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Are the Giants "Almost There?"

gidiefor : Mod : 5/14/2016 7:24 am
Dan Graziano tweets he's a fan of the Giants, but he doesn't think so.
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I just don’t think fans really understand what the last three years were really about. They’re not “almost there.”


What do you think? Are the Giants are "almost there?"
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Are we there yet?  
Giantology : 5/14/2016 7:28 am : link
I think they're almost there  
micky : 5/14/2016 7:28 am : link
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To the start of training camp
We are no less there....  
Milton : 5/14/2016 7:39 am : link
...than we were going into 2007 and 2011. No team is perfect, not team is even close to perfect. The only thing separating the Giants from a Super Bowl run is the injury bug. If the key players stay healthy, they are as good as any team, certainly good enough to make the playoffs. And once you get to the playoffs it's all about momentum....and health.
What does he mean  
joeinpa : 5/14/2016 7:49 am : link
When he write: Most fans don t understand what the last three years
were about?

I know my take what s his. Poorly done on his part. That s a statement that needs clarification
What does he mean  
joeinpa : 5/14/2016 7:50 am : link
When he writes: Most fans don t understand what the last three years
were about?

I know my take what s his. Poorly done on his part. That s a statement that needs clarification
Ever year is a season of hope  
BlueHurricane : 5/14/2016 8:05 am : link
In the NFL teams go from trash to champs. Hopefully with a franchise QB and en entirely different defense we are one of those that make the leap.

And Last year we were razor close to winning a lot more than we lost with the worst defense the Giants have ever had.
Milt, how can you say that?  
Doomster : 5/14/2016 8:12 am : link
We are no less there....
Milton : 7:39 am : link

...than we were going into 2007 and 2011.

In neither year were we coming off 3 straight losing seasons....throw in a new HC, and practically a new defense that hasn't played together, and the comparison is not even close.

The one thing this team has to learn this season, is to gel as a team, and get their confidence back.....they have a shot at the division and the playoffs, but I don't think they have "it", that ability to make the "run" that they did in both of those seasons......this is still a team without real leadership.....something that doesn't happen over night...
Graziano sucks.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2016 8:19 am : link
I can't stand him.
The keys (for me) are of course health  
Big Blue '56 : 5/14/2016 8:21 am : link
and McAdoo, the HC unknown..We either have another Arnsparger or someone who will be here as the other very young upstarts Shula/Landry were..Not sure there's an in between albeit if we played around .500 ball that wouldn't be indicative of all that much, imo..

I'll take a stab at guessing and say, with Eli, OBJ an improved D (on paper) along with what appears to be a solid draft class(again, on paper), we are almost there
Btw, that's a stupid statement re "what the last 3 years  
Big Blue '56 : 5/14/2016 8:22 am : link
were all about." It means ZIP..Absolute ZIP..
This whole thing  
BlueManCrew : 5/14/2016 8:24 am : link
Is about who can stay healthy, and who can heat up at the right time. I think we have more talent on this roster than we did in 2011, but that team just peaked at the right moment. You fight to end up with a decent record in November, and pray to god no one gets carted off.
What Milton said  
BlueManCrew : 5/14/2016 8:26 am : link
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Doomster  
Klaatu : 5/14/2016 8:27 am : link
How do you know that "this is still a team without real leadership?" Have you been in the locker room, the weight room, the meeting rooms? Have you attended any of the OTAs? Have you spoken to any of the players, veterans or rookies? Inquiring minds want to know.
personally - I think the Giants are going to be  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/14/2016 8:31 am : link
surprisingly good this year -- I think McAdoo is the real deal and the team is going to bond around him and play it's heart out

