Early prediction time

Giants will be the dark horse this year so 9-10 sounds right. Safeties don't matter especially with the DL Depth and CB Depth which will make it easier. Landon Collins is the In the Box safety while Thompson will be doing the coverage.

Still waiting on if the Giants offer something to Rolle who would Mentor all of those Rookies.

Either way the Giants won 6 games with the WORST DEFENSE. All of the WINNABLE GAMES LOST BY TIME MANAGEMENT it was the difference maker people not the Defense or the Players but the Play calling and Coaching.

Examples Week one Dallas......The Saints Offensive Juggernaut and the Patriots game at the end of all these games it was Time Management....well except week one that was just Coughlin not wanting to score for some reason.

Someone pull up the stat of how many games the giants lost last year in the last two minutes. If I'm not mistaken it was more than 5 games. All people were talking about was time management it was a big issue.

So we could've gotten more than 6 Wins which Shows how amazing this offense is as well as the Injuries to? Really?

This team has got the talent to contend for a Super Bowl ring. Get at least one more lineman for the offense and it is off to the races.

Cruz Sheppard and Beckham?

With these Acquisitions........and a new coach who will be Great. I will predict less injuries since Mcadoo is resting the guys on Monday.

Just get excited!

This team will fight for it's veteran QB & the young coaches

With the speedy receivers it will make the safeties go back making the run game easier as well.

Also is Outhouse starting?

If I'm not mistaken Bobby hart said he could play tackle.

Flowers Pugh Richburg Jerry/ Hart? Hart has got to be in there somewhere Reese was confident in him as well as the Canadian Fellow hopefully he makes some strides who knows.

Hart is going to fill in nicely.

Richburg was An amazing pick, his fire is like Beckhams.

In comment 12947562 GeorgeAdams33 said:

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This team will fight for it's veteran QB & the young coaches

hmmm ESPN has a clip of Skip bayless on the giants page go watch it.

The media isn't hyping up the Giants but are trying to down play them and their team.

Someone posted something during the Draft about Commercial breaks during the Giants picks? Which were outstanding picks as well........ The Eli Apple pick where people fell for the trap of thinking that the Eli Apple pick over Tunsil pick was stupid.


The NFL fans probably think the Giants are a joke which goes with the Mainstream media of currently either down playing or keeping quiet about the Giants. Part of the reason why I said Apple to the Giants.....

That's just how these Sports fans are especially when they thought Peyton didn't have the capability of winning a ring. As well as others who thought the Panthers game would be a repeat of the Seahawks game....which made 00000 Sense it is like these people don't think.


Broncos had no defense vs the Hawks.....Broncos had the Best Defense in the NFL vs the Panthers.

Anyways I stop ranting Giants are always the underdog and it won't change.

I think 11-5 is doable. I think 10-6 is reasonable given our proclivity to fuck up winnable games.

In comment 12947562 GeorgeAdams33 said:

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This team will fight for it's veteran QB & the young coaches

Great Optimism btw

I like what the Giants have done

but seriously - the Giants did not lose because of time management or Coughlin last year -- they lost because the Defense could not make stands when they had to - and because the offense could not sustain a running game to finish games with

If anything Coughlin's game plans had them in most games - now we have to see how McAdoo manages a game plan in all three phases - something Coughlin was a real master at.

I think the Giants have improved themselves - but there may still be a learning curve for McAdoo -- If McAdoo has the ability to game plan anywhere's close to Coughlin then the Giants should have a really good season -- but it's impossible right now to determine that

In comment 12947576 gidiefor said:

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I like what the Giants have done but seriously - the Giants did not lose because of time management or Coughlin last year -- they lost because the Defense could not make stands when they had to - and because the offense could not sustain a running game to finish games with If anything Coughlin's game plans had them in most games - now we have to see how McAdoo manages a game plan in all three phases - something Coughlin was a real master at. I think the Giants have improved themselves - but there may still be a learning curve for McAdoo -- If McAdoo has the ability to game plan anywhere's close to Coughlin then the Giants should have a really good season -- but it's impossible right now to determine that

The Giants play calling on the last drive vs the Saints was awful.

If you are going to disagree with me make sure you have proof to back up what you are saying.

The Giants should have Beaten the Undefeated Patriots and lost because of Time Management.....The Worst Defense almost beat the undefeated Pats.....


So 2:05 left and Coughlin calls a timeout instead of letting the clock run. It was First and 10 at the 5 Pats have 1 Timeout left. Read what the Giants do especially throwing the ball for an incomplete pass LOL.

Give me a damn break. They said Eli Audibled but remember when Eli tried to take the Blame for Coughlin Week One? Eli Lied and Coughlin admitted it was his call and you can see Coughlin said "I have no regrets"

So this was setup to be a failure from the start of that Final part of the drive.

So I backed my case up and you should believe me because I am a very Observant Individual with a good memory and the Giants had MANY games in the bag.

This is why I am very Confident with my prediction this year. I don't know who was injured for the Giants that game but the Giants just gave the game away.

This was the theme last year time management.

I'm just saying if I don't know what I'm talking about I don't say anything and in this case I observed enough to see what were the problems. Especially on this forum where people complained about clock management after the Patriots game as well.
Giants and Time Management vs the Patriots. - ( New Window )

Better players that the Giants will actually pursue aren't really that likely to shake free at this point. What they've got is probably what they've got, for better or worse.

