The Jets offered just one pick, their second rounder, to flip spots. It was easy to say no. If they had also offered their fourth, the Giants would have been tempted. The second round choice was not enough to drop 10 spots.
If the Giants had moved down to No. 20, they would have taken TCU receiver Josh Doctson, who went to Washington at No. 22, or the best corner remaining, likely Houston’s William Jackson III, taken by the Bengals at No. 24.
When did Treadwell go? I find it hard to believe they would have passed on him at 20 if they made the move back. That being said just a second rounder was not enough I agree. It was a late second rounder too.
Basically
Apple
Shepard
Or
Treadwell/doctson
Ragland or deoin Jones
Vonn Bell
Maybe oline help instead of LBer and then go LBer in 3rd or still goodson in 4th
And the Cowboys tried to trade up to the Jets spot Â
Having said that, for arguments sake, it's (potentially)
Eli Apple
Sterling Shepard
Or
William Jackson III
Sterling Shepard
Cody Whitehair
WTF!! I love what was behind door number two. I am so pissed I read this thread.
I like Apple a lot but I agree. Jackson, Shep, Whitehair plus all the other guys would been nice. Potential Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Whitehair-Hart? All of a sudden Paulie Walnuts, and all the other tards aren't bitching about the right side as much. That in and of itself is worth the trade.
ahead of them. Imagine if they traded down for less than the typical value? People would be going crazy. I for one admit I don't know jack about any of these players except for what I've read (as do most here if they would just admit it). Why stress over what is really to most of us second hand opinions?
The jets gave a lowball offer . At least it should have included a 2nd and a 4th.
This^^^^. And the draft value chart (IIRC) has never been readjusted for the current rookie salary slitting, which should make high draft slots even more valuable with their fixed costs.
Basically I am pleased enough they got Shepard in round 2 not to long after the extra 2 nd rounder, though I would have loved an OL like White hair, who sounds very Richburgish...
Giants have over 20 million in cap space. I'm sure they could have worked a cap friendly long term deal with him. It actually would have benefitted both teams. Jets would have gotten Tunsil and enough cap relief to sign Fitz. Giants would have gotten the 20th pick and completed a front line that would be a monster.
would have been tempted to do that deal for a second. I’m not sure I’d let the whole deal collapse for an extra fourth. Most of those picks don’t work out anyway. This draft was also very deep in the second and third rounds. Apple is enticing prospect with size, strength, and speed, but he’s also a project to some extent. William Jackson and an extra two might well have been enough for me. We also don’t know whether the Jets would have also given a sixth or a fifth.
Giants have over 20 million in cap space. I'm sure they could have worked a cap friendly long term deal with him. It actually would have benefitted both teams. Jets would have gotten Tunsil and enough cap relief to sign Fitz. Giants would have gotten the 20th pick and completed a front line that would be a monster.
Can't be a credit whore for one years s think it won't hurt shortly after.
Everyone who's yukking it up and saying we could have had Jackson III and a 4th rounder has a convenient case of 'grass is greener' - what you'd really be saying had Reese made the trade is that we took a guy who plenty had projected might last until the second round, passed on the top LT for it, and only got a 2nd rounder in return.
would have been tempted to do that deal for a second. I’m not sure I’d let the whole deal collapse for an extra fourth. Most of those picks don’t work out anyway. This draft was also very deep in the second and third rounds. Apple is enticing prospect with size, strength, and speed, but he’s also a project to some extent. William Jackson and an extra two might well have been enough for me. We also don’t know whether the Jets would have also given a sixth or a fifth.
Jets traded their 5th for Clady and I think had dealt their 6th in a separate deal. Now had they thrown in a 3 next year (which is equivalent of a 4 this year) I may have been fine with that
It will be interesting if we find out the facts of this deal. Â
While I like our draft picks, if the deal was fair it will at least shut up the people on this site that criticize the trade-down views of others. Those critics usually spout off that the "trade-down strategy requires another team willing to do it so don't blame Reese".
I do not typically advocate trading down, but I did see this year as that type of year to do it because of the shortage of impact players in the top 10 and the view that the overall roster still needs more above-average talent in numerous areas.
would have been tempted to do that deal for a second. I’m not sure I’d let the whole deal collapse for an extra fourth. Most of those picks don’t work out anyway. This draft was also very deep in the second and third rounds. Apple is enticing prospect with size, strength, and speed, but he’s also a project to some extent. William Jackson and an extra two might well have been enough for me. We also don’t know whether the Jets would have also given a sixth or a fifth.
