to defend this staggering piece of shit. That stupid fucking statue should be melted down and poured over any idiot that still tries to defend him Game of Thrones style.
Everyone outside of the College Station fanatics know he knew about this for awhile. Its time to let it go and hope a lesson has been learned by all involved
Everyone outside of the College Station fanatics know he knew about this for awhile. Its time to let it go and hope a lesson has been learned by all involved
Everyone outside of the College Station fanatics know he knew about this for awhile. Its time to let it go and hope a lesson has been learned by all involved
I hope you are being sarcastic.
He's not. He's a presumptuous tool who makes excuses for abhorrent behavior.
Everyone outside of the College Station fanatics know he knew about this for awhile. Its time to let it go and hope a lesson has been learned by all involved
I hope you are being sarcastic.
He's not. He's a presumptuous tool who makes excuses for abhorrent behavior.
You forgot to add the political nonsense you silly little fucktard
For a basketball camp. On opening night, Paterno was there welcoming the football campers andvIngot to meet him and shake his hand as we were all in the same auditorium for the camp welcome. It was 1976.
Where's the evidence? Where are the real witnesses? Paterno and Penn State have raised millions of dollars for charity. He didn't know what was going on. He was the football coach!
Does that about cover it, weirdo cultist quasi-pro-child abuse Paterno wack jobs? Save your putrid breath. You're welcome.
Everyone outside of the College Station fanatics know he knew about this for awhile. Its time to let it go and hope a lesson has been learned by all involved
I hope you are being sarcastic.
He's not. He's a presumptuous tool who makes excuses for abhorrent behavior.
You forgot to add the political nonsense you silly little fucktard
48 Hours did a piece on how much everyone knew what was going on. Teachers at those schools, yes middle school knew what Sandusky club was all about for years and said nothing. Hell some of the school administration recommended boys for the club. A disgrace in the highest order.
It is truly a cult mentality in Happy Valley. Everybody drinking the kool-aid.
Everyone outside of the College Station fanatics know he knew about this for awhile. Its time to let it go and hope a lesson has been learned by all involved
disagree entirely, there is a lot of value to this story.
Everyone outside of the College Station fanatics know he knew about this for awhile. Its time to let it go and hope a lesson has been learned by all involved
disagree entirely, there is a lot of value to this story.
Montana's "go to" defense is just like those he employs when he defends any one of the scum bag public figures he decides to...if it's not being talked about any more, forget it ever happened.
is in court trying to get a new trial. That's where this information is coming from. Says he's innocent too. Penn State is trying to recoup 60 million dollars through their insurance company. The insurance company is fighting it and has surprisingly found some "new alleged" information that would be to their advantage. They wrote it in their court order themselves, so it must be true!
It really is a shame he died so soon after this broke. Â
and ESPN classic has taken but If I were in charge I would give the death penalty to any Penn State highlights from the so called glory years. I know that may not be fair to the innocent players who gave it their all and had nothing to do with this mess but it's hard watching those any highlight reel know what people on the sidelines knew at the time!
Sandusky is a sicko but the people who enabled him for so many years were truly terrible human beings. How did Paterno sleep at night? And how does Sandusky still fight to get his convictions overturned. 45 counts against him with apparently numerous additional victims who weren't included in this criminal case.
But seriously, do you people read and understand English?
The very brief linked article uses the word "allegedly"
al·leg·ed·ly
əˈlejədlē/
adverb
used to convey that something is claimed to be the case or have taken place, although there is no proof.
Unlike many people that hold a strong opinion on this issue, I read every word of the 200+ page report that was produced by the independent commission, and there was very little direct evidence of Paterno burying information. Yeah, he should have followed up after he did report it, but as I said, there's not much in the way of incontrovertible evidence.
But feel free to flame away.
You signed up and registered to defend Joe Paterno? Â
If he did not know, it is because he did not want to know.
I believed all that stuff that it was a clean program, I was wrong -- there is no clean program at any college.
This is so much worst than all the other forms of cheating, in other college football programs.
from link on sentencing of former House Speaker Dennis Hastert, below
"As a 17-year-old boy, I was devastated," he said. "I tried to figure out why Coach Hastert had singled me out." He endured years of guilt, isolation and sleeplessness, he told the court. "Today I understand I did nothing to bring this on, but at age 17, I could not understand what happened or why."
" U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study estimates it could be as high as 1 of every 6 men — hide what happened to them for years. They tell no one. But every so often, something happens to crack the silence. " Link - ( New Window )
is in court trying to get a new trial. That's where this information is coming from. Says he's innocent too. Penn State is trying to recoup 60 million dollars through their insurance company. The insurance company is fighting it and has surprisingly found some "new alleged" information that would be to their advantage. They wrote it in their court order themselves, so it must be true!
So, you think the insurance company just made stuff up and wrote up the fictitious accounts in their briefs that are official court records?
Sandusky is a sicko but the people who enabled him for so many years were truly terrible human beings. How did Paterno sleep at night? And how does Sandusky still fight to get his convictions overturned. 45 counts against him with apparently numerous additional victims who weren't included in this criminal case.
completely brainwashed oblivious trash bags with no fucking clue or common sense who find it's ok to abuse children but not tarnish a football coach's legacy State!
The 94 season holds some great childhood memories. That said, I no longer even bother to watch the games anymore. To see so many otherwise rational, well adjusted adults not only run to defend Paterno but actually play the victim/persecution card...it makes me sick.
Directly to those defending/making excuses/playing semantics (well it only says "allegedly")...what in Gods name is wrong with you? What would it take for you to see these positively abhorrent actions for what they are? Does your own child have to become a victim? I mean, seriously, what in the hell is wrong with you people?