Anyway, my prediction is still 7-9. The defense improves to mediocre or close enough to it, but the offense, takes a small step back. A better team than the 2015 version, but still not there yet, despite the QB clock ticking.

Saying defense wasn't a problem but time management played a big role

In comment 12947584 Devon said:

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Better players that the Giants will actually pursue aren't really that likely to shake free at this point. What they've got is probably what they've got, for better or worse. Anyway, my prediction is still 7-9. The defense improves to mediocre or close enough to it, but the offense, takes a small step back. A better team than the 2015 version, but still not there yet, despite the QB clock ticking.

Better team how? 2015 Everyone was injured and no Cruz. Giants also gave away James Jones to keep Preston Parker who was released after the first game vs Dallas.....

I'd bet anyone 100$ the Giants make the playoffs LOL. Seriously The injuries will see a decline from last year.

Offense takes a small step back? Oh Lord have mercy....hopefully you don't have your mind made up.

went from 4-12 in 2014 to 9-7 last year...

for those who think the teams only improve marginally, over long periods of time...

In comment 12947588 adamg said:

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went from 4-12 in 2014 to 9-7 last year... for those who think the teams only improve marginally, over long periods of time...

Wish we could add "Plus ones" on here!

Redskins were very lucky NFC was in shambles. What's funny is how this guy saying 7-9 thinks with the FA Agent and Draft Acquisitions we have improved from 6*10 to 1 win better LOL.

WITH THE 2ND EASIEST SCHEDULE IN THE NFL. What was the difficulty of the schedule Last year please someone tell me.

We are talking about the Giants and trying to make a prediction let's first see if they can change from past years with a new coach. I just want to see something different from the past teams on the field to show we are moving in the right direction. Not sure how many games they will win so many things to consider and evaluate this really is a week by week season for this team.

In comment 12947589 HeavyLevy said:

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In comment 12947588 adamg said: Quote: went from 4-12 in 2014 to 9-7 last year... for those who think the teams only improve marginally, over long periods of time... Wish we could add "Plus ones" on here! Redskins were very lucky NFC was in shambles. What's funny is how this guy saying 7-9 thinks with the FA Agent and Draft Acquisitions we have improved from 6*10 to 1 win better LOL. WITH THE 2ND EASIEST SCHEDULE IN THE NFL. What was the difficulty of the schedule Last year please someone tell me.

Exactly. Even taking the other 'point' made:

a "marginal defense"

Whatever that means - I'll take it to mean average - would have us a significantly improved team.

We lost ten games last year. EIGHT of them by less than a touchdown. Eight games. Take half of those and switch the result, and we would have won the division. And we added younger, improving, resilient guys... couldn't hope for more out of the FO at this point. A RT is gravy...

In comment 12947576 gidiefor said:

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I like what the Giants have done but seriously - the Giants did not lose because of time management or Coughlin last year -- they lost because the Defense could not make stands when they had to - and because the offense could not sustain a running game to finish games with If anything Coughlin's game plans had them in most games - now we have to see how McAdoo manages a game plan in all three phases - something Coughlin was a real master at. I think the Giants have improved themselves - but there may still be a learning curve for McAdoo -- If McAdoo has the ability to game plan anywhere's close to Coughlin then the Giants should have a really good season -- but it's impossible right now to determine that

good post I agree.

Beyond just game planning, the HC is the leader. Can McAdoo keep it the team together through adversity. There is no way to know the answer until the first season plays out.

I hope he is up to it.

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easy schedule, and the division remains a joke.

In comment 12947583 HeavyLevy said:

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So I backed my case up and you should believe me because I am a very Observant Individual with a good memory and the Giants had MANY games in the bag. This is why I am very Confident with my prediction this year. I don't know who was injured for the Giants that game but the Giants just gave the game away. This was the theme last year time management. I'm just saying if I don't know what I'm talking about I don't say anything and in this case I observed enough to see what were the problems. Especially on this forum where people complained about clock management after the Patriots game as well. Giants and Time Management vs the Patriots. - ( New Window )

Thanks for posting that article - proving A - that you can't or won't read; B - that your observation skills are nill; and C- that you don't know what you're talking about and can't back up anything you say with anything even closely resembling authoritative proof.

It says right there in that article:

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Manning explained why he changed the play. "We had some runs call. They just weren't going to let us run," said Manning, who went 24-of-44 passing for 361 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions in the contest. "They had goal-line personnel in and they weren't going to let us run the ball in that situation. The one to Odell on first down was actually a run called. Threw the pass on the outside. Kind of the way it was going to be. They weren't going to let us run the ball there."

There was totally zero confidence in the running game to end games -- and likewise with the defense.

It's easy to grasp on the time management as a problem -- but if you were as observant as you indicate - you would be forced to conclude that the running game was a problem all season -- they never could count on it when they needed to. And same is true with the offense.

You want proof ???

Look at free agency and the draft - a major reinvestment in the defense and the drafting of a running back in the 4th round - who according to all the draft gurus is already better than any running back the Giants have.

I love your optimism -- but your logic and the vast majority of your assumptions/statements are ridiculous.

7-9 to 9-7 range. They still have a lot to prove on the field.

around 8-8 last year with the clock mngt issues.

With that said, if some of these rookies and the walking wounded from last season come back (Cruz, Kennard, JPP, Hankins, OO, Safeties) and contribute at a high level I don't think 10-6 is out of the question.

