McAdoo was talking about that will be different. He mentioned development of players and how practice is conducted. He kept going on that it's coaches job to develop talent in the building.
a while back? He was not just calling out the OL ... I think he was talking about the whole team.
I forgot what he called them ... but, they are guys who are just happy to be in the league and collect a paycheck. Not real workers though.
That to me is the greatest job of the head coach - motivating a group of men to run through a wall together (metaphorically speaking).
That is likely why so many were asking about a few of TC's coaches and why they were still around. If they were not taught or developed previously then we are advancing which is good. Kind of makes you wonder if O'Flaherty should have even had the job and somewhere one of his assistants that left was the real coach?
Two of the players being interviewed are Chicago Bear linemen. The "pretty rare" part Richburg is referring to is Linemen from the same team working out together during the offseason at a place like O-Line Performance Center.
he meant by "The majority of my offensive line is not doing anything right now." is that they aren't doing anything together.
I wonder when the interview was done in comparison to when the article was posted. Makes a big difference if the interview took place in February compared to this week.
I think the "majority" he's referring to is all the guys on the roster minus any recent UDFAs. So that could mean Pugh, Flowers are working (or not) while several of the other 11 or so Olinemen on the roster are slacking off.
to round into that leadership role on the line, between him and Pugh. Nice to see!
I don't see leadership as publicly dumping on your teammates. But I'm not sure he's doing that unless he was drunk when he was quoted. I'd question the context of his, assuming it's even accurate to start with.
He answered honestly. Holding people accountable and leading by example is what leaders do, that is precisely what Weston is doing here and I applaud him for it.
Also love to see their response to PFF's bullshit OL rankings. They have NO IDEA what anyone's assignment is but they assign horse shit grades anyway.
for one thing,FA, the cap, and the truncated "training camp", Â
For another, when you have 3 losing season in a row and the coach and possibly the GM are possibly getting canned, many guys are going to mail it in.That's just human nature.
and I completely agree with Joey's assessment of PFF Â
4 OL venting about alot of things in general. Fans being critical on twitter, PFF grading when don't know assignments, college game not preparing for NFL O line play, NFL coaches in general only have time to install offense & no time for technique, and if DL makes 1 sack per game they get paid 100mil.
Talk about the importance of continuity for OL play and how free agency hurts. Richburg quote is in response to the question - "Why do we not see more do this type of thing to get better together?" (meaning why aren't more OL units practicing together at places similar to O-Line Performance Center).
a while back? He was not just calling out the OL ... I think he was talking about the whole team.
I forgot what he called them ... but, they are guys who are just happy to be in the league and collect a paycheck. Not real workers though.
That to me is the greatest job of the head coach - motivating a group of men to run through a wall together (metaphorically speaking).
Here is what he said -
"Banks, a 1984 first-round draft choice and two-time Super Bowl champion who does analysis on Giants' radio broadcasts, says there are players all around the league satisfied to be what he calls "ERW" guys. What are ERW guys? They are players happy to do no more than eat, ride, and warm up."
And he was talking about the whole league .... not just the Giants.
who have bargained for less practice time.And only a limited amount of full contact practices. Perhaps he should be calling out his own union,I am pretty sure the coaches would not object to more time in real football situations to coach up the players.
RE: This was part of a roundtable w/ Pete Prisco on the state of OL today Â
none of those involved come off very well (Long, Warmack, and Massie also quoted). I wonder if any of these guys would take coaching from Belichek even though he never played at a high level. In The Line Of Fire - ( New Window )
That was good.
PFF lol
Lot of good quotes about the skill rather than violence since the rule changes, etc.
Shot to the coaching for lack of coaching speaks to the lack of practice time IMO. I've stated how ridiculous 90 players in camp is with so fe reps.
To his credit Coughlin was the first to predict how the 2011 CBA Â
would hurt the overall development of players particularly the OL and DL. Goodell gave him something of a warning. But TC was ranting away amount limited practices will result in more injuries as well.
I think Richburg means "right now" as in at that particular Â
who have bargained for less practice time.And only a limited amount of full contact practices. Perhaps he should be calling out his own union,I am pretty sure the coaches would not object to more time in real football situations to coach up the players.
