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What's Your Biggest Concern With The Giants?

gidiefor : Mod : 5/11/2016 8:18 am
Now that the first part of Free Agency and the Draft is over this off-season - what is your biggest concern going into the 2016 Season?

As for myself, I think the FO has done a pretty good job adding pieces to the Defensive Line and Backfield, took a stab a linebacker that remains to be seen, has taken a credible step to adding a piece to both the WR & RB corps, took a stab at TE, and as we all know they have not really taken much of a swing at the tight side of the Offensive line.

I am concerned about depth, the right side of the Offensive line, I am also concerned with injuries and how the new coaching staff will do.

The right side of the Oline was an issue that didn't stop the Offense from producing last year and the Offense was given a few new weapons. They arguably have replaced Ruben Randle with Sterling Sheppard, and they have added a new RB that may help eclipse last year's running game. Eric Flowers has a year of experience under his belt- and a year in a professional training regime and presumably will improve.

Since you can't put marquis talent at every position, it is apparent to me that besides the talent, coaching is the single biggest factor in having a successful team, and successful team chemistry. The Coaching staff's ability to coach up and game plan, their ability to keep the team involved and buying into the product they put on the field. When players go down they have to send in the replacements and continue to field a team. The teams that make it to the Superbowl all have strong coaching behind them to make a difference in their product. So while I feel positive about the coaching changes they are still a big unknown.

I am also concerned with the Giants injury rash of the past three years. The team has been decimated with injuries - will there be less injuries this year - and can the new PT staff make a difference, or is it the Giant's facilities themselves that is the problem?

So what is your biggest concern - The Offensive Line, The Coaching Staff, Injuries, Depth, Linebackers, TEs or something else?

Right side of OL  
bc4life : 5/11/2016 8:23 am : link
and health. Safety position is a distant third.
Injuries  
I Love Clams Casino : 5/11/2016 8:24 am : link
.....what else?

hope that Wellman knows what he's doing
Depth  
Carthonfan : 5/11/2016 8:27 am : link
Is a major issue on O. If they lose any of their top 7 or 8 offensive starters at QB, WR, or Oline this could be a long season.

A major issue on D for the first month will be gelling new players. The talent is upgraded but this defensive team has never played together. I think they will have this sorted out by October, but what will their record be in September? Can they pull off two wins?
That  
AcidTest : 5/11/2016 8:31 am : link
all the new players won’t mesh fast enough to prevent some more close losses. Chemistry is underrated. From a strategic standpoint, it would be that we apparently still don’t have a LB who can cover TEs.
Right Side of the OL  
Reb8thVA : 5/11/2016 8:31 am : link
and OL depth is one of my biggest concerns. The right side of the OL may not have prevented the offense from producing but I think an argument can be made that it did prevent them from winning games when the needed to grind out the clock on offense and could not.

Despite the FA acquisitions, the defense still has to be a question mark until proven otherwise. Will Vernon turn out to b everything the team expects? Will JPP prove that he can be effective even with a mangled hand. Can the defense close out he game.

Its always exciting to have a new coaching staff.However there is going to be a lot of uncertainty. Is McAdoo really ready for this responsibility

Lastly, can we beat the fuckin Eagles. It seems to me that as long as we continue to lose to the Eagles twice year on a routine basis, it will be hard to make the playoffs let alone win the division

Despite the #8 offense  
section125 : 5/11/2016 8:32 am : link
the right side of the oline is my biggest concern, closely followed by the overall defense. Many new players, but how long does it take to gel with that many changes.
RE: That  
section125 : 5/11/2016 8:34 am : link
In comment 12953307 AcidTest said:
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From a strategic standpoint, it would be that we apparently still don’t have a LB who can cover TEs.


Nobody has LBs that can cover TEs.
Aside from injuries  
Jay in Toronto : 5/11/2016 8:35 am : link
of course, ironically the DL.

How will the new guys perform? How are Hankins, OO and JPP post-injury?

A high proportion of unknowns.
Still the defense  
jeff57 : 5/11/2016 8:37 am : link
The quality of the LBs, despite Vernon the ability to generate a pass rush, and depth at DT.
RE: Right side of OL  
chris r : 5/11/2016 8:40 am : link
In comment 12953293 bc4life said:
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and health. Safety position is a distant third.


Why health? All teams have health risks so on average it shouldn't be a concern competitively.
safety  
chris r : 5/11/2016 8:40 am : link
Right side of OL. DL depth.

In that order.
The defense  
joeinpa : 5/11/2016 8:41 am : link
For the past two seasons we have watched. Defense that is defenseless. A defense that we knew without a doubt would not get a stop with the game on the line. Tough to watch.

They have new players we will see if the results are better.
As always,  
Big Blue '56 : 5/11/2016 8:42 am : link
health..Non-record setting injuries
That Spags is happy.  
Shadow : 5/11/2016 8:42 am : link
:)
I'm less concerned about the OL than most  
jcn56 : 5/11/2016 8:43 am : link
I really would have liked to see a FA RT (laugh it up), but if Solari thinks he can get by with this bunch, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Honestly - in terms of concern:

WR - it's still OBJ, an uncertain Victor Cruz, Harris and rookies. I'm excited at the possibility of Shepard being Steve Smith II, but that's a lot to ask of a guy who hasn't taken an NFL snap. For right now, the only known quantity is OBJ.

DE - JPP, Vernon, ... and I mean ... OO is practically a rookie, and there's nothing else. Would really like to add another body there, even if it's nobody spectacular.

TE - Eli is at his best when he has a functioning TE. Again - some promise from the rookies here, but in terms of what we really have, it's Tye and more ...

