The Jets offered just one pick, their second rounder, to flip spots. It was easy to say no. If they had also offered their fourth, the Giants would have been tempted. The second round choice was not enough to drop 10 spots.
If the Giants had moved down to No. 20, they would have taken TCU receiver Josh Doctson, who went to Washington at No. 22, or the best corner remaining, likely Houston’s William Jackson III, taken by the Bengals at No. 24.
When did Treadwell go? I find it hard to believe they would have passed on him at 20 if they made the move back. That being said just a second rounder was not enough I agree. It was a late second rounder too.
Basically
Apple
Shepard
Or
Treadwell/doctson
Ragland or deoin Jones
Vonn Bell
Maybe oline help instead of LBer and then go LBer in 3rd or still goodson in 4th
And the Cowboys tried to trade up to the Jets spot Â
Having said that, for arguments sake, it's (potentially)
Eli Apple
Sterling Shepard
Or
William Jackson III
Sterling Shepard
Cody Whitehair
WTF!! I love what was behind door number two. I am so pissed I read this thread.
I like Apple a lot but I agree. Jackson, Shep, Whitehair plus all the other guys would been nice. Potential Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Whitehair-Hart? All of a sudden Paulie Walnuts, and all the other tards aren't bitching about the right side as much. That in and of itself is worth the trade.
ahead of them. Imagine if they traded down for less than the typical value? People would be going crazy. I for one admit I don't know jack about any of these players except for what I've read (as do most here if they would just admit it). Why stress over what is really to most of us second hand opinions?
The jets gave a lowball offer . At least it should have included a 2nd and a 4th.
This^^^^. And the draft value chart (IIRC) has never been readjusted for the current rookie salary slitting, which should make high draft slots even more valuable with their fixed costs.
Basically I am pleased enough they got Shepard in round 2 not to long after the extra 2 nd rounder, though I would have loved an OL like White hair, who sounds very Richburgish...
Giants have over 20 million in cap space. I'm sure they could have worked a cap friendly long term deal with him. It actually would have benefitted both teams. Jets would have gotten Tunsil and enough cap relief to sign Fitz. Giants would have gotten the 20th pick and completed a front line that would be a monster.
would have been tempted to do that deal for a second. I’m not sure I’d let the whole deal collapse for an extra fourth. Most of those picks don’t work out anyway. This draft was also very deep in the second and third rounds. Apple is enticing prospect with size, strength, and speed, but he’s also a project to some extent. William Jackson and an extra two might well have been enough for me. We also don’t know whether the Jets would have also given a sixth or a fifth.
Giants have over 20 million in cap space. I'm sure they could have worked a cap friendly long term deal with him. It actually would have benefitted both teams. Jets would have gotten Tunsil and enough cap relief to sign Fitz. Giants would have gotten the 20th pick and completed a front line that would be a monster.
Can't be a credit whore for one years s think it won't hurt shortly after.
Everyone who's yukking it up and saying we could have had Jackson III and a 4th rounder has a convenient case of 'grass is greener' - what you'd really be saying had Reese made the trade is that we took a guy who plenty had projected might last until the second round, passed on the top LT for it, and only got a 2nd rounder in return.
would have been tempted to do that deal for a second. I’m not sure I’d let the whole deal collapse for an extra fourth. Most of those picks don’t work out anyway. This draft was also very deep in the second and third rounds. Apple is enticing prospect with size, strength, and speed, but he’s also a project to some extent. William Jackson and an extra two might well have been enough for me. We also don’t know whether the Jets would have also given a sixth or a fifth.
Jets traded their 5th for Clady and I think had dealt their 6th in a separate deal. Now had they thrown in a 3 next year (which is equivalent of a 4 this year) I may have been fine with that
It will be interesting if we find out the facts of this deal. Â
While I like our draft picks, if the deal was fair it will at least shut up the people on this site that criticize the trade-down views of others. Those critics usually spout off that the "trade-down strategy requires another team willing to do it so don't blame Reese".
I do not typically advocate trading down, but I did see this year as that type of year to do it because of the shortage of impact players in the top 10 and the view that the overall roster still needs more above-average talent in numerous areas.
would have been tempted to do that deal for a second. I’m not sure I’d let the whole deal collapse for an extra fourth. Most of those picks don’t work out anyway. This draft was also very deep in the second and third rounds. Apple is enticing prospect with size, strength, and speed, but he’s also a project to some extent. William Jackson and an extra two might well have been enough for me. We also don’t know whether the Jets would have also given a sixth or a fifth.