Agreed. I'm sure that the rest of our OL (and the whole team) work out regularly, although not together. As you say, the collectively bargained diminished practice time is not helpful in creating chemistry.
But I'm not crazy about what Richburg did in calling out his linemates. It's hard to know what effects this will have down the line. What he said could have been said in private to his teammates...leaders do that.
They are just saying to become really good players need to do more, like they are doing at the center. But most players are content with doing the basics.
when looking at the whole thing. Because they aren't in a camp for OL they are doing nothing? Flowers already has a reputation for a good work ethic and I think so does Pugh. They just aren't doing what he is doing.
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when looking at the whole thing. Because they aren't in a camp for OL they are doing nothing? Flowers already has a reputation for a good work ethic and I think so does Pugh. They just aren't doing what he is doing.
Could mean he meant they weren't doing much at the time of the interview. Or could mean Richburg, Pugh, Flowers are all working hard but he's talking about some of the other 11 linemen. I suspect Hart and Jones might be in the working hard group.
Whether he called the OLine out or not, I'd like to see him emerge as the leader of the OLine in the next few years. He's still very young, but has been one of the few consistent players on the Line since he got drafted (yes, he still has work to do, just like everyone else on the Line) and seems like a pretty likable and smart fella.
I had one dude (coach) who played D-III football at linebacker. And he's teaching me how to play offensive line? If there's nothing wrong with that, you tell me. I play offensive line. I don't play linebacker. I definitely didn't play D-III football. Not knocking D-III schools out there. We're talking about the highest level of football in the world. And you have a guy who has never put his hand in the dirt teaching me how to block.
True - Bostad was a linebacker at Wisconsin–Stevens Point. But he coached OL for twenty years before joining the Titans. While Warmack may have a valid point about Bostad teaching technique without having played the position, there's a lack of maturity evident in popping off about a coach who got fired and has to rebuild his career at Northern Illinois.
The Titans replaced Bostad with Russ Grimm. We'll see whether Warmack does any better under a coach whose playing credentials are way better than Chance Warmack's. In the meantime, Warmack should watch his mouth with free agency looming in 2017 after Tennessee waived his fifth-year option.
A bit arrogant, maybe. But he's also insightful and funny, and he admits that coming to the NFL from Oregon's offense, he had no idea what he was doing.
Richburg probably has the best one-liner: "Seven." Massie has some good ones too. He sounds pretty battle-scarred for a 26-year-old who plays a game for a living.
Along with Richburg, Pugh at another camp with MMA techniques for OL, and Hart working his butt off (literally?) To make the weight the Giants asked him to report at and working on foot speed drills posted on Twitter some time back.
Context, man, is everything. Haven't read the link to the whole article yet. But OL play in the NFL ain't what it used to be.
That's why they are here -- to get better. Mainly because they don't feel they get enough teaching from their own NFL coaches. The techniques taught by Bentley might be different than what these linemen are taught when they are with their teams, but the 30 guys who spend eight weeks here swear by the techniques. A lack of fundamental teaching is one reason for the poor state of line play, many of them say.
Limits on practice time have forced NFL coaches to spend most of their time installing the offense, rather than focusing on the tricks of the trade. That's led to sloppy play. There are other reasons for the deterioration of line play, such as the spread offense in college, free agency preventing cohesion, and little contact in practice, which limits growth together as a unit. Add it all up, and it's why the big guys up front have become the NFL players everybody loves to hate.
but I'm surprised more people on here aren't taking Richburg to task for his comments. He called his teammates uncommitted in the media. There were times that BBI an Giants fans considered it sacrosanct to keep that in the locker room.
Some have pointed out that Carl Banks called out the team for being soft. Many of us were saying the exact same thing. Now, our future ProBowl Center is calling out teammates to pick their game up. This is bad how? Hurt feelings? I don't care how hurt their feelings are. The Giants as a team need to get back to brawling, physical football. Richburg is leading the way.
but I'm surprised more people on here aren't taking Richburg to task for his comments. He called his teammates uncommitted in the media. There were times that BBI an Giants fans considered it sacrosanct to keep that in the locker room.
That's because most people posting on this thread assume he's talking about Jerry and Newhouse and they agree with calling those 2 out (even if he's really calling out the other 2).
A bit arrogant, maybe. But he's also insightful and funny, and he admits that coming to the NFL from Oregon's offense, he had no idea what he was doing.
