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Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise: The Giants’ top target was Georgia linebacker Leonard Floyd, and the only real debate before the draft started was between him and Michigan State offensive lineman Jack Conklin. Everything else was a contingency plan, even if they did map those out. There was strong support for Conklin, especially from some of the coaches, but there was no directive that an O-lineman had to be the pick. It was Floyd first, Conklin second, and before the draft the Giants seemed confident at least one would be there.
And when they weren’t there? I asked a team source for a reaction to the Titans and Bears both trading over the Giants for those top two targets (the Titans took Conklin at 8, the Bears took Floyd at 9). The response … well let’s just say it really isn’t suitable for a family newspaper. But suffice to say they weren’t happy. “P----ed off” is how a league source described them. They didn’t panic. Like Reese said, they had played out this scenario. Besides, I think they knew the Bears and Titans were a threat to trade up for those two. I mean, everyone knew that. But I was told that if both guys were gone they thought they’d be OK because that would mean someone else from the Top 9 would fall into their laps. Unfortunately …
- If only the Top 9 player that fell to the Giants wasn’t the gas mask-wearing, bong-smoking Laremy Tunsil, everyone’s No. 1-rated offensive lineman (pre-drug video). My understanding is that he was the top OL on the Giants’ board too, and from what I can tell he was not off their board until the bong video came out. When it did, he became untouchable for them (at least in the first round). I don’t know if ownership got involved in that call, but everyone I talked to seemed to understand ownership never would’ve allowed that pick under those circumstances.
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Floyd and Conklin were legit top 15 picks at worst. The whole fucking planet knew this.
What do you think happened? The rest of the league found out the Giants liked these two, and move them up their boards?
Again, this shit isn't tough to figure out. There's no conspiracy here.
9 players were going to get drafted before the Giants pick.
It's shocking that this needs to be explained.
His name was Janzen Jackson.
His name was Janzen Jackson.
Thanks for throwing some more stupid on the pile.
Even though, I suspect our top target was J. Ramsey.
Didn't Reese say he wanted Heyward Bey over Nicks too?
Amen brother. I prefer Apple. I thought in the scenario that unfolded Hargreaves should be the pick. They had a higher grade on Apple and that's good enough for me. They are the pros.
It is disturbing and disappointing how every year the Giants targeted players are apparently well known to all allowing teams to trump us by moving around the board.
Amen brother. I prefer Apple. I thought in the scenario that unfolded Hargreaves should be the pick. They had a higher grade on Apple and that's good enough for me. They are the pros.
It is disturbing and disappointing how every year the Giants targeted players are apparently well known to all allowing teams to trump us by moving around the board.
Like Odell Beckham?
His name was Janzen Jackson.
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A lot of debate about the guy. Great athlete but those highlights did not exactly proclaim him a 4-3 OLB. Not sure what he is but would guess a 3-4 OLB is a better fit. Should be interesting what he turns out to be.
So fucking what? What is this, minority report? You can't predict the future.
Yeah,who could predict that some of these guys the Giants are bringing in would stay the same.Will Hill is another.They are always signing players with baggage as undrafted free agents.
Vacchiano cites sources in the draft room.
I don't understand how there's a choice of who to believe.
I find it hard to believe, even with today's technology, that a leak occurred. The circle must have been tight. If someone was paid for inside info I think they would have weeded him/her out by now and terminated them
It's possible but highly unlikely.
ALL LEAKS MUST BE SEALED!
if they kept their mouth shut about Floyd they'd have him right now. It's that simple.
Conklin obviously impressed Solari but we weren't getting him.
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top two targets weeks before the draft. Everyone knew their top 2 targets which is why some of the mock drafts showed the titans jumping to #8 to grab Conklin.
Pretty pathetic Front Office/Ownership we have. I'm guessing it's one of the owners yapping to everyone and their brother.
You're a dope. Do you actually pay attention? Funny how we knew the Cowboys loved Elliot, the Eagles wanted Wentz, Gof was going #1.
Stop saying stupid things.
We knew the Rams were taking Goff, No one could do anything about it.
We knew the Eagles were taking Wentz, no one could do anything about it.
We knew the Cowboys were in love with the RB. Cowboys leak their board as well. But, no one was trading to #3 to grab the RB, and if they did, they had the pick they should have taken.
