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WR Davante Adams on the Roster Bubble in GB

pjcas18 : 5/4/2016 3:16 pm
With Jordy Nelson apparently healthy and Randall Cobb a lock, it appears Adams job might be in jeopardy.

Down the stretch in GB Rodgers developed a good rapport with Abbrederis. And they love Ty Montgomery and Jeff Janis.

which could leave Davante Adams as the odd man out.

He has been a disappointment, but I'd look at acquiring him via trade for a late round draft pick before he gets cut loose (or the Pats trade for him).

6'1 212 lbs, 4.56 40. would be a nice complement to the Giants wr corps IMO, if they can straighten him out.

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Yeah for a 7th  
Jay on the Island : 5/4/2016 3:17 pm : link
I would be interested. He has talent maybe a change of scenery will do him good.
If he's going to get cut...  
Chris in Philly : 5/4/2016 3:18 pm : link
I would not be interested in giving up a draft pick...
Bricks for hands  
endwerc : 5/4/2016 3:19 pm : link
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RE: If he's going to get cut...  
pjcas18 : 5/4/2016 3:21 pm : link
In comment 12945195 Chris in Philly said:
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I would not be interested in giving up a draft pick...


Normally I agree, but I think if he is cut there will be a lot of demand for him.

So if you can get him for a 6th/7th I'd consider it. Or perhaps even a player. Like maybe trade Darkwa or a RB, GB has Lacy and Starks and could use a guy like Darkwa.
Poor hands and brain  
JonC : 5/4/2016 3:22 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 5/4/2016 3:22 pm : link
This is a player I'd absolutely take a flier on.
Liked  
Phil in LA : 5/4/2016 3:22 pm : link
him a bit at Fresno, but only interested if Victor can't go.
Not worth giving up a draft pick for  
Torrag : 5/4/2016 3:23 pm : link
Potential is well and good but he keeps getting passed by on a roster running a pass happy scheme that was starved for receivers last season.
If he failed in Green Bay's system  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/4/2016 3:24 pm : link
what makes you think he'll do better here?
No way  
leatherneck570 : 5/4/2016 3:25 pm : link
Disappointed last year when they needed him to step up. Pass.
RE: If he failed in Green Bay's system  
pjcas18 : 5/4/2016 3:29 pm : link
In comment 12945205 gidiefor said:
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what makes you think he'll do better here?

I'm not sure he will be which is why I wouldn't give up a ton for him.

He's had some good games.

2015
7 catches for 93 yds vs CAR
10 catches for 79 yds vs DET (79 yards on 10 catches?)

and quite a few good games as a rookie.

I don't know he'd be successful here which is why I wouldn't give up a lot for him.

But he's young, and some people still buy into the 3rd year WR light bulb and if the systems are similar, this would be his 3rd year.

Worth a gamble I think.
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arcarsenal : 5/4/2016 3:31 pm : link
Cobb didn't light it up either last year. He had a down year without Jordy. Their run game wasn't good either. Fat Eddie was nowhere near as good as he had been prior and their pass blocking sucked. Rodgers was constantly running for his life.

Adams has legit talent. If he was cut loose he's a guy I'd definitely take a gamble on. He was banged up last year.. the guy is 23 years old.
cobb was AWFUL  
dep026 : 5/4/2016 3:51 pm : link
last year.
Actually,  
Gman11 : 5/4/2016 4:18 pm : link
he would be a nice complement to Preston Parker. They can have bookend wide receivers that drop more passes than they catch.
I've been a big fan of Davante Adams since the draft  
LI NHB : 5/4/2016 4:37 pm : link
and actually did a player profile him when he was coming out of Fresno State. It would really surprise me if this were to be true, but if it is, he has the long athleticism that the Giants like.

Would love for something to shake loose here, but I think it's far-fetched to think this would be the case.
When Nelson went down, I expected Adams to take advantage.  
Mr. Bungle : 5/4/2016 5:04 pm : link
He didn't. Meanwhile, James Jones on his last legs did make something with his opportunity.

That's a flag for me, regarding Adams.
RE: When Nelson went down, I expected Adams to take advantage.  
pjcas18 : 5/4/2016 5:05 pm : link
In comment 12945356 Mr. Bungle said:
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He didn't. Meanwhile, James Jones on his last legs did make something with his opportunity.