STATE COLLEGE, Pa.—At Saturday’s Penn State football game, many of the nearly 100,000 fans will be wearing khaki pants with the cuffs rolled up, white shirts and thick black glasses in a tribute to late head football coach Joe Paterno.
There will be cardboard Paterno cut-outs and a postgame candlelight vigil on the spot where his statue stood before the university removed it in 2012 amid fallout from an assistant coach’s child sex-abuse scandal.
“We’re not going away,” said Laurie Stanell, a 58-year-old dentist from Doylestown, Pa., who graduated from Penn State in 1980 and is behind the sartorial shout-out. “We’re just going to keep honoring him and pushing for the university to come back on board.”
During the trial there wasn't anything said about any incidents before the late 90s. Now the school is handing out money hand and fist, and suddenly someone is claiming they spoke to Paterno two decades earlier. It's beyond any statute of limitations, so no investigation. Paterno is long dead, Sandusky has denied everything from the start, so that's not going to change. And Penn State is so worried about its reputation, it's basically OKing every claim out there. Whenever anyone is handing out money, false claims come out everytime from people looking to get rich. I would not be surprised if this was one of them.
Of course, I will be labeled a Paterno apologist for suggesting that there may be a few people out there lying out their ass to get rich of this case. Because while there were people willing to lie out their asses to make money off of 9/11, this case is beyond reproach.
Sandusky is in jail for life, Paterno is worm food, Curley, Spanier and Schultz are probably never go to trial (ugh...). Anyone involved in this is either dead, in jail, or had their reputations utterly destroyed. I'm not saying move on, because anyone with a legitimate case likely can't. But I'm just so fucking tired of hearing about this shit.
But I know several people who knew Joe. I am 75 and he was older. I suspect this is hard for many of you to understand, but in the world that we grew up in the illusion was that this didn't happen. This was a world where the F word wasn't spoken. If we heard about things like that it was in another world and it's hard to imagine a football type doing anything so hideous. Maybe the Nazi's but not a red blooded American.
Mock me all you want but Joe was a good ten years older and I think he just couldn't believe it. And I think if he had he would have done something. The demonizing that's going on here and the assumption that any decent man wouldn't have done something seems excessive.
If it can be proved that he know and did nothing to protect his program then I'll light the torches, but until then I simply choose not to believe.
But the "I'm old and can't fathom such a thing" is no excuse for allowing this to happen by not saying something. Some of you guys must've been lawyers for the Catholic Church at one point. It's despicable. Gtfoh.
Um, no. I signed up weeks ago for reasons entirely un-related to this thread.
And to be clear, if my son had been one of the kids abused by Sandusky, I'd happily cover him in napalm and drop him into a pit of fire ants.
And yes there was definitly a culture of protect the program at all costs at Penn State.
All i'm looking for is PROOF and EVIDENCE of Paterno's involvement.
Have you read the entire report?
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But feel free to proceed as an emotional douchebag.
What kind of proof and evidence do you want? Do you expect there to be some kind of video of him molesting a boy? I think the sheer volume of victims is proof enough. Is it possible some people lied? Yes it is but it doesn't take away from the fact that everyone who knew about this and did nothing deserves to be punished. Sandusky deserves to burn in hell.
Everyone outside of the College Station fanatics know he knew about this for awhile. Its time to let it go and hope a lesson has been learned by all involved
disagree entirely, there is a lot of value to this story.
Montana's "go to" defense is just like those he employs when he defends any one of the scum bag public figures he decides to...if it's not being talked about any more, forget it ever happened.
Par for the course.
Translation:
"Hey look, I already got bitch slapped once is there anyone I can tag team on your shoulders?"
It's a large range of people. For some, he definitely knew, and nothing short of time travel will prove otherwise. For others, he probably knew. But others, nothing short of a smoking gun will make them believe he knew.
The first and third group are based on irrational pure emotion. These people tend to argue that as a man of his stature, he had his hands in everything (amusing enough, these are the same people who said he was nothing more than a figurehead before all this went down).There's not enough evidence to say definitively, but there is enough to have a reasonable doubt that he was oblivious to it all.
RE: that program should have gotten the death penalty Â
Nobody can defend any of the assholes that were linked to this man. Not even his wife is without blame in all of this. There had to be signs. What a sick group of people. The scarier thing is this goes on far more than we hear about. Anyone ever read about the Franklin Scandal? Child sex abuse seems to be prominent in political circles as well. Sickening some of the names that have been linked to this type of behavior.
According to the Freeh Report, in e-mails from February 2001—after Mike McQueary reported witnessing Sandusky rape a small child in Penn State's Football Program's Lasch building—President Spanier, Vice President Gary Schultz and athletic director Tim Curley decided to confront Sandusky, alert Sandusky's charity/victim breeding ground The Second Mile and, most importantly, contact the Department of Welfare.
That plan changed only after Curley had a little chinwag with coach Joe Paterno.
In an e-mail to Spanier and Schultz Curley writes, "After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps."
simply because you are then punishing the kids who are there now. What I WOULD do is remove, prosecute, and punish ANYONE who was involved with this going back as far as the 70's. IF anyone still is employed by the University... they should be fired and replaced... then let the program go on.
Institutionally covered up child rape is as bad as it gets. Penn State can go fuck itself. And the Catholic church can follow it.
Scumbags.
I'm glad somebody brought up the Catholic Church. I'm just amazed how many predators are out there. Just stunned.
The abuse of young boys and girls dates back to the Greeks and Romans... The Church (all of them) are covered with pedophiles and sickos. But the tolerance to not immediately punish severely (read brutal) the known people is what makes me even more enraged.
Should have shut down the entire university
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Institutionally covered up child rape is as bad as it gets. Penn State can go fuck itself
But they should have shut down the football program. How could what SMU or USF basketball have done that was worse than giving a child molester free reign?