with the subtraction/additions on offense -- there has been no backward steps

the defense has gotten a major infusion

- so yes -- i'll say the Giants are almost there
btw  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/14/2016 8:33 am : link
I agree with fiddy -- I have no idea what Graziano means when he says "what the last three years were all about"
I don't care what Graziano says  
5BowlsSoon : 5/14/2016 8:39 am : link
But I can't see why we can't win the NFC east if our players stay healthy with the addition of all of these new guys. We certainly have improved a lot and heck, we should have beaten the champion Panthers last year.
If we make the playoffs  
Carthonfan : 5/14/2016 8:47 am : link
It's a different ball game. And, again, 9 or 10 wins may win NFC East. I think there is a path to the Super Bowl even if they don't end up a top 5 team, which is outside of what they can accomplish during the regular season with a new coach and new D. The playoffs basically is a new season and by that time the team will be very different and still with a veteran QB who can lead thme on a 4 game run. I wouldn't discount them too early. They can also miss the playoffs, and then this argument is moot, but on the flip side I wouldn't categorically state that this team can't win it all.
Klaatu, not until we see it....  
Doomster : 5/14/2016 8:51 am : link
Doomster
Klaatu : 8:27 am : link : reply

How do you know that "this is still a team without real leadership?"

Who is the leader on defense?

BBI was getting excited about Flowers yelling last season, but until you walk the walk, and can back it up, it means nothing....

Despite his golly gee expressions, Eli is the anointed leader on offense, whether he wants it or not.....

And then we have McAdoo.....we questioned moves all year on offense, and attributed them to Coughlin.....now Mc is in charge......his first as a HC.....we have no idea what kind of leadership he will bring to this team, until we see it....this team is under pressure to win NOW.....I hope he can handle it....
RE: personally - I think the Giants are going to be  
micky : 5/14/2016 8:53 am : link
In comment 12957453 gidiefor said:
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surprisingly good this year -- I think McAdoo is the real deal and the team is going to bond around him and play it's heart out

with the subtraction/additions on offense -- there has been no backward steps

the defense has gotten a major infusion

- so yes -- i'll say the Giants are almost there



I hoping you're right..but saying "McAdoo is the real deal" no one can say as an affirmative..Even Mac doesn't know..Never been in the HC position. Only way to say he is or isn't is about 3 =4 years down the line, unless clearly a disaster.
It's not as dire as Graz makes it seem  
The_Boss : 5/14/2016 8:55 am : link
Not that it means anything, but the "feel/perception" of this team is a hell of a lot better heading into 2016 than it did heading into any of the past few seasons. I'm no Reese fan, I think he carries a lot of blame for the last 3 years. But, other than my uneasy feelings regarding the right side of the OL and his lack of action to address it thus far, he has done a commendable job this offseason. I think we're close. Perhaps one more offseason away. I think the ceiling for this (young) group is probably 8/9 wins. They'll compete for the division for sure but ultimately fall just short. In 2017, I think we can realistically expect 10+ wins and playoffs.
RE: Klaatu, not until we see it....  
Klaatu : 5/14/2016 9:05 am : link
In comment 12957470 Doomster said:
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Doomster
Klaatu : 8:27 am : link : reply

How do you know that "this is still a team without real leadership?"

Who is the leader on defense?

BBI was getting excited about Flowers yelling last season, but until you walk the walk, and can back it up, it means nothing....

Despite his golly gee expressions, Eli is the anointed leader on offense, whether he wants it or not.....

And then we have McAdoo.....we questioned moves all year on offense, and attributed them to Coughlin.....now Mc is in charge......his first as a HC.....we have no idea what kind of leadership he will bring to this team, until we see it....this team is under pressure to win NOW.....I hope he can handle it....


So, you don't really know, but you feel confident in saying that "this is still a team without real leadership." Got it.

Who is the leader on defense? I don't know, and let's face it, neither do you, but I'm not going to assume that there isn't one (or more), and let's face it, neither should you.

And then you pull out the Eli-and-his-expressions canard. Seriously/ After all this time and all he's accomplished? Incredible.
If they were able to have fixed the Oline  
Giant John : 5/14/2016 9:08 am : link
I'd be inclined to agree. I'll believe it when I see it.
RE: RE: Klaatu, not until we see it....  
Big Blue '56 : 5/14/2016 9:08 am : link
In comment 12957481 Klaatu said:
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In comment 12957470 Doomster said:


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Doomster
Klaatu : 8:27 am : link : reply

How do you know that "this is still a team without real leadership?"

Who is the leader on defense?

BBI was getting excited about Flowers yelling last season, but until you walk the walk, and can back it up, it means nothing....

Despite his golly gee expressions, Eli is the anointed leader on offense, whether he wants it or not.....