Otherwise, I think we're much improved on the roster end this year over last, and I'm hoping that we have some health/luck on our side.
ALL teams can use more depth  
Big Blue '56 : 5/11/2016 8:43 am : link
and a fix in some area
RE: As always,  
chris r : 5/11/2016 8:44 am : link
In comment 12953330 Big Blue '56 said:
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health..Non-record setting injuries


Again, why health, unless you think the Giants are likely to have more injuries than the average team which implies you believe they're still doing something wrong strength and conditioning wise.
Unproven Head Coach  
PEEJ : 5/11/2016 8:45 am : link
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I have to admit that I am not as concerned with the  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/11/2016 8:47 am : link
defense for the coming season. Unless they all collapse and are put on IR. I think the FO has added at least 5 key pieces to the Defense - and that adding to the Line and the Backfield they way they did will make a critical difference to the season. If combined this group can make one or two more key stops a game that will go a long way to helping the Giants out. Snacks may be my favorite Giants addition in many years -- I think that dude is going to be the difference, and Vernon is a much better player than Ayres -- so you have two big upgrades there. They were paid dearly for -- but they represent upgrades. With Prince gone adding two premium CBs to the mix was also huge. While the FS position isn't sorted out yet -- there is reason to hope that it will be with the drafting of Thompson.

No, in my opinion, the defense should be improved over last year - and while we haven't seen them play yet -- I think the moves were mostly very smart well-calculated moves that should have an impact.
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BleedBlue : 5/11/2016 8:47 am : link
I am not as worried as some on here, but there are a couple things that could hurt us.
1. Right side of Oline, if I'm Reese I am doing what I have to do to sure up the right side so guys like newhouse and jerry or hart provide good depth. a trade for davis or joeckel would be really nice. Maybe a solid june 1st cut.
2. i feel that guys like hankins and OO will bounce back from injury. OO is still a question mark but hankins will return to form. hoping one of the UDFA becomes a solid 4th or 5th DE as we could use some DL depth
3. the chemistry is something that needs work but i have no doubt it will be there come opening day.
I have a lot less question marks about the defense than I did going into last season. I think we really filled a ton of holes this offseason and I think we are going to get a lot of contribution from the draft class. you could see 4 of the 6 making immediate impacts on the field.
the fans  
UConn4523 : 5/11/2016 8:48 am : link
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RE: the fans  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/11/2016 8:53 am : link
In comment 12953349 UConn4523 said:
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UConn -- trying to be funny - or do you have a legitimate concern -- if so what is it?
Having to face  
aceinthehouse : 5/11/2016 8:54 am : link
Josh Norman and the Redskins twice a year.
We might as well concede.
RE: I have to admit that I am not as concerned with the  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/11/2016 8:56 am : link
In comment 12953344 gidiefor said:
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defense for the coming season.


Btw -- before FA and the Draft the defense was my number one concern -- WR was my second biggest concern, so the Giants have, with their moves, effectively shifted my focus
OL and pass rush  
Greg from LI : 5/11/2016 8:58 am : link
Same as last year
The inevitable day when Beckham gets hurt.  
wigs in nyc : 5/11/2016 8:58 am : link
Yeesh, I really don't even like thinking about it.
Gents  
Dragon : 5/11/2016 9:03 am : link
We don't know anything at this point are there still questions for sure but as of today we made some additions and subtractions. We started the year with maybe seven NFL quality players that number may have doubled can't say tripled. How will the new coaching staff adjust, learn and improve the players will be something to watch also. The roster today is most likely not the final one we will see on opening day let's not try and assume anything at this point.
Primarily injuries!  
mavric : 5/11/2016 9:04 am : link
We have been decimated with injuries for 3 years straight while leading the league in injuries. We can't right the ship if we have half the starters off the field each week.

As far as positions go, I'd really like to see the Giants find a quality LB in free agency. I don't think our LB crew is as bad as some make it out to be, but adding a high quality veteran would really shore things up in a hurry.

Getting nit-picky here, but I'd love to have another high motor defensive end to add to the mix.

I'm really not worried about the right side of the offensive line which has been much maligned. It would be nice to add a stud RT, but they don't grow on trees and even if we mortgaged the farm to bring in a big name, the improvement would probably be negligible to the average fan. It's not worth flushing our luxury cap space down the crapper IMO
RG/RT of the Oline.  
Giant John : 5/11/2016 9:08 am : link
I don't see that it is even debatable. Our QB is getting older. Protect him. Lets have an Oline that can blow people away. Would it be nice to consistently convert 3rd and 2 in the fourth quarter?
RE: RE: the fans  
UConn4523 : 5/11/2016 9:08 am : link
In comment 12953354 gidiefor said:
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UConn -- trying to be funny - or do you have a legitimate concern -- if so what is it?


Mostly trying to be funny. To answer the question at hand and taking things like health out of the equation since every team wants to be healthy, i'd say my biggest concern would be moving the focal point of the offense away from Beckham. Whether that's with a better run game, or Cruz/Shepard stepping up, i'd like to rely less on our best player.

That doesn't mean less targets or less production, it mainly means that someone has to capitalize on all the chances Randle had last year.

Actual positions I don't get hung up on. Its easy to sit back and say right side of the OL or FS is a concern but I just don't know. Players step up all the time for various teams and every year you hear "wow, how did this guy last until the 6th round?". Camp should be fun this year.
My concerns in order  
USAF NYG Fan : 5/11/2016 9:09 am : link
1) Health/Injuries: They've done a lot in the off-season to try and improve this as it's been the biggest problem for the team IMHO (i.e. releasing injury prone players, signing healthy players, change in S&C Coach and philosophy, etc.). However, they implemented a lot of things last year during the off-season (i.e. GPS, rest day, etc) and it didn't seem to help. Despite the changes there is still a LB and FS core filled with often injured players (exception to the draftees).

