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Who are we scared of in the NFC?

GMen23 : 5/14/2016 9:16 am
We, including I, have continued to pound on a weak right side of the OL, Linebacker corp, Safety, and depth. We’re all bitten by 3 years of an inexplicable quantity of injuries. But in the off season we can only go on the assumption the injuries won’t continue. Who are we afraid of? Drill down into every NFC roster, and you’ll find there is not a team without a vulnerable unit.

We have as we sit in May:
1. A top 5 - 8 QB, who has won 2 super Bowls.
2. A top 1 - 3 WR.
3. A Front four which could potentially be the best in the league.
4. Our top 3 CB’s are top 10
5. Vastly improved Special teams last year, with a top 3 return man. ( For all the grumbling about Reese overpaying for JT Thomas, Casillas, Vereen, and Harris last year, Harris is the one who performed to his contract. I really don’t like him as a WR, but 2 Return TD’s, only one fumble, and top 10 in both return categories. He earned his money.

That’s a nice starting point!

Part of my “rose colored glasses”, are Sheppard, & possibly Perkins. We desperately need another weapon and I believe we got a Welker, “healthy Victor” in Sheppard. If Perkins can earn his way onto the field, he adds a dimension we have been lacking. If he can’t, can Vereen be as ineffective his second year as his first?

Which NFC team is Complete?

Carolina - Kuechly, Cam & Greg Olsen as his #1 threat. Do Jonathan Stewart, Kelvin Benjamin, and Ted Ginn, strike fear in anybody? Lost Norman. Would take our front four and Corners in a heartbeat.

Seattle - Starting with trading an all pro center for Jimmy Graham in 2014, there offensive line is worse than ours. Granted, Wilson might be a little more elusive then Eli. Marshawn is a big blow to them, and they have lost parts of that great D for 2 years.

Cardinals - Palmer, great secondary, WR depth, and David Johnson is a possible stud RB. Offensive line on par with ours, and had no pass rush last year.

Green Bay - Rodgers, Clay Matthews, good secondary, and ok front 3. Cobb fell down to earth last year and they couldn’t move the ball without Jordy Nelson in a lot of games. Decent OL with Bulaga and guys found late in drafts. (wish we could do that)

Minnesota - Teddy Bridgewater at QB. That won’t strike fear in me till I see it.

DIVISION

Eagles - Bradford, Ryan & Jordan Matthews? Good OL & front 7. Fletcher Cox is a stud. Secondary is terrible and basically rebooting the team for 2017.

Cowgirls - Brittle QB, Dez, Zeke, & great OL. They can’t keep the ball for 60 minutes, and I predict they will have one of the worse defenses in the league this year.

Redskins - I have concerns the Skins are legit. Mentioning injuries for the last time, barring a rash of injuries to our key players, I believe they are our only obstacle to a Division Championship. WR/TE options are strong. OL is good. Norman will help (but he’s not Revis, Peterson, etc.) Handed starting RB to Matt Jones, who hasn’t shown he can hang on to the ball. Is Kirk for Real? There are enough question marks on this team to not hand them a division.

Everybody has warts, or Robert Newhouses. It’s wide open and we’re in the mix.

Thoughts?

everyone  
spike : 5/14/2016 9:19 am : link
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No one.  
Mike in Long Beach : 5/14/2016 9:24 am : link
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I don't think you can  
Doomster : 5/14/2016 9:25 am : link
adequately answer that, until midseason....
Scared of no one. Remember...  
Jimmy Googs : 5/14/2016 9:28 am : link

Danger is our business  
Jimmy Googs : 5/14/2016 9:28 am : link
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No one,  
Big Blue '56 : 5/14/2016 9:33 am : link
though a healthy Romo makes me somewhat nervous
Fear is the mind-killer.  
Klaatu : 5/14/2016 9:34 am : link
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Call me when DC actually does something impressive.  
Boy Cord : 5/14/2016 9:35 am : link
They played a fluff schedule where very few of their opponents could get to the QB. They got a home playoff game against a Packers team that was reeling. Cousins was sacked six times, coughed up a fumble, and had a few balls that should have been picked. Packers beat the crap out of them while everyone was deep throating DC leading up to the game.

DC has done nothing in 24 years. This year will mark a quarter century of futility. Basically, if you are a DC fan 30 years or younger you may as well have been rooting for the Browns.