And then we have McAdoo.....we questioned moves all year on offense, and attributed them to Coughlin.....now Mc is in charge......his first as a HC.....we have no idea what kind of leadership he will bring to this team, until we see it....this team is under pressure to win NOW.....I hope he can handle it....



So, you don't really know, but you feel confident in saying that "this is still a team without real leadership." Got it.

Who is the leader on defense? I don't know, and let's face it, neither do you, but I'm not going to assume that there isn't one (or more), and let's face it, neither should you.

And then you pull out the Eli-and-his-expressions canard. Seriously/ After all this time and all he's accomplished? Incredible.


I think the players Spags has now may actually bring out the best in him. I believe he will be able to go full throttle with them..Is it my optimism talking? Sure..But he's got some talent and hopefully health to work with, imo
This team should have been 8-8 last year.  
drkenneth : 5/14/2016 9:12 am : link
The arrow is pointing up. 10 wins in not unreasonable with this roster and schedule.

Fucking relax.
RE: RE: personally - I think the Giants are going to be  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/14/2016 9:14 am : link
In comment 12957472 micky said:
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saying "McAdoo is the real deal" no one can say as an affirmative..Even Mac doesn't know..Never been in the HC position. Only way to say he is or isn't is about 3 =4 years down the line, unless clearly a disaster.


I said it - so "no one can say it" it not a true statement
Gidiefor, my apologies  
GMen23 : 5/14/2016 9:23 am : link
Was in the mood to post a topic, and didn't realize it was close to yours, till after submission. I enjoy reading your threads.

And yes we're close.
I think they have  
Mike B from JC : 5/14/2016 9:32 am : link
Improved alot.they have a great shot at making the playoffs and doing some damage, once they get in. Lots of if's. If they stay healthy, if the players they obtained play up to their potential. If they address still obvious holes like RT. Btw, which I think they will. Eli, can and will lead this team. Far and away a better team than last year.
'Are the Giants "Almost There?'...  
Torrag : 5/14/2016 9:52 am : link
...I think it's realistically about 2017. Still a lot of question marks to answer on this roster. Playoffs are certainly a possibility bit seriously contending is another matter altogether.
As for McAdoo I think the players will give it everything they have  
dpinzow : 5/14/2016 9:58 am : link
for him so the effort will be there

In terms of "almost there," I don't think so but we have improved a great deal and will have to wait until December to see
first, Graziano is an eagle fan.....not a Giants fan  
George from PA : 5/14/2016 10:22 am : link
So who cares what he thinks
second, we are there to compete  
George from PA : 5/14/2016 10:25 am : link
We still need a stud RT and a #2 WR.....I have my doubts that Cruz is anything more then Shepard back up in the slot.

Defense is rough to say what we need.....we might have everything and just need snergy
RE: first, Graziano is an eagle fan.....not a Giants fan  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/14/2016 10:26 am : link
In comment 12957559 George from PA said:
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So who cares what he thinks

George in his tweets he indicated that he is a Giants fan - and then said that he was still obligated as a beat reporter to give his hard observations about the team - i don't think he's an Eagles fan - he's also hosted a Giants fan site before he went to work for ESPN
RE: btw  
RetroJint : 5/14/2016 10:45 am : link
In comment 12957454 gidiefor said:
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I agree with fiddy -- I have no idea what Graziano means when he says "what the last three years were all about"

He has said it in the past. The Giants were a shit team, void of talent, made more so by an amazing number of injuries due, in part, by management's unwillingness to regard health history as a metric. Oh, and that Tom Coughlin remained one of the best coaches and in the league throughout. That's what he meant. And that's what I meant, which earned me a "hamster" designation from one of the posters on this site.