Richburg probably has the best one-liner: "Seven." Massie has some good ones too. He sounds pretty battle-scarred for a 26-year-old who plays a game for a living.
Warmack comes across as a total sh!thead.
Long pointing out how more prepared Alabama lineman are for the NFL than the rest just went into Saban's recruiting packet.
but I'm surprised more people on here aren't taking Richburg to task for his comments. He called his teammates uncommitted in the media.
He also took a shot at Coughlin IMO when he mentioned there isn't much teaching . . . sink or swim.
Who knows what the linemen are doing behind the scenes yet i think it's a safe bet we have no heard the last of this.
I think you're misinterpreting the context of his comments on "sink or swim."
The . . . Is part of the message. It wasn't Coughlin who had a sink or swim perspective. It's up to the players yet the he mention there really isn't much coaching. Being the Giants have developed so few, and that could be the talent, i wonder b/c the head coach is really emphasizing teaching going forward. Personally, i saw three OTA practices and not sure what was being taught or learned as the vets just clowned around to the side and many just stood and watched.
either find a decent RT to replace the dumpster fire that is newhouse or they move pugh out to RT again and can find an OG to insert at LG (hart?) ideally they also find another OG to replace jerry who is only a dumpster fire on some plays not every play the way newhouse is
they could maybe get by with a starting line of
flowers - hart - richberg - jerry - pugh
but they couldnt afford a single injury to the OL unless they get some better depth or better yet a full time replacement for jerry too maybe re-sign beatty for RT then
I forgot what he called them ... but, they are guys who are just happy to be in the league and collect a paycheck. Not real workers though.
That to me is the greatest job of the head coach - motivating a group of men to run through a wall together (metaphorically speaking).
That is likely why so many were asking about a few of TC's coaches and why they were still around. If they were not taught or developed previously then we are advancing which is good. Kind of makes you wonder if O'Flaherty should have even had the job and somewhere one of his assistants that left was the real coach?
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Flowers = Groot?
Being at Bentley's camp.
However, I would no t read too much into an off-the-cuff remark. It's not like he wrote an essay. He just said something off the top of his head.
Richburg is also young and has not suffered any major injuries. Wait until he is 30. He might use the offseason to rest his body then too.
Two of the players being interviewed are Chicago Bear linemen. The "pretty rare" part Richburg is referring to is Linemen from the same team working out together during the offseason at a place like O-Line Performance Center.
Surely you're not counting yourself, so you think only one other man is doing his job. My guess, it's Pugh.
So, that leaves Flowers, Jerry, Newhouse. Probably true, but is it your place to hang the "wet betting" laundry on the clothesline ?
I'm thinking, every man is already doing his best. It's the coaches job to get more out of them or the GM to replace them.
I wonder when the interview was done in comparison to when the article was posted. Makes a big difference if the interview took place in February compared to this week.
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I think the "majority" he's referring to is all the guys on the roster minus any recent UDFAs. So that could mean Pugh, Flowers are working (or not) while several of the other 11 or so Olinemen on the roster are slacking off.
I don't see leadership as publicly dumping on your teammates. But I'm not sure he's doing that unless he was drunk when he was quoted. I'd question the context of his, assuming it's even accurate to start with.
Also love to see their response to PFF's bullshit OL rankings. They have NO IDEA what anyone's assignment is but they assign horse shit grades anyway.
For another, when you have 3 losing season in a row and the coach and possibly the GM are possibly getting canned, many guys are going to mail it in.That's just human nature.
Talk about the importance of continuity for OL play and how free agency hurts. Richburg quote is in response to the question - "Why do we not see more do this type of thing to get better together?" (meaning why aren't more OL units practicing together at places similar to O-Line Performance Center).
I forgot what he called them ... but, they are guys who are just happy to be in the league and collect a paycheck. Not real workers though.
That to me is the greatest job of the head coach - motivating a group of men to run through a wall together (metaphorically speaking).
Here is what he said -
"Banks, a 1984 first-round draft choice and two-time Super Bowl champion who does analysis on Giants' radio broadcasts, says there are players all around the league satisfied to be what he calls "ERW" guys. What are ERW guys? They are players happy to do no more than eat, ride, and warm up."
And he was talking about the whole league .... not just the Giants.
