Dan Graziano tweets he's a fan of the Giants, but he doesn't think so.
I just don’t think fans really understand what the last three years were really about. They’re not “almost there.” |
What do you think? Are the Giants are "almost there?"
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I know my take what s his. Poorly done on his part. That s a statement that needs clarification
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I know my take what s his. Poorly done on his part. That s a statement that needs clarification
And Last year we were razor close to winning a lot more than we lost with the worst defense the Giants have ever had.
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...than we were going into 2007 and 2011.
In neither year were we coming off 3 straight losing seasons....throw in a new HC, and practically a new defense that hasn't played together, and the comparison is not even close.
The one thing this team has to learn this season, is to gel as a team, and get their confidence back.....they have a shot at the division and the playoffs, but I don't think they have "it", that ability to make the "run" that they did in both of those seasons......this is still a team without real leadership.....something that doesn't happen over night...
I'll take a stab at guessing and say, with Eli, OBJ an improved D (on paper) along with what appears to be a solid draft class(again, on paper), we are almost there
with the subtraction/additions on offense -- there has been no backward steps
the defense has gotten a major infusion
- so yes -- i'll say the Giants are almost there
Klaatu : 8:27 am : link : reply
How do you know that "this is still a team without real leadership?"
Who is the leader on defense?
BBI was getting excited about Flowers yelling last season, but until you walk the walk, and can back it up, it means nothing....
Despite his golly gee expressions, Eli is the anointed leader on offense, whether he wants it or not.....
And then we have McAdoo.....we questioned moves all year on offense, and attributed them to Coughlin.....now Mc is in charge......his first as a HC.....we have no idea what kind of leadership he will bring to this team, until we see it....this team is under pressure to win NOW.....I hope he can handle it....
with the subtraction/additions on offense -- there has been no backward steps
the defense has gotten a major infusion
- so yes -- i'll say the Giants are almost there
I hoping you're right..but saying "McAdoo is the real deal" no one can say as an affirmative..Even Mac doesn't know..Never been in the HC position. Only way to say he is or isn't is about 3 =4 years down the line, unless clearly a disaster.
Klaatu : 8:27 am : link : reply
How do you know that "this is still a team without real leadership?"
Who is the leader on defense?
BBI was getting excited about Flowers yelling last season, but until you walk the walk, and can back it up, it means nothing....
Despite his golly gee expressions, Eli is the anointed leader on offense, whether he wants it or not.....
And then we have McAdoo.....we questioned moves all year on offense, and attributed them to Coughlin.....now Mc is in charge......his first as a HC.....we have no idea what kind of leadership he will bring to this team, until we see it....this team is under pressure to win NOW.....I hope he can handle it....
So, you don't really know, but you feel confident in saying that "this is still a team without real leadership." Got it.
Who is the leader on defense? I don't know, and let's face it, neither do you, but I'm not going to assume that there isn't one (or more), and let's face it, neither should you.
And then you pull out the Eli-and-his-expressions canard. Seriously/ After all this time and all he's accomplished? Incredible.
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Klaatu : 8:27 am : link : reply
How do you know that "this is still a team without real leadership?"
Who is the leader on defense?
BBI was getting excited about Flowers yelling last season, but until you walk the walk, and can back it up, it means nothing....
Despite his golly gee expressions, Eli is the anointed leader on offense, whether he wants it or not.....
And then we have McAdoo.....we questioned moves all year on offense, and attributed them to Coughlin.....now Mc is in charge......his first as a HC.....we have no idea what kind of leadership he will bring to this team, until we see it....this team is under pressure to win NOW.....I hope he can handle it....
So, you don't really know, but you feel confident in saying that "this is still a team without real leadership." Got it.
Who is the leader on defense? I don't know, and let's face it, neither do you, but I'm not going to assume that there isn't one (or more), and let's face it, neither should you.
And then you pull out the Eli-and-his-expressions canard. Seriously/ After all this time and all he's accomplished? Incredible.
I think the players Spags has now may actually bring out the best in him. I believe he will be able to go full throttle with them..Is it my optimism talking? Sure..But he's got some talent and hopefully health to work with, imo
Fucking relax.
I said it - so "no one can say it" it not a true statement
And yes we're close.
In terms of "almost there," I don't think so but we have improved a great deal and will have to wait until December to see
Defense is rough to say what we need.....we might have everything and just need snergy
George in his tweets he indicated that he is a Giants fan - and then said that he was still obligated as a beat reporter to give his hard observations about the team - i don't think he's an Eagles fan - he's also hosted a Giants fan site before he went to work for ESPN
He has said it in the past. The Giants were a shit team, void of talent, made more so by an amazing number of injuries due, in part, by management's unwillingness to regard health history as a metric. Oh, and that Tom Coughlin remained one of the best coaches and in the league throughout. That's what he meant. And that's what I meant, which earned me a "hamster" designation from one of the posters on this site.
