none of those involved come off very well (Long, Warmack, and Massie also quoted). I wonder if any of these guys would take coaching from Belichek even though he never played at a high level. In The Line Of Fire - ( New Window )
Did a interview with him and a few other O linemen . I think Klyle Long and Chance Warmack . Aron Nagler put out the tweet . Said this is going to go over well in the Giants locker room .
I believe Pugh went to Bentley's OL camp, so it can't be him
so if he's not calling himself out, he means himself and one other guy are working hard. Flowers seemed pretty dedicated as does Pugh. Who is he referring to?
none of those involved come off very well (Long, Warmack, and Massie also quoted). I wonder if any of these guys would take coaching from Belichek even though he never played at a high level. In The Line Of Fire - ( New Window )
That interview sure wasn't a ringing endorsement of the Coaching/Teaching that goes on in much of the NFL these days. And considering how bad some individuals, and teams look these days compared to years past, ie. not much growth in techniques, etc..., it's not hard to believe what these players said in the interview. That's kind of sad.
I'm not big on calling out guys outside of the house...
McAdoo was talking about that will be different. He mentioned development of players and how practice is conducted. He kept going on that it's coaches job to develop talent in the building.
a while back? He was not just calling out the OL ... I think he was talking about the whole team.
I forgot what he called them ... but, they are guys who are just happy to be in the league and collect a paycheck. Not real workers though.
That to me is the greatest job of the head coach - motivating a group of men to run through a wall together (metaphorically speaking).
That is likely why so many were asking about a few of TC's coaches and why they were still around. If they were not taught or developed previously then we are advancing which is good. Kind of makes you wonder if O'Flaherty should have even had the job and somewhere one of his assistants that left was the real coach?
Two of the players being interviewed are Chicago Bear linemen. The "pretty rare" part Richburg is referring to is Linemen from the same team working out together during the offseason at a place like O-Line Performance Center.
he meant by "The majority of my offensive line is not doing anything right now." is that they aren't doing anything together.
I wonder when the interview was done in comparison to when the article was posted. Makes a big difference if the interview took place in February compared to this week.
I think the "majority" he's referring to is all the guys on the roster minus any recent UDFAs. So that could mean Pugh, Flowers are working (or not) while several of the other 11 or so Olinemen on the roster are slacking off.
to round into that leadership role on the line, between him and Pugh. Nice to see!
I don't see leadership as publicly dumping on your teammates. But I'm not sure he's doing that unless he was drunk when he was quoted. I'd question the context of his, assuming it's even accurate to start with.
He answered honestly. Holding people accountable and leading by example is what leaders do, that is precisely what Weston is doing here and I applaud him for it.
Also love to see their response to PFF's bullshit OL rankings. They have NO IDEA what anyone's assignment is but they assign horse shit grades anyway.
for one thing,FA, the cap, and the truncated "training camp",
For another, when you have 3 losing season in a row and the coach and possibly the GM are possibly getting canned, many guys are going to mail it in.That's just human nature.
and I completely agree with Joey's assessment of PFF
4 OL venting about alot of things in general. Fans being critical on twitter, PFF grading when don't know assignments, college game not preparing for NFL O line play, NFL coaches in general only have time to install offense & no time for technique, and if DL makes 1 sack per game they get paid 100mil.
Talk about the importance of continuity for OL play and how free agency hurts. Richburg quote is in response to the question - "Why do we not see more do this type of thing to get better together?" (meaning why aren't more OL units practicing together at places similar to O-Line Performance Center).
a while back? He was not just calling out the OL ... I think he was talking about the whole team.
I forgot what he called them ... but, they are guys who are just happy to be in the league and collect a paycheck. Not real workers though.
That to me is the greatest job of the head coach - motivating a group of men to run through a wall together (metaphorically speaking).
Here is what he said -
"Banks, a 1984 first-round draft choice and two-time Super Bowl champion who does analysis on Giants' radio broadcasts, says there are players all around the league satisfied to be what he calls "ERW" guys. What are ERW guys? They are players happy to do no more than eat, ride, and warm up."
And he was talking about the whole league .... not just the Giants.
who have bargained for less practice time.And only a limited amount of full contact practices. Perhaps he should be calling out his own union,I am pretty sure the coaches would not object to more time in real football situations to coach up the players.
RE: This was part of a roundtable w/ Pete Prisco on the state of OL today
none of those involved come off very well (Long, Warmack, and Massie also quoted). I wonder if any of these guys would take coaching from Belichek even though he never played at a high level. In The Line Of Fire - ( New Window )
That was good.
PFF lol
Lot of good quotes about the skill rather than violence since the rule changes, etc.
Shot to the coaching for lack of coaching speaks to the lack of practice time IMO. I've stated how ridiculous 90 players in camp is with so fe reps.
To his credit Coughlin was the first to predict how the 2011 CBA
would hurt the overall development of players particularly the OL and DL. Goodell gave him something of a warning. But TC was ranting away amount limited practices will result in more injuries as well.
I think Richburg means "right now" as in at that particular
who have bargained for less practice time.And only a limited amount of full contact practices. Perhaps he should be calling out his own union,I am pretty sure the coaches would not object to more time in real football situations to coach up the players.
Agreed. I'm sure that the rest of our OL (and the whole team) work out regularly, although not together. As you say, the collectively bargained diminished practice time is not helpful in creating chemistry.