2) Inexperience: The team seems to be the youngest I've seen it in many years (I could be wrong). New HC with only 2 years as an OC, new OC, several other new coaches, DC in his 2nd year, lot's of FA (new) players on defense, and many draft picks (UDFA included). Rookies that will probably be needed to play big roles in an unfamiliar system at the next level.

Note on both 1) and 2); The whole team feels almost brand new or has a question mark hanging over their head. There are only a few notable exceptions; Eli, OBJ, DRC, Pugh, Richburg, etc.

3) OL: It's kind of the one big need they couldn't get filled thus far. I'm not disappointed that it didn't get filled because they filled many other needs. Most disagree but I really would have loved a good to great LT to move Flowers to the RT. Flowers would beast the hell out of the right side of the line to open some great running lanes. The depth on the OL scares me a bit as well but then again, there are depth concerns all of the roster really. This concern is at the bottom for me because, since they still haven't pushed too hard to address it, the team doesn't seem too concerned. I'm not sure if they have a plan to improve the line or intend to work around the limitations.
Aside from injuries, which cant be controlled  
gmen9892 : 5/11/2016 9:14 am : link
The right-side of the OL unless someone is brought in. I think the OL as currently constructed can get by passing the ball in this offense, but running the ball might still be a problem.

For the most part though, Reese was looking to fix the defense, which I believe he has, and he also added a solid RB, WR, and TE to the mix on offense. One more solid offseason, and this team will be good to go from top to bottom.
#1. OL DEPTH  
x meadowlander : 5/11/2016 9:16 am : link
#2 TEAM HEALTH (See #1)


Whatever they roll out for the opening day O-Line will be adequate, be it with Jerry/Newhouse or a variation that uses Pugh at RT - whatever - it will be good enough.

BIG RED FLAG if one or 2 linemen go down injured.

If this team can't score points, we'll have very high draft picks next May.
Injuries.....is my biggest concern  
George from PA : 5/11/2016 9:16 am : link
We have no major holes....in spots that would be tough to find (QB, DE, Corner, #1WR) and still have cap space to address any other needs. We will resolve RT.....

But if we do not change being the worse injured team......we can not over come that
RE: Unproven Head Coach  
Motley Two : 5/11/2016 9:19 am : link
In comment 12953340 PEEJ said:
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This by a long shot.
in order  
mdc1 : 5/11/2016 9:19 am : link
- oline, specifically right side
- Eli age
- organizational dysfunction, bungling of the first round pick this past draft
- transitioning from a loser mentality to a winning mentality. Do our players have the will and has our front office selected talent that is durable.
- is MacAdoo really ready to be an HC?
Main concern  
PaulN : 5/11/2016 9:22 am : link
Is if this collection of players turn into a team. We have lacked leadership for a while now, Coughlin was like a father figure, and he could be counted on to pull them all together, despite the lack of talent, tom had a team. Can this unit lead by McAdoo develop into a team?

Despite the improvements we don't know how this will start, if they win a couple of games then lose a few tough ones, how will they react? If they start off terrible, how will they react?

I am not sure how talented this team is, but I am more concerned with the leadership on this team then anything. There will be tough times, that is a fact, so time will tell if this team comes together and has what it takes, talent became a huge problem here, now leadership is going to be tested out and we just don't know if and how much we have.
Gotta like what happened in the offseason  
Glover : 5/11/2016 9:26 am : link
Last year's worst defense will be better this year.
The offense was good last year, and they will be good again this year. If Cruz can stay healthy and return to something close to his previous form, they will be a lot better, with Sterling Sheppard as a 3rd weapon. I like Will Tye, but if this Adams guy can play, that would be great too.
I am not thrilled about Newhouse and Jerry as most here also are not, but I am hopeful like some that Bobby Hart can be an improvement at RT.
I am a little worried about their ability to run the ball, since the R side of the line is a weak link, but I think McAdoo won't repeat what happened last season with rotating Jennings, Williams, and Darkwa to the point where no one got a rhythm running the ball. Hopefully Williams is cut and Jennings gets the majority of snaps and Darkwa or Perkins spell him.

The defense and offense being better of course is still dependent on reducing the outrageous amount of injuries. Hopefully that will be the area of the most improvement for the Giants moving forward.
RT  
ZGiants98 : 5/11/2016 9:27 am : link
Giants finally catch a break with injuries this year. JPP has a monster year.
Injuries  
ij_reilly : 5/11/2016 9:33 am : link
I believe that the injury problems of the last several years are systemic in nature, and not "bad luck". The depth has not been good, and combined with the injury problem, the Giants have been at a huge competitive disadvantage.

The roster has improved in quality. Of course there are holes and depth issues remain. I think the Giants might be more of a middle-of-the-pack team right now in terms of overall talent and depth. If the injury plague continues next year, the Giants will effectively be, once again, at the bottom of the league in terms of talent and depth that is available to play.

If the new strength and conditioning regime can get the Giants to at least middle-of-the-pack in terms of injuries, then the Giants are a competitive team. With Eli, I believe anything is possible. We've seen it with two Super Bowl wins (and MVP awards).

If the Giants have a real change in the injury situation, Giant football in December will once again be exciting and meaningful.

It sucks when the season ends in November (or earlier).