Hell, the PSU punishment isn't too much more severe than what Syracuse basketball got.
USC was hit harder because agents gave Bush's parents a house Â
The Penn State thing is about more than the football program. There's something fundamentally fucked up about all the people that came out in support of Paterno and the school (I know several in my own network of family and friends). Those people needed to be delivered a message by someone bigger than the NCAA.
Penn State could have lost football, but so what? It's a fucking football program. Big deal.
The school itself fosters some kind of odd culture that shouldn't be around kids that are supposed to be educated by this publicly funded university. They deemed football more important than an immediate no stone unturned investigation into a rapist. And more kids were raped as a direct result of that negligence.
Fuck that entire school and anyone that would choose to involve themselves with it.
They venerate their god-king to the extent that they will jam their fingers in their ears and scream "I'm not listening" over and over again rather than even begin to face what their beloved program did.
I've said it before, I'll say it again - if UVA had done what Penn State did, you would never hear another peep out of me about the Wahoos. I'd be ashamed to admit that I ever went there.
RE: RE: RE: Should have shut down the entire university Â
Institutionally covered up child rape is as bad as it gets. Penn State can go fuck itself. And the Catholic church can follow it.
Scumbags.
I'm glad somebody brought up the Catholic Church. I'm just amazed how many predators are out there. Just stunned.
The abuse of young boys and girls dates back to the Greeks and Romans... The Church (all of them) are covered with pedophiles and sickos. But the tolerance to not immediately punish severely (read brutal) the known people is what makes me even more enraged.
Admittedly, i was ignorant about the topic until I started watching SVU many years ago. I started researching the topic and have been, i can't even put into words, how many predators, traffic, etc there is.
the football program would cripple the university. Thousands of jobs lost, huge impact of the state budget, lost opportunities for kids. A whole litany of unintended bad consequences would ensue. So, while it may sound like an obvious solution to just shut it down, I don't think it's that simple or prudent in the long run.
and send the message that no institution is above ruining a bunch of kid's lives.
I never really got too invested in what happened there, but it was absolutely disgusting the number of people who actively went to bat for the football program. It was a program that not only had a serial molester on staff, it kept him employed with access to kids.
Losing football wouldn't have shuttered the school. It is a state university with 15 campuses and a decent academic reputation. They'd find a way to survive - and maybe even learn for the future.
RE: At a place like Penn State, shutting down.... Â
the football program would cripple the university. Thousands of jobs lost, huge impact of the state budget, lost opportunities for kids. A whole litany of unintended bad consequences would ensue. So, while it may sound like an obvious solution to just shut it down, I don't think it's that simple or prudent in the long run.
Agreed. I think many just want the criminal activity to end. Would a sacrificial lamb send a message to the rest to speak up or suffer the same consequences?
it is a sacrificial lamb to punish a program that knowingly kept a sex offender on staff and allowed him access to children. This isn't accepting bribes or paying players. This isn't even a point shaving scandal. This is something that literally has impacted kids for the rest of their lives.
Not sure how those trangressions can't end up with the death penalty, but paying players with fake jobs can.
The cult surrounding the program is what allowed Sandusky's evil to Â
thrive for so long. Football and Paterno uber alles. If it meant sweeping child abuse under the rug to protect the program then, by god, that's what they would do.
Putting the program in a deep freeze for five years might have taught those sick bastards some perspective.
it is a sacrificial lamb to punish a program that knowingly kept a sex offender on staff and allowed him access to children. This isn't accepting bribes or paying players. This isn't even a point shaving scandal. This is something that literally has impacted kids for the rest of their lives.
Not sure how those trangressions can't end up with the death penalty, but paying players with fake jobs can.
I know, if the answer was that easy we could have abolished this type of activity long ago. I'm amazed how broad the problem is. Heck, i try to stay in shape just for my kids. I have family but mortified if my kids ever went to an orphanage, etc. i have keep an eye on their video games and the internet b/c i don't know who is lurking.
stop making sense, from the tone of these posts, no one is interested in common sense.
Unlike the mob, I do not know what or when Joe Paterno knew what. I do know, that for those so inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, some evidence was put forward to put at least some doubt on his involvement.
However, when good people, who happened to be Penn State grads, of which I am not, were not in a rush to judge him, presented some of these arguments, people like those on this thread, screamed "cult" and shouted them down.
I would suggest if anyone is acting unreasonably, it is those who would not even allow defenders of Paterno to raise these doubts, but would immediately accept that an insurance company coming up with support showing Paterno did know about the abuse, in an attempt to save 60 million dollars is a fact............. are acting people who would destroy innocent people in the name of justice.
They are carpet bombers.
Now I will sit back and watch as they will scream me down, call me names......and show their ignorance in the process.
of the 50s, 60s and 70s when people didn't "use the F word". Nothing this terrible could have ever happened then. Sure, there was institutional discrimination against black people, gay people, women, etc. but men committing crimes they've been committing for thousands of years? No, never.
I think I prefer today's potty-mouthed, girls gone wild, twitterific, etc. world. If that's the price of the transparency that helped to expose and subsequently bury much of the bullshit that passed for self-evident in the past, then it's well worth it.
But I know several people who knew Joe. I am 75 and he was older. I suspect this is hard for many of you to understand, but in the world that we grew up in the illusion was that this didn't happen. This was a world where the F word wasn't spoken. If we heard about things like that it was in another world and it's hard to imagine a football type doing anything so hideous. Maybe the Nazi's but not a red blooded American.
Mock me all you want but Joe was a good ten years older and I think he just couldn't believe it. And I think if he had he would have done something. The demonizing that's going on here and the assumption that any decent man wouldn't have done something seems excessive.