That's a flag for me, regarding Adams.


Is it a flag for you GB has said already they're not bringing back Jones, yet as of today Adams is still in their plans?
RE: RE: If he's going to get cut...  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/4/2016 5:29 pm : link
In comment 12945199 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 12945195 Chris in Philly said:


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I would not be interested in giving up a draft pick...



Normally I agree, but I think if he is cut there will be a lot of demand for him.

So if you can get him for a 6th/7th I'd consider it. Or perhaps even a player. Like maybe trade Darkwa or a RB, GB has Lacy and Starks and could use a guy like Darkwa.

IMO, we need to stop trading late round picks for guys that are going to get cut.
RE: RE: RE: If he's going to get cut...  
pjcas18 : 5/4/2016 5:55 pm : link
In comment 12945404 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 12945199 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 12945195 Chris in Philly said:


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I would not be interested in giving up a draft pick...



Normally I agree, but I think if he is cut there will be a lot of demand for him.

So if you can get him for a 6th/7th I'd consider it. Or perhaps even a player. Like maybe trade Darkwa or a RB, GB has Lacy and Starks and could use a guy like Darkwa.


IMO, we need to stop trading late round picks for guys that are going to get cut.


Why? If you trade for him there are two more years of him on his rookie deal. If he's cut you need to fight for him with 31 other teams.

Plus, as a former 2nd round pick with a ton of potential he's almost certainly, flaws and all, to have more on-field success than any late round pick.

Even make it a conditional pick. The odds of a 6th or 7th round pick becoming an NFL starter are very low.

This isn't trading a 7th round pick for Beason who is an injury waiting to happen or even a 7th for Brad Wing, a 2nd punter on the Steelers, Adams, who as pointed out above isn't a slam dunk to be cut, is different.
If he can't make it work with Aaron Rodgers,  
barens : 5/4/2016 6:05 pm : link
I don't think coming here is going to be the best option...but why would they even cut him again?
And the bad hands arguments  
pjcas18 : 5/4/2016 6:07 pm : link
are silly. He caught 235 passes in two college seasons. I don't think you lose your hands from college to pros.

His lack of on-field success or consistency in the NFL is a concern which is why the article about him fighting for his job was even written.

so to repeat I'd strongly consider him, if the cost wasn't exorbitant (a conditional 6th or 7th, that could change based on games active or % of offensive snaps played or something like that). Or I even like my idea of Orleans Darkwa. GB is not deep at RB.

Just hate being in that situation where it's Beckham and a bunch of wild cards. Cruz we know about, Shepard sounds promising, but he's a rookie. and then there's almost nothing solid after them.

The game that stick in my head is Patriots Packers in 2014 Adams rookie year when NE had Revis, Butler, McCourty, etc in their secondary and Belichick said the plan against GB was similar to the Giants in SB XLVI, stop Cobb and Nelson, make Adams (and others beat them) and they did.

6 catches for 121 yards.
Abbrederis  
Jon in NYC : 5/4/2016 6:08 pm : link
is a future star.
RE: If he can't make it work with Aaron Rodgers,  
pjcas18 : 5/4/2016 6:12 pm : link
In comment 12945459 barens said:
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I don't think coming here is going to be the best option...but why would they even cut him again?


read the link. they might not. but it would be a #'s thing.

They have:

Cobb (lock)
Nelson (lock)
Adams (2nd round pick in 2014)
Abbrederis (5th round pick in 2014)
Ty Montgomery (3rd round pick last year)
Jeff Janis (7th round pick in 2014)

they drafted Trevor Davis (5th round)

and a couple other fringe guys.

I don't think Adams contributes on special teams (not sure), but if he doesn't they might just like the other guys more.

Think of Davante Adams as their Ruben Randle without the injury and behavior issues (as far as I know).
He wouldn't want to be here..  
OBJ31 : 5/4/2016 6:37 pm : link
We have OBJ, Shepard, and Cruz who "appears" healthy. He would be the 4th WR here, it'll be James Jones all over again. even Dwayne Harris might be ahead of him since Eli likes him.
RE: He wouldn't want to be here..  
arcarsenal : 5/4/2016 6:43 pm : link
In comment 12945521 OBJ31 said:
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We have OBJ, Shepard, and Cruz who "appears" healthy. He would be the 4th WR here, it'll be James Jones all over again. even Dwayne Harris might be ahead of him since Eli likes him.


