Hopefully, people will put this "JPP of TEs" shit to bed sooner rather than later.
From your lips to Reese's ears!
It was an unfortunate comment made about a guy who was indeed athletic, but had no feel for the TE position, and yet some douchebags feel compelled to bring it up every time the Giants draft or sign a TE. It's just plain stupid, lazy, and after four years, it's overdone, too.
Bullethead. If he can combine blocking with a reasonable knowledge of passing playbook, there's no reason why he shouldn't be playing the most snaps of the group.
He never looked remotely athletic or did anything to suggest he was.
I tend to agree. His athleticism was vastly overstated and the fact that they used a 4th round pick on a backup blocking TE in college probably makes this Jerry's worst draft pick.
It may sound strange to say, but I am as excited about him Â
He never looked remotely athletic or did anything to suggest he was.
I tend to agree. His athleticism was vastly overstated and the fact that they used a 4th round pick on a backup blocking TE in college probably makes this Jerry's worst draft pick.
I think they were referring to his athleticism relative to his size.
4.56 40 at 264 pounds (Pro Day). 39.5" VJ, 11'03" BJ. Seems to me that Reese & Co. were blinded by that and failed to note his lack of instincts or production.
His measurables just never even seemed apparent. He looked slow and stiff the few times he actually wound up with the football. It was like the complete opposite of what was advertised.
In any event, we've moved on. Hoping Adams is a real steal.
He is as athletic, though not as broad... but is actually a real football player. I'm intrigued by his pass catching potential but damn... this dude can BLOCK.
4.56 40 at 264 pounds (Pro Day). 39.5" VJ, 11'03" BJ. Seems to me that Reese & Co. were blinded by that and failed to note his lack of instincts or production.
That really shocks me, because he honestly looked to me about as athletic in the games as a cardboard box.
prove to be steals when we look back on this class
Just prior to the draft, I began a thread in which I said that Day 3 would be most important for Jerry Reese...that he not "screw it up," that it was imperative for him to find decent role players, quality depth, if not starters. I'd like to think he exceeded my expectations, but only time will tell.
4.56 40 at 264 pounds (Pro Day). 39.5" VJ, 11'03" BJ. Seems to me that Reese & Co. were blinded by that and failed to note his lack of instincts or production.
That really shocks me, because he honestly looked to me about as athletic in the games as a cardboard box.
I think that goes more to what I said about instincts and having a feel for the position. Just because you can run fast doesn't mean you can play fast. And it might be that he couldn't master the playbook, or lacked the "want to" (hat tip, JonC), to improve his game.
Regardless, he's history now. In the immortal words of Elmer Fudd, "Good widdance to bad wubbish."
Bullethead. If he can combine blocking with a reasonable knowledge of passing playbook, there's no reason why he shouldn't be playing the most snaps of the group.
Tye will never be a dominant blocker because of his size but by the end of the season I felt he was already better than Donnell was. Adams can be a Martellus Bennett type of TE hopefully minus the attitude.
Goodson is the guy I'm most excited about as far as the later picks go. I think he has a real chance to be a legit NFL linebacker. The dude just knows how to play.
There are lots of similarities with 2007. Stared off with a corner in round 1, WR in round 2. Got LBs, S, RB & TE later on.....And alot of them contributed...
Maybe the plan is for the Giants to use a 2TE set...with Adams on the line blocking and opening up holes for the running game. Last year, Will Tye showed something by leading rookie TEs in receptions, yards and TDs. If their refusal to address the right side of the offensive line in free agency and the draft is because the new regime has aspirations to do this, then all the worry can be put to rest.
Of course, this remains to be seen, training camp is still a ways off. And the other intangibles, that is if the injury bug doesn't bite again, rookies getting into the playbook and learning all of the plays and adjusting to the pace of being in the NFL are major factors to consider. Like I said it'll be fun to watch.
It will be tough for him to be opening day starter Â
His athleticism was vastly overstated and the fact that they used a 4th round pick on a backup blocking TE in college probably makes this Jerry's worst draft pick.