Let's get in the playoffs first  
dpinzow : 5/14/2016 9:52 am : link
before we talk about how other teams are scared of us. Start by winning in Dallas Week 1 and beating Norman and Washington Week 3
Cardinals  
Koldegaard : 5/14/2016 9:54 am : link
Is the team to beat imo.

They have Nkemidiche (sp) and Chandler Jones added to a VERY good defense. They will be dangerous.
I would put Cards, Packers, Seahawks and the Panthers as the NFC favs.
The Redskins and Gmen will be battling for the NFC-E as I see it. The Cowboys would be dangerous if their D didn't suck so bad and Romo is a BIG ?
'Who are we scared of in the NFC?'...  
Torrag : 5/14/2016 9:57 am : link
.../mirror

Our roster still has too many issues for us to be considered a serious contender.

Superbowl in 2017.
I m afraid of spiders snakes and  
joeinpa : 5/14/2016 10:09 am : link
The IRS
I wonder if on other teams sites anyone is scared of the Giants?  
PatersonPlank : 5/14/2016 10:15 am : link
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I agree the Cards could be the team to beat  
GMen23 : 5/14/2016 10:23 am : link
And also, as I wrote, the Skins are far from complete. We are much improved, with more work to do.
But this is the most opportunistic I have been in years. Barring injuries, we are the most improved in the conference, with a weak division, no less.
Jerry Jones  
eli4life : 5/14/2016 11:06 am : link
He's just scary looking with that skelator looking face
Appreciate your positivity  
JesseS : 5/14/2016 11:40 am : link
We've won 19 games in 3 years. Worst defense in 2015 and almost worst in 2014. Why don't we worry about ourselves - winning a couple games - stopping other teams - and then go from there.

I hate the fluffy schedule argument. They won those games. We didn't.
Have the Giants figured out  
David B. : 5/14/2016 11:55 am : link
How to cover Witten on DeSean Jackson yet?
Who knows?  
George : 5/14/2016 12:28 pm : link
I think all bets are off in NFCE right now. I am not on the Kirk Cousins bandwagon, as one season wonders often crash and burn. I like what they did in the draft (I think Su'a Cravens will torment a lot of teams), but the Redskins just don't strike fear in my heart.

I never discount a Tony Romo team, but I agree that he's fragile and one solid shot away from retiring. I'd be surprised if he lasts more than 12 games this season, and they don't have a back up who can cover for him.

Philly will be lucky to win 5 games in 2016.

I see us behind Washington and basically on par with Dallas in the league's weakest division.

But a new right tackle would make us competitive.
RE: I m afraid of spiders snakes and  
micky : 5/14/2016 1:15 pm : link
In comment 12957553 joeinpa said:
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The IRS


reporter: "what about Washington?"...."well? they're there too"
13 wins in two years  
Giants2012 : 5/14/2016 2:02 pm : link
Nobody fears the Giants
Stopped reading after you said  
Shockstarr80808 : 5/14/2016 2:06 pm : link
"Our 3 cbs are top 10". You're putting a rookie CB in top 10 in the NFC without playing a game in the NFL...
To the OP  
David in LA : 5/14/2016 2:26 pm : link
it's ok to say Russell Wilson is more elusive. I don't think you'll get any argument from anybody on that one lol

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Granted, Wilson might be a little more elusive then Eli.
the comment that Wilson might be a little more elusive than Eli  
gtt350 : 5/14/2016 2:44 pm : link
made me spit some coffee out. ya think?
RE: To the OP  
dep026 : 5/14/2016 2:58 pm : link
In comment 12957691 David in LA said:
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it's ok to say Russell Wilson is more elusive. I don't think you'll get any argument from anybody on that one lol



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Granted, Wilson might be a little more elusive then Eli.



You must have never seen eli elude the lines at the olive garden on mother's day.
Where Eli really excels in elusiveness is the most important one  
David in LA : 5/14/2016 3:06 pm : link
it's giving the media sound bytes to work with. No one dodges dumb questions like Easy E.
Arizona looks pretty good, that D will be tough.  
j_rud : 5/14/2016 3:25 pm : link
In the division, no one to be honest. It's not an overwhelming faith in the Giajts but more of a lack of a complete team. Philly is in full-on rebuilding mode with a new coach and their QB situation. Their secondary is still full of holes as well. Dallas' hopes rest on Romo's fragile health. And their defense is just plain bad. Not 2015 Giants bad but bottom quarter of thempeague bad. No pass rush, no secondary, their one true playmaker (Lee) has the same health issues as Romo. Washington would probably have to be the favorite at this point. McCloughan has me a little concerned, not used to seeing Snyder step aside and letting actual football people make prudent football moves.