If it can be proved that he know and did nothing to protect his program then I'll light the torches, but until then I simply choose not to believe.
I believe this. I am from Connecticut and brought up Roman Catholic my greater family ( cousins etc ) were always tight with the Church and 2 of my cousins were messed around with by Priests...
Talking to my parents and a couple other relatives about it, they all said the same thing...
It was so hard to believe it was true... no one in the family would believe it.
and letting things play out but I think suggesting that the insurance company committed perjury is a far bigger reach than suggesting Paterno knew longer than previously though given everything we know to date.
It's borderline tinfoil-hattish in its own right. $60 million (less whatever reinsurance or other risk mitigation they have in place) is a lot to pay out but it's nowhere near as damaging as committing perjury - a criminal act - would be. If they put that forward, you can bet it's legit.
and even the non-malignant ones who argue "we can't impose the death penalty because it would impact jobs" ignore the central point of this whole tragedy, which is that it was swept under the rug for precisely this reason, because football was too big, too important, too economically significant to prioritize what should have been prioritized. It's an educational institution and football is a game.
Now if JoePa knew this in '76 it goes way beyond sparing the football program embarrassment. Even firing him without explaining why, just seven or so years into his time with the University, would not have crippled either the program or the football team. It might have allowed this to keep going on, at another college or a high school or wherever he could have gotten a job, but to provide him a quarter-century or more of opportunity to molest kids is something else entirely.
anything for or against Penn State - but if this "news" was really the reason that finally got people to realize that Paterno knew, you really have to be kidding yourself. The guy ran that city for 50 years. He knew everything.
So while it's nice to "think of the old days" and say things like "it was a different time back then..." it's complete and utter bullshit. The guy knew about a sexual predator preying on young boys for 30+ years, and didn't utter a peep about it. What else is there to say?
And I never directly experienced, saw or heard of anything related to sexual abuse. In Catholic school, I and my peers used to spend a lot of time alone with our priests and there was never anything inappropriate, none of my fellow altar boys ever seemed weird or anything like that. It was overall a pretty positive experience.
It was a massive shock to me, too, when all the revelations came out. It still is but you have to go where the evidence leads you.
This is not the kind of situation where you say, "That kind of thing doesn't happen here" and keep it under wraps. Those kids needed someone to stand for them and this supposed leader of young men was more concerned with his legacy.
How can you see that happening with your own eyes, and just turn and walk away? And then, instead of calling the police, you go talk it over with your dad and then Joe Paterno?
you have every right to your opinion but those that continue to defend or "wait until all the facts come out" are going to look even dumber, when more facts actually start coming out. I'd start to pump the brakes a little bit.
Let's believe that he knew nothing of the 1998 investigation (Sandusky retired in 1999, and let's assume that was a happy coincidence).
Let's assume that he doesn't hear of the 2000 incident involving the custodian catching Sandusky with a young boy.
Without question, he is made aware in 2002 by McQueary. No report is made to the state police or any child protective agency. Sandusky loses his keys to the PSU facilities. Sandusky's charity is informed.
The investigation into Sandusky begins in '09 and charges filed in '11.
Also note that Paterno was business partners with several board members of the Second Mile charity, engaging in real estate development projects between '02 and '09.
At a minimum, starting in 2002, Joe Paterno displayed one or more of the following:
1. Mind-numbing ignorance
2. Indifference to a predator
3. Greed
4. Conspiracy
Bottom line, there is no good outcome for Joe Paterno who even admitted as he was dying from cancer that he wished he had done more.
I don't have an opinion, as stated I don't know what he knew or didn't know, or when.
If you are correct, and more and more evidence comes out that he knew of the atrocities of Sandusky, and did nothing......you will never again here me offer any suggestion in defense of him.
As to the older poster who shared that at that age the thought of what Sandusky did was inconceivable: My dad was 87 years old when he died, Italian like Paterno.....I know there is some truth in what the poster suggested, at least where my dad was concerned.,
The act of raping a child, of the same sex, did not compute. Anyone can mock this idea all they want, but this was a great generation, my dad's life is an incredible story, from poverty, WWII, to huge success in his life....they saw the world differently, some things were taboo to even speak of. It's just the way it was.
Ryann I don't know if your post was sincere or condescending, I am a grown man, successful in my own life. I am educated, deal with many people, and am well respected in my community and in my profession. It is not lightly that I make statements about sensitive issues such as the Penn State Scandal.
But in my world people do not speak with the crassness and ignorance that you see so often on BBI. I believe my point wasn't so much in defense of Paterno as it was a condemnation of the mob mentality often seen on this site.
epitomizes the complete lack of clarity that runs rampant throughout the Penn State cult:
"Unlike the mob, I do not know what or when Joe Paterno knew what. I do know, that for those so inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, some evidence was put forward to put at least some doubt on his involvement."
Bullshit. He knew and did nothing about it. Nothing. How long he knew - and if the latest reports are true - is the question and it could have been DECADES.
Instead of "giving him the benefit of the doubt" - which is completely ridiculous considering that all of this happened on his watch and he had knowledge of Sandusky's actions - you should be pissed off that your hero basically allowed this to happen ruining the lives of dozens of young people and families.
Shame on you for deciding to wear blinders where you see fit as long as it benefits your beloved Penn State. Shame on you.
I don't have an opinion, as stated I don't know what he knew or didn't know, or when.
If you are correct, and more and more evidence comes out that he knew of the atrocities of Sandusky, and did nothing......you will never again here me offer any suggestion in defense of him.