I nominate Phillip Dillard. No production OR measurables.
Compared to the days of David Markham, Sean Bennett and Joe Montgomery, however, Reese's mid-round picks are a paragon of logic.
His athleticism was vastly overstated and the fact that they used a 4th round pick on a backup blocking TE in college probably makes this Jerry's worst draft pick.
I nominate Phillip Dillard. No production OR measurables.
Compared to the days of David Markham, Sean Bennett and Joe Montgomery, however, Reese's mid-round picks are a paragon of logic.
Hey man, Joe Montgomery was good that one game against the Jets in '99 !
RE: It will be tough for him to be opening day starter Â
I think that's unlikely. He'll have to earn coaches confidence during game time playing.
Agreed… And here's another factor to consider. Giants usually have played very vanilla during the preseason while it seemed to me the opposing teams opened up their playbook a little bit and seem to outplay the Giants every time. Hopefully, with the new coaching staff this year will see a little bit more aggressiveness in the preseason… Not showing the entire play book but little wrinkles here and there to put the rookies in position to flash. Of course barring serious injuries.
His athleticism was vastly overstated and the fact that they used a 4th round pick on a backup blocking TE in college probably makes this Jerry's worst draft pick.
I nominate Phillip Dillard. No production OR measurables.
Compared to the days of David Markham, Sean Bennett and Joe Montgomery, however, Reese's mid-round picks are a paragon of logic.
Hey man, Joe Montgomery was good that one game against the Jets in '99 !
he did lead the giants in rushing yards for one season
Giants usually have played very vanilla during the preseason while it seemed to me the opposing teams opened up their playbook a little bit and seem to outplay the Giants every time.
Since 2007, the Giants are 22-14 in preseason games.
RE: If he is so gifted and great, why did he last until the 6th round? Â
Giants usually have played very vanilla during the preseason while it seemed to me the opposing teams opened up their playbook a little bit and seem to outplay the Giants every time.
Since 2007, the Giants are 22-14 in preseason games.
I don't know… As I remembered last year's game against the Bengals it seemed like Marvin Lewis was playing his team like it was the first game of the regular season not the first game of the preseason while the Giants looked rusty and flat. But, if it is all about wins and losses, I stand corrected.
and losses, but the giants traditionally don't show a lot - but neither do most teams. I know the Panthers like to work on certain blitz schemes in the preseason, but you aren't finding many teams who are showing a lot, especially in the 4th game.
It isn't fair to say that the giants are vanilla while their opponents are utilizing all the firepower they can. It also isn't fair to want to see McAdoo open things up, especially when we play Dallas Week 1. Why show things you don't need to?
is probably correct saying the Giants remain vanilla in pre-season. It sure seems like the Giants use pre-season to see what their players can do, who will get to start, etc. Then you have the teams like the Jets who play that pre-season game like it's the Super Bowl.
and losses, but the giants traditionally don't show a lot - but neither do most teams. I know the Panthers like to work on certain blitz schemes in the preseason, but you aren't finding many teams who are showing a lot, especially in the 4th game.
It isn't fair to say that the giants are vanilla while their opponents are utilizing all the firepower they can. It also isn't fair to want to see McAdoo open things up, especially when we play Dallas Week 1. Why show things you don't need to?
With all due respect… Of course not… That would be silly and that's not what I was meaning. What I'm saying is, with the new coaching regime in place the basics have changed. They have a new playbook with new schemes that may allow for these promising rookies…to show something in plays that fit their skill set in game situations. At least that's my hope RE Adams based on what his former coach said in an interview on Big Blue kick off and what I have seen in highlight videos.
His athleticism was vastly overstated and the fact that they used a 4th round pick on a backup blocking TE in college probably makes this Jerry's worst draft pick.
I nominate Phillip Dillard. No production OR measurables.
Compared to the days of David Markham, Sean Bennett and Joe Montgomery, however, Reese's mid-round picks are a paragon of logic.
Yeah Dillard was not a good pick.