Jets traded their 5th for Clady and I think had dealt their 6th in a separate deal. Now had they thrown in a 3 next year (which is equivalent of a 4 this year) I may have been fine with that
Thanks. I still might have done it for just a two, because it is another high round pick. I also never thought there was much of a difference between #10 and #20.
would have been tempted to do that deal for a second. I’m not sure I’d let the whole deal collapse for an extra fourth. Most of those picks don’t work out anyway. This draft was also very deep in the second and third rounds. Apple is enticing prospect with size, strength, and speed, but he’s also a project to some extent. William Jackson and an extra two might well have been enough for me. We also don’t know whether the Jets would have also given a sixth or a fifth.
Jets traded their 5th for Clady and I think had dealt their 6th in a separate deal. Now had they thrown in a 3 next year (which is equivalent of a 4 this year) I may have been fine with that
Thanks. I still might have done it for just a two, because it is another high round pick. I also never thought there was much of a difference between #10 and #20.
I agree not much of a difference between 10 and 20, but who would have been available in Round 2 is a bit of 20-20 hindsight. There were a few players drafted in early Round 2 that weren't expected to go that high that pushed better guys to where the Jets picked Hackenberg. Also, if the Giants don't take Apple maybe the whole first round plays out vastly different, especially if Miami didn't like Hargreaves, and so guys that actually ended up being available at 20 and 51 would not be
saying we could have had X player later with our pick just isn't accurate. There is absolutely no way to determine definitively how the draft plays out if the Jets trade up to 10.
It appears hopeless for some to figure out how the Giants draft by committee and how influential Mara is.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
RE: of course the whole draft plays out differently Â
saying we could have had X player later with our pick just isn't accurate. There is absolutely no way to determine definitively how the draft plays out if the Jets trade up to 10.
We got low balled and we said no thanks.
Exactly.
RE: RE: of course the whole draft plays out differently Â
saying we could have had X player later with our pick just isn't accurate. There is absolutely no way to determine definitively how the draft plays out if the Jets trade up to 10.
We got low balled and we said no thanks.
Exactly.
Its as if people forgot that the Titans had the #1 overall pick just a month or so ago. Whoever they take at 1 changes the entire draft, literally, especially since it couldn't have been a QB.
Had they not gotten a suitor they likely pick Ramsay since I would imagine Tunsil goes off their board to when the video came out. Then what happens?
It appears hopeless for some to figure out how the Giants draft by committee and how influential Mara is.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
It appears hopeless for some to figure out how the Giants draft by committee and how influential Mara is.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
Why is your first reaction to insult or name call every single poster who disagrees with you? I'm curious if you can answer that question without again doing so, but I have my doubts.
Because he built the teams that won two Super Bowls.
Next stupid question?
Don't understand all the pom pom waving on this board. Ernie Accorsi built the foundation on both those teams.
Of course *you* don't understand it, I'd be surprised if you can figure out how to tell time. Anyone who does understand basic football saw the difference between Accorsi's tenure without Reese at the top spot, and how it turned after Reese got promoted and eventually took over.
Should have done the trade. Unless Apple turns out to be a great player, pretty obvious. I supported Reese for a long time but the lack of talent has been obvious and he is responsible for that. And he was responsible for two SBs? Really?
Should have done the trade. Unless Apple turns out to be a great player, pretty obvious. I supported Reese for a long time but the lack of talent has been obvious and he is responsible for that. And he was responsible for two SBs? Really?
Well by that line of thinking wouldn't we also have to wait and see if whoever we took in the trade down would also be a good player before saying its a good move?
This has nothing to do with being an apologist. If an article came out about the Texans offering a 2nd to the Bucs to move up to 11 for Hargreaves and the Bucs balked, I'd say good for them too, just not enough in that deal to lose out on what should be the better, higher rated player.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
Why is your first reaction to insult or name call every single poster who disagrees with you? I'm curious if you can answer that question without again doing so, but I have my doubts.