In comment 12947629 Jimmy Googs said:

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around 8-8 last year with the clock mngt issues. With that said, if some of these rookies and the walking wounded from last season come back (Cruz, Kennard, JPP, Hankins, OO, Safeties) and contribute at a high level I don't think 10-6 is out of the question.

Googs -- the time management issue is second guessing at best (pun intended) -- it's easy to pick on that -- but the fundamental issues were what I stated

but I still think it was a very unusual year to lose so many of those games on the last play and some of our QB/Coaching decisions made those events more plausible. The "ball bounces funny for everybody" some years so I get it.

just sayin' adding 2 more into the pro forma win column is not unreasonable.

maybe 9-7

No playoffs

there are 4 months to go before the first game...
Many things can happen in that time span.
I'll reserve judgement until after the roster is set...

that might be wrong. Who cares...its just an opinion on team chat room.

Besides you have almost everything you need at this point. We have the pool of players, draft picks, free agents, schedule. The only think we don't have is the number of injuries (and firework accidents) that will occur between now and Sept.

Same thing I feel like I say every year.

9-7 with decent injury luck... 7-9 (or worse) if we get ravaged again. If we have a really, really healthy year where we wind up with minimal injuries, I think this team could definitely win 10 games.

I think the 2016 team definitely has a higher ceiling than the past 3 incarnations but I can never assume good health in this sport.. especially not with this franchise.

Assuming that they don't pick up a vet WR. I doubt a quality starter on the other side of OBJ comes from anyone on the current roster. I'll revise downward if OBJ misses any time (and I probably included a game or two where he hurts a hamstring or gets suspended in my original prediction).

This is all regardless of what they do to their OL. Now, if they were to somehow get a quality vet WR on the team, then I would completely reverse my prediction, again independent of their rightside OL. I simply don't think that OL improvement factors much into this. You're talking about a modest incremental improvement there.

A lot of bad/mediocre teams out there yet a significant difference between the top eight and the rest IMO.

2016...I'll say 10-6. As we've seen before, that still may not be enough to make the playoffs, but it would be a step in the right direction.

In comment 12947614 Anonymous Stranger Online said:

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easy schedule, and the division remains a joke.

That joke of a division gave us a lot of trouble when we were facing a starting QB

In comment 12947706 Bill L said:

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Assuming that they don't pick up a vet WR. I doubt a quality starter on the other side of OBJ comes from anyone on the current roster. I'll revise downward if OBJ misses any time (and I probably included a game or two where he hurts a hamstring or gets suspended in my original prediction). This is all regardless of what they do to their OL. Now, if they were to somehow get a quality vet WR on the team, then I would completely reverse my prediction, again independent of their rightside OL. I simply don't think that OL improvement factors much into this. You're talking about a modest incremental improvement there.

LOL.. seriously? We just won 6 games with a historically bad defense. How is this team going to be 2 games worse after adding 3 starting caliber players on the defensive side of the ball in FA and drafting another in the first round? We drafted arguably the most NFL ready WR in the draft, the entire left side of our line is set and Flowers will be better now that he's past his ankle sprain.

I get being pessimistic given the last few years but this makes no sense at all unless you're just assuming either Eli will get hurt or the rest of the team will.

I like the Sgepard pick but a slot receiver, even a good one, is a modest improvement over Harris and doesn't fix the gaping chasm that even a sucky Randle left open.

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I think we'll survive without Rueben Randle. This was the 6th most productive offense in the NFL last year. Even if you think losing Randle is going to be a net negative (I don't believe this at all), how much could you possibly think it would drag the offense down?

There's also hope that we're going to get Victor Cruz back. I'm really not that worried about Randle being gone. There's a reason why the Giants had no interest in retaining him.

In comment 12947724 arcarsenal said:

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I think we'll survive without Rueben Randle. This was the 6th most productive offense in the NFL last year. Even if you think losing Randle is going to be a net negative (I don't believe this at all), how much could you possibly think it would drag the offense down? There's also hope that we're going to get Victor Cruz back. I'm really not that worried about Randle being gone. There's a reason why the Giants had no interest in retaining him.

I'd factor in the addition of Will Johnson at FB, Perkins at RB, and, hopefully, an upgrade in the TE corps, as blockers and receivers.

I think we're still bound to see a vet WR and OL signing, possibly a DE as well.

I think we're looking at 10-6 - a bumpy go at times as the Giants integrate all these new faces together with getting acclimated to a new guy in charge. I do think they'll make the playoffs if they manage to stay relatively healthy, and that 2016 will be a building block toward a more competitive 2017, where the remaining roster issues are addressed.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing what Will Tye can do after getting last season under his belt. I don't think he'll ever be a top tier TE but feel like he showed signs of being a really solid option and a good safety valve a-la Boss/Ballard.

10 wins. With the vast improvement on dand the increase in offensive firepower, Shepard, Perkins, Cruz. The only thing missing is a RT which I still think they are going to get? Weaker schedule. That's only if all the new players perform up to their capabilities and the exclusion of major injuries.

In comment 12947699 arcarsenal said:

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Same thing I feel like I say every year. 9-7 with decent injury luck... 7-9 (or worse) if we get ravaged again. If we have a really, really healthy year where we wind up with minimal injuries, I think this team could definitely win 10 games. I think the 2016 team definitely has a higher ceiling than the past 3 incarnations but I can never assume good health in this sport.. especially not with this franchise.

I agree with all of this.