OK, what happened after Coughlin's firing? 80 million was spent to put some teeth back in a defense that allowed a 49% 3rd Down conversion rate, while allowing the most passing yards in league history. And, lo & behold, health history was viewed as a metric in this season's orgy of acquisitions. Heavy is the crown, bud. What were you writing these last three years?
He's an eagle fan  
Canton : 5/14/2016 10:54 am : link
He stated it was so, when he took over the beat.
If they had already fixed the OL  
Phil in LA : 5/14/2016 11:21 am : link
I would say yes. Because of their uncustomary cap position at the start of FA, and their top 10 draft position, I thought they were a candidate for a quick turnaround. But, until they upgrade the right side of the line, I'm not sure.
RE: I think they have  
dg901 : 5/14/2016 11:26 am : link
In comment 12957519 Mike B from JC said:
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Improved alot.they have a great shot at making the playoffs and doing some damage, once they get in. Lots of if's. If they stay healthy, if the players they obtained play up to their potential. If they address still obvious holes like RT. Btw, which I think they will. Eli, can and will lead this team. Far and away a better team than last year.

Our starting RT is already on the team, I don't mean Newhouse, ie. Cleary/Stingily.
RE: It's not as dire as Graz makes it seem  
dg901 : 5/14/2016 11:31 am : link
In comment 12957473 The_Boss said:
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Not that it means anything, but the "feel/perception" of this team is a hell of a lot better heading into 2016 than it did heading into any of the past few seasons. I'm no Reese fan, I think he carries a lot of blame for the last 3 years. But, other than my uneasy feelings regarding the right side of the OL and his lack of action to address it thus far, he has done a commendable job this offseason. I think we're close. Perhaps one more offseason away. I think the ceiling for this (young) group is probably 8/9 wins. They'll compete for the division for sure but ultimately fall just short. In 2017, I think we can realistically expect 10+ wins and playoffs.

Stingily was brought in, he has the qualities you want in a RT. Cleary isn't looking bad in relation to Newhouse either.
Nobody knows the answer to this  
UberAlias : 5/14/2016 12:13 pm : link
Everything that has been done needs to be proven out on the field. This team has a lot of young developing un-proven players. I just don't see how Graziano can leap to judgement that they are not almost there, and similarly how others can conclude they are. But I will add this, in general, the turnarounds can happen quickly. Health has also played a part in recent performances, and nobody has a crystal bar for that.

Aside form the coaching changes, the simplest way to view this team is a one that has two of the critical pieces in place: a quality franchise QB and a legitimate super star in Odell, but otherwise a lot of unproven potential.

They have been suffering through a series of very poor drafts, compounded by statistically puzzling poor health. However the recent drafts in '13, '14, '15, and '16 appear much more promising, but the fact of the matter is we only have Odell, Richburg, Pugh, and Hankins as true sure fire hits at this point. Others have promise, as do the big name defensive FA signees this offseason, but there is an awful lot which now needs to be proven on the field.

If we are talking being competitive, having a winning record and making the playoffs, that is certainly possible should we see some positive answers in the areas I've mentioned as well as from the coaching changes. In terms of being a legitimate contender this year, I would say that is very unlikely. I like what has been done and anticipate the arrow is moving in the right direction. But even with some good answers, there are likely to remain holes in areas. And even with some good answers, I also think this team would need another big time difference maker to put them over the top. Perhaps if Cruz or JPP somehow make a trip back in time, or one of these young players just blows up beyond all expectations. But I'm not counting on it.
Short summary ...yes  
Shockwave : 5/14/2016 12:21 pm : link
Doesn't matter what any of the critics say. As long as Eli and Bevkham are healthy we will have a chance. Improving things around them only makes it more likely.

People seem to forget that we lost most all our games by extremely small margins of just flat out at the end of games. 1 player can make the players around him better, if a few of these guys pan out from FA then it's likely we will have at least a average defense.

The Giants could absolutely be "Almost There"  
sjnyfan : 5/14/2016 12:21 pm : link
The Panthers had a losing record 5 of the last six seasons before going 15-1 and a Super Bowl berth last season. This is after a 2014 season where they had to win their last 4 games just to get into the playoffs only to lose all of their receivers and put their franchise QB behind a mediocre line.

The Vikings were the 3 seed last year after going 12-19-1 the previous two seasons, losing seasons four of the past five, three coaches and going from one 1st rd QB to another.