I highly doubt anyone is signing Adams to be their WR1 or WR2.. he's going to have to earn a job somewhere, he's not in a position to "not want" to play somewhere.
RE: RE: When Nelson went down, I expected Adams to take advantage.  
Mr. Bungle : 5/4/2016 6:58 pm : link
In comment 12945359 pjcas18 said:
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He didn't. Meanwhile, James Jones on his last legs did make something with his opportunity.

That's a flag for me, regarding Adams.



Is it a flag for you GB has said already they're not bringing back Jones, yet as of today Adams is still in their plans?

That doesn't really counter my point. Jones was on a 1-year deal and is old. Adams is still under terms of his first contract. My point was that Jones pretty indisputably made more of his opportunity last year than Adams did.

You seem oddly emotionally invested in this somewhat random non-Giant. I've made my point, and I'll move on.
He sucks  
KWALL2 : 5/4/2016 7:21 pm : link
They had no options in GB last year. Tried to get him the ball. He couldn't do the job. Giants should have no interest in Adams.
pjacs  
KWALL2 : 5/4/2016 7:25 pm : link
The DET game wasn't a good one. He was awful.

It was the worst 10 catch game in the history of football. Rodgers threw 21 passes to the guy that day. He killed the Packers in this game.

No  
JohnVB : 5/4/2016 8:24 pm : link
The guy did nothing with a ton of targets last year. James Jones was a better option last year than him.
RE: Abbrederis  
Jerry's Kids : 5/4/2016 8:26 pm : link
In comment 12945466 Jon in NYC said:
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is a future star.


What about Janis?
Ty Montgomery flashed a bit as well.  
arcarsenal : 5/4/2016 8:29 pm : link
But on the whole, it was just a down year for the GB offense in general. It wasn't just Adams. They looked like they were spinning their wheels in mud all year. Very rarely did they look like the offense we've been accustomed to seeing there over the last handful of years. The line was really bad.
The problem in GB  
KWALL2 : 5/4/2016 8:52 pm : link
Was Adams and Jones. Both sucked ass. Jones will be out of the league. Possibly Adams too. That was the main problem. The WRs they had ran like they were in mud on every play.
Wow,  
chopperhatch : 5/4/2016 8:58 pm : link
I thought Adams would be a good one.
Adams  
stretch234 : 5/4/2016 9:02 pm : link
People here bitch about Randle. Adams drafted higher by do no wrong GM Thompson and has Rodgers and still is awful
RE: pjacs  
pjcas18 : 5/4/2016 9:04 pm : link
In comment 12945574 KWALL2 said:
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The DET game wasn't a good one. He was awful.

It was the worst 10 catch game in the history of football. Rodgers threw 21 passes to the guy that day. He killed the Packers in this game.


Yeah, I put in the ? because so many catches and so few yards and I saw the targets.

I know dropped passes is not an official stat, but he (Adams) was only credited with 6 drops all year, so a lot of that game, and others, was probably Rodgers lack of any time. His (Rodgers) accuracy took a hit last year too (lowest of his career).

I'd like to see Sy's write up on him from 2014, seemed like he's been spot on lately.

This is likely  
MookGiants : 5/4/2016 9:11 pm : link
a well timed report to light a fire under Adams ass. I would be stunned if he got cut
Rodgers  
KWALL2 : 5/4/2016 9:26 pm : link
Didn't forget how to throw. It wasn't an accuracy issue. Jones couldn't get open on anybody. Adams wasn't much better. Rodgers had nothing to work with at WR.

It wouldn't really surprise me if Adams is cut late and nobody picks him up.
RE: Rodgers  
robbieballs2003 : 5/4/2016 9:36 pm : link
In comment 12945683 KWALL2 said:
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Didn't forget how to throw. It wasn't an accuracy issue. Jones couldn't get open on anybody. Adams wasn't much better. Rodgers had nothing to work with at WR.

It wouldn't really surprise me if Adams is cut late and nobody picks him up.


