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25 years ago today, Bill Parcells steps down as HC of NYG

OdellBeckhamJr : 5/15/2016 7:28 pm
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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Bill Parcells, saying 'It's time,' Wednesday resigned as coach of the New York Giants four months after winning his second Super Bowl.

He will be replaced as head coach by Ray Handley, a Giants assistant since 1984 who previously worked with Parcells at Air Force and Army. Handley had been running backs coach until he was promoted to offensive coordinator in February.

Parcells, who turns 50 Aug. 22, had one year remaining on his contract at a reported $800,000 salary. He denied media reports that he is quitting to become a television broadcaster at NBC, although the network's executive producer Wednesday said he hopes to hire Parcells.

'I'm going to resign my position and move on,' Parcells said at a Giants Stadium news conference. 'I'm looking toward the future, although I'm not sure what it holds.'

Parcells quit with a 85-52-1 record over eight seasons, which leaves him second on the Giants' career list to Steve Owen, who was 151-100-17 from 1931-53.

Under Parcells, the Giants won the Super Bowls after the 1986 and 1990 seasons, won the NFC East division three times and made five playoff appearances. His postseason record was 8-3. Their 1986 championship was the Giants' first NFL title in 28 years.

'It's a letdown,' co-owner Wellington Mara said. 'I felt the same when when (Vince) Lombardi and (Tom) Landry left (as assistants in the 1960s). But it's part of the game

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As much as I like Parcells  
mrvax : 5/15/2016 7:37 pm : link
He was a turd for quitting at that point in time. Should have done it right after the Super Bowl or waited the new season out.

He screwed other teams too.
RE: As much as I like Parcells  
EricJ : 5/15/2016 7:38 pm : link
In comment 12958549 mrvax said:
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He was a turd for quitting at that point in time. Should have done it right after the Super Bowl or waited the new season out.

He screwed other teams too.


He waited because he did not want Belichik to get the head coaching job.
RE: RE: As much as I like Parcells  
Matt in SGS : 5/15/2016 7:46 pm : link
In comment 12958551 EricJ said:
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In comment 12958549 mrvax said:


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He was a turd for quitting at that point in time. Should have done it right after the Super Bowl or waited the new season out.

He screwed other teams too.



He waited because he did not want Belichik to get the head coaching job.


That didn't matter because George Young didn't want Belichick. Belichick was already on his way to the Browns.
Tuna  
Dragon : 5/15/2016 7:52 pm : link
Rep is one of the most unworthy in all of sports coaching but this guy in buffalo is a clone with even less hardware. If he was such a great coach what was his reasons for not seeing the talent Bill had is that also not a job of a presumed great coach?
He quit  
Rambo : 5/15/2016 7:52 pm : link
because of health issues that were not going away. This was discussed in the media heavily.
He ate a jar of peanut butter a day  
Canton : 5/15/2016 8:01 pm : link
Until he had his bypass surgery. Could easily imagine eating peanut butter like that.
Couldn't imagine*  
Canton : 5/15/2016 8:01 pm : link
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RE: He ate a jar of peanut butter a day  
EricJ : 5/15/2016 8:13 pm : link
In comment 12958572 Canton said:
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Until he had his bypass surgery. Could easily imagine eating peanut butter like that.


Peanut butter is bad for you?

Uh oh....
there has been a number of things thrown out there  
Matt in SGS : 5/15/2016 8:19 pm : link
when Parcells retired. His health issues were universally understood. Parcells was a heavy smoker and ate like shit (as a former Oradell resident who used to go by Hagler's bar and grill where Parcells ate almost every day, I can attest). Add in the stress of head coaching in the NFL and his heart issues were no shock.

There were the other factors around Tim Mara selling his stake to Bob Tisch and Parcells was more in the Tim Mara camp than the Wellington Mara camp. And it was no secret that he and George Young didn't see eye to eye.

Parcells felt that he was actually helping the Giants by finishing up the draft and then handing the reigns to Handley.