RE: Yes please, the joke stopped being funny long ago Â
A good chunk of what makes a goof blocker is simply the attitude and mindset to want to do it. As offenses evolve and throw more fewer and fewer skill position players really have that mindset. It's clear Adams does and with some coaching could be a nice in-line blocker. He absolutely dominated in that Kentucky game and he was often matched up one on one with a DE. He just owned the kid. I even looked up the box score, that DE (#35) didn't even make the stat line, was completely shut out and Adams played a big part in that. I think he was hampered by his QB as a pass catcher as well, or perhaps that's just the system. But even from that 10-odd minute of game footage you could see he was open quite a bit but wasn't targeted.
I never get too excited or expect much from a rookie class, it's just a big leap to make, but I find myself having to temper my enthusiasm this year. I think this team got a lot better. And while you are what your record says, they lost something like 6 or 7 games by 5 points or less and were in all but 2 games in the 4th quarter. A 5 or 6 point swing, which is completely possible given how bad the D was last season, and they can win 10 or 11 games.
RE: RE: hopefully this guy isn't the Adrien Robinson of JPPs Â
We'll probably never know about the stuff Sy alluded to in his report, but there is one thing we do know about Adams. This is a kid who asked his coach if he could play special teams because their STs needed help. That doesn't say "slacker" to me. And his coach said that the only reason they eventually took him off special teams was that he was becoming a bigger part of the offense. And, as I said earlier, he improved as a receiver every year. I don't know if you could say that about someone with a poor work ethic.
It could be that he was just frustrated by the shit show at SC during his time there, and maybe he expressed that frustration more than he should have. I don't know.
Jerrell Adams is a terrific blocker and will improve the run game Â
immediately. He blocks like a RT. He not only engages his man and stays engaged, at times forces his man in a direction he doesn't want to go. The only knock on Adams as a receiver, from what I see, he's a bit lumbering running routes. But he has great hands. I think he'll be the starting TE before the season ends. And the running game is instantly upgraded with him on the field.
If the Giants hadn't be so stupidness to hold onto Robinson Â
A cut him after a couple of seasons I think the comment would have gone away. Other than Marvin Austin they hold their shittyblicks too long
Wasn't a huge fan of The McAdoo hiring but hopefully the idiocy of clinging to shitty picks a a thing of the past w TC gone. If by year two a guybisnstllmthst lost holding onto him is a wasted roster spot.
Kid Adams can already block. No reason he can't help next year
If Adams' blocking really helps the run game think about this: A defense will not only have to deal w/ a great run game but now you have Beckham at X, Cruz at Y, & Shepard at Z! Oh, and Adams can leak out if necessary.
How can a defense deal with those 4???
RE: It will be tough for him to be opening day starter Â
I think that's unlikely. He'll have to earn coaches confidence during game time playing.
I dunno if I agree with this. If he can block like the reports say he can, he is a sure fire bet to start week 1 at TE.
The athleticism in this kid as far as moving as a large target and then running with purpose is something I haven't seen in a while. I have this weird and uncommon feeling he might be a really good get in the 6th. I get the feeling we will be talking about ODB and Adams with Shephard as an afterthought a few years down the road. The only thing is if he can go up and get it.
Hopefully, people will put this "JPP of TEs" shit to bed sooner rather than later.
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of TEs.
Hopefully, people will put this "JPP of TEs" shit to bed sooner rather than later.
From your lips to Reese's ears!
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of TEs.
Hopefully, people will put this "JPP of TEs" shit to bed sooner rather than later.
From your lips to Reese's ears!
It was an unfortunate comment made about a guy who was indeed athletic, but had no feel for the TE position, and yet some douchebags feel compelled to bring it up every time the Giants draft or sign a TE. It's just plain stupid, lazy, and after four years, it's overdone, too.
Hopefully Adams will pan out.
He never looked remotely athletic or did anything to suggest he was.
He never looked remotely athletic or did anything to suggest he was.
I think Robinson was very athletic -- he was just kinda stupid and had a tough time remembering what he was supposed to do out there
He never looked remotely athletic or did anything to suggest he was.
