Beating a dead horse perhaps, but Will Beatty is still an FA

So the coach saying that he tried to come back and play, is not enough, but he then needs to embellish it by mentioning the fact that he tried while having his arm strapped, all just for spin.

Moving on because he is injured at his age happens all the time. Nothing wrong with it. He did not quit on the team. There was a very good chance if healthy, he would be asked to reduce salary or move on.

What is funny is how BBI wants so called 'tougher' players. Pugh is tough. He also played RT with an injury and played like shit, and BBI bitched about his play. Flowers is a tough guy, played hurt at LT and people bitched about his play.

NOT the kind of meat I want in a sandwich!

In comment 12954776 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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but in the Will Beatty case, he waited until the pec was healed, and then instead of being activated disclosed to the team that he was opting to have surgery and would not play in 2015. Call it quitting, call it refusing to play, even call it a prudent medical decision. Whatever you call it doesn't change the fact that he consciously chose to sit out once healthy. That sort of fits the definition of quitting. And the giants have rightfully moved on. Better than some posters, I see.

this is not true. Beatty tore his labrum while recovering from the torn pec or made it worse.

He tried to play with a brace and even tried guard to see if it would relieve the stress and pain but none worked.

It is definitely an injury others have played through, so the Giants might in fact feel he is soft, who knows that none of us can say for sure.

but....he worked out at right tackle and right guard with various braces during his time when PUP ended.

I don't care if the Giants are done with him and feel he's soft, but guys like him are between a rock and a hard place, if he plays with the injury and doesn't perform at a high level he's hammered for it, if he opts for surgery instead of gutting it out he's hammered for it and labeled soft.

can't win, unless he can play through the injury and perform at a high level, which in this case he felt he could not.

Also, categorizing Beatty as oft-injured might be true, but he played 16 games in a row for three seasons. that's kind of uncommon in the NFL for an injury prone guy.

yet another chance on a Will Beatty who is coming back from an injury/surgery going into the season ??????

insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

In comment 12954907 gidiefor said:

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yet another chance on a Will Beatty who is coming back from an injury/surgery going into the season ?????? insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

by the way -- rinse and repeat for Greg Schwartz

that changes everything! Now I'm sympathetic.

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In comment 12954864 Old Dirty Beckham said: Quote: either him or Schwartz. They didnt need the money and the line would look better right? Why? We don't need bodies, we need guys that we can depend on. This isn't the LB corps. The O-Line is a unit where cohesion matters more than any other unit possibly across all sports. We need to field the same starting 5 as much as possible and build confidence. I have no confidence in Beatty or Schwartz to even give us 10 games let alone 16. I'm guessing the Giants don't either.

Who are the backup guards/tackles on this team? They dont have any legitimate depth and they have two backups starting already. How on earth would the Giants be in a worse position with one of those guys on the roster right now?

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that Beatty lacked toughness. And that was when Beatty was still on the Giants' roster.

There is nothing perhaps about it, the carcass has long been
taken away already. Make it stop!

Speak volumes?

If he could pass a physical (the big IF), he'd be a cheap OLT for some team. Yet there's been nothing on him but tumbleweeds.

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Speak volumes? If he could pass a physical (the big IF), he'd be a cheap OLT for some team. Yet there's been nothing on him but tumbleweeds.

Again, irrelevant to the Giants bringing him back, not suggesting anything, but Beatty turned down visits with both the Broncos and Raiders right when free agency started because he would not be able to pass a physical. Early May he said he was about two weeks away from being cleared.

there are and will be other options available if the Giants feel the need to make a move.

FUCK Will Beatty.

but I feel like letting him go without any thought or plan for replacing him was short-sighted or cutting off your nose to spite your face, etc.

I just don't feel the same way about Beatty. I don't know if letting him go hurts us, but I do know that keeping him here doesn't help us.

