I am already tired of the EE hype. I have no idea how good this guy is but there are people who think he could put Dallas over the top this season. I still think their defense is questionable. If Dez and Romo come back healthy and with the addition of EE will they be able to replicate their 2014 success.
Also playing them early I think puts us at a disadvantage since we have so many new players and a new HC. We are typically a slow starting team and it may take us some games to jell.
They may not win 12 games this year but, 10 - 11 games maybe all a team needs to take the NFC East division.
Romo can't say healthy.
Bryant is coming off surgery.
Witten is old.
Their defense is highly suspect.
What makes them the team to beat?
It is anyone's race....in NFC East. I like my chances
Our problem has not been that the Cowboys are particularly good, but that we tend to beat ourselves when we play them. We've made some big improvements in the offseason and will field a healthy (knock on wood) team of actual starting caliber players this time around. Now if we can just manage the clock!
This is a team that really could go either way. But I just have to ask myself, are people ever going to hold this team accountable for earning the hype? Do they ever get tired of being wrong? Dallas has one winning year in the last six seasons. ONE.
I'm with you in not giving the GMen the benefit of the doubt, but what exactly has Dallas done to deserve it? A 4 win team that has finished above .500 once in the past six seasons is going to have to prove it before I start anointing them anything.
its wide open and i am EXCITED
Skins come back down to Earth a bit.
Eagles and Giants are wild cards with new HC's.
Too many things have to go right for the Giants to win Division over Dallas with healthy Romo and Dez.
I'd qualify it this far:
With a healthy Tony Romo: Perhaps.
Without a healthy Tony Romo: Definitely not.
Skins come back down to Earth a bit.
Eagles and Giants are wild cards with new HvC's.
Too many things have to go right for the Giants to win Division over Dallas with healthy Romo and Dez.
Based on what? Their defense is awful and what exactly makes you think Romo can stay healthy? For all the love their OL gets, they aren't very good in pass protection. I know people that love the Dallas hype don't like to admit it, but that vaunted OL is a main reason Romo can't stay healthy. But what else is new. The media and fans that follow their every word have been anointing Dallas as the favorites for the past 20 years. How's that worked out? I've never seen a team get so many passes, not even by the media, but opposing fans, as the Cowboys. I guess it's due to the media, but holy shit balls do opposing fans love them some Cowboys, even though they have won jack shit in decades.
They were 4-12 without Romo for most of the season but if he gets hurt again, it’s the same old same old. Head-to-Head, the Cowboys don’t scare me vs the Giants, but in a 16 game season, I still gotta give the edge to the Cowboys but if the problem was Coughlin and coaching (like many on BBI said) the Giants can be a playoff team. Then again, it is May. I’ll go on record as saying from a Cowboy perspective, I like their pick of Elliot at #4, but bring it…we got Damon Harrison and Jonathan Hankins!!!
It is anyone's race....in NFC East. I like my chances
I agree. I thought Ramsey was the best pick. Though EE was a solid pick. I don't see why any Giant fan should get in a tizzy over EE hype. Who cares? All we have to do is get into the playoffs.
How can anyone argue that the Cowboys aren't the team to beat when they have the best Vegas odds to win the division?
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I am sure EE is a very good RB....but McFadden and Morris are good....
It is anyone's race....in NFC East. I like my chances
I agree. I thought Ramsey was the best pick. Though EE was a solid pick. I don't see why any Giant fan should get in a tizzy over EE hype. Who cares? All we have to do is get into the playoffs.
How can anyone argue that the Cowboys aren't the team to beat when they have the best Vegas odds to win the division?
Look here, it's a newbie troll on another Cowboy thread, with minimal posts on Giant threads.
we both have our limits and weaknesses...
Us - LBs .... young 2ndary, 1/2 an OL
Dallas - Injury prone QB, no DEs for at least a 1/4 of the season. Offensive weapons a yr older and coming off injury.
The key to Dallas last year was Romo's health. It will be the key this year. Unfortunately, the guy is injured more and more each year. Last year, the Cowboys were 2-6 and people were worried they would win the division because they might have a healthy Tony Romo, and every comment assumes he will be healthy.
