Beating a dead horse perhaps, but Will Beatty is still an FA

Most likely after injuries hit. But it won't be with NYG.

that the Giants have moved on from Beatty. The fact that he has not been signed may be linked to his inability to pass a physical yet?? I think the Giants have hitched themselves to Flowers at LT come hell or high water.

and I'm going to

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the story of his career. The team has rightly moved on.

often injured players, especially at premier positions can just derail a season. Especially when it comes to a unit that needs optimum cohesion.

Beatty was solid when healthy but you just can't count on him and this team wants to give reps to players who are tougher. I can't say I blame them.

He represents the type of player the Giants are trying to get away from. They won't express any interest in bringing him back.

In comment 12954728 aquidneck said:

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Most likely after injuries hit. But it won't be with NYG.

^This. As the season, or even camp, progress, injuries will force teams to inquire about his services. But the Giants will not be one of those teams unless they are truly desperate.

If we were trying to "get away from players like this" Cooper Taylor wouldn't be on the roster. Beatty is a better LT than Flowers at this point in time. I'd be glad to have him back so we could move Flowers to RT where he belongs. Watch some tape from last year; He is a promising young player, but his lack of proper technique could get Eli killed.

In comment 12954748 GeorgeAdams33 said:

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If we were trying to "get away from players like this" Cooper Taylor wouldn't be on the roster. Beatty is a better LT than Flowers at this point in time. I'd be glad to have him back so we could move Flowers to RT where he belongs. Watch some tape from last year; He is a promising young player, but his lack of proper technique could get Eli killed.

Theres a difference between getting injured and being SAWFT. Beatty is the latter

In comment 12954748 GeorgeAdams33 said:

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If we were trying to "get away from players like this" Cooper Taylor wouldn't be on the roster. Beatty is a better LT than Flowers at this point in time. I'd be glad to have him back so we could move Flowers to RT where he belongs. Watch some tape from last year; He is a promising young player, but his lack of proper technique could get Eli killed.

No dumb ass

He quit on his team last year

In comment 12954748 GeorgeAdams33 said:

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If we were trying to "get away from players like this" Cooper Taylor wouldn't be on the roster. Beatty is a better LT than Flowers at this point in time. I'd be glad to have him back so we could move Flowers to RT where he belongs. Watch some tape from last year; He is a promising young player, but his lack of proper technique could get Eli killed.

Agreed

In comment 12954748 GeorgeAdams33 said:

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If we were trying to "get away from players like this" Cooper Taylor wouldn't be on the roster. Beatty is a better LT than Flowers at this point in time. I'd be glad to have him back so we could move Flowers to RT where he belongs. Watch some tape from last year; He is a promising young player, but his lack of proper technique could get Eli killed.

I think it's about burned bridges, George. I think, Reese, Coughlin and McAdoo all felt betrayed by this guy when he elected for surgery late. Giants were counting in a contribution from Beatty and he elected to get the surgery rather than give it a go last year.

In comment 12954748 GeorgeAdams33 said:

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If we were trying to "get away from players like this" Cooper Taylor wouldn't be on the roster. Beatty is a better LT than Flowers at this point in time. I'd be glad to have him back so we could move Flowers to RT where he belongs. Watch some tape from last year; He is a promising young player, but his lack of proper technique could get Eli killed.

You obviously haven't been paying much attention.

And what does Cooper Taylor have to do with anything? Did you not notice the resources we've spent on the safety position in the last 2-3 years? The Giants pretty clearly aren't expecting much of anything from Taylor and are trying to fill both spots with other players. Collins being one of them.

Cooper Taylor hasn't made the team yet

How exactly by not playing through an injury that prevents him from passing a physical the following May?

The guys who get personally offended by players who get hurt are sad human beings.

In comment 12954768 WillieYoung said:

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How exactly by not playing through an injury that prevents him from passing a physical the following May? The guys who get personally offended by players who get hurt are sad human beings.

You can't be serious

He was able to play....he choose not to because he didn't want to play RT and opted to have surgery from which he is still rehabbing from

Get a clue before you call someone out

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In comment 12954753 barens said:

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In comment 12954748 GeorgeAdams33 said: Quote: If we were trying to "get away from players like this" Cooper Taylor wouldn't be on the roster. Beatty is a better LT than Flowers at this point in time. I'd be glad to have him back so we could move Flowers to RT where he belongs. Watch some tape from last year; He is a promising young player, but his lack of proper technique could get Eli killed. Agreed

Ah.... So in your mind it's impossible for someone to improve on their technique from their rookie year? Great job coach

but in the Will Beatty case, he waited until the pec was healed, and then instead of being activated disclosed to the team that he was opting to have surgery and would not play in 2015.