That ship has sailed.. He elected to have surgery because the Giants wanted him to play RT after he came back from injury, he pretty much refused. Plus he's always hurt, time to move on

In comment 12955087 Bill L said:

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but I feel like letting him go without any thought or plan for replacing him was short-sighted or cutting off your nose to spite your face, etc. I just don't feel the same way about Beatty. I don't know if letting him go hurts us, but I do know that keeping him here doesn't help us.

They have Beckham, Shepard and Harris with an all pro QB. Also if they get anything from Cruz forget about it. Vereen should also be used more

In comment 12955131 OBJ31 said:

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In comment 12955087 Bill L said: Quote: but I feel like letting him go without any thought or plan for replacing him was short-sighted or cutting off your nose to spite your face, etc. I just don't feel the same way about Beatty. I don't know if letting him go hurts us, but I do know that keeping him here doesn't help us. They have Beckham, Shepard and Harris with an all pro QB. Also if they get anything from Cruz forget about it. Vereen should also be used more

I don't think that they filled the hole. They got a Cruz replacement/insurance. But I've said that on too many other threads to waste more space here.

In comment 12954864 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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either him or Schwartz. They didnt need the money and the line would look better right?

Both of those players were making the big bucks and were oft-injured. Had to part ways.

Tom Coughlin when he "stepped down" cited his complaint for players not pushing themselves to get on the field. Beatty could have came back but opted to sit out and regardless of his price will not be asked back to the NY Giants.

In comment 12954923 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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In comment 12954877 UConn4523 said: Quote: In comment 12954864 Old Dirty Beckham said: Quote: either him or Schwartz. They didnt need the money and the line would look better right? Why? We don't need bodies, we need guys that we can depend on. This isn't the LB corps. The O-Line is a unit where cohesion matters more than any other unit possibly across all sports. We need to field the same starting 5 as much as possible and build confidence. I have no confidence in Beatty or Schwartz to even give us 10 games let alone 16. I'm guessing the Giants don't either. Who are the backup guards/tackles on this team? They dont have any legitimate depth and they have two backups starting already. How on earth would the Giants be in a worse position with one of those guys on the roster right now? S

I don't have the answer, but I know it isn't, won't, and shouldn't be Beatty. You don't do what the Giants did and they bring back a guy that was cut when revamping the makeup of the roster.

This goes beyond who plays on Sundays. Its fine if you disagree with it, but this wouldn't be the first time a stance like this was taken on a player/s.

In comment 12955143 Bill L said:

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In comment 12955131 OBJ31 said: Quote: In comment 12955087 Bill L said: Quote: but I feel like letting him go without any thought or plan for replacing him was short-sighted or cutting off your nose to spite your face, etc. I just don't feel the same way about Beatty. I don't know if letting him go hurts us, but I do know that keeping him here doesn't help us. They have Beckham, Shepard and Harris with an all pro QB. Also if they get anything from Cruz forget about it. Vereen should also be used more I don't think that they filled the hole. They got a Cruz replacement/insurance. But I've said that on too many other threads to waste more space here.

How on earth can you say there was no plan to move on from Randle?

In comment 12955087 Bill L said:

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but I feel like letting him go without any thought or plan for replacing him was short-sighted or cutting off your nose to spite your face, etc. I just don't feel the same way about Beatty. I don't know if letting him go hurts us, but I do know that keeping him here doesn't help us.

The Giants have their replacement for Randle. His name is Sterling Shepard.

They had their chance here and were found wanting. Spend the money elsewhere on players that may come in and contribute more than those two did. In this instance the unknown quantity is preferred to the known.

In comment 12955143 Bill L said:

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In comment 12955131 OBJ31 said: Quote: In comment 12955087 Bill L said: Quote: but I feel like letting him go without any thought or plan for replacing him was short-sighted or cutting off your nose to spite your face, etc. I just don't feel the same way about Beatty. I don't know if letting him go hurts us, but I do know that keeping him here doesn't help us. They have Beckham, Shepard and Harris with an all pro QB. Also if they get anything from Cruz forget about it. Vereen should also be used more I don't think that they filled the hole. They got a Cruz replacement/insurance. But I've said that on too many other threads to waste more space here.