But I'm not crazy about what Richburg did in calling out his linemates. It's hard to know what effects this will have down the line. What he said could have been said in private to his teammates...leaders do that.
They are just saying to become really good players need to do more, like they are doing at the center. But most players are content with doing the basics.
when looking at the whole thing. Because they aren't in a camp for OL they are doing nothing? Flowers already has a reputation for a good work ethic and I think so does Pugh. They just aren't doing what he is doing.
when looking at the whole thing. Because they aren't in a camp for OL they are doing nothing? Flowers already has a reputation for a good work ethic and I think so does Pugh. They just aren't doing what he is doing.
Could mean he meant they weren't doing much at the time of the interview. Or could mean Richburg, Pugh, Flowers are all working hard but he's talking about some of the other 11 linemen. I suspect Hart and Jones might be in the working hard group.
Whether he called the OLine out or not, I'd like to see him emerge as the leader of the OLine in the next few years. He's still very young, but has been one of the few consistent players on the Line since he got drafted (yes, he still has work to do, just like everyone else on the Line) and seems like a pretty likable and smart fella.
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I thought this was interesting.
Is technique taught in the NFL?
Richburg: There isn't much teaching going on at all. It's kind of sink or swim. That's why I am here.
Uh, oh, maybe John Jerry will take action!
That interview sure wasn't a ringing endorsement of the Coaching/Teaching that goes on in much of the NFL these days. And considering how bad some individuals, and teams look these days compared to years past, ie. not much growth in techniques, etc..., it's not hard to believe what these players said in the interview. That's kind of sad.
if this lights a fire under their ass and our run game breaks 2K yards... sign this guy for life...
I forgot what he called them ... but, they are guys who are just happy to be in the league and collect a paycheck. Not real workers though.
That to me is the greatest job of the head coach - motivating a group of men to run through a wall together (metaphorically speaking).
I forgot what he called them ... but, they are guys who are just happy to be in the league and collect a paycheck. Not real workers though.
That to me is the greatest job of the head coach - motivating a group of men to run through a wall together (metaphorically speaking).
That is likely why so many were asking about a few of TC's coaches and why they were still around. If they were not taught or developed previously then we are advancing which is good. Kind of makes you wonder if O'Flaherty should have even had the job and somewhere one of his assistants that left was the real coach?
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Flowers = Groot?
Being at Bentley's camp.
However, I would no t read too much into an off-the-cuff remark. It's not like he wrote an essay. He just said something off the top of his head.
Richburg is also young and has not suffered any major injuries. Wait until he is 30. He might use the offseason to rest his body then too.
Two of the players being interviewed are Chicago Bear linemen. The "pretty rare" part Richburg is referring to is Linemen from the same team working out together during the offseason at a place like O-Line Performance Center.
Surely you're not counting yourself, so you think only one other man is doing his job. My guess, it's Pugh.
So, that leaves Flowers, Jerry, Newhouse. Probably true, but is it your place to hang the "wet betting" laundry on the clothesline ?
I'm thinking, every man is already doing his best. It's the coaches job to get more out of them or the GM to replace them.
I wonder when the interview was done in comparison to when the article was posted. Makes a big difference if the interview took place in February compared to this week.
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I think the "majority" he's referring to is all the guys on the roster minus any recent UDFAs. So that could mean Pugh, Flowers are working (or not) while several of the other 11 or so Olinemen on the roster are slacking off.
I don't see leadership as publicly dumping on your teammates. But I'm not sure he's doing that unless he was drunk when he was quoted. I'd question the context of his, assuming it's even accurate to start with.
Also love to see their response to PFF's bullshit OL rankings. They have NO IDEA what anyone's assignment is but they assign horse shit grades anyway.
For another, when you have 3 losing season in a row and the coach and possibly the GM are possibly getting canned, many guys are going to mail it in.That's just human nature.
Talk about the importance of continuity for OL play and how free agency hurts. Richburg quote is in response to the question - "Why do we not see more do this type of thing to get better together?" (meaning why aren't more OL units practicing together at places similar to O-Line Performance Center).
I forgot what he called them ... but, they are guys who are just happy to be in the league and collect a paycheck. Not real workers though.
That to me is the greatest job of the head coach - motivating a group of men to run through a wall together (metaphorically speaking).
Here is what he said -
"Banks, a 1984 first-round draft choice and two-time Super Bowl champion who does analysis on Giants' radio broadcasts, says there are players all around the league satisfied to be what he calls "ERW" guys. What are ERW guys? They are players happy to do no more than eat, ride, and warm up."
And he was talking about the whole league .... not just the Giants.
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That was good.
PFF lol
Lot of good quotes about the skill rather than violence since the rule changes, etc.
Shot to the coaching for lack of coaching speaks to the lack of practice time IMO. I've stated how ridiculous 90 players in camp is with so fe reps.
Agreed. I'm sure that the rest of our OL (and the whole team) work out regularly, although not together. As you say, the collectively bargained diminished practice time is not helpful in creating chemistry.
But I'm not crazy about what Richburg did in calling out his linemates. It's hard to know what effects this will have down the line. What he said could have been said in private to his teammates...leaders do that.
Could mean he meant they weren't doing much at the time of the interview. Or could mean Richburg, Pugh, Flowers are all working hard but he's talking about some of the other 11 linemen. I suspect Hart and Jones might be in the working hard group.