Why do you lurk and follow me and refuse to respond to 99% of my posts and then suddenly appear with material which not only has zero to do with the topic yet refuses to read what I'm responding too? If somebody calls you a troll and you respond should i step in and ask you the same question? Do you have any opinion on the topic? Do you believe it's all Jerry Reese in a room making all the decisions and the rest of the Giants hierarchy, including Mara, have been lying to us through the media?
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
Why is your first reaction to insult or name call every single poster who disagrees with you? I'm curious if you can answer that question without again doing so, but I have my doubts.
Why do you lurk and follow me and refuse to respond to 99% of my posts and then suddenly appear with material which not only has zero to do with the topic yet refuses to read what I'm responding too? If somebody calls you a troll and you respond should i step in and ask you the same question? Do you have any opinion on the topic? Do you believe it's all Jerry Reese in a room making all the decisions and the rest of the Giants hierarchy, including Mara, have been lying to us through the media?
Look up, i've posted my thoughts on this a few different times, read the thread. I'm also not following anyone, I posted here before you did. I called you out for your non stop insults and I've done it to other posters as well. Its tiresome.
As for your specific question, no I don't think Reese is in a room by himself, no GM is. But he has a very specific job and its one that is virtually pointless if he needs to get approval from everyone before pulling the trigger. What's the point of having a GM then? (this is a question for any team not just the Giants).
As for your specific question, no I don't think Reese is in a room by himself, no GM is. But he has a very specific job and its one that is virtually pointless if he needs to get approval from everyone before pulling the trigger. What's the point of having a GM then? (this is a question for any team not just the Giants).
How many teams have outwardly claimed on video they vote by committee for their draft choices?
How many owners outwardly state they did not like the free agent market like Mara did last year?
How many General Managers calling all the shots survive this many losing seasons in a row?
So you ask, what's the point of having a GM then? Based on all the evidence it's pretty clear his role isn't of the typical GM. Now if somebody chimes in with an insult and i respond I'm wondering if you'll stay on topic or just focus on the response despite claims of this being tiresome.
tampa was going to draft apple over hargreaves too,apple is the 2nd ranked CB in the draft behind ramsey,taller and faster than any of the other CB behind him too. all apples problems are coaching and technique they believe they can clean those issues with coaching but you cant coach a slower/shorter player to be taller and faster!
20 was too great a drop the payoff would need to have been high to make up for that obviously what the jets offered wasnt good enough
still surprised the jets didnt trade wilkerson for picks with either cleveland,jacksonville or the titans who all had extra picks and needs at DE
they really cant afford the tag on wilkerson he could end up getting cut instead. has he signed his tender already? after what happened with norman could happen again there too if he hasnt
you were an embarrassment on that. Insulted and and everyone who disagrees with you.
Enjoy your day.
Perfect example of you being a hypocrite. . I expressed an opinion by asking what happened at #10 as did the majority of posters, media, etc. Your type lurks and chimes with the typical insults and then claims innocence. What a hypocrite.
This information is a little painful to me because Â
you were an embarrassment on that. Insulted and and everyone who disagrees with you.
Enjoy your day.
Perfect example of you being a hypocrite. . I expressed an opinion by asking what happened at #10 as did the majority of posters, media, etc. Your type lurks and chimes with the typical insults and then claims innocence. What a hypocrite.
You embarrassed yourself in that thread. If that's an insult than I apologize. If the above is on the same level of calling people stupid because of the name of their school in their handle then yes, I am a hypocrite.
I'll refrain from interacting with you ever again on BBI from this point moving forward.
20 was too far to go in this mediocre 1st Round... Â
1) I've been curious who the trade down was with and still very curious about the specifics.
and
2) I would have preferred to trade down and get Darren Lee (who Jets selected) and another pick than take Eli Apple.
Again, as always, I'm very aware that they get paid to do this and I don't so it's not a complaint. I hope Eli turns out to be a beast at CB.
Forgot to mention that I guess that would have made my picks (if it was for Jets 2nd rounder);
Darren Lee
Sterling Sheppard
Cody Whitehair
Admittedly that's also hindsight. For clarity sake, here are the players that were selected at and after Jet's 2nd round pick (players still available in the 2nd round);
QB Christian Hackenberg, Penn State
LB Deion Jones, LSU
LB Su'a Cravens, USA
CB Mackensie Alexander, Clemson (Need option)
WR Tyler Boyd, Pittsburgh
G Cody Whitehair, Kansas State (Need option)
CB T.J. Green, Clemson
DB Sean Davis, Maryland
PK Roberto Aguayo
DB Cyrus Jones, Alabama
Safety Vonn Bell, Ohio State (Need option)
CB James Bradberry, Samford
DT Adam Gotsis, Georgia Tech
Should have done the trade. Unless Apple turns out to be a great player, pretty obvious. I supported Reese for a long time but the lack of talent has been obvious and he is responsible for that. And he was responsible for two SBs? Really?