As to the older poster who shared that at that age the thought of what Sandusky did was inconceivable: My dad was 87 years old when he died, Italian like Paterno.....I know there is some truth in what the poster suggested, at least where my dad was concerned.,
The act of raping a child, of the same sex, did not compute. Anyone can mock this idea all they want, but this was a great generation, my dad's life is an incredible story, from poverty, WWII, to huge success in his life....they saw the world differently, some things were taboo to even speak of. It's just the way it was.
Ryann I don't know if your post was sincere or condescending, I am a grown man, successful in my own life. I am educated, deal with many people, and am well respected in my community and in my profession. It is not lightly that I make statements about sensitive issues such as the Penn State Scandal.
But in my world people do not speak with the crassness and ignorance that you see so often on BBI. I believe my point wasn't so much in defense of Paterno as it was a condemnation of the mob mentality often seen on this site.
But thanks for your words of caution.
, I think.
Joe I apppreciate your post, I understand your position.
But you being a nice guy, educated, and by all means well respected in your community, has absolutely zero to do with the fact that Joe Paterno protected a child rapist for many many years. While I appreciate your words and I'm not sure how they are relevant.
My post wasn't meant to be condescending. If me saying that people are basically too embarrassed or blind or stupid to realize the situation at hand is condescending to you, then so be it. I understand that.
on what a scumbag Paterno turned out to be. How much evidence do you need? It's indisputable that he knew enough to notify his "superiors" and never follow up on it, while allowing a predator to roam free on his campus. He also squelched the administration's plan to notify the Department of Welfare and the head of Sandusky's charity - actions that would've blown the lid off the whole thing. All to protect a college football program at the expense of innocent kids.
I think the one that angers me the most is when they yammer on about how Paterno "did what he was obligated to do". Hey, he (belatedly) mentioned this to Tim Curley - what the hell else do you want him to do? He's not a cop!
For seven more years, even as they forbade Sandusky from bringing boys to the State College campus, they let him use the facilities at a satellite campus to hold summer camps for the Second Mile.
And justice really can't be served it is best for people to remember and forever bring this grave injustice up to these PSU fans. It should be an embarrassment forever to be associated with that fucking school.
Forgiving or forgetting this is a fucking joke, the school should always be lambasted for this tragedy until even the most fervent, arrogant, and ignorant PSU fanboy accept that this is a gross embarrassment and there is no defense for anyone remotely involved. Until then the taunting and hate should continue for perpetuity.
Everyone outside of the College Station fanatics know he knew about this for awhile. Its time to let it go and hope a lesson has been learned by all involved
simply believe what they want to believe. You can argue with them until the end of time, present mountains of evidence, and you won't change their minds.
Paterno's defenders are of the same ilk as those that believe the moon landings were a hoax. No amount of logic will budge them.
If Joe Paterno was a teacher or the local trash collector Â
I get nauseous every time I ride SEPTA and I see an add for some Joe Paterno charity run. I always think how can the advertise something for him with all the crap that went down
knowledge of the abuse should be jailed. The "Paterno Legacy" on campus should be one of preventing abuse and helping those who were abused.
However, I have mixed feelings about ending the football program. I believe it punishes the wrong people.
There is a cult of denial but that's hardly unusual. My neighbor is a great guy, a PSU alum and a local attorney. I went to a Halloween party 2 years ago and he was dressed as Paterno. A woman asked about his costume and he explained it to her. She said something to the effect of "isn't he the pervert?" Of course, he defended Paterno.
I think all the coaches names should be known. Alert TMZ and let their posse follow them around non-stop. Bring it all to light b/c none of them deserve a pass.
that program needs a figurative bullet to the back of the head Â
All of this shit was about protecting the program. Joe Paterno, may he be burning in hell right now, and the rest of the staff abetted child rape for almost FOUR DECADES in the name of winning college football games. I don't give a shit what supposed collateral damage is unfairly caused by killing the program - these people are fucking sick, and they need to be taught a lesson. So some players are going to have to play for other schools. Boo hoo.
I can't believe how long this shit has been going on for Â
schools slipping envelopes of cash in kids' pockets, buying them a car, getting them a no-show job....and spending decades protecting a child rapist on the staff from being caught.
I pray that these young boys manage to have a life Â
I hope you are being sarcastic.
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Everyone outside of the College Station fanatics know he knew about this for awhile. Its time to let it go and hope a lesson has been learned by all involved
I hope you are being sarcastic.
He's not. He's a presumptuous tool who makes excuses for abhorrent behavior.
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Everyone outside of the College Station fanatics know he knew about this for awhile. Its time to let it go and hope a lesson has been learned by all involved
I hope you are being sarcastic.
He's not. He's a presumptuous tool who makes excuses for abhorrent behavior.
You forgot to add the political nonsense you silly little fucktard
What a phony
Does that about cover it, weirdo cultist quasi-pro-child abuse Paterno wack jobs? Save your putrid breath. You're welcome.
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Everyone outside of the College Station fanatics know he knew about this for awhile. Its time to let it go and hope a lesson has been learned by all involved
I hope you are being sarcastic.
He's not. He's a presumptuous tool who makes excuses for abhorrent behavior.
You forgot to add the political nonsense you silly little fucktard
Whoahoho! Good one!
It is truly a cult mentality in Happy Valley. Everybody drinking the kool-aid.
disagree entirely, there is a lot of value to this story.
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Everyone outside of the College Station fanatics know he knew about this for awhile. Its time to let it go and hope a lesson has been learned by all involved
disagree entirely, there is a lot of value to this story.
Montana's "go to" defense is just like those he employs when he defends any one of the scum bag public figures he decides to...if it's not being talked about any more, forget it ever happened.
Par for the course.
Fuck Paterno.
I can't wait to hear your impassioned defense of this piece of shit.
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College Station? Idiots.
I can't wait to hear your impassioned defense of this piece of shit.