I'm no expert, but that's the simple way I see it.
Optimistic  
Gints57 : 5/11/2016 9:33 am : link
I'm an incorrigible optimist, but I have a feeling a bit of good fortune is our due this year. Loved the draft and our free agent acquisitions and the law of averages says we enjoy better health this season. Put that together with a relatively pedestrian division and there's no reason why we can't achieve the playoffs. By that time our youngsters should be up to full speed and we know what Eli (the one who throws the football) can do with a hot hand. That's all you can ask for -- a shot at the big games. I have higher hopes than some on here that Cruz comes back to some semblance of his past. Trio of Beckham, Cruz and Shephard could be very special. I like Tye and Adams as a combo as well. I'll take offensive line as biggest potential downside.
Health, OL...  
Sec 103 : 5/11/2016 9:36 am : link
Luck... Hope we have some positive luck this year.
First injuries.  
pjcas18 : 5/11/2016 9:36 am : link
then OL depth in general. Pugh has a concussion history, the right side can be upgraded and has no depth other than Hart and he's a big unknown.

Then #2 WR. Hate counting on rookies and can't count on Cruz.

Then FS, maybe the FS is on the roster, maybe not need someone to fill that role

then LB, still an underwhelming LB group and not much drop off from the best to the worst.

then TE still have all UDFA TE's and 6th round pick Jerell Adams

then coaching. Who knows what kind of HC McAdoo will make

that's it.


OL  
Giants : 5/11/2016 9:38 am : link
OL and OL
My biggest worry?  
ArcadeSlumlord : 5/11/2016 9:39 am : link
That McAdoo shits the bed in his first year. We have stock piled the roster after it looking like a Div2 squad last season. Go Big Blue!
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Pascal4554 : 5/11/2016 9:48 am : link
O-Line...hoping the defensive will be much improved with the new pieces...
Biggest? Health. Other Concerns Too.  
Trainmaster : 5/11/2016 9:49 am : link
1) Health. 3 years in a row leading in injuries is very, very unlikely to be bad luck / coincidence. We changed the strength and conditioning coach (and the head coach), but I believe our "crack medical staff" remains.

2) Right side of the OL. My only guesses are: 1) they fully expect a vet to shake free after June 1st or 2) they will employ a very quick, short passing game where the right side of the OL will matter less.

3) LBs. Will we still see receivers, TEs and RBs running wild in the middle of the field?

4) First year HC. Does he have what it takes?
In order  
dep026 : 5/11/2016 9:52 am : link
1. RT/RG
2. #2 WR
3. FS
4. TE/blocking
5. Head Coach
RE: First injuries.  
dep026 : 5/11/2016 9:52 am : link
In comment 12953451 pjcas18 said:
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then OL depth in general. Pugh has a concussion history, the right side can be upgraded and has no depth other than Hart and he's a big unknown.

Then #2 WR. Hate counting on rookies and can't count on Cruz.

Then FS, maybe the FS is on the roster, maybe not need someone to fill that role

then LB, still an underwhelming LB group and not much drop off from the best to the worst.

then TE still have all UDFA TE's and 6th round pick Jerell Adams

then coaching. Who knows what kind of HC McAdoo will make

that's it.



Holy hell, I didnt read yours before posting. Nice job.
New Head Coach, New OffCo, suspect DefCo  
Victor in CT : 5/11/2016 9:55 am : link
right side of OL, LBs, TE, running game, melding of a lot of new parts.

Not much other than that ;-)
That the deal with the Devil has not been paid in full yet  
AnnapolisMike : 5/11/2016 10:02 am : link
The Giants need a little good fortune with injuries.

Out side of the that....Seeing that a new coaching staff is able to create a decent team out of all the new pieces that have been acquired. Will the performance of the team exceed the sum of the parts or will it fall short. We have all seen Philly, Dallas and Washington acquire lots of shiny new parts only to have it all fail spectacularly.
Resource allocation  
Go Terps : 5/11/2016 10:15 am : link
We are all in on what I'd consider to be questionable investments in Vernon, Jenkins, and to a lesser extent JPP. Good players (in Jenkins's case I'm not even sure that's the case) being paid like great players and cornerstones.

I'm concerned that the front office may be trying to recreate past successes whose sustainability is questionable, as opposed to focusing on a longer term comprehensive plan for building the team through and beyond the remaining Eli years.
'What's Your Biggest Concern With The Giants?'...  
Torrag : 5/11/2016 10:32 am : link
...the right side of the offensive line.

At RT Newhouse talent level is strictly a backup swing tackle and at RG Jerry's play vacillates between JAG and total bum.

Eli was consistently harassed, moved off his spot in the pocket and under duress delivering the football. His ability to get the ball out quickly and maneuver compensated to a degree for some of the pass protection problems on the right side.

Factor in their total inability to establish a consistent running attack and it's clear the talent there must be upgraded.

I'm praying Reese isn't bamboozled by last seasons low 'sack' numbers into thinking this offense can reach it's full potential with these slags starting.

There is still time and several players potentially available to address the problem.
RT  
adamg : 5/11/2016 10:35 am : link
Newhouse can't push for those redzone runs. We definitely could use (need) a RT who can run block for those short yardage situations.
RE: RE: First injuries.  
pjcas18 : 5/11/2016 10:37 am : link
In comment 12953488 dep026 said:
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In comment 12953451 pjcas18 said:


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then OL depth in general. Pugh has a concussion history, the right side can be upgraded and has no depth other than Hart and he's a big unknown.

Then #2 WR. Hate counting on rookies and can't count on Cruz.