Do you happen to sell automobiles? Here's why I ask. I really like the Aston Martin Vanquish. It's really nice, fast and the chicks dig it. I'll give you $25,000 for it delivered. With the mentality of I'll trade down with poor value, you'll sell me a high end luxury auto for cheap...So I want to buy a car from you
turns out a poor pick(coincidental pun), it would be back enough to have a poor season that gives you the 10 in the first place,and your pick maybe isnt that good(I think he will be), but to have accepted that deal would have been the trifecta of bad, for all the 'suck' it already took to be at 10. It had to have included a 2, and a 3, or at list their 2 in 16 AND 17.
Plus you really shake up the draft, and in a draft that had lots of 2nd rd talent in at after 12-15, staying pat was best.
How about looking at the 2 players you got versus the three you could have had.
Myles Jack
Sterling Shepherd
Vonn Bell
Who would sign up for that?
How do you know Jack was still on their board and if so the value they placed on him? Why do you think they wanted Bell? Apparently they didn't like the value of what was on the board further down. They also didn't seem to feel Jack was worth the risk
topic people will use to question the decision making. Hell, you have the term "Reese Apologists" thrown out here as if there needs to be a defense about not getting fleeced in the deal.
Knowing what we know now about the draft, which is we know relatively jack shit about how the players drafted will perform, people would be using "the chart" to call Reese a fucking idiot for taking a deal that is poor value.
They would lament the #20 pick and go on about some other player we could have had at #10, and they would complain loudly that we only got a #2 to get a mid-tier piece of shit in the 1st.
That's the way evaluating the GM goes around here.
topic people will use to question the decision making. Hell, you have the term "Reese Apologists" thrown out here as if there needs to be a defense about not getting fleeced in the deal.
Knowing what we know now about the draft, which is we know relatively jack shit about how the players drafted will perform, people would be using "the chart" to call Reese a fucking idiot for taking a deal that is poor value.
They would lament the #20 pick and go on about some other player we could have had at #10, and they would complain loudly that we only got a #2 to get a mid-tier piece of shit in the 1st.
That's the way evaluating the GM goes around here.
Well then, perhaps Coach Mason's (Jersey Joe) thread will provide some comfort? Link - ( New Window )
"Reese should have traded down" if a) you don't know what the terms of the trade were, b) you don't know who they would have selected and c) we don't know if Apple, or any of the other players they could have theoretically gotten in the trade are even fucking good yet!! Apple could be Darrelle Revis for all we know. He could also suck. "We should have traded back for Darron Lee." Ok cool but like...again. He might not be good.
I posted a Mock with a Tradedown with the Jets for
there 1st 2nd and Third
#20 Doctson WR
#40 Ogbah DE
#51 Spriggs OT
#71 Green FS
#83 Howard DB
#106 Ridgeway DT
Rnd 5 Marshal RB
Rnd 6 McGee TE
So remove Howard since the Jets only offered there #2
Take Goodson at #106
I think my draft would have been excellent .
We took a ScatBack and TE at 5 and 6
took a safety at #3 My I initial pick at one
while we were on the clock was Hargreaves
not to bad but I know I'm not a Member of
the BBI Circle so my Mock thread was ignored
Good Day Sir
Just another layer of pressure for Reese. Apple better be the goods, and the Giants better have more than 6 wins, or the water that Reese is in will get a lot hotter.
"Reese should have traded down" if a) you don't know what the terms of the trade were, b) you don't know who they would have selected and c) we don't know if Apple, or any of the other players they could have theoretically gotten in the trade are even fucking good yet!! Apple could be Darrelle Revis for all we know. He could also suck. "We should have traded back for Darron Lee." Ok cool but like...again. He might not be good.