You wouldn't listen anyway. No fucking sense.
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College Station? Idiots.
I can't wait to hear your impassioned defense of this piece of shit.
You wouldn't listen anyway. No fucking sense.
You are an embarrassment.
and have no ties to Penn State
But seriously, do you people read and understand English?
The very brief linked article uses the word "allegedly"
al·leg·ed·ly
əˈlejədlē/
adverb
used to convey that something is claimed to be the case or have taken place, although there is no proof.
Unlike many people that hold a strong opinion on this issue, I read every word of the 200+ page report that was produced by the independent commission, and there was very little direct evidence of Paterno burying information. Yeah, he should have followed up after he did report it, but as I said, there's not much in the way of incontrovertible evidence.
But feel free to flame away.
Come on prison boys!
If he did not know, it is because he did not want to know.
I believed all that stuff that it was a clean program, I was wrong -- there is no clean program at any college.
This is so much worst than all the other forms of cheating, in other college football programs.
from link on sentencing of former House Speaker Dennis Hastert, below
"As a 17-year-old boy, I was devastated," he said. "I tried to figure out why Coach Hastert had singled me out." He endured years of guilt, isolation and sleeplessness, he told the court. "Today I understand I did nothing to bring this on, but at age 17, I could not understand what happened or why."
" U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study estimates it could be as high as 1 of every 6 men — hide what happened to them for years. They tell no one. But every so often, something happens to crack the silence. "
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on a pile of money.
Directly to those defending/making excuses/playing semantics (well it only says "allegedly")...what in Gods name is wrong with you? What would it take for you to see these positively abhorrent actions for what they are? Does your own child have to become a victim? I mean, seriously, what in the hell is wrong with you people?
There will be cardboard Paterno cut-outs and a postgame candlelight vigil on the spot where his statue stood before the university removed it in 2012 amid fallout from an assistant coach’s child sex-abuse scandal.
“We’re not going away,” said Laurie Stanell, a 58-year-old dentist from Doylestown, Pa., who graduated from Penn State in 1980 and is behind the sartorial shout-out. “We’re just going to keep honoring him and pushing for the university to come back on board.”
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Of course, I will be labeled a Paterno apologist for suggesting that there may be a few people out there lying out their ass to get rich of this case. Because while there were people willing to lie out their asses to make money off of 9/11, this case is beyond reproach.
Sandusky is in jail for life, Paterno is worm food, Curley, Spanier and Schultz are probably never go to trial (ugh...). Anyone involved in this is either dead, in jail, or had their reputations utterly destroyed. I'm not saying move on, because anyone with a legitimate case likely can't. But I'm just so fucking tired of hearing about this shit.
Mock me all you want but Joe was a good ten years older and I think he just couldn't believe it. And I think if he had he would have done something. The demonizing that's going on here and the assumption that any decent man wouldn't have done something seems excessive.
If it can be proved that he know and did nothing to protect his program then I'll light the torches, but until then I simply choose not to believe.
Might also be a good time for Matt Lauer to give that poor woman Dottie Sandusky another chance to set the record straight.
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Um, no. I signed up weeks ago for reasons entirely un-related to this thread.
And to be clear, if my son had been one of the kids abused by Sandusky, I'd happily cover him in napalm and drop him into a pit of fire ants.
And yes there was definitly a culture of protect the program at all costs at Penn State.
All i'm looking for is PROOF and EVIDENCE of Paterno's involvement.
Have you read the entire report?
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But feel free to proceed as an emotional douchebag.
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lmao! What a piece of shit.
Um, no. I signed up weeks ago for reasons entirely un-related to this thread.
And to be clear, if my son had been one of the kids abused by Sandusky, I'd happily cover him in napalm and drop him into a pit of fire ants.
And yes there was definitly a culture of protect the program at all costs at Penn State.
All i'm looking for is PROOF and EVIDENCE of Paterno's involvement.
Have you read the entire report?
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But feel free to proceed as an emotional douchebag.
What kind of proof and evidence do you want? Do you expect there to be some kind of video of him molesting a boy? I think the sheer volume of victims is proof enough. Is it possible some people lied? Yes it is but it doesn't take away from the fact that everyone who knew about this and did nothing deserves to be punished. Sandusky deserves to burn in hell.
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Everyone outside of the College Station fanatics know he knew about this for awhile. Its time to let it go and hope a lesson has been learned by all involved
disagree entirely, there is a lot of value to this story.
Montana's "go to" defense is just like those he employs when he defends any one of the scum bag public figures he decides to...if it's not being talked about any more, forget it ever happened.
Par for the course.
Translation:
"Hey look, I already got bitch slapped once is there anyone I can tag team on your shoulders?"
The first and third group are based on irrational pure emotion. These people tend to argue that as a man of his stature, he had his hands in everything (amusing enough, these are the same people who said he was nothing more than a figurehead before all this went down).There's not enough evidence to say definitively, but there is enough to have a reasonable doubt that he was oblivious to it all.
Could not agree more.
That plan changed only after Curley had a little chinwag with coach Joe Paterno.
In an e-mail to Spanier and Schultz Curley writes, "After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps."
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I am familiar with "college station" in reference to Texas A&M.
Scumbags.
That is the textbook definition of "Complete lack of institutional control". That in itself merits the Death Penalty.
Penn State and the NCAA are both corrupt.
Scumbags.
I'm glad somebody brought up the Catholic Church. I'm just amazed how many predators are out there. Just stunned.
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Institutionally covered up child rape is as bad as it gets. Penn State can go fuck itself. And the Catholic church can follow it.
Scumbags.
I'm glad somebody brought up the Catholic Church. I'm just amazed how many predators are out there. Just stunned.