What makes the NFL so great is parity. We won our two most recent Super Bowls with a combined regular season record of 19-13. Our biggest problem over the past several years has been health, especially among key starters. Hopefully the new S&C coach can help with that. If we stay healthy overall in today's NFL, we definitely have a shot. That may sound overly optimistic but all you have to do is check recent history around the league.
I don't think Graziano  
BillT : 5/14/2016 12:37 pm : link
really understands what the last three years were really about. They were about one thing first and foremost. Injuries. Without them TC is still probably the coach and we probably would have had a playoff appearance or two.
I think the Giants are about 2/3 of the way there.  
TC : 5/14/2016 12:55 pm : link
But if true, I don't know how much that means. A team 2/3 of the way there can still turn out to be a very poor, or very good team depending upon a variety of factors, injuries being one very that's critical.

I hope that more players on the Giants will step forward. OBJ, hot dog though he may be, is more than just a very good player, he's a play maker and tone setter. Get a few more of those on both sides of the ball, and interesting things can begin to happen. Players like that can make everyone around them play better, both by their actual play, and by the example they set.

I know that not everyone here was wild about Strahan when he was here, likely because of his contract disputes. But what I saw is a leader on the field who led by example, and held his teammates accountable for their play also. The Giants need a few more guys like that.
GTFO Grazino himself said he was an Eagles fan  
Mason : 5/14/2016 1:05 pm : link
When did he 'become' a Giants fan? Both he and Clayton said that the 2011 Giants were the worst SB champions. I can't imagine any fan saying that about their team.

The guy was talking up the Eagles acquiring Vince Young as a back up like they were touching up a masterpiece. That's how a rabid fan thinks of their team. No he's an Eagle fan.
RE: I don't think Graziano  
mrvax : 5/14/2016 1:19 pm : link
In comment 12957641 BillT said:
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really understands what the last three years were really about. They were about one thing first and foremost. Injuries. Without them TC is still probably the coach and we probably would have had a playoff appearance or two.


Good job, Bill. The injuries to starters forced a lot of guys off the bench who were not really supposed to be on the field.

I also think a big plus is the new position coaches they acquired and improved the S&C program. Also, McAdoo said he was putting together a solid team of folks who's job it was to help make critical in-game decisions, specifically near the end of the game. That's where TC's blunders last year cost the team at least 2 wins.
Every team is almost rhere  
AP in Halfmoon : 5/14/2016 1:19 pm : link
And is capable of getting hot. It happens every year
I'd love to know what the last 3 years  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2016 1:29 pm : link
I saw bad decisions, bad luck, and guys getting older combine to create bad football. I don't think those years were "about" anything specific, except not having enough talent and possibly a coaching staff that got a little stale.

Had we made a couple better decisions and gotten a little better luck any of those years could have gone differently (especially last year). Not sure being "almost there" means anything, the question is will this team be better than the team across from them more times then not next season? I think we've made better decisions in the draft the last few years and made some good decisions this offseason, so at least part of the equation is tipping. Like every team we will need to get some luck too.
Starter wise  
JPinstripes : 5/14/2016 1:31 pm : link
yes, the Giants made huge upgrades to the personal, especially the D.

Back ups will all be young and unproven causing valid concerns.
Personnel  
JPinstripes : 5/14/2016 1:34 pm : link
= Personal
Every team relies on health s  
djm : 5/14/2016 1:43 pm : link
So let's throw that out. The key last year was the 4th quarter and the key in 2916 will be the 4th quarter. 2013-2014 teams couldn't compete for the most part. Last year's team competed but couldn't close. The team is better and deeper but still needs to prove it can close games.

Injuries? No shit. But last year's team was flawed so thst injuries would be an even bigger blow. That won't be the case as much this coming season.

Gotta close. Gotta learn to win.
2916 should be 2016  
djm : 5/14/2016 1:44 pm : link
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Graziano just comes off as dooshy  
djm : 5/14/2016 1:47 pm : link
And somewhat anti nyg. Even when he tries not to its still there.

Oh enlighten us oh great one what were the prior three seasons all about?

Losing. That's what it was about. Getting good draft picks and clearing out the veteran dead weight and cap killers so that the Giants could strike in FA and add young veteran star power. The time is now.
RE: GTFO Grazino himself said he was an Eagles fan  
Devon : 5/14/2016 1:54 pm : link
In comment 12957650 Mason said:
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When did he 'become' a Giants fan? Both he and Clayton said that the 2011 Giants were the worst SB champions. I can't imagine any fan saying that about their team.