Since I'm the only one that that said "I" (not "we should have" or "Reese should have") would have traded down for Lee I am assuming you are referring to me. I will say again, to clarify, "I" would have traded down to get Lee. I also admitted that a)"I" don't get paid to do this, b) "I" have the benefit of hindsight, c)"I" am not complaining about what they did do, and d) "I" don't know what the deal was for (my recommendation came after assuming we got an extra 2nd rounder and stated so).
I never said Reese should have traded down. There is a difference. This is a football forum. I just thought I would share what I would have done instead of Reese. I hope to remember this and come back to it. I wonder what kind of players Apple, Lee, and Whitehead will all be 2 years from now.
The Jests didn't want to pay equal value. End of story. Â
How about looking at the 2 players you got versus the three you could have had.
Myles Jack
Sterling Shepherd
Vonn Bell
Who would sign up for that?
It amazes me that despite the every asshat and beat reporter telling us that Jack was off our board, and despite us passing on him at #12, some knuckleheads here are still yapping on about Myles Jack.
If the Giants had moved down to No. 20, they would have taken TCU receiver Josh Doctson, who went to Washington at No. 22, or the best corner remaining, likely Houston’s William Jackson III, taken by the Bengals at No. 24.
Link - ( New Window )
Basically
Apple
Shepard
Or
Treadwell/doctson
Ragland or deoin Jones
Vonn Bell
Maybe oline help instead of LBer and then go LBer in 3rd or still goodson in 4th
Eli Apple
Sterling Shepard
Or
William Jackson III
Sterling Shepard
Cody Whitehair
Eli Apple
Sterling Shepard
Or
William Jackson III
Sterling Shepard
Cody Whitehair
They liked vonn Bell I'm gonna say
Jackson
Shepard
Bell
They tool a FSS in third so they felt strongly about it. Bell has good range he prob would have been the second second rounder.
I would've done that and drafted Josh Doctson or Laquon Treadwell at #20 like I did in my mock.
Eli Apple
Sterling Shepard
Or
William Jackson III
Sterling Shepard
Cody Whitehair
WTF!! I love what was behind door number two. I am so pissed I read this thread.
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Having said that, for arguments sake, it's (potentially)
Eli Apple
Sterling Shepard
Or
William Jackson III
Sterling Shepard
Cody Whitehair
WTF!! I love what was behind door number two. I am so pissed I read this thread.
I like Apple a lot but I agree. Jackson, Shep, Whitehair plus all the other guys would been nice. Potential Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Whitehair-Hart? All of a sudden Paulie Walnuts, and all the other tards aren't bitching about the right side as much. That in and of itself is worth the trade.
I think we did alright in the draft. Whitehair is a guard anyway. We already have all pro John Jerry...
Ugh.....once again HOW DO YOU PAY FOR HIM?
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switched firsts with them for Mo Wilkerson.
Ugh.....once again HOW DO YOU PAY FOR HIM?
with money?............
This^^^^. And the draft value chart (IIRC) has never been readjusted for the current rookie salary slitting, which should make high draft slots even more valuable with their fixed costs.
Basically I am pleased enough they got Shepard in round 2 not to long after the extra 2 nd rounder, though I would have loved an OL like White hair, who sounds very Richburgish...
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switched firsts with them for Mo Wilkerson.
Ugh.....once again HOW DO YOU PAY FOR HIM?
with money?............
Giants have over 20 million in cap space. I'm sure they could have worked a cap friendly long term deal with him. It actually would have benefitted both teams. Jets would have gotten Tunsil and enough cap relief to sign Fitz. Giants would have gotten the 20th pick and completed a front line that would be a monster.
Ugh.....once again HOW DO YOU PAY FOR HIM?
with money?............
Giants have over 20 million in cap space. I'm sure they could have worked a cap friendly long term deal with him. It actually would have benefitted both teams. Jets would have gotten Tunsil and enough cap relief to sign Fitz. Giants would have gotten the 20th pick and completed a front line that would be a monster.
Can't be a credit whore for one years s think it won't hurt shortly after.
Who next, ISIS??
Jets traded their 5th for Clady and I think had dealt their 6th in a separate deal. Now had they thrown in a 3 next year (which is equivalent of a 4 this year) I may have been fine with that
I do not typically advocate trading down, but I did see this year as that type of year to do it because of the shortage of impact players in the top 10 and the view that the overall roster still needs more above-average talent in numerous areas.