OK, what happened after Coughlin's firing? 80 million was spent to put some teeth back in a defense that allowed a 49% 3rd Down conversion rate, while allowing the most passing yards in league history. And, lo & behold, health history was viewed as a metric in this season's orgy of acquisitions. Heavy is the crown, bud. What were you writing these last three years?
Our starting RT is already on the team, I don't mean Newhouse, ie. Cleary/Stingily.
Stingily was brought in, he has the qualities you want in a RT. Cleary isn't looking bad in relation to Newhouse either.
Aside form the coaching changes, the simplest way to view this team is a one that has two of the critical pieces in place: a quality franchise QB and a legitimate super star in Odell, but otherwise a lot of unproven potential.
They have been suffering through a series of very poor drafts, compounded by statistically puzzling poor health. However the recent drafts in '13, '14, '15, and '16 appear much more promising, but the fact of the matter is we only have Odell, Richburg, Pugh, and Hankins as true sure fire hits at this point. Others have promise, as do the big name defensive FA signees this offseason, but there is an awful lot which now needs to be proven on the field.
If we are talking being competitive, having a winning record and making the playoffs, that is certainly possible should we see some positive answers in the areas I've mentioned as well as from the coaching changes. In terms of being a legitimate contender this year, I would say that is very unlikely. I like what has been done and anticipate the arrow is moving in the right direction. But even with some good answers, there are likely to remain holes in areas. And even with some good answers, I also think this team would need another big time difference maker to put them over the top. Perhaps if Cruz or JPP somehow make a trip back in time, or one of these young players just blows up beyond all expectations. But I'm not counting on it.
People seem to forget that we lost most all our games by extremely small margins of just flat out at the end of games. 1 player can make the players around him better, if a few of these guys pan out from FA then it's likely we will have at least a average defense.
The Vikings were the 3 seed last year after going 12-19-1 the previous two seasons, losing seasons four of the past five, three coaches and going from one 1st rd QB to another.
What makes the NFL so great is parity. We won our two most recent Super Bowls with a combined regular season record of 19-13. Our biggest problem over the past several years has been health, especially among key starters. Hopefully the new S&C coach can help with that. If we stay healthy overall in today's NFL, we definitely have a shot. That may sound overly optimistic but all you have to do is check recent history around the league.
I hope that more players on the Giants will step forward. OBJ, hot dog though he may be, is more than just a very good player, he's a play maker and tone setter. Get a few more of those on both sides of the ball, and interesting things can begin to happen. Players like that can make everyone around them play better, both by their actual play, and by the example they set.
I know that not everyone here was wild about Strahan when he was here, likely because of his contract disputes. But what I saw is a leader on the field who led by example, and held his teammates accountable for their play also. The Giants need a few more guys like that.
The guy was talking up the Eagles acquiring Vince Young as a back up like they were touching up a masterpiece. That's how a rabid fan thinks of their team. No he's an Eagle fan.
Good job, Bill. The injuries to starters forced a lot of guys off the bench who were not really supposed to be on the field.
I also think a big plus is the new position coaches they acquired and improved the S&C program. Also, McAdoo said he was putting together a solid team of folks who's job it was to help make critical in-game decisions, specifically near the end of the game. That's where TC's blunders last year cost the team at least 2 wins.
Had we made a couple better decisions and gotten a little better luck any of those years could have gone differently (especially last year). Not sure being "almost there" means anything, the question is will this team be better than the team across from them more times then not next season? I think we've made better decisions in the draft the last few years and made some good decisions this offseason, so at least part of the equation is tipping. Like every team we will need to get some luck too.
Back ups will all be young and unproven causing valid concerns.
Injuries? No shit. But last year's team was flawed so thst injuries would be an even bigger blow. That won't be the case as much this coming season.
Gotta close. Gotta learn to win.
Oh enlighten us oh great one what were the prior three seasons all about?
Losing. That's what it was about. Getting good draft picks and clearing out the veteran dead weight and cap killers so that the Giants could strike in FA and add young veteran star power. The time is now.
The guy was talking up the Eagles acquiring Vince Young as a back up like they were touching up a masterpiece. That's how a rabid fan thinks of their team. No he's an Eagle fan.
Both he and Clayton were very likely right (the Giants themselves would have been better off realizing what that team actually was instead of the mostly stay the course route they took). Doesn't mean anyone is taking the trophy back or any of our enjoyment of that run gets taken away to admit it. The worst SB champion is still a SB champion.
People give Graziano shit, some of which deserved, but his "negativity" has been far more right in recent seasons than the predictions/outlook of most of those who kill him for it. He's said he thinks they're going to go 8-8 this season -- hardly a prediction to get the pitchforks out over.