So what's your fucking point dr Douche-bag? This was not the same situation the Giants were in at #10. Lots of movement can happen with teams jumping in front, especially when Cleveland made it clear they wanted to trade back.
Of course teams may speculate what other teams may be drafting and they may make moves because of that, but the Giants make it way too easy for teams to plan what they want to do on draft day.
People who think these leaks don't matter just don't get it and it was on full display on Thursday night.
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...for jumping up to grab Floyd.'
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A lot of debate about the guy. Great athlete but those highlights did not exactly proclaim him a 4-3 OLB. Not sure what he is but would guess a 3-4 OLB is a better fit. Should be interesting what he turns out to be.
Agree, just doesn't seem to fit into the D and way too many questions about him. We'll see, maybe he'll turn out to great.
When they have to have a guy, they trade to get him.
When they're comfortable with a handful of guys, they pick the one that falls to them.
Fans love to believe the story that most fits their emotion with the team at the time.
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top two targets weeks before the draft.
I and everybody else must have missed the press conference where that happened.
I think it was just you.
How I remember it:
Maclin
Heyward Bey
Nicks
Britt (perhaps off the board or down a round)
Harvin was supposed to go off first and I don't remember if Reese had interest or no desire to move up for him.
Al Davis does what he does, Harvin slides, Eagles trade up (Reese does not) and everyone in here debates the Britt/Nicks thing for a while.
Members of BBI can speculate, what the teams ahead of the Giants are looking for, and might draft....and have a pretty good idea, of what might be available, when it's the Giants turn.....
This is not rocket science.....it's pretty straight forward...
Does anyone truly believe, that Eli
Apple was the #1 player on the Giant board? Or #2 for that matter? He was the product of what can go wrong when certain players are picked that you don't project to be picked, and also of what can happen when teams, with similar needs, are willing to trade up and get a guy that they think will start for them, even if it means sacrificing a pick....
If we got Conklin, think he would be a starter?
If we got Floyd, think he would be a starter?
In both cases, I think it's safe to say yes.....these were needs for the Titans and Bears, and they will start for each team....and they were willing to trade up to get them....
After Conklin was lost, think Reese knew the Bears might trade up? He wouldn't be a good GM, if he didn't....
So now, Reese has to weight the current situation....who is #1 left on our board, Floyd or Apple.....if it was Floyd, and he really wanted him, he could have done the same thing the Bears did.....if Apple was #1, it becomes moot.....
But the Bears got their starter, and the Giants didn't, at least not right away.....
Reese made the decision to keep his draft picks, and not move up.....maybe he only rated Floyd slightly over Apple.....
Fact is two teams traded up to get their guy.....
And while I feel, this was a good draft, we will be lucky to get major contributions from our first two picks.....Apple, if asked to start due to an injury, has a ways to go....he is not going to get away with the hand contact he was used to doing in College....but if he gets significant playing time during the season, he can become, more of a factor down the stretch......more than Apple, Shepard has to make an even bigger leap....he was the fifth WR chosen, from a field of WR's that wasn't that strong.....it's almost imperative, that he replaces Randle, especially if Cruz has problems....
The rest, we have to hope, are major upgrades to what we had on the field last season, either as starters or backups and being the first off the bench......and once again only time will tell....
But to suggest that an NFL team, can not figure out, what teams ahead of them will do/pick, borders on stupidity....
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top two targets weeks before the draft. Everyone knew their top 2 targets which is why some of the mock drafts showed the titans jumping to #8 to grab Conklin.
Pretty pathetic Front Office/Ownership we have. I'm guessing it's one of the owners yapping to everyone and their brother.
I don't understand this line of thinking. Did the Titans and Bears not know who Floyd and Conklin were prior to our supposed leaks? Were either player not on the top of each teams draft board and instead they chose to take a lesser rated player just to stick it to the Giants?
This leak theory makes no sense. We value OT/CB/Pass Rushers and will continue to do so moving forward. So we will have this same song and dance next year.
The theory makes plenty of sense. They knew he wouldn't make it past the Giants and so they knew they had to trade up to get him. Simples.
Any word on Davis?
Elaborate. You think leaks are good?
You don't think this happens in every NFL city? Everyone knew the Cowboys loves Ellliot, everyone knew Philliy loves Wentz.
Do you honestly think it's just the Giants? Come on dude.