Because he built the teams that won two Super Bowls.
Next stupid question?
But I'm not disappointed with what we got.
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would have been tempted to do that deal for a second. I’m not sure I’d let the whole deal collapse for an extra fourth. Most of those picks don’t work out anyway. This draft was also very deep in the second and third rounds. Apple is enticing prospect with size, strength, and speed, but he’s also a project to some extent. William Jackson and an extra two might well have been enough for me. We also don’t know whether the Jets would have also given a sixth or a fifth.
Jets traded their 5th for Clady and I think had dealt their 6th in a separate deal. Now had they thrown in a 3 next year (which is equivalent of a 4 this year) I may have been fine with that
Thanks. I still might have done it for just a two, because it is another high round pick. I also never thought there was much of a difference between #10 and #20.
1st Treadwell WR
2nd Springs T
2nd Mackensie CB
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would have been tempted to do that deal for a second. I’m not sure I’d let the whole deal collapse for an extra fourth. Most of those picks don’t work out anyway. This draft was also very deep in the second and third rounds. Apple is enticing prospect with size, strength, and speed, but he’s also a project to some extent. William Jackson and an extra two might well have been enough for me. We also don’t know whether the Jets would have also given a sixth or a fifth.
Jets traded their 5th for Clady and I think had dealt their 6th in a separate deal. Now had they thrown in a 3 next year (which is equivalent of a 4 this year) I may have been fine with that
Thanks. I still might have done it for just a two, because it is another high round pick. I also never thought there was much of a difference between #10 and #20.
I agree not much of a difference between 10 and 20, but who would have been available in Round 2 is a bit of 20-20 hindsight. There were a few players drafted in early Round 2 that weren't expected to go that high that pushed better guys to where the Jets picked Hackenberg. Also, if the Giants don't take Apple maybe the whole first round plays out vastly different, especially if Miami didn't like Hargreaves, and so guys that actually ended up being available at 20 and 51 would not be
It appears hopeless for some to figure out how the Giants draft by committee and how influential Mara is.
We got low balled and we said no thanks.
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still have this job?
It appears hopeless for some to figure out how the Giants draft by committee and how influential Mara is.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
We got low balled and we said no thanks.
Exactly.
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saying we could have had X player later with our pick just isn't accurate. There is absolutely no way to determine definitively how the draft plays out if the Jets trade up to 10.
We got low balled and we said no thanks.
Exactly.
Its as if people forgot that the Titans had the #1 overall pick just a month or so ago. Whoever they take at 1 changes the entire draft, literally, especially since it couldn't have been a QB.
Had they not gotten a suitor they likely pick Ramsay since I would imagine Tunsil goes off their board to when the video came out. Then what happens?
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still have this job?
It appears hopeless for some to figure out how the Giants draft by committee and how influential Mara is.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
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still have this job?
Because he built the teams that won two Super Bowls.
Next stupid question?
Don't understand all the pom pom waving on this board. Ernie Accorsi built the foundation on both those teams.
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In comment 12947659 Mendenhall said:
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still have this job?
It appears hopeless for some to figure out how the Giants draft by committee and how influential Mara is.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
Why is your first reaction to insult or name call every single poster who disagrees with you? I'm curious if you can answer that question without again doing so, but I have my doubts.
To move up 10 spots, should have been two picks, likely a #2 and #4.
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still have this job?
Because he built the teams that won two Super Bowls.
Next stupid question?
Don't understand all the pom pom waving on this board. Ernie Accorsi built the foundation on both those teams.
Of course *you* don't understand it, I'd be surprised if you can figure out how to tell time. Anyone who does understand basic football saw the difference between Accorsi's tenure without Reese at the top spot, and how it turned after Reese got promoted and eventually took over.
Would we be Best Buy apologists if we laughed when told somebody paid $10,000 for a Soda Stream?
Well by that line of thinking wouldn't we also have to wait and see if whoever we took in the trade down would also be a good player before saying its a good move?
This has nothing to do with being an apologist. If an article came out about the Texans offering a 2nd to the Bucs to move up to 11 for Hargreaves and the Bucs balked, I'd say good for them too, just not enough in that deal to lose out on what should be the better, higher rated player.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
Why is your first reaction to insult or name call every single poster who disagrees with you? I'm curious if you can answer that question without again doing so, but I have my doubts.