In comment 12947737 arcarsenal said:

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I'm actually looking forward to seeing what Will Tye can do after getting last season under his belt. I don't think he'll ever be a top tier TE but feel like he showed signs of being a really solid option and a good safety valve a-la Boss/Ballard.

Tye put up about the same numbers in seven games as Ladarius Green did in eleven.

In comment 12947750 Klaatu said:

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In comment 12947737 arcarsenal said: Quote: I'm actually looking forward to seeing what Will Tye can do after getting last season under his belt. I don't think he'll ever be a top tier TE but feel like he showed signs of being a really solid option and a good safety valve a-la Boss/Ballard. Tye put up about the same numbers in seven games as Ladarius Green did in eleven.

I actually think Green has all the tools to be an elite TE and will be much more productive in PIT without Antonio Gates ahead of him. I'd like to see Tye clean up his blocking a bit but I'm not upset at all going into the season relying on him to be our best pass catching TE. I think he's good enough to get the job done.

Let's be honest, this team has been suffering through a serious lack of game day talent due to injuries and a long string of very poor drafting. The fallout led to their moving away from one of the most respected men ever to enter the building. The ONLY reason Jerry Reese is still around is the belief in a turnaround in the drafting since 2013. That said, the majority of the players from those drafts are still developing and the only ones we can say at this point are hits for sure are Pugh, Hankins, Odell, and Richburg.

Initially, this years draft looks very promising. I can make that statement with complete certainty because I have not heard one NOW THAT THE DRAFT IS OVER, WHEN WILL MARC ROSS BE FIRED, comment this week.

But the bottom line with these drafts is, it is time for many of these players to step up. Not just earn a spot because of a weak roster, but actually get the attention of the league that this team has some good players. Earn that second contract.

Beyond the drafts, the other reason for optimism is the defensive haul the team brought in during free agency. The checks were written, and now it is in their hands to turn the arrows around on what has been as foul a stretch of defensive play as I can remember.

Bottom line is, despite the reasons for optimism, this is a young unproven team with an inexperienced head coach. I need to be consistent here. Every year I hear the hype about how good Dallas and Philly are going to be, and my response is always, PROVE IT. They never seem to earn the benefit of the doubt they are given every year, which is why I remain skeptical until they actually deliver.

In the same sense, I reserve any serious optimism for this immediate team until the point where they prove it to me. In today's game, when you have a proven head coach and franchise QB in place you should be right in the mix just about every year. Throw in a legitimate super star in Odell, the fact that this has been a below average team in a weak division is simply mind boggling.

So with all of that said, I am going to go with 8-8, despite my admitted optimism. I'm on board with John Mara, there is a credibility issue here. Though draft hype and free agent spending may be encouraging, the bottom line for me is: PROVE IT.

Sep 11 Sun at Dallas 4:25 PM FOX 1-0, Win - no pass rush for them in the first 4 weeks.
Sep 18 Sun New Orleans 1:00 PM FOX 2-0, Win - you think we got defense issues?
Sep 25 Sun Washington 1:00 PM FOX 3-0, Win - going to be tough game but I think we get them at home. Norman gets torched
Oct 3 Mon at Minnesota 8:30 PM ESPN 3-1, Loss - Minny always gives Eli issues.
Oct 9 Sun at Green Bay 8:30 PM* NBC 4-1, Win - I think Mac will have the tactical advantage.
Oct 16 Sun Baltimore 1:00 PM* CBS 4-2, Loss - Pretty sure they have improved a lot.
Oct 23 Sun at Los Angeles 9:30 AM NFLN 5-2 Win - No need for a comment
BYE
Nov 6 Sun Philadelphia 1:00 PM* FOX 6-2 Win - Rookie QB will get a lot of attention from our defense
Nov 14 Mon Cincinnati 8:30 PM ESPN 6-3 Loss - There run game is going to be hot this year.
Nov 20 Sun Chicago 1:00 PM* FOX 7-3 Win - no Forte = a roughed up Cutler
Nov 27 Sun at Cleveland 1:00 PM* FOX 8-3 Win - They are not organized yet but will be better.
Dec 4 Sun at Pittsburgh 4:25 PM* FOX 8-4 Loss - Running game gets us again
Dec 11 Sun Dallas 8:30 PM* NBC 9-4 Win -Romo gone by now
Dec 18 Sun Detroit 1:00 PM* FOX 10 -4 Win - Lots of inexperience will be on there Oline.
Dec 22 Thu at Philadelphia 8:25 PM NBC 11-4 Win - Same as before, Rookie QB
Jan 1 Sun at Washington 1:00 PM* FOX 11-5 Loss - I think they are getting talent on this team and they learn to help Norman

right now it's just as much of a crap shoot as winning a lottery! It's all based on potential right now. We don't know where we'll stand with injuries, and we all there will be some, and how the new guys will get assimilated into the scheme. Also how well can the rookies contribute, which they'll have to in order for this team to get to the playoffs, IMO.

On paper I would say this team looks better, but depth is still a concern in many areas and most importantly the right side of the oline is still a concern, as well.

And I'm buoyed by the thought of real competition at a number of positions. 16 DBs fighting for 10 spots, 13 WRs fighting for six or seven spots, 11 LBs fighting for five spots, Six TEs fighting for three spots, and so forth.

If there's a bright side to having a talent-deficient roster, it's that there's plenty of room for improvement. No one, except for a very few, should feel safe.

I'm guessing 7-9 to 9-7, which will be a massive improvement over the last 3 years.