Then FS, maybe the FS is on the roster, maybe not need someone to fill that role

then LB, still an underwhelming LB group and not much drop off from the best to the worst.

then TE still have all UDFA TE's and 6th round pick Jerell Adams

then coaching. Who knows what kind of HC McAdoo will make

that's it.





Holy hell, I didnt read yours before posting. Nice job.


LOL, probably typing at the same time. I read the thread after posting my list too and it seems a lot of people are hitting the same things.
I think it has to be 2 things  
Sy'56 : 5/11/2016 10:39 am : link
First off is rarely talked about...and that is the head coach. Nobody can say McAdoo is incapable...but nobody can say he can do what a head coach needs to do to lead a team. I think the continuity will be a good thing but at the end of the day...he is very unproven as a head coach.

Secondly...the depth on the OL is worrisome. You have to assume, law of averages-wise, a couple injuries will arise at some point. The backup OL on this team are not good. Sure you can say most franchises around the league can say the same thing...but I've looked up and down every depth chart in the league so many times over the past year...NYG has a bottom 8 (at best) backup group of OL.
RE: 'What's Your Biggest Concern With The Giants?'...  
Big Blue '56 : 5/11/2016 10:41 am : link
In comment 12953561 Torrag said:
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...the right side of the offensive line.

At RT Newhouse talent level is strictly a backup swing tackle and at RG Jerry's play vacillates between JAG and total bum.

Eli was consistently harassed, moved off his spot in the pocket and under duress delivering the football. His ability to get the ball out quickly and maneuver compensated to a degree for some of the pass protection problems on the right side.

Factor in their total inability to establish a consistent running attack and it's clear the talent there must be upgraded.

I'm praying Reese isn't bamboozled by last seasons low 'sack' numbers into thinking this offense can reach it's full potential with these slags starting.

There is still time and several players potentially available to address the problem.


Certainly the right side could stand some upgrading and perhaps they believe Hart is part of that upgrade. But we can take solice in the fact that Eli's sack numbers or lack thereof were indeed based on decent to good line play and his ability to maneuver out lf danger..Unless you believe all CONTENDING teams have near perfect OLs, then THEIR QBs abilities to manueuver and avoid "danger" also help their OLs flawed productions. It's not JUST the Giants. It's most if not ALL CONTENDING teams..That's what is..
In other words,  
Big Blue '56 : 5/11/2016 10:42 am : link
flawed production is everywhere and the better QBs almost always help to make their OLs look better. It's NOT just indigenous to the Giants
For me it's all about the coach ...  
DonQuixote : 5/11/2016 10:46 am : link
We have so many new players...are the right personnel decisions being made, are players improving more than players on other teams, are they being used effectively together. This is all on coaching and we can be optimistic, but a lot of that hope is very uncertain.

One thing I will say, it seems like this has been a very purposeful off season. To me it seems the Giants are rebuilding in a smart way ...
Big picture  
JonC : 5/11/2016 10:52 am : link
I agree with Terps. But, if I dwell on it it makes it difficult to actually enjoy a football season. If things do not improve, there will be big changes at the top by the time Eli retires, and a teardown will follow.

On the field, I'm concerned about Mcadoo as the unproven head coach, the right side of the OL, and seeing a culture of winning: consistency, crisp performances, and a "just being here isn't good enough" attitude to become infectious.
i'm just sick and tired of playing and losing to Dallas opening day  
gtt350 : 5/11/2016 10:54 am : link
and always and away game.
My concerns and solutions  
ANGPASS : 5/11/2016 10:56 am : link
-OL Depth - Solution: Sign Jahri Evans
-DL Depth - Solution: Pray
-RB has too much depth that another 4 rb committee is very likely - Solution: Ride Jenning early on and the feature back with vereen. Bring in perkins in the second half of the year to phase out Jennings
-Rookie head coach -Solution: Remember he is a rookie HC
-DB Depth. After the top 3 guys, we have a bunch of guinea pigs for opposing qbs to pick on. - Solution: Sign Leon hall)
The Giants  
JPinstripes : 5/11/2016 10:59 am : link
bottomed out last year IMHO, especially defensively.

They have made significant upgrades to the roster and should get a better performance from unclubbed JPP.

With that said, several questions remain and first is the right side of the OL, better players are needed - period. Also, another VET DE would be nice, someone like FA Jason Jones from Detroit would be a great add now.

rigth side of the OL  
Phil in LA : 5/11/2016 11:02 am : link
and if Spags can still be a successful DC even after the huge talent upgrade. Also, getting a little concerned about player decisions vis-a-vis the new coaches.
A few...  
Bluesbreaker : 5/11/2016 11:07 am : link
#1 is easy HEALTH especially Manning & Beckham or any
Offensive Line Starter .
#2 Big FA Acquisitions Need to Impact on Defense
#3 Draft Picks Have Produce Early and Bump There Way
into Starting Roles .

Does Ben Mcadoo have the Ability to Motivate the
Entire ? Team TC Fathered the Team and got the Most
out of some Borderline NFL Players .
Parcells the Great Button Pusher .
I have some Doubts of him more or less his demeanor
Many times when the camera panned to him he seemed
like he was searching for answers . I don't doubt
his knowledge but wonder of his in-game management .

I am Excited more this year than ever with a fresh
start and Look . On Paper a Decent draft that
I don't Quite think it fell perfectly for us
and The Biggest One Would be Apple any Pick at #10
should be a Pro-Bowl Player or Close to It.
I'm with Gidie  
Gregorio : 5/11/2016 11:09 am : link
in his primary concern for the coaching staff. Specifically, whether they can effectively develop these young players into NFL starters.