Blame the players? - ( New Window )
That was good.
PFF lol
Lot of good quotes about the skill rather than violence since the rule changes, etc.
Shot to the coaching for lack of coaching speaks to the lack of practice time IMO. I've stated how ridiculous 90 players in camp is with so fe reps.
Agreed. I'm sure that the rest of our OL (and the whole team) work out regularly, although not together. As you say, the collectively bargained diminished practice time is not helpful in creating chemistry.
But I'm not crazy about what Richburg did in calling out his linemates. It's hard to know what effects this will have down the line. What he said could have been said in private to his teammates...leaders do that.
Could mean he meant they weren't doing much at the time of the interview. Or could mean Richburg, Pugh, Flowers are all working hard but he's talking about some of the other 11 linemen. I suspect Hart and Jones might be in the working hard group.
True - Bostad was a linebacker at Wisconsin–Stevens Point. But he coached OL for twenty years before joining the Titans. While Warmack may have a valid point about Bostad teaching technique without having played the position, there's a lack of maturity evident in popping off about a coach who got fired and has to rebuild his career at Northern Illinois.
The Titans replaced Bostad with Russ Grimm. We'll see whether Warmack does any better under a coach whose playing credentials are way better than Chance Warmack's. In the meantime, Warmack should watch his mouth with free agency looming in 2017 after Tennessee waived his fifth-year option.
Richburg probably has the best one-liner: "Seven." Massie has some good ones too. He sounds pretty battle-scarred for a 26-year-old who plays a game for a living.
Warmack comes across as a total sh!thead.
Have you all faced stubborn coaches who want it done their way and only their way?
Richburg: They try and put you in a cookie-cutter.
Noooo, Tom Coughlin's coaches would never do that.
Context, man, is everything. Haven't read the link to the whole article yet. But OL play in the NFL ain't what it used to be.
Limits on practice time have forced NFL coaches to spend most of their time installing the offense, rather than focusing on the tricks of the trade. That's led to sloppy play. There are other reasons for the deterioration of line play, such as the spread offense in college, free agency preventing cohesion, and little contact in practice, which limits growth together as a unit. Add it all up, and it's why the big guys up front have become the NFL players everybody loves to hate.
He also took a shot at Coughlin IMO when he mentioned there isn't much teaching . . . sink or swim.
Who knows what the linemen are doing behind the scenes yet i think it's a safe bet we have no heard the last of this.
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but I'm surprised more people on here aren't taking Richburg to task for his comments. He called his teammates uncommitted in the media.
He also took a shot at Coughlin IMO when he mentioned there isn't much teaching . . . sink or swim.
Who knows what the linemen are doing behind the scenes yet i think it's a safe bet we have no heard the last of this.
I think you're misinterpreting the context of his comments on "sink or swim."
That's because most people posting on this thread assume he's talking about Jerry and Newhouse and they agree with calling those 2 out (even if he's really calling out the other 2).
Richburg probably has the best one-liner: "Seven." Massie has some good ones too. He sounds pretty battle-scarred for a 26-year-old who plays a game for a living.
Warmack comes across as a total sh!thead.
Long pointing out how more prepared Alabama lineman are for the NFL than the rest just went into Saban's recruiting packet.
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but I'm surprised more people on here aren't taking Richburg to task for his comments. He called his teammates uncommitted in the media.
He also took a shot at Coughlin IMO when he mentioned there isn't much teaching . . . sink or swim.
Who knows what the linemen are doing behind the scenes yet i think it's a safe bet we have no heard the last of this.
I think you're misinterpreting the context of his comments on "sink or swim."
The . . . Is part of the message. It wasn't Coughlin who had a sink or swim perspective. It's up to the players yet the he mention there really isn't much coaching. Being the Giants have developed so few, and that could be the talent, i wonder b/c the head coach is really emphasizing teaching going forward. Personally, i saw three OTA practices and not sure what was being taught or learned as the vets just clowned around to the side and many just stood and watched.
they could maybe get by with a starting line of
flowers - hart - richberg - jerry - pugh
but they couldnt afford a single injury to the OL unless they get some better depth or better yet a full time replacement for jerry too maybe re-sign beatty for RT then
flowers - pugh - richberg - hart - beatty
and jerry as a backup?