The Boss.

It all starts with getting out of August without the devastating injuries.

It didn’t hurt my optimism to hear Charley Casserly say last night that the most improved team combining Free Agency & the Draft, is THE New York Football Giants. He loves Snacks paired with Hankins, Vernon, and praised Darian Thompson (although he called him 4th rd, three times).

I believe Flowers, Pugh, Weston, & JPP will be better. Sheppard gives Eli & Odell, the secondary target lacking last year. I love this guy for our team. I also have been one of the biggest detractors for Reuben on this board. Perkins also will contribute.

The Redskins should continue to be good, but if it comes down to Eli or Cousins, I like our chances, along with on paper, we got a better schedule. The Eagles partially sold out 2016 for Wentz. That doesn’t hurt us either.

Speaking of schedule, ours is certainly favorable. NFC & AFC North plus Rams road game in London & Saints at home. And I’m thrilled we get the Cowboys in Week 1, without their top 3 pass rushers from last year.

Again if our injuries can regress to the norm, we’re one of the most improved teams in the league.

I’ll go 10-6, with 11-5 in reach.

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In comment 12947694 Jimmy Googs said:

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that might be wrong. Who cares...its just an opinion on team chat room. Besides you have almost everything you need at this point. We have the pool of players, draft picks, free agents, schedule. The only think we don't have is the number of injuries (and firework accidents) that will occur between now and Sept.

Indeed, I am injury shocked... The last two seasons could do that to anyone...

Hopefully Rashad comes in like he did 2nd half of last season.
Hopefully the rest of our RBs don't just suck.
FB play maybe more important than we think.
O-Line has to continue to gel. Pugh and Richburg need to 'continue' a high level of play and Flowers has to show major improvement in pass protection, particularly against the faster edge rushers. And oh yeah we can't afford for anyone to get seriously injured.
Tight ends have to just be reliable, I like the combination of Donnell, Tye, and Adams.
WR to me is the spot we are banking on most, OBJ has to give us more.. Says Eli, I say if he gets some fucking help that would be great. Reuben Randle blew a huge opportunity to solidify himself as the number two, this year we are hoping to have a solid number two, three, and four. OBJ, Shepard, Cruz, & Harris looks good on paper, time to see.
Defense is the dark horse.. JPP, Hankins playing for contracts. OV and Big Dame playing to show Giants fans they deserved theirs. If Bromley and Odi can shows us they deserved to be third rounders this season our D-Line might go nuts!
Not expecting jack shit from our LB's because aside from Kennard whom cannot stay healthy they all are mediocre at best. Another year without a good LB sucks I must admit. How many 3rd and 10s with a check down to a TE or RB that run right past our LBs does it take in order for change, this position is probably the one that sinks us more so than the right side of our O-Line.
Our DB's need to minimize the big plays against them and maximize the big turnovers they are capable of. We finnaly have a really solid core in my opinion. If they can create turnovers and give our guys time to get home this group of DB's might have a huge hand in lots of victories this season.

If this happens then..
Division champs @ 12-4 #2 seed would be nice.

I would be happy with splits in the division
but we need to sweep the boys
10-6 Division Title .

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Hopefully Rashad comes in like he did 2nd half of last season. Hopefully the rest of our RBs don't just suck. FB play maybe more important than we think. O-Line has to continue to gel. Pugh and Richburg need to 'continue' a high level of play and Flowers has to show major improvement in pass protection, particularly against the faster edge rushers. And oh yeah we can't afford for anyone to get seriously injured. Tight ends have to just be reliable, I like the combination of Donnell, Tye, and Adams. WR to me is the spot we are banking on most, OBJ has to give us more.. Says Eli, I say if he gets some fucking help that would be great. Reuben Randle blew a huge opportunity to solidify himself as the number two, this year we are hoping to have a solid number two, three, and four. OBJ, Shepard, Cruz, & Harris looks good on paper, time to see. Defense is the dark horse.. JPP, Hankins playing for contracts. OV and Big Dame playing to show Giants fans they deserved theirs. If Bromley and Odi can shows us they deserved to be third rounders this season our D-Line might go nuts! Not expecting jack shit from our LB's because aside from Kennard whom cannot stay healthy they all are mediocre at best. Another year without a good LB sucks I must admit. How many 3rd and 10s with a check down to a TE or RB that run right past our LBs does it take in order for change, this position is probably the one that sinks us more so than the right side of our O-Line. Our DB's need to minimize the big plays against them and maximize the big turnovers they are capable of. We finnaly have a really solid core in my opinion. If they can create turnovers and give our guys time to get home this group of DB's might have a huge hand in lots of victories this season. If this happens then.. Division champs @ 12-4 #2 seed would be nice.

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I'd guess 9-7 or 10-6. Definitely think we're headed in the right direction

They still need a POST Wideout....

we could've won 8-10 games last year with an average defense. I believe some of the bad clock management was due to TC knowing he couldn't count on the D to hold a lead.

We've upgraded our D significantly and I believe by mid season or sooner Shepard will be a huge upgrade over Randle. Hopefully Cruz will be gravy.

Whether the schedule will be easier in reality remains to be seen, but it prolly won't be as difficult as last years.