Call it quitting, call it refusing to play, even call it a prudent medical decision. Whatever you call it doesn't change the fact that he consciously chose to sit out once healthy. That sort of fits the definition of quitting.

And the giants have rightfully moved on. Better than some posters, I see.

Jeff Hatch and Ian allen

Giants would be a better team in 2016 with Beatty at LT and Flowers at RT.

After 2016, the Giants really should be able to draft a starting RT in something other than rd. 1. They would also have a better idea if Flowers was a NFL LT.

Organizational timetable to be competitive?

Always a classic. Almost as much of an overused whine as "Eli is going to get killed".

Zero. Which means if you're looking at him as an FA, you're looking at him as a RT - a position which he played only part time in his rookie season.

So an oft injured former Giant who may have burned some bridges, playing out of position? That sounds like a good idea to someone?

In comment 12954748 GeorgeAdams33 said:

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If we were trying to "get away from players like this" Cooper Taylor wouldn't be on the roster. Beatty is a better LT than Flowers at this point in time. I'd be glad to have him back so we could move Flowers to RT where he belongs. Watch some tape from last year; He is a promising young player, but his lack of proper technique could get Eli killed.

Once again people act like everything is black and white. First, Cooper Taylor just may get cut this year in camp, so you may be flat out wrong there. Second, Cooper Taylor doesn't protect Eli's blindside nor did he make a fortune so far in this league. Lastly, he didn't quit on his team.

As a fellow UConn alum i've defended Beatty as much as anyone for several years but enough was enough. He just isn't tough and certainly isn't a leader. I wish him luck but he doesn't have a place on this team. Both parties will benefit from moving on.

And if people think the idea that the Giants are moving on from certain players is BS, just look at the effort they made to retain Rueben Randle. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

Same thing. Even if he was still unsigned right now the Giants wouldn't bring him in.

There was a conscious effort this offseason to cut bait with players who had questionable work ethics and/or numerous injury issues.

and the "may get Eli killed" stuff is the most overblown, overused, and misinformed statement in BBI's arsenal.

Last season was easily a top 2-3 season for Eli despite all the flaws in that offense (patched up/injured OL, no #2 WR, injured and non experienced TE's, and no running game whatsoever). So if he didn't get killed last season why would you all of a sudden expect him to now?

Any QB can have a horrible injury and any given freak play. But Eli has adapted to the deficiencies of the team around him and played really good football last year.

as is jlukes, NYG is moving away from certain types of performers.

If Beatty returns, it's not a good sign.

Or, set a career high in Touchdowns
Had his second-best season in passing yardage
Put it in the air a career-high 618 times while being 5th BEST in sack%

The reason the OL has to be improved is for the running game to improve, not because Eli is taking hits or in danger of getting his head taken off. Tell other people to watch "tape" though.

He did not quit on the team. This was quoted by Coughlin and written in the Daily News Thursday Nov 12.

"On his behalf, he's practiced and he's worked hard to try to see what he was able to do with it, and it's just not gonna be something that will allow him to be the player he can be," said Coughlin, who added Beatty wore a strap to try to help him practice with the injury.

Moving on because he is injured is fine. He did not quit on his team.

him under the bus?

I simply refuse to believe a lot of what GM's/Coaches say, especially when it comes to criticism.

Full story isn't being printed in the papers, take it for what it's worth.

In comment 12954812 UConn4523 said:

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him under the bus? I simply refuse to believe a lot of what GM's/Coaches say, especially when it comes to criticism.

Fair enough, but then WHO do we believe, my friend? The media?

Beatty is gone after choosing surgery.

In comment 12954821 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 12954812 UConn4523 said: Quote: him under the bus? I simply refuse to believe a lot of what GM's/Coaches say, especially when it comes to criticism. Fair enough, but then WHO do we believe, my friend? The media?

I take everything with a grain of salt and to be honest, I put very little stock into what anyone says in the sports world. The media is largely non-credible and the coaches and front office aren't going to be totally forthcoming. The fan needs to draw their own conclusions and not take every comment as gospel.

he would still be here. I would think we're all familiar with how this team works by now. When you're in the circle of trust, they try to keep you in the family.

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and name the players who were cut after having surgery before ever getting a chance to show what they can do in a minicamp, practice or preseason.

That should tell you a lot.