The guy was talking up the Eagles acquiring Vince Young as a back up like they were touching up a masterpiece. That's how a rabid fan thinks of their team. No he's an Eagle fan.


Both he and Clayton were very likely right (the Giants themselves would have been better off realizing what that team actually was instead of the mostly stay the course route they took). Doesn't mean anyone is taking the trophy back or any of our enjoyment of that run gets taken away to admit it. The worst SB champion is still a SB champion.

People give Graziano shit, some of which deserved, but his "negativity" has been far more right in recent seasons than the predictions/outlook of most of those who kill him for it. He's said he thinks they're going to go 8-8 this season -- hardly a prediction to get the pitchforks out over.
We're headed in the right direction  
David in LA : 5/14/2016 2:29 pm : link
I don't think anyone will argue that. We have a much better team than last year's. With a little luck in the injury department, I think we can make the playoffs.
RE: Every team relies on health s  
dust_bowl : 5/14/2016 2:29 pm : link
In comment 12957673 djm said:
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So let's throw that out. The key last year was the 4th quarter and the key in 2916 will be the 4th quarter. 2013-2014 teams couldn't compete for the most part. Last year's team competed but couldn't close. The team is better and deeper but still needs to prove it can close games.

Injuries? No shit. But last year's team was flawed so thst injuries would be an even bigger blow. That won't be the case as much this coming season.

Gotta close. Gotta learn to win.
the key to that will be the o line. I think if we can snag one starter and some quality depth guys that this team can be very good.
I'd also like to add  
David in LA : 5/14/2016 2:33 pm : link
that the process will be expedited if Bobby Hart can win the job and prove in practice and preseason that he should be the starter at RT. I don't think Jerry's as big of a concern as people make it out to be. McAdoo sounds like the job is his this year. He flat out said Newhouse is a good back up.
RE: This team should have been 8-8 last year.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/14/2016 3:13 pm : link
In comment 12957489 drkenneth said:
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The arrow is pointing up. 10 wins in not unreasonable with this roster and schedule.

Fucking relax.


Seems like the only one who needs to relax around here is you. You literally get worked up into a frenzy anytime you read a post that isn't gargling this franchises' load.

Seek professional help as soon as possible.
You think that is getting worked up in a frenzy?  
David in LA : 5/14/2016 3:17 pm : link
Fucking relax.
SMH  
BleedBlue : 5/14/2016 4:00 pm : link
i CANNOT WAIT for this season to start i really cant. First off name our serious holes? the right side of OL and DL depth are the two majors and thats truly about it. yes we have some young guys we are counting on to have some impact but thats not impossible at all. and while we all hate the right siee of our OL arguing that it wasnt good enough to win is dumb we scored a ton of points on carolina who has a GREAT defense. the defense was our issue we have invested dollars and high draft picks on it. it will be better. i am more excited for this season than i have been for the last three. we arent far from being a winning football team AT ALL. shit a few plays here and there and we could have been one last season. we are much improved and i am VERY VER excited for what 2016 will bring. if we stay healthy we are going to shock a lot of people
Hell Yes  
Bluesbreaker : 5/14/2016 5:10 pm : link
We went toe to toe with two Elite Teams with
the Worst Defense in the Hemisphere .
Biggest Question is Health secondly our
New Head Coach's ability to Motivate and Game Plan.
Especially in Game .
If the FA Play up to the Back of there cards
hell Yeah .
Add in three Nice Pieces on the Offense .
Jerell Adams is Intriguing .
Sheppard could be a real Key as well .
Getting Perkins and a Couple of WR with size
Davis Powe Lewis Boone are guys to keep an Eye On.
Be Nice to get another Cruz Type Talent from
one of them .
I'm Excited and still hoping they add another
starter or Quality Back up for the O-line .
Giants  
PaulN : 5/14/2016 5:15 pm : link
Misread how far away they were, but I think they now understand that, this season will be an interesting season, I have no idea how good they can be, or how bad to be honest. I have to admit that I am very hopeful though, the changes that were made were needed, Coughlin had to go, I don't blame him at all for last season and people who do are clueless, but he needed to go anyway, he is 69 and the team needed a new start and fresh ideas.
RE: You think that is getting worked up in a frenzy?  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/14/2016 5:23 pm : link
In comment 12957723 David in LA said:
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Fucking relax.