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In comment 12947583 HeavyLevy said: Quote: So I backed my case up and you should believe me because I am a very Observant Individual with a good memory and the Giants had MANY games in the bag. This is why I am very Confident with my prediction this year. I don't know who was injured for the Giants that game but the Giants just gave the game away. This was the theme last year time management. I'm just saying if I don't know what I'm talking about I don't say anything and in this case I observed enough to see what were the problems. Especially on this forum where people complained about clock management after the Patriots game as well. Giants and Time Management vs the Patriots. - ( New Window ) Thanks for posting that article - proving A - that you can't or won't read; B - that your observation skills are nill; and C- that you don't know what you're talking about and can't back up anything you say with anything even closely resembling authoritative proof. It says right there in that article: Quote: The Giants could've (probably should've) run the ball on first down. Either score a touchdown or exhaust the Patriots' final timeout. Seems obvious. Instead, quarterback Eli Manning switched the play at the line of scrimmage Quote: Manning explained why he changed the play. "We had some runs call. They just weren't going to let us run," said Manning, who went 24-of-44 passing for 361 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions in the contest. "They had goal-line personnel in and they weren't going to let us run the ball in that situation. The one to Odell on first down was actually a run called. Threw the pass on the outside. Kind of the way it was going to be. They weren't going to let us run the ball there." There was totally zero confidence in the running game to end games -- and likewise with the defense. It's easy to grasp on the time management as a problem -- but if you were as observant as you indicate - you would be forced to conclude that the running game was a problem all season -- they never could count on it when they needed to. And same is true with the offense. You want proof ??? Look at free agency and the draft - a major reinvestment in the defense and the drafting of a running back in the 4th round - who according to all the draft gurus is already better than any running back the Giants have. I love your optimism -- but your logic and the vast majority of your assumptions/statements are ridiculous.

Yeah why don't you post the rest of it where Coughlin said "I have no regrets" Just like week one when he told Jennings not to score, it is the same thing because remember eLIE Said it was his call when Coughlin admitted he was at fault. Are you going to believe Liars? That within itself is not logical.

Was Coughlins Call.

Also to the people saying you can't run the ball at the 5 are you dumb?

I am sorry but all that needed to be done was LET THE CLOCK RUN OUT AND WASTE TIME So that a mere 40 Seconds would have remained but instead of doing that they give the Pats free timeouts and kick a FG. So like it stated in the Article did the Giants run the ball? Or score a touchdown?

In comment 12947710 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 12947706 Bill L said: Quote: Assuming that they don't pick up a vet WR. I doubt a quality starter on the other side of OBJ comes from anyone on the current roster. I'll revise downward if OBJ misses any time (and I probably included a game or two where he hurts a hamstring or gets suspended in my original prediction). This is all regardless of what they do to their OL. Now, if they were to somehow get a quality vet WR on the team, then I would completely reverse my prediction, again independent of their rightside OL. I simply don't think that OL improvement factors much into this. You're talking about a modest incremental improvement there. LOL.. seriously? We just won 6 games with a historically bad defense. How is this team going to be 2 games worse after adding 3 starting caliber players on the defensive side of the ball in FA and drafting another in the first round? We drafted arguably the most NFL ready WR in the draft, the entire left side of our line is set and Flowers will be better now that he's past his ankle sprain. I get being pessimistic given the last few years but this makes no sense at all unless you're just assuming either Eli will get hurt or the rest of the team will.

How can someone be so pessimistic and so short sighted at the same time? Oh wait because they are pessimistic!

In comment 12947623 gidiefor said:

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In comment 12947583 HeavyLevy said: Quote: So I backed my case up and you should believe me because I am a very Observant Individual with a good memory and the Giants had MANY games in the bag. This is why I am very Confident with my prediction this year. I don't know who was injured for the Giants that game but the Giants just gave the game away. This was the theme last year time management. I'm just saying if I don't know what I'm talking about I don't say anything and in this case I observed enough to see what were the problems. Especially on this forum where people complained about clock management after the Patriots game as well. Giants and Time Management vs the Patriots. - ( New Window ) Thanks for posting that article - proving A - that you can't or won't read; B - that your observation skills are nill; and C- that you don't know what you're talking about and can't back up anything you say with anything even closely resembling authoritative proof. It says right there in that article: Quote: The Giants could've (probably should've) run the ball on first down. Either score a touchdown or exhaust the Patriots' final timeout. Seems obvious. Instead, quarterback Eli Manning switched the play at the line of scrimmage Quote: Manning explained why he changed the play. "We had some runs call. They just weren't going to let us run," said Manning, who went 24-of-44 passing for 361 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions in the contest. "They had goal-line personnel in and they weren't going to let us run the ball in that situation. The one to Odell on first down was actually a run called. Threw the pass on the outside. Kind of the way it was going to be. They weren't going to let us run the ball there." There was totally zero confidence in the running game to end games -- and likewise with the defense. It's easy to grasp on the time management as a problem -- but if you were as observant as you indicate - you would be forced to conclude that the running game was a problem all season -- they never could count on it when they needed to. And same is true with the offense. You want proof ??? Look at free agency and the draft - a major reinvestment in the defense and the drafting of a running back in the 4th round - who according to all the draft gurus is already better than any running back the Giants have. I love your optimism -- but your logic and the vast majority of your assumptions/statements are ridiculous.

No confidence in the run at the 5 yard line lol. You are giving the argument that all that needed be done was score a touchdown.

How about running out the clock itself smart one. Did they not kick a field Goal after giving the patriots timeouts?

You might want to think that one over before giving me these posts.