Injuries? No shit. But last year's team was flawed so thst injuries would be an even bigger blow. That won't be the case as much this coming season.
Gotta close. Gotta learn to win.
Fucking relax.
Seems like the only one who needs to relax around here is you. You literally get worked up into a frenzy anytime you read a post that isn't gargling this franchises' load.
Seek professional help as soon as possible.
the Worst Defense in the Hemisphere .
Biggest Question is Health secondly our
New Head Coach's ability to Motivate and Game Plan.
Especially in Game .
If the FA Play up to the Back of there cards
hell Yeah .
Add in three Nice Pieces on the Offense .
Jerell Adams is Intriguing .
Sheppard could be a real Key as well .
Getting Perkins and a Couple of WR with size
Davis Powe Lewis Boone are guys to keep an Eye On.
Be Nice to get another Cruz Type Talent from
one of them .
I'm Excited and still hoping they add another
starter or Quality Back up for the O-line .
The guy tells everyone to relax at the slightest bit of criticism to a team that hasn't made the postseason in 5 years, lel. Strange guy.
As for the Giants, had our defense not been historically awful, we could have been 9-7 or 10-6. Super Bowl contender? No.
But IMO with the effort to upgrade the defense and continued mastery of the offense, we could well be much closer to contender than last year.
But god forbid some hack like Graziano discuss his thoughts like a professional, rather than use Twitter like a fucking infant to mock Giants fans
If we're talking Super Bowl, then we're probably one off season away outside of some Eli post season magic. The Giants could use another offseason with upgrades on the right side of the OL, depth at DL, and a reliable staple at MLB.
This team has a lot of upside with the moves they made in FA and the draft. They still have a few holes, but they added a lot of playmakers.
I think the defense is going to be good but not dominant. To be contenders, they need the offense to be very potent.
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Fucking relax.
The guy tells everyone to relax at the slightest bit of criticism to a team that hasn't made the postseason in 5 years, lel. Strange guy.
And you're the guy whose on every thread complaining about something. I'm simply saying this team isn't the dumpster fire BBI thinks it is.
I know how strange that must sound.
Always drama over here. Like a bunch of 15 year olds. It's called seeing the big picture.
David in LA = West Coast drkenneth.
We seem to be on the same page around here.
I feel like all our beat reporters are now falsely getting that tag ever since Garafolo admitted he is a Eagles fan. Funny thing is, he is the one guy who I never see being accused as an Eagles fan, and he actually is the one. I doubt all of Garafolo, Raanan, AND Graziano are ALL Eagles fans.... By averages, at least one of then should be a cow flops fan.... ;)
I know how strange that must sound.
Always drama over here. Like a bunch of 15 year olds. It's called seeing the big picture.
Ken: I think most posters on BBI now believe that there is reason for hope this season. I haven't seen too many doom and gloom posts.
I think that BBIers that post here that do not see reason for hope now are just not very smart football fans.
We now have a lot of pieces in place for now and the future (Goodson). If they gel quickly (and I don't expect this )they could easily win 12 games this year. The worst I could see is 9-7 unless we get hammered by injuries again.
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I'm simply saying this team isn't the dumpster fire BBI thinks it is.
I know how strange that must sound.
Always drama over here. Like a bunch of 15 year olds. It's called seeing the big picture.
Ken: I think most posters on BBI now believe that there is reason for hope this season. I haven't seen too many doom and gloom posts.
I think that BBIers that post here that do not see reason for hope now are just not very smart football fans.
We now have a lot of pieces in place for now and the future (Goodson). If they gel quickly (and I don't expect this )they could easily win 12 games this year. The worst I could see is 9-7 unless we get hammered by injuries again.
Agree 100%. Good post.
The NFL isn't as good as BBI thinks it is. There are no dominate teams anymore, there's no such thing as "depth", and GUESS WHAT: ALL TEAMS HAVE HOLES.
We need a veteran player on the ride side of OL. That would be the cherry on top of the off-season.
We need a veteran player on the ride side of OL. That would be the cherry on top of the off-season.
Agreed. I'm not too worried. I think all along Reese wanted to see what shakes out post June 1st to see if he could upgrade the Oline. I'd be surprised if Reese didn't even try.
Of course that is a big "if,"
Yesterday on Sirius someone was saying the Giants had sooooo many question marks then in the next breath fully expects the Bears to win 9 games or so because they competed last season--despite the 6-10 record.
The Giants always get a lot of negative take while teams like Dallas always seem to receive benefit of the doubt, at least until the season starts.
The offense needs to be able to control the clock at times and impose their will at others. I'm more worried about the OL depth than I am the starters. If a guy like Hart or Jerry gets hurt the next man up is who? I'd like to see at least one veteran signed before the season.