I tend to agree. His athleticism was vastly overstated and the fact that they used a 4th round pick on a backup blocking TE in college probably makes this Jerry's worst draft pick.
He certainly looks the part.
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to say he was nearly the athlete JPP is.
He never looked remotely athletic or did anything to suggest he was.
I tend to agree. His athleticism was vastly overstated and the fact that they used a 4th round pick on a backup blocking TE in college probably makes this Jerry's worst draft pick.
I think they were referring to his athleticism relative to his size.
In any event, we've moved on. Hoping Adams is a real steal.
Really like how he gets down the field. Very sharp on his cuts. Huge target. Eli is going to love this kid.
Brings a smile.
That really shocks me, because he honestly looked to me about as athletic in the games as a cardboard box.
Just prior to the draft, I began a thread in which I said that Day 3 would be most important for Jerry Reese...that he not "screw it up," that it was imperative for him to find decent role players, quality depth, if not starters. I'd like to think he exceeded my expectations, but only time will tell.
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4.56 40 at 264 pounds (Pro Day). 39.5" VJ, 11'03" BJ. Seems to me that Reese & Co. were blinded by that and failed to note his lack of instincts or production.
That really shocks me, because he honestly looked to me about as athletic in the games as a cardboard box.
I think that goes more to what I said about instincts and having a feel for the position. Just because you can run fast doesn't mean you can play fast. And it might be that he couldn't master the playbook, or lacked the "want to" (hat tip, JonC), to improve his game.
Regardless, he's history now. In the immortal words of Elmer Fudd, "Good widdance to bad wubbish."
These day 3 picks seem to have a lot of different people pretty excited. So far, Reese seems to have done well. Time will tell.
Tye will never be a dominant blocker because of his size but by the end of the season I felt he was already better than Donnell was. Adams can be a Martellus Bennett type of TE hopefully minus the attitude.
Boss
Koets
Johnson
Bradshaw
That alot of Day 2/3 talent.
There are lots of similarities with 2007. Stared off with a corner in round 1, WR in round 2. Got LBs, S, RB & TE later on.....And alot of them contributed...
Of course, this remains to be seen, training camp is still a ways off. And the other intangibles, that is if the injury bug doesn't bite again, rookies getting into the playbook and learning all of the plays and adjusting to the pace of being in the NFL are major factors to consider. Like I said it'll be fun to watch.
I nominate Phillip Dillard. No production OR measurables.
Compared to the days of David Markham, Sean Bennett and Joe Montgomery, however, Reese's mid-round picks are a paragon of logic.
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His athleticism was vastly overstated and the fact that they used a 4th round pick on a backup blocking TE in college probably makes this Jerry's worst draft pick.
I nominate Phillip Dillard. No production OR measurables.
Compared to the days of David Markham, Sean Bennett and Joe Montgomery, however, Reese's mid-round picks are a paragon of logic.
Hey man, Joe Montgomery was good that one game against the Jets in '99 !
Agreed… And here's another factor to consider. Giants usually have played very vanilla during the preseason while it seemed to me the opposing teams opened up their playbook a little bit and seem to outplay the Giants every time. Hopefully, with the new coaching staff this year will see a little bit more aggressiveness in the preseason… Not showing the entire play book but little wrinkles here and there to put the rookies in position to flash. Of course barring serious injuries.
Hey man, Joe Montgomery was good that one game against the Jets in '99 !
And Sean Bennett had a 4.3 YPC. Not too shabby.
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His athleticism was vastly overstated and the fact that they used a 4th round pick on a backup blocking TE in college probably makes this Jerry's worst draft pick.
I nominate Phillip Dillard. No production OR measurables.
Compared to the days of David Markham, Sean Bennett and Joe Montgomery, however, Reese's mid-round picks are a paragon of logic.
Hey man, Joe Montgomery was good that one game against the Jets in '99 !
Since 2007, the Giants are 22-14 in preseason games.
I don't know. Why did Tom Brady?
Like the moniker Ron Mexico?