The guy tells everyone to relax at the slightest bit of criticism to a team that hasn't made the postseason in 5 years, lel. Strange guy.
To answer the question posed by the OP, no.  
Red Dog : 5/14/2016 6:00 pm : link
.
With,  
oldog : 5/14/2016 6:24 pm : link
easier schedule, improved offence, seasoned and veteran hall of fame QB, prodigy receiver, competent and improving O-Line, completely reworked defense, and courage and leadership of JPP, as well as a younger coaching staff that has at its head someone who has shown that he can adapt and improve at least the offensive aspect of the team, there is no doubt that the Giants are almost there.
Twitter allows otherwise reasonably intelligent people  
mfsd : 5/14/2016 6:34 pm : link
To communicate like fucking children

As for the Giants, had our defense not been historically awful, we could have been 9-7 or 10-6. Super Bowl contender? No.

But IMO with the effort to upgrade the defense and continued mastery of the offense, we could well be much closer to contender than last year.

But god forbid some hack like Graziano discuss his thoughts like a professional, rather than use Twitter like a fucking infant to mock Giants fans
I think they are almost there...  
Jerry's Kids : 5/14/2016 6:42 pm : link
Still need to add a couple of pieces for depth. But I think the offense is going to light it up! Like Green Bay style...the defense, who knows? Still a lot of question marks and they could still add another pass rusher or linebacker. They are asking a lot of their young safeties, whoever starts back there. Can one of these linebackers step up and be a leader? Things have to break right with injuries as well. It's asking a lot, but they have a chance to win 11 games. Okay maybe that's just being a touch optimistic.
Depends on definition of almost there  
JohnVB : 5/14/2016 6:57 pm : link
If we're talking playoffs and winning a game or two, I think that's achievable with the current roster and some injury luck. I'm not blown away by anybody else in the NFCE.

If we're talking Super Bowl, then we're probably one off season away outside of some Eli post season magic. The Giants could use another offseason with upgrades on the right side of the OL, depth at DL, and a reliable staple at MLB.

This team has a lot of upside with the moves they made in FA and the draft. They still have a few holes, but they added a lot of playmakers.
As it stands, the team has MANY flaws and it is hard to see  
Dry Lightning : 5/14/2016 7:57 pm : link
anything other than a high of 9 wins and a quick playoff exit. There really is no bottom. But that is, as it stands. No one knows what this year will bring because players change. They get better. They get hurt. Same with the other teams. This team has some youth to it, and youth usually means improvement. But we will see.
I know a lot of posters won't agree  
Vanzetti : 5/15/2016 2:54 am : link
but I think the big key is Cruz. Not expecting 2011 Cruz but even if he comes back as 2013 Cruz, that would be huge. That way, Shep becomes the #3 receiver, much like Steve Smith in 2007. That would be a very potent offense.

I think the defense is going to be good but not dominant. To be contenders, they need the offense to be very potent.
RE: RE: You think that is getting worked up in a frenzy?  
drkenneth : 5/15/2016 3:13 am : link
In comment 12957791 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 12957723 David in LA said:


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Fucking relax.



The guy tells everyone to relax at the slightest bit of criticism to a team that hasn't made the postseason in 5 years, lel. Strange guy.


And you're the guy whose on every thread complaining about something. I'm simply saying this team isn't the dumpster fire BBI thinks it is.

I know how strange that must sound.

Always drama over here. Like a bunch of 15 year olds. It's called seeing the big picture.
RE: You think that is getting worked up in a frenzy?  
drkenneth : 5/15/2016 3:16 am : link
In comment 12957723 David in LA said:
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Fucking relax.


David in LA = West Coast drkenneth.

We seem to be on the same page around here.
RE: He's an eagle fan  
NYDCBlue : 5/15/2016 2:21 pm : link
In comment 12957576 Canton said:
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He stated it was so, when he took over the beat.