Conklin and Floyd were widely considered top prospects. The Giants planned for the possibility that they would both be gone. Tunsil was a curve ball, who they weren't going to draft, and they obviously liked Apple over Hargreaves.
You can't be this dense. Do you need me to eat your lunch for you?
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are fans really this stupid?
Elaborate. You think leaks are good?
What leaks?? It isn't that fucking hard to pair a need with a top player.
RT and OLB/Pasrusher we're needs...do you really think other teams needed a fucking "leak" there radar?
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are fans really this stupid?
Elaborate. You think leaks are good?
Its the notion that people knowing who we like should be some big secret we everyone knows who everyone likes. Its stupid and its a weak attempt for people that don't like Reese to formulate an argument out of thin air.
You don't like Reese, fine, people are entitled to that. But saying we have moles and rats responsible for losing the players we want is hilarious.
Another team wanted a player and gave up picks to get him. Good for them, and good for us for going with a different player who hopefully had a great career while also keeping a valuable 3rd rounder.
You don't think this happens in every NFL city? Everyone knew the Cow boys loves Ellliot, everyone knew Philliy loves Wentz.Do you honestly think it's just the Giants? Come on dude. You can't be this dense. Do you need me to eat your lunch for you?
yes, other teams manage to keep their top choices a little bit closer to the vest than the Giants. And other teams have a track record of trading down, which makes it harder to predict what they're going to do on draft day.
Are you really this unaware of these basic facts?
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You don't think this happens in every NFL city? Everyone knew the Cow boys loves Ellliot, everyone knew Philliy loves Wentz.Do you honestly think it's just the Giants? Come on dude. You can't be this dense. Do you need me to eat your lunch for you?
yes, other teams manage to keep their top choices a little bit closer to the vest than the Giants. And other teams have a track record of trading down, which makes it harder to predict what they're going to do on draft day.
Are you really this unaware of these basic facts?
You're reading straight from the BBI moron handbook aren't you?
there is nothing in his article that you haven't heard before- and its still 100 posts.
amazing
then you really are unaware of what goes on around the league with other teams. Which I guess is what happens when you read straight from the blind homer handbook.
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You're reading straight from the BBI moron handbook aren't you?
then you really are unaware of what goes on around the league with other teams. Which I guess is what happens when you read straight from the blind homer handbook.
Who's being a homer? I simply calling you out on your utterly idiotic conspiracy theory.
Do you actually think no other team knew about Floyd and/or Conklin? Do you actually think NFL teams are unable to put 2 + 2 together? Serious question.
You think Jerry Reese was standing alone at Floyd's pro day? Do you actually think someone "tipped off" the Bears that the Giants may be interested in a top pass-rusher or OL?
This isn't the charade your making it out to be. There was always a chance Floyd and/or Conklin could be gone before the pick.
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You're reading straight from the BBI moron handbook aren't you?
then you really are unaware of what goes on around the league with other teams. Which I guess is what happens when you read straight from the blind homer handbook.
What the basis of the argument then? Does every trade up mean the team that got leapfrogged had leaks? What are the rules to said leak and how will i know when one happens? Why isn't it just X team wanted Y player bad enough and give up additional picks to get him?
I'm genuinely curious.
You should be embarrassed.
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You're reading straight from the BBI moron handbook aren't you?
then you really are unaware of what goes on around the league with other teams. Which I guess is what happens when you read straight from the blind homer handbook.
What the basis of the argument then? Does every trade up mean the team that got leapfrogged had leaks? What are the rules to said leak and how will i know when one happens? Why isn't it just X team wanted Y player bad enough and give up additional picks to get him?
I'm genuinely curious.
I never said the word "leak". What I'm saying is that this front office has been very predictable over the years (more so than others). The facts bear this out. And it's not impossible that other teams have acted on that.
yes you "called me out" but you've offered nothing that contradicts a single thing I've said other than name calling. Are you 12?
never said anything like this.
with the Giants, it sure seems like an easier equation to figure out than with other teams.
do think this front office is more or less predictable than other front offices?
nobody is arguing otherwise. You can either address what I'm saying or continue to talk in circles arguing against yourself like an idiot. Which is it?
there is nothing in his article that you haven't heard before- and its still 100 posts.
amazing
You can only stop so much stupidity.