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In comment 12947623 gidiefor said:

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In comment 12947583 HeavyLevy said: Quote: So I backed my case up and you should believe me because I am a very Observant Individual with a good memory and the Giants had MANY games in the bag. This is why I am very Confident with my prediction this year. I don't know who was injured for the Giants that game but the Giants just gave the game away. This was the theme last year time management. I'm just saying if I don't know what I'm talking about I don't say anything and in this case I observed enough to see what were the problems. Especially on this forum where people complained about clock management after the Patriots game as well. Giants and Time Management vs the Patriots. - ( New Window ) Thanks for posting that article - proving A - that you can't or won't read; B - that your observation skills are nill; and C- that you don't know what you're talking about and can't back up anything you say with anything even closely resembling authoritative proof. It says right there in that article: Quote: The Giants could've (probably should've) run the ball on first down. Either score a touchdown or exhaust the Patriots' final timeout. Seems obvious. Instead, quarterback Eli Manning switched the play at the line of scrimmage Quote: Manning explained why he changed the play. "We had some runs call. They just weren't going to let us run," said Manning, who went 24-of-44 passing for 361 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions in the contest. "They had goal-line personnel in and they weren't going to let us run the ball in that situation. The one to Odell on first down was actually a run called. Threw the pass on the outside. Kind of the way it was going to be. They weren't going to let us run the ball there." There was totally zero confidence in the running game to end games -- and likewise with the defense. It's easy to grasp on the time management as a problem -- but if you were as observant as you indicate - you would be forced to conclude that the running game was a problem all season -- they never could count on it when they needed to. And same is true with the offense. You want proof ??? Look at free agency and the draft - a major reinvestment in the defense and the drafting of a running back in the 4th round - who according to all the draft gurus is already better than any running back the Giants have. I love your optimism -- but your logic and the vast majority of your assumptions/statements are ridiculous.

You also forgot this detail dimwit. Seriously why would you only copy and paste what fits your argument? Is that why you did it to win some argument and prove me wrong?

Quit the Petty bs and stop lying to these people and give the people the Whole Article and not just 50%.


"The Giants had run the ball successfully on that drive. They had four runs for 20 yards (gains of 4, 9, 2 and 5). Still, even a run for no gain would've served a purpose: The Patriots would've exhausted their last timeout before the two-minute warning."


20 Yards..... Give me a break if you people are going to have a civil debate please do not lie or Copy and paste one piece of an article to fit your narrative. Please give both sides of the story and not just one.

20 Yards is extremely well especially on One Drive!!! Against the Patriots!!

With no Will Beatty!! Did we have Schwartz that game?

Schwartz and Beatty were injured for a good portion of the season so the OLine was in shambles. We've picked up a couple lineman in Free Agency and Hart will fill in nicely grhrhhrhrh

In comment 12948653 HeavyLevy said:

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In comment 12947623 gidiefor said: Quote: In comment 12947583 HeavyLevy said: Quote: So I backed my case up and you should believe me because I am a very Observant Individual with a good memory and the Giants had MANY games in the bag. This is why I am very Confident with my prediction this year. I don't know who was injured for the Giants that game but the Giants just gave the game away. This was the theme last year time management. I'm just saying if I don't know what I'm talking about I don't say anything and in this case I observed enough to see what were the problems. Especially on this forum where people complained about clock management after the Patriots game as well. Giants and Time Management vs the Patriots. - ( New Window ) Thanks for posting that article - proving A - that you can't or won't read; B - that your observation skills are nill; and C- that you don't know what you're talking about and can't back up anything you say with anything even closely resembling authoritative proof. It says right there in that article: Quote: The Giants could've (probably should've) run the ball on first down. Either score a touchdown or exhaust the Patriots' final timeout. Seems obvious. Instead, quarterback Eli Manning switched the play at the line of scrimmage Quote: Manning explained why he changed the play. "We had some runs call. They just weren't going to let us run," said Manning, who went 24-of-44 passing for 361 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions in the contest. "They had goal-line personnel in and they weren't going to let us run the ball in that situation. The one to Odell on first down was actually a run called. Threw the pass on the outside. Kind of the way it was going to be. They weren't going to let us run the ball there." There was totally zero confidence in the running game to end games -- and likewise with the defense. It's easy to grasp on the time management as a problem -- but if you were as observant as you indicate - you would be forced to conclude that the running game was a problem all season -- they never could count on it when they needed to. And same is true with the offense. You want proof ??? Look at free agency and the draft - a major reinvestment in the defense and the drafting of a running back in the 4th round - who according to all the draft gurus is already better than any running back the Giants have. I love your optimism -- but your logic and the vast majority of your assumptions/statements are ridiculous. You also forgot this detail dimwit. Seriously why would you only copy and paste what fits your argument? Is that why you did it to win some argument and prove me wrong? Quit the Petty bs and stop lying to these people and give the people the Whole Article and not just 50%. "The Giants had run the ball successfully on that drive. They had four runs for 20 yards (gains of 4, 9, 2 and 5). Still, even a run for no gain would've served a purpose: The Patriots would've exhausted their last timeout before the two-minute warning." 20 Yards..... Give me a break if you people are going to have a civil debate please do not lie or Copy and paste one piece of an article to fit your narrative. Please give both sides of the story and not just one. 20 Yards is extremely well especially on One Drive!!! Against the Patriots!! With no Will Beatty!! Did we have Schwartz that game? Schwartz and Beatty were injured for a good portion of the season so the OLine was in shambles. We've picked up a couple lineman in Free Agency and Hart will fill in nicely grhrhhrhrh

OLine is an important part of the Run game smart one Glide.

