those two. I mean, everyone knew that. But I was told that if both guys were gone they thought they’d be OK because that would mean someone else from the Top 9 would fall into their laps. Unfortunately …
- If only the Top 9 player that fell to the Giants wasn’t the gas mask-wearing, bong-smoking Laremy Tunsil, everyone’s No. 1-rated offensive lineman (pre-drug video). My understanding is that he was the top OL on the Giants’ board too, and from what I can tell he was not off their board until the bong video came out. When it did, he became untouchable for them (at least in the first round). I don’t know if ownership got involved in that call, but everyone I talked to seemed to understand ownership never would’ve allowed that pick under those circumstances.
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In Round 2, the discussion centered around the man they took, Oklahoma WR Sterling Shepard, and Alabama LB Reggie Ragland, who went one pick later to the Bills, according to a team source. The Giants had a very high grade on Shepard, though, and there were linebackers they liked that they thought they could get in later rounds (including Clemson’s B.J. Goodson, whom they took in the fourth).
Pretty pathetic Front Office/Ownership we have. I'm guessing it's one of the owners yapping to everyone and their brother.
In time this may be a blessing, especially with Floyd. He was easily the most controversial player with ties to the top 10/15 in regards to how he would fit in an adapt to the NFL.
Pretty pathetic Front Office/Ownership we have. I'm guessing it's one of the owners yapping to everyone and their brother.
I don't understand this line of thinking. Did the Titans and Bears not know who Floyd and Conklin were prior to our supposed leaks? Were either player not on the top of each teams draft board and instead they chose to take a lesser rated player just to stick it to the Giants?
This leak theory makes no sense. We value OT/CB/Pass Rushers and will continue to do so moving forward. So we will have this same song and dance next year.
Colin's explanation is a lot less lascivious but more cogent.
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Pretty pathetic Front Office/Ownership we have. I'm guessing it's one of the owners yapping to everyone and their brother.
You're a dope. Do you actually pay attention? Funny how we knew the Cowboys loved Elliot, the Eagles wanted Wentz, Gof was going #1.
Stop saying stupid things.
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top two targets weeks before the draft. Everyone knew their top 2 targets which is why some of the mock drafts showed the titans jumping to #8 to grab Conklin.
Pretty pathetic Front Office/Ownership we have. I'm guessing it's one of the owners yapping to everyone and their brother.
You're a dope. Do you actually pay attention? Funny how we knew the Cowboys loved Elliot, the Eagles wanted Wentz, Gof was going #1.
Stop saying stupid things.
It's getting old
The reality is Conklin and Floyd were picked right where they should have been because they are good players.
So if you think Reese blew it - then you would trade BJ Goodson and Eli Apple for Conklin or Floyd?
That was my first thought. Colin said the Giants really weren't interested in Conklin, and Ralph said they were. Go figure.
Personally - just knowing the Giants MO, corner over RT if rankings are similar seems like a no-brainer, they'd take the corner every time.
A. Spell my name right.
B. Your obsession with me is a little creepy. It's clear that I've gotten under your skin. That happens when you're wrong and hate to admit it. Move on.
I and everybody else must have missed the press conference where that happened.
Taking Apple fills a position of need and makes it obvious he was higher on the Giants board than Hargreaves. Apple has a tremendous upside and is DRC's replacement in a year or two. Good solid pick at a position of need.
That's literally how the scenario would have to play out for it to hold any water.
Compare the level of risk. One is a top 10 pick and one is an undrafted FA who the team isn't tied to for 4+ years.
What "rapist" are you referring to?
One requires an investment of millions of dollars, and one is completely disposable?
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is that the Giants will sign an apparently rapist, Lewis, but won't draft a pot smoker.
What "rapist" are you referring to?
Lewis, the UDFA, discussed at the end of the article.
Ozzie Newsome went on record saying that they had Tunsil ranked lower (their main targets were Ramsey and Stanley) before the video came out.
There was quite a bit of baggage there - public statements about taking payments, firing financial advisors, his stepfather suing - not to mention quite a few injuries. Could be he wasn't ranked as highly by GMs as by draftniks.
That's literally how the scenario would have to play out for it to hold any water.
Not really.
its not that the other teams didn't know about the players, its that they knew the giants targeted them and they need to jump ahead of us to get them.