;)
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Giants usually have played very vanilla during the preseason while it seemed to me the opposing teams opened up their playbook a little bit and seem to outplay the Giants every time.
Since 2007, the Giants are 22-14 in preseason games.
I don't know… As I remembered last year's game against the Bengals it seemed like Marvin Lewis was playing his team like it was the first game of the regular season not the first game of the preseason while the Giants looked rusty and flat. But, if it is all about wins and losses, I stand corrected.
It isn't fair to say that the giants are vanilla while their opponents are utilizing all the firepower they can. It also isn't fair to want to see McAdoo open things up, especially when we play Dallas Week 1. Why show things you don't need to?
It isn't fair to say that the giants are vanilla while their opponents are utilizing all the firepower they can. It also isn't fair to want to see McAdoo open things up, especially when we play Dallas Week 1. Why show things you don't need to?
With all due respect… Of course not… That would be silly and that's not what I was meaning. What I'm saying is, with the new coaching regime in place the basics have changed. They have a new playbook with new schemes that may allow for these promising rookies…to show something in plays that fit their skill set in game situations. At least that's my hope RE Adams based on what his former coach said in an interview on Big Blue kick off and what I have seen in highlight videos.
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His athleticism was vastly overstated and the fact that they used a 4th round pick on a backup blocking TE in college probably makes this Jerry's worst draft pick.
I nominate Phillip Dillard. No production OR measurables.
Compared to the days of David Markham, Sean Bennett and Joe Montgomery, however, Reese's mid-round picks are a paragon of logic.
Yeah Dillard was not a good pick.
I never get too excited or expect much from a rookie class, it's just a big leap to make, but I find myself having to temper my enthusiasm this year. I think this team got a lot better. And while you are what your record says, they lost something like 6 or 7 games by 5 points or less and were in all but 2 games in the 4th quarter. A 5 or 6 point swing, which is completely possible given how bad the D was last season, and they can win 10 or 11 games.
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of TEs.
Hopefully, people will put this "JPP of TEs" shit to bed sooner rather than later.
Was thinking the same thing. Boy is it old.
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There has to be some major flaws in this guys game, right? Why did he last so long?
I don't know. Why did Tom Brady?
Tom Brady was never thought of as a potential late first round/second round pick.
This kid was.......from what I have heard, it might be understanding the playbook.
I agree...and a lot of these rookies are simply trying just to survive during the preseason.
If he can simply contribute some in 2016 I would think we are fortunate.
I just hope he shows enough in preseason to stick, and then contribute some in regular season.
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There has to be some major flaws in this guys game, right? Why did he last so long?
I don't know. Why did Tom Brady?
Tom Brady was never thought of as a potential late first round/second round pick.
This kid was.......from what I have heard, it might be understanding the playbook.
No he wasn't. CBS, NFL.com, they all had him pegged for rds 3-4.
What I like about him is that even with instability at QB, he improved every year.
We'll probably never know about the stuff Sy alluded to in his report, but there is one thing we do know about Adams. This is a kid who asked his coach if he could play special teams because their STs needed help. That doesn't say "slacker" to me. And his coach said that the only reason they eventually took him off special teams was that he was becoming a bigger part of the offense. And, as I said earlier, he improved as a receiver every year. I don't know if you could say that about someone with a poor work ethic.
It could be that he was just frustrated by the shit show at SC during his time there, and maybe he expressed that frustration more than he should have. I don't know.
Wasn't a huge fan of The McAdoo hiring but hopefully the idiocy of clinging to shitty picks a a thing of the past w TC gone. If by year two a guybisnstllmthst lost holding onto him is a wasted roster spot.
Kid Adams can already block. No reason he can't help next year
How can a defense deal with those 4???
I dunno if I agree with this. If he can block like the reports say he can, he is a sure fire bet to start week 1 at TE.
The athleticism in this kid as far as moving as a large target and then running with purpose is something I haven't seen in a while. I have this weird and uncommon feeling he might be a really good get in the 6th. I get the feeling we will be talking about ODB and Adams with Shephard as an afterthought a few years down the road. The only thing is if he can go up and get it.