It's fine if you don't want to discuss it, but what was Victor Cruz if not a very good #2 WR? I feel like you're contradicting yourself.

Beatty is better than Newhouse. I'm not a line guy, so maybe I should wait for B in ALB to shine some insight, but I'd have to imagine that Beatty would be a better RY than NEwhouse even though he is primarily an LT.

I know, team culture and all that, move on from injured players - and maybe he doesn't even want to sign here - but what is the downside to bringing him to camp, giving him a chance to break through his soft reputation, and seeing if he can improve the team? If he doesn't, cut him.

Beatty makes this line much better. An improved line isn't just about Eli - it's about our run game, and the run game makes our defense better as well.

fix the right side of the line and this team's ceiling is THAT much higher.

and I was not a fan of him at ALL, but you must admit that having the potential starting line of Flowers, Pugh Richburg, Schwartz, and Beatty is at the very least a top 12 unit when healthy.

I'm not going to say I don't get why the Giants cut them because I do, but wow, they must have really disliked those players way more than I anticipated.

As of April 2, he was waiting for medical clearance from his doctors. Seems probable that nobody has given him a shot because he can't pass a physical yet. If he gets to that point, I imagine a few teams, perhaps even the Giants, would check in and kick the tires.

In comment 12955215 Sonic Youth said:

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Beatty is better than Newhouse. I'm not a line guy, so maybe I should wait for B in ALB to shine some insight, but I'd have to imagine that Beatty would be a better RY than NEwhouse even though he is primarily an LT. I know, team culture and all that, move on from injured players - and maybe he doesn't even want to sign here - but what is the downside to bringing him to camp, giving him a chance to break through his soft reputation, and seeing if he can improve the team? If he doesn't, cut him. Beatty makes this line much better. An improved line isn't just about Eli - it's about our run game, and the run game makes our defense better as well. fix the right side of the line and this team's ceiling is THAT much higher.

The downside is the message it sends. Didn't you hear what Richburg said earlier in the week? You think a guy like him wants to rely on a guy like Beatty again?

End of the day he'd have no choice if the FO wanted Beatty back, but the point isn't about who Beatty is better than when healthy. Health and some say want is why he was cut, how do you just bring him right back?

called out the guys still there, not Beatty. Ironically.

He's done here, he punched his ticket out of town, and possibly out of the NFL when he opted not to play last year.

They would have made an effort to bring him back. Who knows they may change their minds and bring him back later. I don't think the posters on this thread know all of the facts involved around the Giants decision. I'm waiting to see how the Giants handle this he doesn't play again for the Giants then both parties have their reasons.

In comment 12955263 pjcas18 said:

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called out the guys still there, not Beatty. Ironically.

Right, which makes me only assume what he'd think of Beatty coming back. Doesn't seem like it would be well received...

In comment 12955270 Victor in CT said:

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He's done here, he punched his ticket out of town, and possibly out of the NFL when he opted not to play last year.

Out of the NFL? You obviously didn't read the link. Both Seattle and Denver inquired about him at the end of March or so, before he was fully recovered and ready to show himself. Two teams with a lot more success than the Giants the past few years.

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In comment 12955270 Victor in CT said: Quote: He's done here, he punched his ticket out of town, and possibly out of the NFL when he opted not to play last year. Out of the NFL? You obviously didn't read the link. Both Seattle and Denver inquired about him at the end of March or so, before he was fully recovered and ready to show himself. Two teams with a lot more success than the Giants the past few years.

key word being "possibly"

for fans. I really wish Will Beatty was a more durable player and was able to play last season. He would still be on the roster but that didn't happen and the team has moved on. The team has also decided that Marshall Newhouse is going to be the other starting tackle unless takes that job from him in training camp.