Now imagine if people said the Giants would be great on D if only Jon Beason could've stayed healthy? It is similar logic. Expecting Romo to stay healthy is fool's gold.
The key to Dallas last year was Romo's health. It will be the key this year. Unfortunately, the guy is injured more and more each year. Last year, the Cowboys were 2-6 and people were worried they would win the division because they might have a healthy Tony Romo, and every comment assumes he will be healthy.
Now imagine if people said the Giants would be great on D if only Jon Beason could've stayed healthy? It is similar logic. Expecting Romo to stay healthy is fool's gold.
You've got to be kidding? Beason?
If you are so confident Dallas will fold you have a great chance to make a ton of money in Vegas.
The just dissed the Giants, and couldn't help but drool all over themselves, talking about the Cowboys....
Last season, even with that dreadful defense, the Giants beat themselves, the Cowboys didn't, and they had Romo....
This conference is up for grabs...I don't think the Redskins repeat....Eagles are in a room without a door.....yes with Romo, Dez, Whitten and Double E, they will be strong on offense.....but I don't think Romo can be counted on for 16 games......and their defense has not improved.....
If things fall into place for this team, and it can avoid major injuries, this team can win the division....
It won't be easy.....new HC....new OC.....who will be the #2 WR? Can Perkins contribute right away? How long will it take for the defense to gel? Who will be the FS?
Soon, these questions will be answered....
Vegas odds are set by where Vegas thinks the money will be wagered, NOT based on which team they think is the best.
The just dissed the Giants, and couldn't help but drool all over themselves, talking about the Cowboys....
Last season, even with that dreadful defense, the Giants beat themselves, the Cowboys didn't, and they had Romo....
This conference is up for grabs...I don't think the Redskins repeat....Eagles are in a room without a door.....yes with Romo, Dez, Whitten and Double E, they will be strong on offense.....but I don't think Romo can be counted on for 16 games......and their defense has not improved.....
If things fall into place for this team, and it can avoid major injuries, this team can win the division....
It won't be easy.....new HC....new OC.....who will be the #2 WR? Can Perkins contribute right away? How long will it take for the defense to gel? Who will be the FS?
Soon, these questions will be answered....
Everything you is definitely true - but when it is all said and done- who is the favorite to win the division? Giants can win it. But who is favored to?
If say NYG are the realistic team to beat.
6 wins least year but 5 very close losses. Significant upgrades on defense, 2nd WR, and return to health of many important players.
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How can anyone argue that the Cowboys aren't the team to beat when they have the best Vegas odds to win the division?
Vegas odds are set by where Vegas thinks the money will be wagered, NOT based on which team they think is the best.
Then if you think they're wrong you can bet against where most of the money is going, okay?
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How can anyone argue that the Cowboys aren't the team to beat when they have the best Vegas odds to win the division?
Vegas odds are set by where Vegas thinks the money will be wagered, NOT based on which team they think is the best.
Then if you think they're wrong you can bet against where most of the money is going, okay?
You're missing the point. I didn't claim the Giants were the best team, not did I make any claim about how good or bad the Cowboys would be. I just stated a FACT that Vegas sets the odds based on where they think the money will be wagered and NOT based on which team they think is the best.
Same old story, injuries and the hot QB will determine fate of the division race.
I know we have to practice and get preseason game reps in, but I like our chances if we didn't...
Eagles have been pimped a lot, too. Not anymore because Chip screwed them and the Wentz trade will set them back for a few years.
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If Romo and Dez are healthy, they win the East.
Skins come back down to Earth a bit.
Eagles and Giants are wild cards with new HvC's.
Too many things have to go right for the Giants to win Division over Dallas with healthy Romo and Dez.
Based on what? Their defense is awful and what exactly makes you think Romo can stay healthy? For all the love their OL gets, they aren't very good in pass protection. I know people that love the Dallas hype don't like to admit it, but that vaunted OL is a main reason Romo can't stay healthy. But what else is new. The media and fans that follow their every word have been anointing Dallas as the favorites for the past 20 years. How's that worked out? I've never seen a team get so many passes, not even by the media, but opposing fans, as the Cowboys. I guess it's due to the media, but holy shit balls do opposing fans love them some Cowboys, even though they have won jack shit in decades.