Jets traded their 5th for Clady and I think had dealt their 6th in a separate deal. Now had they thrown in a 3 next year (which is equivalent of a 4 this year) I may have been fine with that
Thanks. I still might have done it for just a two, because it is another high round pick. I also never thought there was much of a difference between #10 and #20.
would have been tempted to do that deal for a second. I’m not sure I’d let the whole deal collapse for an extra fourth. Most of those picks don’t work out anyway. This draft was also very deep in the second and third rounds. Apple is enticing prospect with size, strength, and speed, but he’s also a project to some extent. William Jackson and an extra two might well have been enough for me. We also don’t know whether the Jets would have also given a sixth or a fifth.
Jets traded their 5th for Clady and I think had dealt their 6th in a separate deal. Now had they thrown in a 3 next year (which is equivalent of a 4 this year) I may have been fine with that
Thanks. I still might have done it for just a two, because it is another high round pick. I also never thought there was much of a difference between #10 and #20.
I agree not much of a difference between 10 and 20, but who would have been available in Round 2 is a bit of 20-20 hindsight. There were a few players drafted in early Round 2 that weren't expected to go that high that pushed better guys to where the Jets picked Hackenberg. Also, if the Giants don't take Apple maybe the whole first round plays out vastly different, especially if Miami didn't like Hargreaves, and so guys that actually ended up being available at 20 and 51 would not be
saying we could have had X player later with our pick just isn't accurate. There is absolutely no way to determine definitively how the draft plays out if the Jets trade up to 10.
It appears hopeless for some to figure out how the Giants draft by committee and how influential Mara is.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
RE: of course the whole draft plays out differently Â
saying we could have had X player later with our pick just isn't accurate. There is absolutely no way to determine definitively how the draft plays out if the Jets trade up to 10.
We got low balled and we said no thanks.
Exactly.
RE: RE: of course the whole draft plays out differently Â
saying we could have had X player later with our pick just isn't accurate. There is absolutely no way to determine definitively how the draft plays out if the Jets trade up to 10.
We got low balled and we said no thanks.
Exactly.
Its as if people forgot that the Titans had the #1 overall pick just a month or so ago. Whoever they take at 1 changes the entire draft, literally, especially since it couldn't have been a QB.
Had they not gotten a suitor they likely pick Ramsay since I would imagine Tunsil goes off their board to when the video came out. Then what happens?
It appears hopeless for some to figure out how the Giants draft by committee and how influential Mara is.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
It appears hopeless for some to figure out how the Giants draft by committee and how influential Mara is.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
Why is your first reaction to insult or name call every single poster who disagrees with you? I'm curious if you can answer that question without again doing so, but I have my doubts.
Because he built the teams that won two Super Bowls.
Next stupid question?
Don't understand all the pom pom waving on this board. Ernie Accorsi built the foundation on both those teams.
Of course *you* don't understand it, I'd be surprised if you can figure out how to tell time. Anyone who does understand basic football saw the difference between Accorsi's tenure without Reese at the top spot, and how it turned after Reese got promoted and eventually took over.
Should have done the trade. Unless Apple turns out to be a great player, pretty obvious. I supported Reese for a long time but the lack of talent has been obvious and he is responsible for that. And he was responsible for two SBs? Really?
Should have done the trade. Unless Apple turns out to be a great player, pretty obvious. I supported Reese for a long time but the lack of talent has been obvious and he is responsible for that. And he was responsible for two SBs? Really?
Well by that line of thinking wouldn't we also have to wait and see if whoever we took in the trade down would also be a good player before saying its a good move?
This has nothing to do with being an apologist. If an article came out about the Texans offering a 2nd to the Bucs to move up to 11 for Hargreaves and the Bucs balked, I'd say good for them too, just not enough in that deal to lose out on what should be the better, higher rated player.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
Why is your first reaction to insult or name call every single poster who disagrees with you? I'm curious if you can answer that question without again doing so, but I have my doubts.
Why do you lurk and follow me and refuse to respond to 99% of my posts and then suddenly appear with material which not only has zero to do with the topic yet refuses to read what I'm responding too? If somebody calls you a troll and you respond should i step in and ask you the same question? Do you have any opinion on the topic? Do you believe it's all Jerry Reese in a room making all the decisions and the rest of the Giants hierarchy, including Mara, have been lying to us through the media?
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
Why is your first reaction to insult or name call every single poster who disagrees with you? I'm curious if you can answer that question without again doing so, but I have my doubts.
Why do you lurk and follow me and refuse to respond to 99% of my posts and then suddenly appear with material which not only has zero to do with the topic yet refuses to read what I'm responding too? If somebody calls you a troll and you respond should i step in and ask you the same question? Do you have any opinion on the topic? Do you believe it's all Jerry Reese in a room making all the decisions and the rest of the Giants hierarchy, including Mara, have been lying to us through the media?
Look up, i've posted my thoughts on this a few different times, read the thread. I'm also not following anyone, I posted here before you did. I called you out for your non stop insults and I've done it to other posters as well. Its tiresome.