If it wasn't so obvious, the bears might have stayed put at 11 and the Giants would have Floyd.
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Amtoft and johnnyc know more about football and what really happened more than the Giants
A. Spell my name right.
B. Your obsession with me is a little creepy. It's clear that I've gotten under your skin. That happens when you're wrong and hate to admit it. Move on.
You're the man!!!! Nobody knows more than you on draft day, after the pick of course. We're all idiots but you
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is that the Giants will sign an apparently rapist, Lewis, but won't draft a pot smoker.
What "rapist" are you referring to?
Lewis, the UDFA, discussed at the end of the article.
Got it. Big difference, don't you think? Word was that there were other issues with Tusil as well.
The reality is Conklin and Floyd were picked right where they should have been because they are good players.
So if you think Reese blew it - then you would trade BJ Goodson and Eli Apple for Conklin or Floyd?
Lol so true. It's because people are delusional enough to think that they are as much in the know as Front Offices in the NFL just because "insider information" on Twitter. There are more ways for people to get a sense of whom a team likes than an Ian Rappaport tweet. Also, if the Giants WERE interested in Conklin & Floyd, why would it be difficult for us to accept that other teams would have the same interest, therefore trading up to secure their guy. Why is it difficult for people to believe that Reese and company knew this was a possibility and opted to stay put because Apple was of similar value to the two? The Giants always put players in tiers; don't you think that if Eli Apple was truly below value to the Giants, they wouldn't have traded down (a la the Kiwi year) for their next tier of players? It's the relentless arrogance of posters who feel like they have a true sense of what happens based on asshat intel and insider tweets alone.
Don't think that's the concern at all. The concern is that the player will do something stupid and take himself off the field.
I just think they didnt expect both.
IIRC, JR said there were discussions about trade, likely OUT of 10, but the offers werent enough. I have the feeling one was Tenn. looking to swap, get 10, take Conklin, for the 15 and a 3rd, JR likely wanted a 2nd or even both, so they stayed and took the CB.
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Amtoft and johnnyc know more about football and what really happened more than the Giants
A. Spell my name right.
B. Your obsession with me is a little creepy. It's clear that I've gotten under your skin. That happens when you're wrong and hate to admit it. Move on.
You're the man!!!! Nobody knows more than you on draft day, after the pick of course. We're all idiots but you
The only person coming off like an idiot here is you. Move on, kid.
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that Reese is amazing. So amazing that he finds all these players no one has ever heard of in the 1st round and has such high grades on them that once hearing about said leaks these other inferior GM's have absolutely no choice but to take the player Reese wants/thinks is best.
That's literally how the scenario would have to play out for it to hold any water.
Not really.
its not that the other teams didn't know about the players, its that they knew the giants targeted them and they need to jump ahead of us to get them.
If it wasn't so obvious, the bears might have stayed put at 11 and the Giants would have Floyd.
When aren't we interested in an Edge Rusher, CB, or OT? That's my point.
Ehh, SD knew the 2 picks going ahead of them and got to pick whoever they wanted after that. They got to do whatever they wanted and really lucked out being able to get their #1 ranked player without breaking a sweat.
So let me get this straight: You think the Giants told reporters who they wanted? Is that really what your're going with?
Well, first things first. He's not a convicted rapist. He was acquitted of one charge, and a mistrial was declared on the second.
Let's not portray this as if they're hiring Rae Carruth. And, yes it does matter that he's an undrafted free agent. He makes no money, has no guarantee, and they can cut him if they don't like the color of his shirt. They're giving him a thin chance.
Yes.
Pretty pathetic Front Office/Ownership we have. I'm guessing it's one of the owners yapping to everyone and their brother.
Yeah well, everyone wants Asshat info. Isn't great they got it and lost 2 players we wanted. I honestly do not believe they wanted an OL. That said we picked Apple now move on I like the kid. Let us see what happens.
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Does it right. I didn't like their player in Bosa, but they shut their mouth and no one knows what they are going to do. If we keep our mouth shut I don't think two teams trade in front of us. I'm glad as I didn't want Floyd but it's not good business to keep letting the reporters know who you are going to pick.
So let me get this straight: You think the Giants told reporters who they wanted? Is that really what your're going with?
Eric knew we were taking David Wilson. Someone from the org had to tell him.
Even though, I suspect our top target was J. Ramsey.