My next concern is whether the Oline can force their will and establish an effective run game.
Where do i start /  
shabu : 5/11/2016 11:12 am : link
Giants drafts have sucked and they had to overpay in FA to fill holes, a strategy proved to NOT work in the NFL.

Rookie HC

Nothing solid at MLB other than an injury prone player

Offensive Line depth.

No weapon opposite OBJ

Too many what if's

Can Newhouse and Jerry hold down right side of line ?
Can Cruz come back and be good ?
Can the coaching staff get it done ?
JPP will he be able to tackle ?
Veronon ? Will he reach double digit sacks as the primary guy ?
Where will Eli Apple play and why didn't we get an obvious day 1 starter at 10 ?

Will injuries improve ?
RE: A few...  
shabu : 5/11/2016 11:14 am : link
In comment 12953631 Bluesbreaker said:
Quote:
#1 is easy HEALTH especially Manning & Beckham or any
Offensive Line Starter .
#2 Big FA Acquisitions Need to Impact on Defense
#3 Draft Picks Have Produce Early and Bump There Way
into Starting Roles .

Does Ben Mcadoo have the Ability to Motivate the
Entire ? Team TC Fathered the Team and got the Most
out of some Borderline NFL Players .
Parcells the Great Button Pusher .
I have some Doubts of him more or less his demeanor
Many times when the camera panned to him he seemed
like he was searching for answers . I don't doubt
his knowledge but wonder of his in-game management .

I am Excited more this year than ever with a fresh
start and Look . On Paper a Decent draft that
I don't Quite think it fell perfectly for us
and The Biggest One Would be Apple any Pick at #10
should be a Pro-Bowl Player or Close to It.


Well said. My questions are similar however, one thing is true its going to be one hell of an interesting season.

Lots of "storylines" to play out, New HC, Cruz, JPP, big FAs signed
The Running game  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 5/11/2016 11:17 am : link
Not the line so much. I want to run the ball better.
I'm far less concerned about the offensive line than most people are.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/11/2016 11:36 am : link
My main concerns are still the LB positions and free safety.

Goodson was praised widely draft weekend by the TV "experts", but I still worry about the Giants sideline to sideline ability with their LBs and most importantly, their coverage ability.

While the talent level might be improved at free safety, they still have a complete and total lack of experience.
That we're going to beat teams by so much  
Randy in CT : 5/11/2016 11:38 am : link
that it won't even be fun anymore.
RE: That we're going to beat teams by so much  
mavric : 5/11/2016 11:42 am : link
In comment 12953694 Randy in CT said:
Quote:
that it won't even be fun anymore.


Good one - spewed coffee out my nose. Thanks a lot!
OL, safety and linebacker  
Giants2012 : 5/11/2016 11:47 am : link
.
Going by BBI threads and comments which are the best source  
Patrick77 : 5/11/2016 11:49 am : link
Concern list:

1. If someone is hitting on the players wives at work what legal or violent action they should do?
2. Should players circumcise their kid or have them forever be teased and feel weird whilst comparing their junk to their dad's
3. If there are serious injustices between the fat linemen and the thin skill positions and the thin privileges the skill positions enjoy
4. How will anyone know if they played well without Ray Lewis breaking down their play on tv?
5. Would Ghandi approve of the racial complexion of the current roster?
6. Does anyone like the Irish people and should they be tolerated anywhere?

Biggest concern? Health, same as always.  
Klaatu : 5/11/2016 11:51 am : link
After that, the O-Line - RG, RT, and depth.
OL and DL  
Rick in Dallas : 5/11/2016 11:53 am : link
You win games controlling the LOS on both offense and defense. Old school BABY!!!.
The entire offensive line. We're pretty thin as it is,  
barens : 5/11/2016 11:54 am : link
And they are one injury away from something disastrous, and Pugh and Flowers were knicked up a bunch last year. And Flowers, as good as he may become, struggled a lot last year, and there is no garuantee he just turns the corner.

The best teams are usually solid on their lines, and the Giants still have so
E question marks especially with their depth.
I agree with many of the things that have been said  
UberAlias : 5/11/2016 12:01 pm : link
But I will add one more. Who are the difference makers for this team? You have one truly elite player in Odell and a very good QB in Eli. Who else? If you look at most SB winners, they almost always have a few truly elite/dominant players who lead them on their run. By that I mean players who are among the best at their position in the league.

If I look at NYG we have Odell, obviously. We also have Eli, but it is not like there aren't a number of other teams with QBs who are at the same level, or not terribly far off. As good as he is, he is not an Aaron Rogers, Brady, or Peyton a few years back kind of difference maker.

Although happy with our drafts the past two years, picking in the top 10 I was sort of hoping we would come out with that kind of a player. We still may, but where we stand today I don't have that kind of expectations. Although some players on the roster with the potential, I'm not sure there is anyone outside of the two mentioned who I feel very confident will be that sort of difference maker.
Safety  
ChicagoMarty : 5/11/2016 12:24 pm : link
Both SS and FS
Given that this is so clearly a passing league now both safeties have to be able to cover on every down
Collins is more of a lb then a safety and we have a bunch of unknowns at FS
Now is the time for optimism of course but we have two really big holes IMO in a critical position
Three things:  
George : 5/11/2016 1:06 pm : link
1. Linebacker.
2. Right side of OL.
3. Inexperienced HC.

We might be able to live with one of these. But if two or more crop up as major problems, we'll be headed for a six win season.
Leadership on Defense.  
BlueLou : 5/11/2016 1:09 pm : link
On the field.