As for your specific question, no I don't think Reese is in a room by himself, no GM is. But he has a very specific job and its one that is virtually pointless if he needs to get approval from everyone before pulling the trigger. What's the point of having a GM then? (this is a question for any team not just the Giants).
If the Giants had moved down to No. 20, they would have taken TCU receiver Josh Doctson, who went to Washington at No. 22, or the best corner remaining, likely Houston’s William Jackson III, taken by the Bengals at No. 24.
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Basically
Apple
Shepard
Or
Treadwell/doctson
Ragland or deoin Jones
Vonn Bell
Maybe oline help instead of LBer and then go LBer in 3rd or still goodson in 4th
Eli Apple
Sterling Shepard
Or
William Jackson III
Sterling Shepard
Cody Whitehair
Eli Apple
Sterling Shepard
Or
William Jackson III
Sterling Shepard
Cody Whitehair
They liked vonn Bell I'm gonna say
Jackson
Shepard
Bell
They tool a FSS in third so they felt strongly about it. Bell has good range he prob would have been the second second rounder.
I would've done that and drafted Josh Doctson or Laquon Treadwell at #20 like I did in my mock.
Eli Apple
Sterling Shepard
Or
William Jackson III
Sterling Shepard
Cody Whitehair
WTF!! I love what was behind door number two. I am so pissed I read this thread.
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Having said that, for arguments sake, it's (potentially)
Eli Apple
Sterling Shepard
Or
William Jackson III
Sterling Shepard
Cody Whitehair
WTF!! I love what was behind door number two. I am so pissed I read this thread.
I like Apple a lot but I agree. Jackson, Shep, Whitehair plus all the other guys would been nice. Potential Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Whitehair-Hart? All of a sudden Paulie Walnuts, and all the other tards aren't bitching about the right side as much. That in and of itself is worth the trade.
I think we did alright in the draft. Whitehair is a guard anyway. We already have all pro John Jerry...
Ugh.....once again HOW DO YOU PAY FOR HIM?
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switched firsts with them for Mo Wilkerson.
Ugh.....once again HOW DO YOU PAY FOR HIM?
with money?............
This^^^^. And the draft value chart (IIRC) has never been readjusted for the current rookie salary slitting, which should make high draft slots even more valuable with their fixed costs.
Basically I am pleased enough they got Shepard in round 2 not to long after the extra 2 nd rounder, though I would have loved an OL like White hair, who sounds very Richburgish...
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switched firsts with them for Mo Wilkerson.
Ugh.....once again HOW DO YOU PAY FOR HIM?
with money?............
Giants have over 20 million in cap space. I'm sure they could have worked a cap friendly long term deal with him. It actually would have benefitted both teams. Jets would have gotten Tunsil and enough cap relief to sign Fitz. Giants would have gotten the 20th pick and completed a front line that would be a monster.
Ugh.....once again HOW DO YOU PAY FOR HIM?
with money?............
Giants have over 20 million in cap space. I'm sure they could have worked a cap friendly long term deal with him. It actually would have benefitted both teams. Jets would have gotten Tunsil and enough cap relief to sign Fitz. Giants would have gotten the 20th pick and completed a front line that would be a monster.
Can't be a credit whore for one years s think it won't hurt shortly after.
Who next, ISIS??
Jets traded their 5th for Clady and I think had dealt their 6th in a separate deal. Now had they thrown in a 3 next year (which is equivalent of a 4 this year) I may have been fine with that
I do not typically advocate trading down, but I did see this year as that type of year to do it because of the shortage of impact players in the top 10 and the view that the overall roster still needs more above-average talent in numerous areas.
Because he built the teams that won two Super Bowls.
Next stupid question?
But I'm not disappointed with what we got.
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would have been tempted to do that deal for a second. I’m not sure I’d let the whole deal collapse for an extra fourth. Most of those picks don’t work out anyway. This draft was also very deep in the second and third rounds. Apple is enticing prospect with size, strength, and speed, but he’s also a project to some extent. William Jackson and an extra two might well have been enough for me. We also don’t know whether the Jets would have also given a sixth or a fifth.
Jets traded their 5th for Clady and I think had dealt their 6th in a separate deal. Now had they thrown in a 3 next year (which is equivalent of a 4 this year) I may have been fine with that
Thanks. I still might have done it for just a two, because it is another high round pick. I also never thought there was much of a difference between #10 and #20.
1st Treadwell WR
2nd Springs T
2nd Mackensie CB
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would have been tempted to do that deal for a second. I’m not sure I’d let the whole deal collapse for an extra fourth. Most of those picks don’t work out anyway. This draft was also very deep in the second and third rounds. Apple is enticing prospect with size, strength, and speed, but he’s also a project to some extent. William Jackson and an extra two might well have been enough for me. We also don’t know whether the Jets would have also given a sixth or a fifth.