They simply don't want him. This team needs more toughness and Beatty is a marshmallow.

In comment 12954776 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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but in the Will Beatty case, he waited until the pec was healed, and then instead of being activated disclosed to the team that he was opting to have surgery and would not play in 2015. Call it quitting, call it refusing to play, even call it a prudent medical decision. Whatever you call it doesn't change the fact that he consciously chose to sit out once healthy. That sort of fits the definition of quitting. And the giants have rightfully moved on. Better than some posters, I see.

He tried playing with his arm strapped to his side due to the injury that required surgery- an injury that occurred during his team-supervised rehab. Apparently, you guys were desperate to see a guy try and play tackle with one arm and the Giants were so desperate to get Flowers out of there to preserve Eli's health that some, if the leak is to be believed, thought a one-armed tackle was a viable option.

Or it could be that the "classy" Giants did what they always do when they want to get rid of a player for contractual reasons -leak shitty statements about the player to the press. A long Giants tradition dating back to the 60's. Better hope Flowers plays better this year than he did last year.

Either way, he's not coming back here, doesn't want to come back here and will have a job in the NFL if he wants one this coming season.

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Either way, he's not coming back here, doesn't want to come back here and will have a job in the NFL if he wants one this coming season.

..but I'm pretty sure I've heard this one before.

either him or Schwartz. They didnt need the money and the line would look better right?

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and I'm going to spell it out for you

post of the year.

but remember, there's a new sheriff in town and he will do things his own way, not necessarily TC's..If so, there's virtually no sample size to cull from prior actions..No real idea WHAT McAdoo will do, imo

Beating a dead horse? Everyone knew coming into the free agents season and the draft that the Giants needed to address their lack of a offensive line on the right side. Using depth players to be starters are what bad teams do in order to get by. If the Giants want to win this season then need to get someone. Beatty is better then what they have now, so if Beatty is healthy and if the price is right then I don't see any reason why the Giants should not sign Beatty and move him to the right side. To be honest, still hoping for Davis for the right tackle spot and a guard.

In comment 12954864 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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either him or Schwartz. They didnt need the money and the line would look better right?

Why? We don't need bodies, we need guys that we can depend on. This isn't the LB corps. The O-Line is a unit where cohesion matters more than any other unit possibly across all sports. We need to field the same starting 5 as much as possible and build confidence. I have no confidence in Beatty or Schwartz to even give us 10 games let alone 16. I'm guessing the Giants don't either.

So the coach saying that he tried to come back and play, is not enough, but he then needs to embellish it by mentioning the fact that he tried while having his arm strapped, all just for spin.

Moving on because he is injured at his age happens all the time. Nothing wrong with it. He did not quit on the team. There was a very good chance if healthy, he would be asked to reduce salary or move on.

What is funny is how BBI wants so called 'tougher' players. Pugh is tough. He also played RT with an injury and played like shit, and BBI bitched about his play. Flowers is a tough guy, played hurt at LT and people bitched about his play.

NOT the kind of meat I want in a sandwich!

In comment 12954776 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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but in the Will Beatty case, he waited until the pec was healed, and then instead of being activated disclosed to the team that he was opting to have surgery and would not play in 2015. Call it quitting, call it refusing to play, even call it a prudent medical decision. Whatever you call it doesn't change the fact that he consciously chose to sit out once healthy. That sort of fits the definition of quitting. And the giants have rightfully moved on. Better than some posters, I see.

this is not true. Beatty tore his labrum while recovering from the torn pec or made it worse.

He tried to play with a brace and even tried guard to see if it would relieve the stress and pain but none worked.

It is definitely an injury others have played through, so the Giants might in fact feel he is soft, who knows that none of us can say for sure.

but....he worked out at right tackle and right guard with various braces during his time when PUP ended.

I don't care if the Giants are done with him and feel he's soft, but guys like him are between a rock and a hard place, if he plays with the injury and doesn't perform at a high level he's hammered for it, if he opts for surgery instead of gutting it out he's hammered for it and labeled soft.

can't win, unless he can play through the injury and perform at a high level, which in this case he felt he could not.

Also, categorizing Beatty as oft-injured might be true, but he played 16 games in a row for three seasons. that's kind of uncommon in the NFL for an injury prone guy.

yet another chance on a Will Beatty who is coming back from an injury/surgery going into the season ??????

insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

In comment 12954907 gidiefor said:

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yet another chance on a Will Beatty who is coming back from an injury/surgery going into the season ?????? insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

by the way -- rinse and repeat for Greg Schwartz