Keep in mind, the Giants organization, from Parcells to Young both thought Handley was a better coaching prospect than Belichick. The Giants had to give Handley a promotion to offensive coordinator to keep him from going to George Washington Law School. They believed he was a head coach in training. When Coughlin had already left for BC, he was the one the Giants hung their hat on. As Parcells left, the Giants just figured to go ahead of schedule and give him the job. In hindsight, they should have given the job to Ron Erhardt and let him run the team, since he already had head coaching experience with the Patriots, and had a 10 win and 9 win season there. That would have let Handley work as offensive coordinator first and get his experience.

When you think about McAdoo, that was one of the big differences with him and Handley. Handley went from backfield coach to offensive coordinator and then head coach (and didn't give up his OC job). McAdoo got his position coach experience in Green Bay and has established himself as an OC for 2 years. Handley was rushed to the job and the Giants organization and fans got burned.
Given what happened to Coughlin after his second  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/15/2016 8:20 pm : link
Superbowl - maybe Parcells was smart to leave when he did.

But Coughlin at least left us in a position to recover - which Parcells didn't - he did what was best for himself - Coughlin did what was best for the team
RE: there has been a number of things thrown out there  
mfsd : 5/15/2016 8:28 pm : link
In comment 12958582 Matt in SGS said:
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when Parcells retired. His health issues were universally understood. Parcells was a heavy smoker and ate like shit (as a former Oradell resident who used to go by Hagler's bar and grill where Parcells ate almost every day, I can attest). Add in the stress of head coaching in the NFL and his heart issues were no shock.

There were the other factors around Tim Mara selling his stake to Bob Tisch and Parcells was more in the Tim Mara camp than the Wellington Mara camp. And it was no secret that he and George Young didn't see eye to eye.

Parcells felt that he was actually helping the Giants by finishing up the draft and then handing the reigns to Handley.

Keep in mind, the Giants organization, from Parcells to Young both thought Handley was a better coaching prospect than Belichick. The Giants had to give Handley a promotion to offensive coordinator to keep him from going to George Washington Law School. They believed he was a head coach in training. When Coughlin had already left for BC, he was the one the Giants hung their hat on. As Parcells left, the Giants just figured to go ahead of schedule and give him the job. In hindsight, they should have given the job to Ron Erhardt and let him run the team, since he already had head coaching experience with the Patriots, and had a 10 win and 9 win season there. That would have let Handley work as offensive coordinator first and get his experience.

When you think about McAdoo, that was one of the big differences with him and Handley. Handley went from backfield coach to offensive coordinator and then head coach (and didn't give up his OC job). McAdoo got his position coach experience in Green Bay and has established himself as an OC for 2 years. Handley was rushed to the job and the Giants organization and fans got burned.


Good post here - the "Parcells screwed us" narrative has come to be universally accepted by most, but it was a weird time with the Giants, there was definitely more to the story.
I'm so glad Coughlin was able to surpass Parcells  
Diver_Down : 5/15/2016 8:38 pm : link
with regards to their coaching records under their respective Giants tenures. Most around here have placed Parcells on a pedestal while they were quick to usher Coughlin out the door. Parcells will always be a quitter.
I was 4 at the time  
Route 9 : 5/15/2016 8:39 pm : link
Was this shocking at the time or not really?
There was a clear selfishness to it. Maybe some because  
Jimmy Googs : 5/15/2016 8:59 pm : link
we liked him so much as our Coach, but Parcells was also running away from things too. There was issues brewing as well including aging stars, the continued disputes/nonsense with George Young, no where to go but down after winning another SuperBowl, etc.

That next decade was just awful dealing with the rise of the Dallas Cowboys, free agency and not having a QB that knew what he was doing.

Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio hit NY...
RE: I was 4 at the time  
bluepepper : 5/15/2016 9:00 pm : link
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Was this shocking at the time or not really?

It was pretty surprising but if I remember correctly there was a lot of spin from the Giants that this was not a shock to them and they had been prepping Handley for the job all along. The media bought into this. In hindsight it was total bullshit. RH was being groomed all right but for 2-3 years down the road conditional on a good performance as OC. As Matt said they should have given the job to Erhardt who was a pro and would have done a solid job with a veteran team and good coaching staff. Total disaster for the organization. Took years to recover.
RE: there has been a number of things thrown out there  
OdellBeckhamJr : 5/15/2016 9:12 pm : link
In comment 12958582 Matt in SGS said:
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Parcells felt that he was actually helping the Giants by finishing up the draft and then handing the reigns to Handley.