Jets traded their 5th for Clady and I think had dealt their 6th in a separate deal. Now had they thrown in a 3 next year (which is equivalent of a 4 this year) I may have been fine with that
Thanks. I still might have done it for just a two, because it is another high round pick. I also never thought there was much of a difference between #10 and #20.
I agree not much of a difference between 10 and 20, but who would have been available in Round 2 is a bit of 20-20 hindsight. There were a few players drafted in early Round 2 that weren't expected to go that high that pushed better guys to where the Jets picked Hackenberg. Also, if the Giants don't take Apple maybe the whole first round plays out vastly different, especially if Miami didn't like Hargreaves, and so guys that actually ended up being available at 20 and 51 would not be
It appears hopeless for some to figure out how the Giants draft by committee and how influential Mara is.
We got low balled and we said no thanks.
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still have this job?
It appears hopeless for some to figure out how the Giants draft by committee and how influential Mara is.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
We got low balled and we said no thanks.
Exactly.
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saying we could have had X player later with our pick just isn't accurate. There is absolutely no way to determine definitively how the draft plays out if the Jets trade up to 10.
We got low balled and we said no thanks.
Exactly.
Its as if people forgot that the Titans had the #1 overall pick just a month or so ago. Whoever they take at 1 changes the entire draft, literally, especially since it couldn't have been a QB.
Had they not gotten a suitor they likely pick Ramsay since I would imagine Tunsil goes off their board to when the video came out. Then what happens?
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still have this job?
It appears hopeless for some to figure out how the Giants draft by committee and how influential Mara is.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
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still have this job?
Because he built the teams that won two Super Bowls.
Next stupid question?
Don't understand all the pom pom waving on this board. Ernie Accorsi built the foundation on both those teams.
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In comment 12947659 Mendenhall said:
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still have this job?
It appears hopeless for some to figure out how the Giants draft by committee and how influential Mara is.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
Why is your first reaction to insult or name call every single poster who disagrees with you? I'm curious if you can answer that question without again doing so, but I have my doubts.
To move up 10 spots, should have been two picks, likely a #2 and #4.
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still have this job?
Because he built the teams that won two Super Bowls.
Next stupid question?
Don't understand all the pom pom waving on this board. Ernie Accorsi built the foundation on both those teams.
Of course *you* don't understand it, I'd be surprised if you can figure out how to tell time. Anyone who does understand basic football saw the difference between Accorsi's tenure without Reese at the top spot, and how it turned after Reese got promoted and eventually took over.
Would we be Best Buy apologists if we laughed when told somebody paid $10,000 for a Soda Stream?
Well by that line of thinking wouldn't we also have to wait and see if whoever we took in the trade down would also be a good player before saying its a good move?
This has nothing to do with being an apologist. If an article came out about the Texans offering a 2nd to the Bucs to move up to 11 for Hargreaves and the Bucs balked, I'd say good for them too, just not enough in that deal to lose out on what should be the better, higher rated player.
Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
Why is your first reaction to insult or name call every single poster who disagrees with you? I'm curious if you can answer that question without again doing so, but I have my doubts.
Why do you lurk and follow me and refuse to respond to 99% of my posts and then suddenly appear with material which not only has zero to do with the topic yet refuses to read what I'm responding too? If somebody calls you a troll and you respond should i step in and ask you the same question? Do you have any opinion on the topic? Do you believe it's all Jerry Reese in a room making all the decisions and the rest of the Giants hierarchy, including Mara, have been lying to us through the media?
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Usual stupidity from Mendenhall the troll. That said, John Mara has little to no input on draftees..He knows probably as much as I do re college football..I don't care what they spin to the media
You must not follow this team too closely and how the committee drafts. There are endless quotes, interviews, etc yet your type seems to miss everything. You might be slightly aware beyond the color of the helmet yet not much further.
Why is your first reaction to insult or name call every single poster who disagrees with you? I'm curious if you can answer that question without again doing so, but I have my doubts.
Why do you lurk and follow me and refuse to respond to 99% of my posts and then suddenly appear with material which not only has zero to do with the topic yet refuses to read what I'm responding too? If somebody calls you a troll and you respond should i step in and ask you the same question? Do you have any opinion on the topic? Do you believe it's all Jerry Reese in a room making all the decisions and the rest of the Giants hierarchy, including Mara, have been lying to us through the media?
Look up, i've posted my thoughts on this a few different times, read the thread. I'm also not following anyone, I posted here before you did. I called you out for your non stop insults and I've done it to other posters as well. Its tiresome.
As for your specific question, no I don't think Reese is in a room by himself, no GM is. But he has a very specific job and its one that is virtually pointless if he needs to get approval from everyone before pulling the trigger. What's the point of having a GM then? (this is a question for any team not just the Giants).