Normally I agree . But healthy Dez and Romo with Elliot is 10+ wins. That OL will be better when they run the ball better, without Dez and Romo u stack the box and it's over.
They will be tough .
Eagles I can't see doing much and I think the redskins come back to earth a bit . Giants too many what if's to guess a finish.
EE might be great but Dallas still has a ton of question marks and some of those questions are of the critical variety. Giants have a few but a lot less than last year.
Philly will be terrible. Skins are on the fence with Dallas and NYG.
Any team outside of Philly could make an argument that they're the team to beat so it's kind of a pointless exercise. Of the four, I really like what the Giants have done and they can really make some noise if they stay healthy and the rookies produce.
It's any one of those teams division.
Skins. I think Cousins has hit his ceiling already. He's the second coming of Rex Grossman or McCown.
I think the Giants are.
3 operations on a shattered bone are not making it stronger. I don't see Romo him lasting the year again. There is going to be serious worry every time he drops back.
Who is playing DL. Carr & Claiborne scare no one. Scandrick coming back from major knee injury.
Dallas is going to have to grind out games, because they cant keep their D on the field not expose Romo
It is still a division where the teams are really close.
I think they're the best team in the division if Romo's healthy. If he starts 14-16 games, I think they win the division.
If I am a Dallas fan I am worried that Romo can no longer physically handle being knocked around in the pocket. I am also concerned that the defense is suspect.
The media loves to wax poetic about the Cowboys. It's always going to be that was...so get used to it. My guess is Dallas will be in the mix as long as Romo is behind center.
fairly certain that Witten will sign one-game contracts every year for the next decade when they play the Giants.
And then retire again after the game is over.
If Bridgewater takes that next step, I'd throw the Vikings in that group too. They've got a good, young D and spent the offseason revamping their OL which was arguably worse than the Giants last season. Throw in a good draft with Treadwell and Mackenzie Alexander and a still strong AP and they should win 10+ games. If Bridgewater can show some consistency in the passing game (particularly the deep game) with Diggs and Treadwell, they'll be battling GB for the division.
They might be the same age, but Romo's taken much more of a beating due to his style of play. Everyone here is calling the Dallas OL overrated for giving up a lot of sacks, but many of those, over the years, are on Romo. He'll hold the ball 5+ seconds waiting for something to develop and then try and run around to buy more time rather than just throwing it away.
A bad back + breaking his collarbone (twice?) can't be good for his arm strength.
Granted it would be fun watching Flowers manhandle Gregory again, but that Dallas D lacks a lot of talent.
None of the Giants injuries were as damaging as the Cowboys losing Romo.
I also think the Giants' collapses were more to do with fundamental flaws with the team (bad defense) than injuries.
If the defense can move up from dead last to even middle of the pack, they'll win the division. Eli is the difference.
That being said, I thought they completely overachieved to 12 wins in 2014. They are not as good as they looked that year and they are not as bad as they looked last year. They will definitely be in the mix to win the division but the Redskins and Giants are much improved from 2014.
I was very down on the Giants heading into 2015 and picked them to finish in the basement but that's over now.
Give me a decent warm body on the right side of the line and I'm ready to make some noise this year.
This team is much improved.
fuck those boys
Yeah. That was the worst thing ever. Snyder stopped trying to buy his way around the NFL. Now they're making the playoffs. We'll never again see Redskins fans proclaim, "We signed x-player to the fattest contract ever! We're going to the Super Bowl!" We'll never watch their tears at seasons end with a 4-12 record. We'll never laugh again when Redskins fans repeatedly forget the recent past and proclaim, "We signed x-player to the fattest contract ever! We're going to the Super Bowl!"
The Redskins just gave Josh Norman 5/$75M
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We'll never again see Redskins fans proclaim, "We signed x-player to the fattest contract ever! We're going to the Super Bowl!" We'll never watch their tears at seasons end with a 4-12 record. We'll never laugh again when Redskins fans repeatedly forget the recent past and proclaim, "We signed x-player to the fattest contract ever! We're going to the Super Bowl!"
