Let's forget the fact we passed up on a potential Hall of Fame LT because he smokes pot.
Jets were looking for Tunsil. Offered same deal to TB (11th) and Saints (12th).
Why on Earth did Reese not accept this deal??
As it turns out, Treadwell, Docston and CB William Jackson were all on the board at 20.
The following players were on the board with the Jets 2nd round pick:
RG/RT Cody Whitehair
CB Mackensie Alexander
WR Tyler Boyd
FS Vonn Bell
To drop down 10 spots (after our target was off the board) we could've gotten a starting OL or secondary player. Those guys cost a fortune in premium picks or free agency. (That's called value.)
Really think Reese dropped the ball here. He just had to have Eli Apple so bad?? Or did he panic?
And this is an old story.
Jesus Christ.
I am taking the over...
However, as I've said in the last thread this similar subject, here's what I would have done (with the benefit of hindsight) without changing the Giants picks (except the 1st rounder);
Jets 1st: Darren Lee
Jets 2nd: Cody Whitehair (Vonn Bell would have been nice too)
However, they get paid to do this and I don't. 2 other teams passed up the same deal. We also now know that Apple would have likely gone to TB or Miami. Reese has been above average with 1st round picks. Although he hasn't done so well in later rounds, I think they killed it this year so I have no complaints.
Value board says they needed to offer a 2 and a 4. Also, it is possible that we had Apple so far above the other names you mentioned that getting the extra 2nd was not enough for drop in quality. Dave Te Thomas did an excellent look at the top corners that showed Jackson was by far the worst in coverage and he played lesser WR than the other top CB's. Moreover, there is no guarantee that, by altering how one team drafts, the same players would be their at 20 or the Jets 2nd Round pick. If Jets trade up for Tunsil, does Tampa take Apple or Hargreaves at 11? Dolphins at 13? You can't look at who was there with hindsight.
Because it wasn't a fair offer.
By the way, any tidbits on Davis signing? It's been over a week since the deal was imminent....
Let's sure hope he is!
not exactly a ringing endorsement that you loved the guy top 10.
And if he doesn't?
I think it was Jint Fan in Buc Land who said that Apple was Tampa's choice not Hargreaves and traded down because they thought that Tunsil was going to be a Giant so they could get an extra 4th and still get the guy they wanted. Hargreaves was only the pick AFTER Apple was gone. Are they really going to say publicly that they really wanted someone else and trades down too far?
That's basically what we passed up. And although the Giants couldn't know exactly who would be on the board they would have a pretty good idea that this was a fairly deep red Chip draft and that 1 or 2 guys in their higher tier groupings would have likely been available.
This is where relying on the chart too much doesn't really account for drafts that may be well stocked with higher value red chippers deeper into the draft.
I can understand not doing it if the target who had the really high value to you (Floyd) was not on the board. But I really don't see Apple as the type of shutdown corner that will be better than having two high caliber redchippers from the groupings mentioned above on the team.
And if Miami takes a DB at 13, they likely don't trade up for Howard in Round 2 and that plays out differently
That's basically what we passed up. And although the Giants couldn't know exactly who would be on the board they would have a pretty good idea that this was a fairly deep red Chip draft and that 1 or 2 guys in their higher tier groupings would have likely been available.
This is where relying on the chart too much doesn't really account for drafts that may be well stocked with higher value red chippers deeper into the draft.
I can understand not doing it if the target who had the really high value to you (Floyd) was not on the board. But I really don't see Apple as the type of shutdown corner that will be better than having two high caliber redchippers from the groupings mentioned above on the team.
You don't, must maybe our scouts and coaches do. Please tell me what team you scout for and how much actual film of these players have you watched?
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Does one of Lee (a 4.4 40 LB), Doctson,Treadwell,or Jackson AND one of Cody Whitehair, Carl Nassib ,Bullard, Kaufusi,Von Bell, or Tyler Boyd less than or greater than Eli Apple.
That's basically what we passed up. And although the Giants couldn't know exactly who would be on the board they would have a pretty good idea that this was a fairly deep red Chip draft and that 1 or 2 guys in their higher tier groupings would have likely been available.
This is where relying on the chart too much doesn't really account for drafts that may be well stocked with higher value red chippers deeper into the draft.
I can understand not doing it if the target who had the really high value to you (Floyd) was not on the board. But I really don't see Apple as the type of shutdown corner that will be better than having two high caliber redchippers from the groupings mentioned above on the team.
You don't, must maybe our scouts and coaches do. Please tell me what team you scout for and how much actual film of these players have you watched?
Mike, good morning..It's Jersey Joe
Plus this was a huge thread a week ago.
Stop the stupid.
I think the premise of the thread is silly, the Giants simply didn't think the offer to move back was strong enough. Period.
But do you really believe what you wrote Eric? Post-draft has Reese ever said anything other than how much they loved the player they picked. I can see a situation where Reese was unhappy with the way the draft unfolded. Two previously assumed top 10 guys didn't get selected and the Giants were the team left out, or sure the Giants could have just had Apple rated higher than most others. who knows what to believe.
my point is I don't trust almost anything that comes out of the mouths of these GMS's (any of them) post-draft.
Junk tends to be behind by at least a week.........
Because he's not getting enough attention?
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from the Apple camp?
All the files are on his MaCintosh
It's not to say they might have wanted Floyd above Apple, but picking tenth in a red chip draft they had to know there was a good chance a highly rated pass rusher would be gone.
It's a coin flip imo and the giants do well with their #1 pick.
Ironically, at the time of the draft I thought I would want to either a) stay at 10 and take Doctson or b) try and trade down and take Apple, Decker or Treadwell.
Goes to show how little I know.
The Giants did the right thing in passing on him..imo
It's not to say they might have wanted Floyd above Apple, but picking tenth in a red chip draft they had to know there was a good chance a highly rated pass rusher would be gone.
Yeah, I'm not saying they didn't stick to their board, and Apple wasn't their highest remaining player, I am saying I'd be skeptical of Reese saying they felt Apple was a top 10 player.
Myles Jack and Tunsil falling I think potentially hurt the Giants and they possibly got a player they had ranked 12 or so at 10. For example.
Read every review of every player Reese drafted - even the unmitigated disasters, same theme, loved the player, drafted right where they should he should be drafted, etc.
I'd think it's more likely than not that Apple was NOT in the top 10 on the Giants draft board. Completely my opinion.
And I have zero issue with it and I think he can work out fine, just my opinion.
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What in the holy fuck?
And this is an old story.
Jesus Christ.
LOL.
because jerry said so ? if you check the value chart, its like 3 points shy of equal value.
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Because its not enough value to move from 10 to 20. Not even close actually.
And this is an old story.
Jesus Christ.
LOL.
because jerry said so ? if you check the value chart, its like 3 points shy of equal value.
Or perhaps they got a player they wanted at 10, and would have had to settle for a lesser player at 20.
What a mess.....
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