Looking at the rosters though, I do think the Giants have the most talented team in the division. The O will be fine, even if Newhouse is the,starter at RT. They were 6th in the entire league in both points and yards per game, and that's without Cruz and before the additions of Perkins, Shepard, and Adams.

The big question mark regarding the Giants is how the defense will come together. On paper they should be at the very least average. JPP is a year removed from the injury and will be better this year. Vernon on the opposite side brings another two way DE into the fold. Hank is solid and should only look better with arguably the best NT in football eating up blockers next to him. They also appear to have the requisite 3 CBs that are now necessary in DRC, Jenkins, and Apple. Collins is in year two and regardless of who wins the job opposite him it's a safe bet that they're better than Merriweather and the other band aids they trotted out last year. The LBers are admittedly anybody's guess. But they look to have added some talent in Robinson and Goodson.

If Spags gets the D to even middle of the road I think the Giants can win the division by 2 or 3 games. I really think they have a good shot to be one of the "worst to first" type teams that pop up every year. Yes, they lost 10 games last year. But they had a fourth quarter lead and lost by 5 or fewer points in 7 of those games. Now that's not a good team, but it's not a team that's 2 or 3 years away either. It's a team that needs some talent on D and some tweaking. It's a team that needs to learn to close out games. Should they be able to do that they can be a dangerous football team.
On paper we're also a pretty good looking team......  
Simms11 : 5/14/2016 3:35 pm : link
We'll see how it all comes together. Injuries are the great equalizer in this sport and its those teams that can overcome them that have the greatest chance for success. With that said, one injury to either Dez or Romo and they're done; Can Cousins do better on the road? What is Philly with Bradford? and if they go with Wentz, then they will most likely be playing for 2017. Lastly, if our Defense can finally make that jump to respectability, even being average, I think we shouldn't be scared of anybody. Quite frankly, our offense could be pretty scary itself?!
talk is cheap  
mdc1 : 5/14/2016 4:47 pm : link
we have not won anything in years. Keep that in perspective until the win column has big numbers in it and we are in playoffs competing for the big game again.
My DI said respect all, fear none!  
213374 : 5/14/2016 7:02 pm : link
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a healthy Giants team should not be scared of anyone  
George from PA : 5/14/2016 9:13 pm : link
We must start beating the NFC East again which is never easy.

Whoever comes out of the west will be battle tested with 3 solid teams in Seattle, Arizona and the Rams.

Carolina should be team to beat.
Ummm....what about being scared of ourselves?  
Emlen'sGremlins : 5/14/2016 9:23 pm : link
This team invented new ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory every week last season. The loser mode culture of the past 4 years needs to be extinguished.
This guy makes people in here Shit  
Shadow : 5/14/2016 10:05 pm : link
RE: Cardinals  
TheShade : 5/14/2016 10:14 pm : link
In comment 12957542 Koldegaard said:
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Is the team to beat imo.

They have Nkemidiche (sp) and Chandler Jones added to a VERY good defense. They will be dangerous.
I would put Cards, Packers, Seahawks and the Panthers as the NFC favs.
The Redskins and Gmen will be battling for the NFC-E as I see it. The Cowboys would be dangerous if their D didn't suck so bad and Romo is a BIG ?


I think the Cards are the team to beat. Panthers would be right there too since they get their top WR back, although losing Norman and who knows about their pass rush. Seahawks are the Seahawks. The Packers should be much improved offensively with Jordy back.
Right now...  
EricJ : 5/14/2016 10:28 pm : link
we are the 2015 Giants. We have not proven anything on the field yet. This is nothing more than an average fantasy football team.

Talk to me in September.
I expect another slow start  
mrvax : 5/14/2016 10:28 pm : link
due to all the new faces that will be starting. Then I expect the team to transform into one of the best in the NFC. Of course this assumes a "normal" amount of injuries.