Why do you lurk and follow me and refuse to respond to 99% of my posts and then suddenly appear with material which not only has zero to do with the topic yet refuses to read what I'm responding too? If somebody calls you a troll and you respond should i step in and ask you the same question? Do you have any opinion on the topic? Do you believe it's all Jerry Reese in a room making all the decisions and the rest of the Giants hierarchy, including Mara, have been lying to us through the media?
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Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
Why is your first reaction to insult or name call every single poster who disagrees with you? I'm curious if you can answer that question without again doing so, but I have my doubts.
Why do you lurk and follow me and refuse to respond to 99% of my posts and then suddenly appear with material which not only has zero to do with the topic yet refuses to read what I'm responding too? If somebody calls you a troll and you respond should i step in and ask you the same question? Do you have any opinion on the topic? Do you believe it's all Jerry Reese in a room making all the decisions and the rest of the Giants hierarchy, including Mara, have been lying to us through the media?
Look up, i've posted my thoughts on this a few different times, read the thread. I'm also not following anyone, I posted here before you did. I called you out for your non stop insults and I've done it to other posters as well. Its tiresome.
As for your specific question, no I don't think Reese is in a room by himself, no GM is. But he has a very specific job and its one that is virtually pointless if he needs to get approval from everyone before pulling the trigger. What's the point of having a GM then? (this is a question for any team not just the Giants).
In fact,we should trade up to the top of the draft every year.
As for your specific question, no I don't think Reese is in a room by himself, no GM is. But he has a very specific job and its one that is virtually pointless if he needs to get approval from everyone before pulling the trigger. What's the point of having a GM then? (this is a question for any team not just the Giants).
How many teams have outwardly claimed on video they vote by committee for their draft choices?
How many owners outwardly state they did not like the free agent market like Mara did last year?
How many General Managers calling all the shots survive this many losing seasons in a row?
So you ask, what's the point of having a GM then? Based on all the evidence it's pretty clear his role isn't of the typical GM. Now if somebody chimes in with an insult and i respond I'm wondering if you'll stay on topic or just focus on the response despite claims of this being tiresome.
20 was too great a drop the payoff would need to have been high to make up for that obviously what the jets offered wasnt good enough
still surprised the jets didnt trade wilkerson for picks with either cleveland,jacksonville or the titans who all had extra picks and needs at DE
they really cant afford the tag on wilkerson he could end up getting cut instead. has he signed his tender already? after what happened with norman could happen again there too if he hasnt
Enjoy your day.
Enjoy your day.
Perfect example of you being a hypocrite. . I expressed an opinion by asking what happened at #10 as did the majority of posters, media, etc. Your type lurks and chimes with the typical insults and then claims innocence. What a hypocrite.
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2) I would have preferred to trade down and get Darren Lee (who Jets selected) and another pick than take Eli Apple.
Again, as always, I'm very aware that they get paid to do this and I don't so it's not a complaint. I hope Eli turns out to be a beast at CB.
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you were an embarrassment on that. Insulted and and everyone who disagrees with you.
Enjoy your day.
Perfect example of you being a hypocrite. . I expressed an opinion by asking what happened at #10 as did the majority of posters, media, etc. Your type lurks and chimes with the typical insults and then claims innocence. What a hypocrite.
You embarrassed yourself in that thread. If that's an insult than I apologize. If the above is on the same level of calling people stupid because of the name of their school in their handle then yes, I am a hypocrite.
I'll refrain from interacting with you ever again on BBI from this point moving forward.
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2) I would have preferred to trade down and get Darren Lee (who Jets selected) and another pick than take Eli Apple.
Again, as always, I'm very aware that they get paid to do this and I don't so it's not a complaint. I hope Eli turns out to be a beast at CB.