Spags I have faith in. But he needs some brains and intensity on the field, and I'm not even sure who the candidates are to do that. Maybe Kennard. But he's often not on the field...
Concern with Defense in general. I know they spent a lot of money  
Jimmy Googs : 5/11/2016 1:16 pm : link
and there will be new faces everywhere, but until that team finds ways to get off the field more often on third down, we haven't fixed anything.

Not getting off the field is a mix of many issues including, but not limited to, lack of pass rush, poor LB play especially in coverage, open spaces in the middle of field and also poor decisions/penalties from the guys.

RE: Leadership on Defense.  
shabu : 5/11/2016 1:26 pm : link
In comment 12953835 BlueLou said:
Quote:
On the field.

Spags I have faith in. But he needs some brains and intensity on the field, and I'm not even sure who the candidates are to do that. Maybe Kennard. But he's often not on the field...


Glad someone said leadership on the field... its needed on Defense in a huge way.
Leaders will appear in time  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/11/2016 2:35 pm : link
when you turn over the roster and have a lot of young guys, it takes times.

There were no vocal leaders on offense until Richburg decided to do so. You might argue Beckham is in a leadership position.

On defense, you have guys that other players have said the D gravitates to. Thomas and JPP. Thompson might have that quality too.
Pass rush  
KWALL2 : 5/11/2016 2:53 pm : link
Big risk with only Vernon and JPP as pass rushers. Giants used enormous resources at CB with the Jenkins deal and 10th pick. It will be useless without a pass rush. I'd be a lot happier if those resources were used for pass rush help.

I'm confident JPP can do it. My concern is about Vernon being close to the guy they paid and the lack of anything else to help with the pass rush.
they invested a 2nd round pick in a pass rusher last season  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/11/2016 2:54 pm : link
who hasn't really gotten on the field yet.

He's part of the equation.
My concerns  
David in LA : 5/11/2016 3:08 pm : link
is the new coach and coaching staff going to bring new energy into the building?

I'm not as worried about RT as others, but I'd like to see Hart seize the reigns here and push Newhouse to the bench. That would help out with our depth. We can get by with Newhouse for a few games, but an entire season is something I'm not entirely comfortable with.

I'm pretty confident that someone will step up at FS. Law of averages say that we'll get a little luck at this position, and get to see what the young kids have to offer.

Last but not least, HEALTH. With a name like Wellman, we are due to not get completely devastated by injuries.

3rd round for Odi  
KWALL2 : 5/11/2016 3:08 pm : link
He may help but sure hasn't proven anything on an NFL field yet. I'm hoping he can be the guy to offer a 3rd pass rushing option.
RE: i'm just sick and tired of playing and losing to Dallas opening day  
Ed A. : 5/11/2016 3:56 pm : link
In comment 12953610 gtt350 said:
Quote:
and always and away game.


Goodell is in bed with Jerrah.
My main concern is....  
Ed A. : 5/11/2016 4:00 pm : link
injuries. I believe if the Giants can stay relatively healthy, they are going to surprise a lot of people.
I think Dep  
prdave73 : 5/11/2016 4:29 pm : link
pretty much nail it,

1. RT/RG
2. #2 WR
3. FS
4. TE/blocking
5. Head Coach
RE: Biggest? Health. Other Concerns Too.  
Coach Mason : 5/11/2016 4:43 pm : link
In comment 12953476 Trainmaster said:
Quote:
1) Health. 3 years in a row leading in injuries is very, very unlikely to be bad luck / coincidence. We changed the strength and conditioning coach (and the head coach), but I believe our "crack medical staff" remains.

2) Right side of the OL. My only guesses are: 1) they fully expect a vet to shake free after June 1st or 2) they will employ a very quick, short passing game where the right side of the OL will matter less.

3) LBs. Will we still see receivers, TEs and RBs running wild in the middle of the field?

4) First year HC. Does he have what it takes?


This + does Spagnuolo still have the fastball. He's had some historically bad defenses on his resume and the lack of talent reason will no longer be there.
Injuries/depth and the OL  
illmatic : 5/11/2016 4:45 pm : link
But I suppose those are a concern for a lot of teams.
Defense until  
giantgiantfan : 5/11/2016 5:04 pm : link
they do better. Its the reason we didn't win lots of games last year, even against top tier teams like Carolina and New England as well as the shootout in New Orleans and many others.
Agree the biggest concern has to be coaching.  
Watson : 5/11/2016 5:14 pm : link
Yes the right side of the OL has to be a concern but all teams have weaknesses. On paper this team has more talent than it has had in years but they still need to be molded into a team. It's just not the new players, but returning players from injuries. Defense projected starters only DRC and Collins played a full year as a NYG. With the limited time of practice, I could see this team not getting of to a fast start. As others have already stated TC will not be around to motivate and hold things together. Is a new inexperienced HC up to it?
Right side of offensive line and  
Spider 67 : 5/11/2016 5:39 pm : link
running back. The offense needs to be able to run the clock down. They need the ability to run 5 or 6 minutes off the clock and make the other team use their time outs in the 4th quarter. It's better to have possession of the ball than to let the other team have the ball with time, even if they have a good pass rush. 2 in-completes and a 10 yd first down catch on the side line has to stop. 3 runs of 3.5 yds each would've won several games last year.
Agree with Shockey ....  
Manny in CA : 5/11/2016 6:03 pm : link
About cover linebacking; defense was ravaged, last year by TEs and running backs running "scott-free" sideline-to-sideline, all year.