The Redskins just gave Josh Norman 5/$75M
If I'm Spags week 1, I'm stacking the box and bringing heat. Make Romo prove he's back to 100% and still has "it".
I agree. Very aggravating when people use Vegas odds as evidence of the quality of a roster.
As for the cowboys specifically, how can they be the team to beat? Their QB is very likely to get re-injured. They improved none of their weaknesses outside of adding a very good RB. Their secondary should still be shitty. They aren't a significantly better team now than they were at the end of the season.
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Snyder stopped trying to run the show and know he has a good organization that makes good player personnel decisions. So they are a good team and should continue to be.
Yeah. That was the worst thing ever. Snyder stopped trying to buy his way around the NFL. Now they're making the playoffs. We'll never again see Redskins fans proclaim, "We signed x-player to the fattest contract ever! We're going to the Super Bowl!" We'll never watch their tears at seasons end with a 4-12 record. We'll never laugh again when Redskins fans repeatedly forget the recent past and proclaim, "We signed x-player to the fattest contract ever! We're going to the Super Bowl!"
Sadly, the Giants have replaced the skins with the FA bonanza. LOL
I think they're the best team in the division if Romo's healthy. If he starts 14-16 games, I think they win the division.
That's a meaningless statistic, given the relative parity in the NFC East. Hell, those four teams were the picture of mediocrity last season, and virtually indistinguishable from one another. Nobody had more narrow margins of defeat than the crappy Giants last year. Not to mention that, if not for multiple late brain farts in week one, the Giants would have swept Dallas. So I find it puzzling, especially after an offseason and draft in which they did so little that figures to immediately improve their team, how Dallas is considered a favorite in that division.
I’m a little iffy on the right side of the o-line still, despite what that Jerry troll says on here, I think Bobby Hart will be a starter week 1, if healthy. If the running game can be decent enough, we are smooth sailing. I said this before, that footage of romo with 7 or whatever it was full seconds to complete a pass causes to feel anxious, but remember we got OV!
SO yep, the Cowboys are a better team with Romo playing
Romo entirely shifts the structure of a game. The Giants were two games better with their QB in-tact.
I think Eli will have a big year if the line is "our current line" either way but I prefer him to not be under constant pressure from the tackle spot.
Romo entirely shifts the structure of a game. The Giants were two games better with their QB in-tact.
Okay, so we're supposed to take Romo's injury into account, but the fact that the Giants once again led the league in players missing games because of injury doesn't "entirely shift the structure of a game"? Got it.
On offense, we swapped Randle for Shepard, might get Cruz back and we added some playmakers into the competition at RB.
If we shore up the right side of the line? We can go far beyond just the East, IMO.
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What does the parity of the NFCE have to do with that statistic? Only two of those games were against NFCE opponents.
Romo entirely shifts the structure of a game. The Giants were two games better with their QB in-tact.
Okay, so we're supposed to take Romo's injury into account, but the fact that the Giants once again led the league in players missing games because of injury doesn't "entirely shift the structure of a game"? Got it.
Of course I never said that. Romo far outweighs any injury the Giants suffered. You should take both into account - and also learn how to read.
There have been 3 threads in the past few days discussing Dallas as the team to beat. Somebody is clearly penciling them in for something.
Heck, one guy here keeps using the fact they are the favorites to win the division by Vegas as some sort of lynchpin that they are the team to beat.
I do think people on this site are digging Romo's grave a little too early. Obviously the guy is no Eli Manning and fragile, but I'm not ready to call him dead yet.
Tony Romo is a very very good QB and pure arm strength/athleticism has never been what made him great. Sure he's athletic enough to move around the pocket but he's no Russ Wilson.
Dez looked awful last year. I'd definitely be concerned if I were a Boys fan. They rushed him back. I'm interested to see how he looks.
The '07 and '14 Cowboys were capable of winning it all. Outside of that, they've been just "pretty good" in the Romo era. I don't believe the '16 Boys can return to '14 Boys status, but I do think they have the chance to be a playoff team with a shot if things go right for them health-wise.
We probably overrate the Giants chances (self-included - I'd put us as a close second too win the division).
Here's a fact.
Last year without their QB and suffering through a 4-12 season Dallas had the THREE highest rated games on TV in the NFL last year.