The roster looks better than it has since 2007, IMO.

Just need the D to move up to "average".
The offense will be the best they've had since the 11-1 run in 2008.
Romo is labeled a choker in big games.  
grizz299 : 5/15/2016 2:27 am : link
I don't think he's a choker at all. He's got an uncanny sense of the pocket and can extend the play, but he's limited and can't make the quintessential big time throw that you have to make against the better defenses, quicker defenses. But he is absolutely loaded with a superb offense around him.

Hardy is gone, Lawrence and Gregory on drug suspensions. I don't think you can win with that defense.
Palmer didn't look like "money" at the end.
Ok, I'm going to say it, the OP understated it. Our front four is going to be superb. Barring injuries it simply can't be anything but great. The maligned linebackers are potentially good and have great depth. The back four (or five) is also superb.
We have been blessed with wonderful superbowl runs. But only the Ill fated Plax team looked like it could dominate from start to finish.
THIS GIANT TEAM HAS THE POTENTIAL TO DOMINATE FROM THE OPENING GAME against Dallas to the closing of the superbowl. And barring injuries that's the treat that's in store for us.
It is not completely out of the question  
UberAlias : 5/15/2016 9:47 am : link
That this team could emerge as a contender this year. As we know, things can turn around awfully quick. That said, this has always been likely to be a multi-year rebuild. I'm more focused right now on how the new coaching staff can take the new pieces and begin constructing something lasting. Usually that begins with your own division, so a more applicable question would be, how do we stack within our own division.
Redskins have to merit respect  
5BowlsSoon : 5/15/2016 10:39 am : link
Adding Norman makes them even better on defense. Cousins and the big TE Jordan Reed allowed me to win my fantasy football league last year so I'm a believer. I will not take them lightly and neither will Gmen.
RE: Redskins have to merit respect  
GMen23 : 5/15/2016 11:03 am : link
In comment 12958103 5BowlsSoon said:
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Adding Norman makes them even better on defense. Cousins and the big TE Jordan Reed allowed me to win my fantasy football league last year so I'm a believer. I will not take them lightly and neither will Gmen.


Reed and Cousins won some big games for me down the stretch of my Championship also (but Eli & OBJ got me there). I would rate Reed with Dez as the biggest offensive threat in our division, due to his strength in the middle, is our biggest weakness.
In response to the OP  
NINEster : 5/15/2016 1:22 pm : link
--Which NFC team is Complete?

No NFL team is complete or ever will be complete in this era.

And to keep it real, the Giants beat more complete teams to win the SB in 2011.

--Carolina - Kuechly, Cam & Greg Olsen as his #1 threat. --Do Jonathan Stewart, Kelvin Benjamin, and Ted Ginn, -----strike fear in anybody? Lost Norman. Would take our -- front four and Corners in a heartbeat.

Yeah, but can you stop the run? Did you see how that divisional game against Seattle started? 60 yard run against a pretty good defense.

Denver was able to stop the run and get after the QB to beat Carolina in the SB. Without either of them accomplished, I wager Carolina wins that game for sure.

We'll see how good Carolina and Denver still is to kick off 2016, should be good.

The one thing to keep in mind is that I think identities hold very strong in the NFL. For example, the current Giants are an offensive team, the current 49ers are a defensive team. For either to show they have made significant progress on the other side, it would have to be proven on the field and not in the offseason acquisitions.

--Seattle - Starting with trading an all pro center for ---Jimmy Graham in 2014, there offensive line is worse -----than ours. Granted, Wilson might be a little more -------elusive then Eli. Marshawn is a big blow to them, and ---they have lost parts of that great D for 2 years.

Naturally I agree that Seattle has been overrated a bit, resting on their laurels a bit. As long as that defense stays strong they are in every game, even when trailing by a lot. But I say that I judge the Hawks (and most other "threats") by their diminished impact in the postseason, and not so much regular season. They've trended downward slowly since they won their first SB, and without a major response on O, I see that trend continuing, albeit slowly.

They did lose Brandon Mebane, Bruce Irvin this offseason, so it should be interesting to see how that run D holds up -- pass D will always be pretty good so long as they keep Thomas/Chancellor/Sherman in the back end and Bennett/Avril on the edges. Bennett's been chirping for awhile about getting paid....so should be interesting to see how long that unit lasts.