I feel like all our beat reporters are now falsely getting that tag ever since Garafolo admitted he is a Eagles fan. Funny thing is, he is the one guy who I never see being accused as an Eagles fan, and he actually is the one. I doubt all of Garafolo, Raanan, AND Graziano are ALL Eagles fans.... By averages, at least one of then should be a cow flops fan.... ;)
RE: You think that is getting worked up in a frenzy?  
mrvax : 5/15/2016 2:36 pm : link
In comment 12957975 drkenneth said:
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I'm simply saying this team isn't the dumpster fire BBI thinks it is.

I know how strange that must sound.

Always drama over here. Like a bunch of 15 year olds. It's called seeing the big picture.


Ken: I think most posters on BBI now believe that there is reason for hope this season. I haven't seen too many doom and gloom posts.

I think that BBIers that post here that do not see reason for hope now are just not very smart football fans.

We now have a lot of pieces in place for now and the future (Goodson). If they gel quickly (and I don't expect this )they could easily win 12 games this year. The worst I could see is 9-7 unless we get hammered by injuries again.
RE: RE: You think that is getting worked up in a frenzy?  
drkenneth : 5/15/2016 2:41 pm : link
In comment 12958316 mrvax said:
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In comment 12957975 drkenneth said:


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I'm simply saying this team isn't the dumpster fire BBI thinks it is.

I know how strange that must sound.

Always drama over here. Like a bunch of 15 year olds. It's called seeing the big picture.



Ken: I think most posters on BBI now believe that there is reason for hope this season. I haven't seen too many doom and gloom posts.

I think that BBIers that post here that do not see reason for hope now are just not very smart football fans.

We now have a lot of pieces in place for now and the future (Goodson). If they gel quickly (and I don't expect this )they could easily win 12 games this year. The worst I could see is 9-7 unless we get hammered by injuries again.


Agree 100%. Good post.

The NFL isn't as good as BBI thinks it is. There are no dominate teams anymore, there's no such thing as "depth", and GUESS WHAT: ALL TEAMS HAVE HOLES.

We need a veteran player on the ride side of OL. That would be the cherry on top of the off-season.
RE: RE: RE: You think that is getting worked up in a frenzy?  
mrvax : 5/15/2016 2:53 pm : link
In comment 12958320 drkenneth said:
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We need a veteran player on the ride side of OL. That would be the cherry on top of the off-season.


Agreed. I'm not too worried. I think all along Reese wanted to see what shakes out post June 1st to see if he could upgrade the Oline. I'd be surprised if Reese didn't even try.
If the right side of OL holds up  
Vanzetti : 5/15/2016 3:47 pm : link
Then "yes" the Giants are almost there and could very well be "there" by the end of the season if some of the young guys excel and Cruz returns to form

Of course that is a big "if,"
i know this sounds a little butt hurt  
djm : 5/16/2016 1:36 pm : link
but the Giants definitely get more heat and scrutiny than other teams do. For a team that makes the playoffs more than half the time and has won 5 NFC titles over a 30 year period I am certain that the Giants were picked to suck or underachieve probably closer to 80% of the time. Even in the Parcells days the Giants had to earn a lot of respect from the media. They were picked to suck by mnay in 1989. That's all one needs to know.

Yesterday on Sirius someone was saying the Giants had sooooo many question marks then in the next breath fully expects the Bears to win 9 games or so because they competed last season--despite the 6-10 record.

The Giants always get a lot of negative take while teams like Dallas always seem to receive benefit of the doubt, at least until the season starts.

that's not to say  
djm : 5/16/2016 1:38 pm : link
the Giants should be talked up as some unstoppable force heading into 2016. But cmon they were picked to finish 3rd or 4th by a lot of people in 2008. Probably even worse in 2011.
If the Giants have any semblance of a running game  
Patrick77 : 5/16/2016 1:41 pm : link
Then yes they are there. The defensive line, secondary, and linebackers have enough talent and speed that if they play to even a portion of their potential the defense is massively improved.

The offense needs to be able to control the clock at times and impose their will at others. I'm more worried about the OL depth than I am the starters. If a guy like Hart or Jerry gets hurt the next man up is who? I'd like to see at least one veteran signed before the season.
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