That's not just Dallas fan's watching, it's ALL of America watching. Look back at previous years and Dallas can be seen at the top of the ratings, year after year.
You may not think Dallas is "Americas" team, but the ratings say otherwise.
P.S. With a healthy Romo Dallas wins the east, without Romo Dallas doesn't. It's that simple.
Yeah, about that? Got something to confess?
Programs like Duke and Notre Dame consistently come in at lower odds because of expected money bet on them.
Cowboys, Lakers, Yankees, Manchester United are a few other teams that this consistently happens with as well.
We probably overrate the Giants chances (self-included - I'd put us as a close second too win the division).
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I feel relatively positive about the Giants chances this year. But I do think highly of a healthy Cowboys team. I can see both hitting double digit wins if things really break right for them.
Points well taken, especially your reminder that the Giants have a shitty record against division foes for three years running. The Giants may indeed be going into this season with the most to prove out of all the teams in the division. But there's no denying the fact that Dallas has consistently been the most over-rated team in the NFC East, from post-draft through the preseason, for at least a decade running. I look at them right now and, despite their OL being a strength, I see a team about as fragile as Romo's collarbone, on both sides of the ball. People on this board, it seems to me, are once again being way too deferential to them, and I just don't agree with their reasoning.
On the other hand- and I don't mean this as a swipe at Tom Coughlin- the Giants are a team that seems to have a fresh wind blowing through it, with a new coach who, with the reins now firmly in his hands, just might be able to put one of the elite offenses in the game on the field this year. Combine that with the "on-paper" personnel improvements on defense, and I don't see what there is to prevent me from picking the Giants to win a division title this year.
Of course, we're just talking here. And I once heard a damn good coach say "Talk is cheap. Play the game."
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is not the Cowboys! It is simply a term used by irrationally exuberant fans to say the Cowboys will win the SB every year! The team and there chances of competing for the NFCE do not impress me. JJ is akin to Al Davis and his ego when it comes to running the team, he thinks he is all wise, knows all the answers and is smarter than everyone else. The 1st pick, #4, EE is the ultimate hype pick. EE could turn out to be a stud but, Ohio State only played against 3 teams that were ranked and he was shut-down by the 1st ranked team they played. Having him doesn't hurt Dallas, it was just too early for a RB at #4 with the deficiencies on the team. Then, inexplicably, they use a 6th rd pick, #216, on another RB, go figure. JS, at #34, is a very, very questionable pick if Dallas really expected to compete for the playoffs this year. They drafted a DT in rd# 3, a QB rd #4, a CB and S in rd #6. Not moves that inspire confidence when you look at where the team wound-up last year. Last but not least, Romo, 36, has been injured and required surgeries numerous times, anyone expecting him to be "Tony of old" drank too much kool-aid. Dallas draft grade=C. I have the Giants winning the NFC-East, followed by Washington, Dallas and Philly, in that order. The Giants should win the division with an 11-5 record.
Here's a fact.
Last year without their QB and suffering through a 4-12 season Dallas had the THREE highest rated games on TV in the NFL last year.
That's not just Dallas fan's watching, it's ALL of America watching. Look back at previous years and Dallas can be seen at the top of the ratings, year after year.
You may not think Dallas is "Americas" team, but the ratings say otherwise.
P.S. With a healthy Romo Dallas wins the east, without Romo Dallas doesn't. It's that simple.
I've never seen a fan base take such pride in a stupid fucking nickname that was more a marketing gimmick than anything. NFL films was building a brand...Dallas was an exciting team and they ran with it. IT stuck. Even when Dallas is terrible you can always hang your hat on being America's team.... Hey whatever keeps you happy at night, but just because something is popular with the masses doesn't make it special. Applebees is popular too.
Dallas sucked fucking balls last year. 4 and fucking 12. That's not bad. That's fucking terrible. Make peace with that.
Dallas sucked fucking balls last year. 4 and fucking 12. That's not bad. That's fucking terrible. Make peace with that.
To your point: When you have the so-called "best OL in football", a running game and multiple weapons on offense, 4-12 is simply not explained away by missing your starting QB. That team is over-fucking-rated.