This is the same organization that had Ian Allen starting at RT in 2003. Marshall Newhouse looks better already.

You can almost hear Beatty saying to the Viking defender,
"Ok, Have you got a hold of him yet?"

and the alternative is another year of newhouse at RT i would welcome beatty over newhouse hands down but would beatty be interested in :

1) coming back after the way they cut his for flowers (a rookie) might be some bad blood there over the manner of his exit?

2) would he be open to moving to RT? i think that he may have made clear he wasnt willing to play RT and that was a factor in them cutting him too,and would he be any good at RT he was more a pass blocker your RT is usually your more powerful OT and stronger vs the run (still gotta better than the car crash that is newhouse at least)

3) is he fully healed as has been said he was still waiting for clearance medically as recently as last month for an injury that happened a year ago and was a torn muscle which while bad isnt an ACL or something more serious unless the injury was worse than was reported?

i think they are waiting for monroe or another teams OT to shake lose as a result of all the OT that were drafted in the first couple of rounds this year i hope at least 1 of them suits the giants needs,still would have liked them to make a run at another OG to replace jerry too but RT is the bigger issue they could live with jerry there if RT was improved

Prince and Beatty both gone?
Is there something about that particular injury?

I think Thurman also tore pec.

I believe I heard that was an injury associated with steroids. Anyone else hear that?

Elective surgery or not
Poor timing or not..

I just never thought he was all that good and hated the contract at time. Good luck to him, but no thank you.

but Gilbride, for one, called Beatty out and it wasn't a secret the team wanted more from him. More toughness, consistency, more want-to, name it what you will. This wasn't some isolated one-off situation.

from Giants unless we get desperate due to injuries and there are limited other options.

I wager letting him go will prove to be addition by subtraction. Dude is the opposite of what you want from a football player.

a Sy'56 thread in which he suggested Beatty wasn't the long term answer at LT and was just blasted by a few users, one guy in particular who got really personal (and who I think has since been banned).

Looks like he nailed it.

Before he was injured.

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Prince and Beatty both gone? Is there something about that particular injury? I think Thurman also tore pec. I believe I heard that was an injury associated with steroids. Anyone else hear that?

You heard that from no where

Great job making things up

That the Giants expected Beatty to be a better OT than he was. Flaherty talked about that years ago. But partly that was high expectations based on his superior athleticism compared with Diehl for example.

I still recall the gist of Flaherty's comment. Which was something like "he [Beatty] spends too much time thinking about how he can and should REACT to an opponent's moves, rather than thinking about what he [Beatty] should be actively DOING to dominate his opponent.

It was clear they had high hopes for Will to be a MUCH better player than he was.

Still, he's way, way better than Newhouse! IMO.

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I wager letting him go will prove to be addition by subtraction. Dude is the opposite of what you want from a football player.

Which is a shame because PHYSICALLY, this guy had all the tools, imo

would definitely pick him back up. when healthy, he is much better than anyone they have at RT, and he has no issues in the locker room. btw, my presumption is the giants already have 4 spots locked down: flowers, pugh, weston, and hart, so if the giants did pickup beatty, hart would be a guard.

In comment 12955087 Bill L said:

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but I feel like letting him go without any thought or plan for replacing him was short-sighted or cutting off your nose to spite your face, etc. I just don't feel the same way about Beatty. I don't know if letting him go hurts us, but I do know that keeping him here doesn't help us.

Are you kidding me? We drafted or signed 5 guys who could probably outperform that underachiever. I'd rather take my chances with Lewis, Powe, Sterling, and a few others we signed than have to put up with Randles moodiness.

I do think a Vet Cut or make a move on adding
a Starter or at the very least a back up Tackle .
Were up Schitz Creek is one of the starters go down.
I doubt it would be Beatty unless its late season desperation.