The abuse of young boys and girls dates back to the Greeks and Romans... The Church (all of them) are covered with pedophiles and sickos. But the tolerance to not immediately punish severely (read brutal) the known people is what makes me even more enraged.
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Institutionally covered up child rape is as bad as it gets. Penn State can go fuck itself
But they should have shut down the football program. How could what SMU or USF basketball have done that was worse than giving a child molester free reign?
Hell, the PSU punishment isn't too much more severe than what Syracuse basketball got.
Penn State could have lost football, but so what? It's a fucking football program. Big deal.
The school itself fosters some kind of odd culture that shouldn't be around kids that are supposed to be educated by this publicly funded university. They deemed football more important than an immediate no stone unturned investigation into a rapist. And more kids were raped as a direct result of that negligence.
Fuck that entire school and anyone that would choose to involve themselves with it.
A rapist. For a football program.
I've said it before, I'll say it again - if UVA had done what Penn State did, you would never hear another peep out of me about the Wahoos. I'd be ashamed to admit that I ever went there.
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Institutionally covered up child rape is as bad as it gets. Penn State can go fuck itself. And the Catholic church can follow it.
Scumbags.
I'm glad somebody brought up the Catholic Church. I'm just amazed how many predators are out there. Just stunned.
The abuse of young boys and girls dates back to the Greeks and Romans... The Church (all of them) are covered with pedophiles and sickos. But the tolerance to not immediately punish severely (read brutal) the known people is what makes me even more enraged.
Admittedly, i was ignorant about the topic until I started watching SVU many years ago. I started researching the topic and have been, i can't even put into words, how many predators, traffic, etc there is.
The fact they got their scholarships back was garbage enough.
I never really got too invested in what happened there, but it was absolutely disgusting the number of people who actively went to bat for the football program. It was a program that not only had a serial molester on staff, it kept him employed with access to kids.
Losing football wouldn't have shuttered the school. It is a state university with 15 campuses and a decent academic reputation. They'd find a way to survive - and maybe even learn for the future.
Agreed. I think many just want the criminal activity to end. Would a sacrificial lamb send a message to the rest to speak up or suffer the same consequences?
Not sure how those trangressions can't end up with the death penalty, but paying players with fake jobs can.
Putting the program in a deep freeze for five years might have taught those sick bastards some perspective.
The system will survive if PSU was given the death penalty is what I was fishing for!
Not sure how those trangressions can't end up with the death penalty, but paying players with fake jobs can.
I know, if the answer was that easy we could have abolished this type of activity long ago. I'm amazed how broad the problem is. Heck, i try to stay in shape just for my kids. I have family but mortified if my kids ever went to an orphanage, etc. i have keep an eye on their video games and the internet b/c i don't know who is lurking.
Man I'm wrong a lot lately. I must be getting into BB'56 and dorgan territory.....
Unlike the mob, I do not know what or when Joe Paterno knew what. I do know, that for those so inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, some evidence was put forward to put at least some doubt on his involvement.
However, when good people, who happened to be Penn State grads, of which I am not, were not in a rush to judge him, presented some of these arguments, people like those on this thread, screamed "cult" and shouted them down.
I would suggest if anyone is acting unreasonably, it is those who would not even allow defenders of Paterno to raise these doubts, but would immediately accept that an insurance company coming up with support showing Paterno did know about the abuse, in an attempt to save 60 million dollars is a fact............. are acting people who would destroy innocent people in the name of justice.
They are carpet bombers.
Now I will sit back and watch as they will scream me down, call me names......and show their ignorance in the process.
I think I prefer today's potty-mouthed, girls gone wild, twitterific, etc. world. If that's the price of the transparency that helped to expose and subsequently bury much of the bullshit that passed for self-evident in the past, then it's well worth it.
Mock me all you want but Joe was a good ten years older and I think he just couldn't believe it. And I think if he had he would have done something. The demonizing that's going on here and the assumption that any decent man wouldn't have done something seems excessive.
If it can be proved that he know and did nothing to protect his program then I'll light the torches, but until then I simply choose not to believe.
I believe this. I am from Connecticut and brought up Roman Catholic my greater family ( cousins etc ) were always tight with the Church and 2 of my cousins were messed around with by Priests...
Talking to my parents and a couple other relatives about it, they all said the same thing...
It was so hard to believe it was true... no one in the family would believe it.
It's borderline tinfoil-hattish in its own right. $60 million (less whatever reinsurance or other risk mitigation they have in place) is a lot to pay out but it's nowhere near as damaging as committing perjury - a criminal act - would be. If they put that forward, you can bet it's legit.
Now if JoePa knew this in '76 it goes way beyond sparing the football program embarrassment. Even firing him without explaining why, just seven or so years into his time with the University, would not have crippled either the program or the football team. It might have allowed this to keep going on, at another college or a high school or wherever he could have gotten a job, but to provide him a quarter-century or more of opportunity to molest kids is something else entirely.
So while it's nice to "think of the old days" and say things like "it was a different time back then..." it's complete and utter bullshit. The guy knew about a sexual predator preying on young boys for 30+ years, and didn't utter a peep about it. What else is there to say?
It was a massive shock to me, too, when all the revelations came out. It still is but you have to go where the evidence leads you.
Unlike the mob, I do not know what or when Joe Paterno knew what.
Haha. "Look, maybe he did know, maybe he didn't...we'll never know..."
Please, spare us.
Fuck Joe Paterno and his family.
color me not surprised.
paterno's seat in hell just got lower and warmer, but who really cares?? wish he was still alive so we could do something about it...
Never, ever heard of that school..Is that like New York University in Texas?
Let's believe that he knew nothing of the 1998 investigation (Sandusky retired in 1999, and let's assume that was a happy coincidence).