Jennings was injured which left us with no depth at RB which is why we added more backs especially Paul Perkins who will take the role if Jennings is injured again? Perkins.

That's why we added running backs. We've added Lineman as well and still are not finished yet.

In comment 12947583 HeavyLevy said:

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In comment 12947576 gidiefor said: Quote: I like what the Giants have done but seriously - the Giants did not lose because of time management or Coughlin last year -- they lost because the Defense could not make stands when they had to - and because the offense could not sustain a running game to finish games with If anything Coughlin's game plans had them in most games - now we have to see how McAdoo manages a game plan in all three phases - something Coughlin was a real master at. I think the Giants have improved themselves - but there may still be a learning curve for McAdoo -- If McAdoo has the ability to game plan anywhere's close to Coughlin then the Giants should have a really good season -- but it's impossible right now to determine that The Giants play calling on the last drive vs the Saints was awful. If you are going to disagree with me make sure you have proof to back up what you are saying. The Giants should have Beaten the Undefeated Patriots and lost because of Time Management.....The Worst Defense almost beat the undefeated Pats..... So 2:05 left and Coughlin calls a timeout instead of letting the clock run. It was First and 10 at the 5 Pats have 1 Timeout left. Read what the Giants do especially throwing the ball for an incomplete pass LOL. Give me a damn break. They said Eli Audibled but remember when Eli tried to take the Blame for Coughlin Week One? Eli Lied and Coughlin admitted it was his call and you can see Coughlin said "I have no regrets" So this was setup to be a failure from the start of that Final part of the drive. So I backed my case up and you should believe me because I am a very Observant Individual with a good memory and the Giants had MANY games in the bag. This is why I am very Confident with my prediction this year. I don't know who was injured for the Giants that game but the Giants just gave the game away. This was the theme last year time management. I'm just saying if I don't know what I'm talking about I don't say anything and in this case I observed enough to see what were the problems. Especially on this forum where people complained about clock management after the Patriots game as well. Giants and Time Management vs the Patriots. - ( New Window )

Can't agree more with you Heavy:
Coughlin knew that the defense was porous. That we couldn't establish a running game in any of our 4th quarter losses points to clock management issues. Those who can't see that are missing the trees and only see the forest.
If you can control the ball (by running down the clock to zero in the 4th quarter) we win at least 4 of those 7 4th quarter contests).

However, that being said, we had a poor right side of the OL, and poorer RB-by-committee talent. All of you who claim that Jennings is a talented RB, just recall the 14 total running yards he was only able to accumulate during the most important game (Wk. # 12 vs. the Skins for 1st place). Granted that we didn't run much and there was not much room to run, Jennings still did not make any yards by himself.
We still need to fortify ORT (and I'm pretty sure as it has been implied that our ORT is not on the team as yet). but Paul Perkins gives us something we didn't have last year. I.e., a RB who can get yardage on his own by utilizing his superior run vision, cutback abiliity, quickness, and ability to break tackles inside and take the ball outside. This is a talent that has been lacking on our team since Ahmad Bradshaw, if not Tiki Barber. Our collective stable of RBs since Bradshaw has been subpar.
Now, since we have the potential to run and an improved defense, maybe we can control the clock and hold on to some 4th quarter leads this year.

One things for certain; this offense is going to be much more creative, balanced as well as explosive under McAdoo than it ever was under Coughlin.

I'm excited, especially with CBS (Cruz, Beckham and Shephard) transmitting long-distance!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think 11-5 is quite doable depending on the injury situation which means avoiding many catastrophic injuries as in previous years. Giants need more depth at DB so I'm hoping some of those UFDAs come through.

I think we're due for some good luck.

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New HC.
New faces starting this year ... including some rookies probably (time to gel?).
Right side of OL line.


11-5 in 2017.

In comment 12947717 Bill L said:

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I like the Sgepard pick but a slot receiver, even a good one, is a modest improvement over Harris and doesn't fix the gaping chasm that even a sucky Randle left open.

Obviously Bill ... you are forgetting about "the Frenchman".

; ).

And forget all this crap about time mgmt and playcalling and decision msking -- just simply things and look at things like you a poker hand. The Giants simply didn't have enough "outs" on a weekly basis. They had to call a near perfect game and had to play near perfect football to win. Not enough outs.

2013 team was dreadful but played hard and didn't quit. Took advantage of some poor Qb play and somehow managed to win 7 games. In reality that 2013 team was all but barren-- devoid of game breaking talent. 7 wins was its ceiling. 3-4 wins was its floor.

2014 had beckham and a healthy JPP and not much else. Eli and the passing game resurrected itself despite a raw and shaky OL but one with more answers then the one that wrecked the 2013 season. The defense was awful with next to to long term solutions other than maybe JPP. That team's ceiling was 7 wins with a floor of 4 wins. They won 6.

2015 better more experienced OL with some weakness on the right side but overall not bad. Eli beckham did their thing again. But even before the injuries mounted the defense was always going to be a work in progress. As it turned out it was a complete disaster. Still, that 2015 team competed and had a ceiling of 9-10 wins with a floor or 5-6 wins. If it could go wrong it did- they won 6.

Things are looking up. This 2016 team will have an even higher ceiling this team will have more outs. I'll say the ceiling is 11 wins or so with a floor of 7-8 wins. Let's do this.