On offense, it should be interesting to see how Rawls takes over for Lynch now that he's no longer an unknown quantity. Rawls rushed for over 160 in a game last year, something Lynch never did in his career even once. We'll see how good he really is, and if Wilson can continue carrying this team.

--Cardinals - Palmer, great secondary, WR depth, and --- David Johnson is a possible stud RB. Offensive line on par with ours, and had no pass rush last year.

AZ with improved trenches I would have no qualms calling the best team in the NFL. But they haven't really had that, esp. on the offensive side. Palmer and that passing offense can look really dominant sometimes, but their run game hasn't been on Seattle/SF/St Louis level, which is why they didn't make it to the Super Bowl IMHO.

Their convincing win in Seattle last year (and even two years prior) shows me they do have the mental fortitude to win big games. But gotta be able to pound the rock somewhat.

--Green Bay - Rodgers, Clay Matthews, good secondary, and --ok front 3. Cobb fell down to earth last year and they --couldn’t move the ball without Jordy Nelson in a lot of --games. Decent OL with Bulaga and guys found late in ----- drafts. (wish we could do that)

Green Bay is another team that will always be competitive and sometimes surprisingly dangerous when you count them out. The way they played AZ tough in the playoffs, and SHOULD have played in Super Bowl 49 means they've still got it. But in a weird way, it's been so many years since they won the SB, that they have to prove they belong again. In a way they should follow as the NFC's Broncos who were all offense and then flipped the identity and won it all with an offense that was embarrassing by their standards.

--Minnesota - Teddy Bridgewater at QB. That won’t strike ---fear in me till I see it.

Indeed.

Young QB still....so we'll have to see. We'd probably be saying a lot of the same things about Wilson and Kap if they didn't have such dominant defenses early on.

DIVISION

--Eagles - Bradford, Ryan & Jordan Matthews? Good OL & ----front 7. Fletcher Cox is a stud. Secondary is terrible --and basically rebooting the team for 2017.

This is probably pretty accurate. Ever since the team dismantled a bit from 2015 onwards, it's been hard to predict....and now new head coach and QB....harder to call.

As I learned last year, rebooting is mighty hard to do in year 1.

--Cowgirls - Brittle QB, Dez, Zeke, & great OL. They ------can’t keep the ball for 60 minutes, and I predict they --will have one of the worse defenses in the league this --year.

Cowboys last year dropped off a bit changing RBs, losing Romo and also being a target. They snuck up on the league in 2014. Should be interesting to see how they rebound.

--Redskins - I have concerns the Skins are legit. ---
-- Mentioning injuries for the last time, barring a rash --of --injuries to our key players, I believe they are ----our only obstacle to a Division Championship. WR/TE --
-- options are strong. OL is good. Norman will help (but --he’s not Revis, Peterson, etc.) Handed starting RB to --Matt Jones, who hasn’t shown he can hang on to the ball. --Is Kirk for Real? There are enough question marks on ----this team to not hand them a division.

I think the Skins are trending up to being a legitimate team. The dysfunction they've had go away is something I can relate to now. Their GM McCloughan is legit based on his SF/SEA resume, and not being overpowered by Snyder.

Norman is a good signing. I don't see it as a splash move. Might be a big cap hit, but I don't see him as overrated in ability.

I must say this is the one offseason in at least 4 or 5 years where I cannot truly predict anything in either conference.

In that aspect, it's pretty exciting because you know there's most likely going to be a fresh face or two in the playoffs this year.
Panthers and Cards will be tough  
Vanzetti : 5/15/2016 11:01 pm : link
But I really have no fear of Carson Palmer in a playoff game. Cam is a unique talent but if you force him to beat you through the air, he probably won't.

Giants have correctly fortified their pass defense more than their run defense because this is a passing league. But that could make them vulnerable to teams like the Cowboys and Panthers.

I think the Giants will make the playoffs his year and how far they go depends on matchups because I really don't see a dominant team. I see a half dozen good teams with different strengths and weaknesses.

I think the Packers showed in the playoffs that they were better than their record. And I always fear a team with an elite QB more than I do teams like the Vikings and Redskins.
Greatest 1st two responses in a thread EVER!  
BlueLou : 5/16/2016 3:02 am : link
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