Let's assume that he doesn't hear of the 2000 incident involving the custodian catching Sandusky with a young boy.
Without question, he is made aware in 2002 by McQueary. No report is made to the state police or any child protective agency. Sandusky loses his keys to the PSU facilities. Sandusky's charity is informed.
The investigation into Sandusky begins in '09 and charges filed in '11.
Also note that Paterno was business partners with several board members of the Second Mile charity, engaging in real estate development projects between '02 and '09.
At a minimum, starting in 2002, Joe Paterno displayed one or more of the following:
1. Mind-numbing ignorance
2. Indifference to a predator
3. Greed
4. Conspiracy
Bottom line, there is no good outcome for Joe Paterno who even admitted as he was dying from cancer that he wished he had done more.
There is also a California University of Pennsylvania
If you are correct, and more and more evidence comes out that he knew of the atrocities of Sandusky, and did nothing......you will never again here me offer any suggestion in defense of him.
As to the older poster who shared that at that age the thought of what Sandusky did was inconceivable: My dad was 87 years old when he died, Italian like Paterno.....I know there is some truth in what the poster suggested, at least where my dad was concerned.,
The act of raping a child, of the same sex, did not compute. Anyone can mock this idea all they want, but this was a great generation, my dad's life is an incredible story, from poverty, WWII, to huge success in his life....they saw the world differently, some things were taboo to even speak of. It's just the way it was.
Ryann I don't know if your post was sincere or condescending, I am a grown man, successful in my own life. I am educated, deal with many people, and am well respected in my community and in my profession. It is not lightly that I make statements about sensitive issues such as the Penn State Scandal.
But in my world people do not speak with the crassness and ignorance that you see so often on BBI. I believe my point wasn't so much in defense of Paterno as it was a condemnation of the mob mentality often seen on this site.
But thanks for your words of caution.
, I think.
"Unlike the mob, I do not know what or when Joe Paterno knew what. I do know, that for those so inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, some evidence was put forward to put at least some doubt on his involvement."
Bullshit. He knew and did nothing about it. Nothing. How long he knew - and if the latest reports are true - is the question and it could have been DECADES.
Instead of "giving him the benefit of the doubt" - which is completely ridiculous considering that all of this happened on his watch and he had knowledge of Sandusky's actions - you should be pissed off that your hero basically allowed this to happen ruining the lives of dozens of young people and families.
Shame on you for deciding to wear blinders where you see fit as long as it benefits your beloved Penn State. Shame on you.
He knew, did the minimum, never followed up and never asked a question and for 7 years boys lives were destroyed.
That is the absolute best case you make for Joe Paterno.
If you are correct, and more and more evidence comes out that he knew of the atrocities of Sandusky, and did nothing......you will never again here me offer any suggestion in defense of him.
As to the older poster who shared that at that age the thought of what Sandusky did was inconceivable: My dad was 87 years old when he died, Italian like Paterno.....I know there is some truth in what the poster suggested, at least where my dad was concerned.,
The act of raping a child, of the same sex, did not compute. Anyone can mock this idea all they want, but this was a great generation, my dad's life is an incredible story, from poverty, WWII, to huge success in his life....they saw the world differently, some things were taboo to even speak of. It's just the way it was.
Ryann I don't know if your post was sincere or condescending, I am a grown man, successful in my own life. I am educated, deal with many people, and am well respected in my community and in my profession. It is not lightly that I make statements about sensitive issues such as the Penn State Scandal.
But in my world people do not speak with the crassness and ignorance that you see so often on BBI. I believe my point wasn't so much in defense of Paterno as it was a condemnation of the mob mentality often seen on this site.
But thanks for your words of caution.
, I think.
Joe I apppreciate your post, I understand your position.
But you being a nice guy, educated, and by all means well respected in your community, has absolutely zero to do with the fact that Joe Paterno protected a child rapist for many many years. While I appreciate your words and I'm not sure how they are relevant.
My post wasn't meant to be condescending. If me saying that people are basically too embarrassed or blind or stupid to realize the situation at hand is condescending to you, then so be it. I understand that.
For seven more years, even as they forbade Sandusky from bringing boys to the State College campus, they let him use the facilities at a satellite campus to hold summer camps for the Second Mile.
Fuck Joe Paterno, and Fuck PEDO STATE.
It blows my mind to see people still fully immersed as football fans of that school.
It's BONKERS!
Forgiving or forgetting this is a fucking joke, the school should always be lambasted for this tragedy until even the most fervent, arrogant, and ignorant PSU fanboy accept that this is a gross embarrassment and there is no defense for anyone remotely involved. Until then the taunting and hate should continue for perpetuity.
And he owned slaves.
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Paterno's defenders are of the same ilk as those that believe the moon landings were a hoax. No amount of logic will budge them.
That's his legacy.
Lol
I hope you Joe Pa supporters are proud of yourselves. I hope your dreams are forever haunted by the sounds of children being raped.
I sure look forward to Franco Harris embarrassing himself some more.
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Allegedly! Allegedly! He made thriller! He couldn't have done that!
Also chris brown is a great dancer so he didn't hit Rihanna.
Lol
However, I have mixed feelings about ending the football program. I believe it punishes the wrong people.
There is a cult of denial but that's hardly unusual. My neighbor is a great guy, a PSU alum and a local attorney. I went to a Halloween party 2 years ago and he was dressed as Paterno. A woman asked about his costume and he explained it to her. She said something to the effect of "isn't he the pervert?" Of course, he defended Paterno.
Is that true?
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that as many as 6 PSU coaches witnessed the molestation and nobody fucking did anything.
Is that true?
How do these cultists sleep at night?
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Not young boys lives destroyed by a cult skeletons, that's just penn state..