Forgot to mention that I guess that would have made my picks (if it was for Jets 2nd rounder);
Darren Lee
Sterling Sheppard
Cody Whitehair
Admittedly that's also hindsight. For clarity sake, here are the players that were selected at and after Jet's 2nd round pick (players still available in the 2nd round);
QB Christian Hackenberg, Penn State
LB Deion Jones, LSU
LB Su'a Cravens, USA
CB Mackensie Alexander, Clemson (Need option)
WR Tyler Boyd, Pittsburgh
G Cody Whitehair, Kansas State (Need option)
CB T.J. Green, Clemson
DB Sean Davis, Maryland
PK Roberto Aguayo
DB Cyrus Jones, Alabama
Safety Vonn Bell, Ohio State (Need option)
CB James Bradberry, Samford
DT Adam Gotsis, Georgia Tech
Do you happen to sell automobiles? Here's why I ask. I really like the Aston Martin Vanquish. It's really nice, fast and the chicks dig it. I'll give you $25,000 for it delivered. With the mentality of I'll trade down with poor value, you'll sell me a high end luxury auto for cheap...So I want to buy a car from you
Plus you really shake up the draft, and in a draft that had lots of 2nd rd talent in at after 12-15, staying pat was best.
How about looking at the 2 players you got versus the three you could have had.
Myles Jack
Sterling Shepherd
Vonn Bell
Who would sign up for that?
How about looking at the 2 players you got versus the three you could have had.
Myles Jack
Sterling Shepherd
Vonn Bell
Who would sign up for that?
How do you know Jack was still on their board and if so the value they placed on him? Why do you think they wanted Bell? Apparently they didn't like the value of what was on the board further down. They also didn't seem to feel Jack was worth the risk
Knowing what we know now about the draft, which is we know relatively jack shit about how the players drafted will perform, people would be using "the chart" to call Reese a fucking idiot for taking a deal that is poor value.
They would lament the #20 pick and go on about some other player we could have had at #10, and they would complain loudly that we only got a #2 to get a mid-tier piece of shit in the 1st.
That's the way evaluating the GM goes around here.
Knowing what we know now about the draft, which is we know relatively jack shit about how the players drafted will perform, people would be using "the chart" to call Reese a fucking idiot for taking a deal that is poor value.
They would lament the #20 pick and go on about some other player we could have had at #10, and they would complain loudly that we only got a #2 to get a mid-tier piece of shit in the 1st.
That's the way evaluating the GM goes around here.
Well then, perhaps Coach Mason's (Jersey Joe) thread will provide some comfort?
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there 1st 2nd and Third
#20 Doctson WR
#40 Ogbah DE
#51 Spriggs OT
#71 Green FS
#83 Howard DB
#106 Ridgeway DT
Rnd 5 Marshal RB
Rnd 6 McGee TE
So remove Howard since the Jets only offered there #2
Take Goodson at #106
I think my draft would have been excellent .
We took a ScatBack and TE at 5 and 6
took a safety at #3 My I initial pick at one
while we were on the clock was Hargreaves
not to bad but I know I'm not a Member of
the BBI Circle so my Mock thread was ignored
Good Day Sir
Eli Apple
Sterling Shepard
Or
William Jackson III
Sterling Shepard
Cody Whitehair
The three players obviously
Since I'm the only one that that said "I" (not "we should have" or "Reese should have") would have traded down for Lee I am assuming you are referring to me. I will say again, to clarify, "I" would have traded down to get Lee. I also admitted that a)"I" don't get paid to do this, b) "I" have the benefit of hindsight, c)"I" am not complaining about what they did do, and d) "I" don't know what the deal was for (my recommendation came after assuming we got an extra 2nd rounder and stated so).
I never said Reese should have traded down. There is a difference. This is a football forum. I just thought I would share what I would have done instead of Reese. I hope to remember this and come back to it. I wonder what kind of players Apple, Lee, and Whitehead will all be 2 years from now.
I have been as critical of Reese as anyone, but some of the stuff here is grossly unfair. Reese was right to say no.
I like Oreos
CB Apple- WR Shepard- FS Thompson-MLB Goodson-RB Perkins-TE Adams
With the trade they could have gotten:
WR Lee (4.4 40 LB)/Doctson/Treadwell-Shepard/ MLB Ragland- G Cody Whitehair/Carl Nassib/Bullard/ Kaufusi - FS Thompson- BJ Goodson/CB Juston Burris-RB Perkins- TE Adams
The last team we should be taking draft lessons from is the Jests.
How about looking at the 2 players you got versus the three you could have had.
Myles Jack
Sterling Shepherd
Vonn Bell
Who would sign up for that?
It amazes me that despite the every asshat and beat reporter telling us that Jack was off our board, and despite us passing on him at #12, some knuckleheads here are still yapping on about Myles Jack.
Have you just crawled out from under a rock?