I think the Giants themselves are painfully aware of this. I'm very sure they were going to take Floyd with their #1 (till the Bears leap-frogged them).

So, they went to the next best BPA/Need option in CB Eli Apple.

There no good choices left. The only thing they can do, at this time to alleviate the bleeding is the "Deon Grant" option - go to a three safety set (on passing downs) and hope they can find a safety (among the many candidates in camp) that can cover the middle of the field.

First up is Landon Collins (a terrific player, but with a history of cover inadequacies); after him, who knows.
All of the above  
XBRONX : 5/11/2016 6:13 pm : link
and Flowers.Was it just his ankle or he is not really that good.
Right side of the line  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/11/2016 6:57 pm : link
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Defense, defense, defense..  
Sean : 5/11/2016 8:02 pm : link
There has been a lot of talent added, but this unit has no experience together. Coaching will be crucial.
Like 70% of the replies here:  
The_Boss : 5/11/2016 8:06 pm : link
The Right side of the OL. That's really it. I think we'll be "ok" defensively as we integrate new players as the year progresses. I just have a bad feeling Jerry and Newhouse are going to cost us a playoff spot. And, come playoff time we'll easilly be able to identify 2-3 games where we had to settle for too many FG's in the redzone or we had to surrender possession late in the 4th up a score or tied only to see the D give it up because we couldn't handle our business on offense. We have as good a collection of skill players on O, a top 10 QB, as well as a top 3-5 center. But we are severely lacking at RG and RT.
As far as the O-line (right side) ....  
Manny in CA : 5/11/2016 8:14 pm : link
I suspect the Giants are "laying in the weeds", waiting for things to "shake out" with the 49ers Anthony Davis.

Davis doesn't want to play with San Francisco, so he "retired". It might take a #2 or #3 draft choice, but the Giants have to be very careful not to be accused of interfering in the 49ers business.

Jerry has said Newhouse is a "back-up" solution, and yet the silence to fix that hole is deafening. There's something going on.
'Eli's sack numbers or lack thereof'...  
Torrag : 5/11/2016 10:03 pm : link
...'were indeed based on decent to good line play'...

On the contrary they mask the problem which is the pass protection wasn't good. It benefited from the scheme and the QB's pocket awareness. This is highlighted by the lack of downfield completions which has been a hallmark of Eli's career.
My biggest fear for this season? Two words:  
j_rud : 5/12/2016 12:46 am : link
Color Rush
new coaching staff  
tempit : 5/12/2016 1:01 am : link
how quickly they come together and handle the ruff patch this season when it hits.

Most of the coaches are unknown -- none have lots of experience and none have a big rep in terms of success and or top A ( other than perhaps the OL coach when he was with 49ers ).
Oline depth  
ReneNYG1 : 5/12/2016 8:12 am : link
Right tackle is main concern and right guard.My main concern is establishing the running ngame with our weak right side of oline.
Mac and coaching...an unknown  
micky : 5/12/2016 8:44 am : link
health as stated, and safties and depth. MLB I doubt robinson stays healthy for long
.  
arcarsenal : 5/12/2016 8:48 am : link
Health. Cluster injuries will derail the season more than anything else will.

Yeah, McAdoo is unproven as a HC.. the right side of the OL is a bit of a question mark. How will the defense mesh?

But we're still going to be running the same offense and Spagnuolo is still here on the other side of the ball for better or worse (although the majority of the defense will be new faces) so at least there won't be a major learning curve for the players who were already here. Most importantly, Eli.
RE: 'Eli's sack numbers or lack thereof'...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/12/2016 8:55 am : link
In comment 12954570 Torrag said:
Quote:
...'were indeed based on decent to good line play'...

On the contrary they mask the problem which is the pass protection wasn't good. It benefited from the scheme and the QB's pocket awareness. This is highlighted by the lack of downfield completions which has been a hallmark of Eli's career.


I think you're overstating the "lack of downfield completions".

Only Desean Jackson has more 50+ yard plays over the last two years than Odell. 11 for Jackson, 9 for Odell.

Eli's yards per attempt is consistent with his career
Yards per catch is too

If you're an advanced metrics guy, he's rated above average in all the yards per attempt, Average, Net, and Adjusted.

Optically, yes, he is going to have fewer deep passes because that's what the offense is compared to what Coughlin wanted.
OK I weighted the votes  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/12/2016 12:06 pm : link
each voter got up to a 6 value spread amongst their top 3 concerns - 3 for their biggest concern, 2 for their second biggest concern, and 1 for the third - didn't count single digit totals that amounted to under 1% - the first number below is the total weighted count - the second number is the percent of the weight count:

Oline(RT) --101 - 29%
Injuries ------68 - 19%
Coaching --- 49 - 14%
Defense -----22 - 6%
Chm/Gel ----16 - 5%
Depth --------16 - 5%
Safties -------14 - 4%
Wide R ------13 - 4%
PassR/DL--- 11 - 3%
LB/Org/RB -10 (ea) - 3%
Nice Job!  
Spider 67 : 5/12/2016 4:54 pm : link
Good to see a wrap up of a thread by the person that started it.
It's May - I don't have any concerns in May - Giants in May look  
baadbill : 5/12/2016 11:12 pm : link
like SB contenders. Ask me in September.
Same as last year  
GeofromNJ : 5/13/2016 12:59 am : link
Can they hold a 4th quarter lead? Defense is better on paper, but will it translate to the field?
Now that I think of it ...  
DonQuixote : 5/14/2016 12:41 am : link
my main concern is keeping myself interested in the team after week 12. Hope springs eternal, but it is a concern.
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