While I wouldn't be shocked if he was released I would be shocked if nobody picked him up. He would be scooped up very quickly in a passing league. GMs and coaches always think they can get the most out of a player. He will have plenty of opportunities. I get what you are saying about him not producing in a WR friendly system. Still, he hasn't even been in the league 3 years yet. I can see plenty of teams giving him an opportunity such as, but not limited to, NE, PIT, TEN, CIN, KC (Reid loves to take on guys like this), SD, STL, TB, CAR, DAL, and PHI.
RE: Rodgers  
pjcas18 : 5/4/2016 9:37 pm : link
In comment 12945683 KWALL2 said:
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Didn't forget how to throw. It wasn't an accuracy issue. Jones couldn't get open on anybody. Adams wasn't much better. Rodgers had nothing to work with at WR.

It wouldn't really surprise me if Adams is cut late and nobody picks him up.


Cobb too. He had a bad year. Like Arc said, that whole offense was out of synch much of last year. I don't know what the issue was, OL, Lacy/running game, TE's who they rely on, not stepping up. No idea.
RE: RE: Rodgers  
robbieballs2003 : 5/4/2016 9:39 pm : link
In comment 12945699 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 12945683 KWALL2 said:


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Didn't forget how to throw. It wasn't an accuracy issue. Jones couldn't get open on anybody. Adams wasn't much better. Rodgers had nothing to work with at WR.

It wouldn't really surprise me if Adams is cut late and nobody picks him up.



Cobb too. He had a bad year. Like Arc said, that whole offense was out of synch much of last year. I don't know what the issue was, OL, Lacy/running game, TE's who they rely on, not stepping up. No idea.


I am definitely sure it was a combination of things but one thing was for sure and that was the WRs could not get separation. I remember seeing multiple times last year when someone like Chris Collinsworth would go through the replays and show how every WR was blanketed. It wasn't pretty.
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arcarsenal : 5/4/2016 9:40 pm : link
Cobb definitely struggled too, though. I think they desperately missed Nelson and the vertical threat he brings to that offense. The pass pro really wasn't good either.
Wow was he bad last year  
schabadoo : 5/4/2016 10:09 pm : link
As disappointing as the NE receiver that came back and did nothing.
RE: Adams  
Jesse B : 5/5/2016 8:45 am : link
In comment 12945661 stretch234 said:
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People here bitch about Randle. Adams drafted higher by do no wrong GM Thompson and has Rodgers and still is awful



Bingo. Everyone hated Randle, but he was more productive than Adams was
RE: RE: Adams  
robbieballs2003 : 5/5/2016 10:27 am : link
In comment 12945958 Jesse B said:
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In comment 12945661 stretch234 said:


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People here bitch about Randle. Adams drafted higher by do no wrong GM Thompson and has Rodgers and still is awful




Bingo. Everyone hated Randle, but he was more productive than Adams was


Randle is entering his fifth year. Adams is entering his 3rd year. GB has drafted numerous receivers. Randle was out there by default. It is way too early to start comparing these two WRs. Plus, GB's team is mostly homegrown. They very rarely participate in paying a lot of money in FA. Also, there is not one person every that has hit on every draft pick. Not one. So, throwing out one player and saying that their GM can do no wrong is just ridiculous. And, who said their GM can do no wrong other than you saying that people say it?
No opinion on Davante Adams; just one clarification:  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/5/2016 12:16 pm : link
Non-vested vets like Adams are subject to waivers. So if Green Bay drops him, the Giants will be ~10th in line to claim him. The only way the Patriots (or any other team with more than six wins in 2015) could jump ahead of the Giants would be via a trade.
RE: No opinion on Davante Adams; just one clarification:  
pjcas18 : 5/5/2016 12:22 pm : link
In comment 12946451 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Non-vested vets like Adams are subject to waivers. So if Green Bay drops him, the Giants will be ~10th in line to claim him. The only way the Patriots (or any other team with more than six wins in 2015) could jump ahead of the Giants would be via a trade.


that's why I said in my OP
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(or the Pats trade for him).


and teams would only claim him if they want to assume his rookie deal, once through waivers it's a free-for-all.

pjcas18: I doubt his rookie deal would be much of a deterrent.  
Big Blue Blogger : 5/5/2016 12:36 pm : link
pjcas18 said:
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...and teams would only claim him if they want to assume his rookie deal, once through waivers it's a free-for-all.

His salaries for 2016 and 2017 are fairly close to the relevant minimum, and he could be cut at any time with zero dead money. So if he gets waived and a team actually wants him, they will probably put in a claim.

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