That's a bunch of bologna and you know it.

George Young headed up the draft and Bill Parcells was whistling in the wind, and that's why he left. He did zero favors for Handley by doing that.
RE: RE: He ate a jar of peanut butter a day  
dpinzow : 5/15/2016 9:14 pm : link
In comment 12958579 EricJ said:
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Until he had his bypass surgery. Could easily imagine eating peanut butter like that.



Peanut butter is bad for you?

Uh oh....


Not when you eat one sandwich of PB&J a day but a whole jar a day? That's some serious cholesterol
Cholesterol in peanut butter?!  
jcn56 : 5/15/2016 9:22 pm : link
Learn something new every day I guess...

Parcells wasn't leaving due to health concerns - he had it out for Young after Young approached Schnellenberger following his disastrous 3 win season. He had overtures with Atlanta, and ended up bolting when he figured his stock was high and he could take some time off before finding a new gig.

Would Young have bypassed Belichick? All signs seem to point that way, but I'll say this much - I would much rather know for sure than guess, and we'll never get the opportunity. Parcells waited until Belichick left the building and then handed over the keys.

Great coach, and I'm grateful that he was ours for a few years, but he's probably the least loyal employee that ever lived.
It is absolutely amazing  
Blackbeard : 5/15/2016 10:29 pm : link
how many experts there are among the fans. We know all about what went on behind the scenes, do we?
Parcells and George Young were considered saviors when the Giants stopped being perennial losers.
Then Parcells suddenly becomes a pariah. Do his health problems mean nothing.
Were Landry and Lombardi cursed and castigated when they bailed out to take better jobs in Dallas and Green Bay?
Weren't they "looking out for #1"?
You people don't deserve coaches like Parcells and Coughlin.
RE: there has been a number of things thrown out there  
mort christenson : 5/15/2016 10:36 pm : link
In comment 12958582 Matt in SGS said:
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When you think about McAdoo, that was one of the big differences with him and Handley. Handley went from backfield coach to offensive coordinator and then head coach (and didn't give up his OC job). McAdoo got his position coach experience in Green Bay and has established himself as an OC for 2 years. Handley was rushed to the job and the Giants organization and fans got burned.
well, that is one difference. The other relates to rest stops on the NJ Turnpike. But today, there would be a separate restroom where it would all have been completely legal.
I had heard something else  
EricJ : 5/15/2016 10:38 pm : link
a long time ago. Parcells was screwing around with one of the secretary's in the Giants offices. His wife found out and basically said you leave the Giants or I leave you.

I am giving that one a 30% chance of being true.
Who knows what the truth is  
Vanzetti : 5/15/2016 10:48 pm : link
but the story at the time was that he hated George Young and purposely waited until Belichek had a job just to screw the Giants over.

That story at least explains why he waited until May.
He got really mad at George Young in the draft that year  
Phil in LA : 5/15/2016 11:00 pm : link
for not taking Khanavis McGhee in the first round. Young got him in the second round, and Parcells had a meltdown.
Also per TC  
Phil in LA : 5/15/2016 11:01 pm : link
the Giants tried to get him right back from BC and tried again once more before they finally got him on the third try.
In May?!  
Anonymous Stranger Online : 5/16/2016 6:27 am : link
What an asshole.
RE: there has been a number of things thrown out there  
micky : 5/16/2016 7:53 am : link
In comment 12958582 Matt in SGS said:
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when Parcells retired. His health issues were universally understood. Parcells was a heavy smoker and ate like shit (as a former Oradell resident who used to go by Hagler's bar and grill where Parcells ate almost every day, I can attest). Add in the stress of head coaching in the NFL and his heart issues were no shock.

There were the other factors around Tim Mara selling his stake to Bob Tisch and Parcells was more in the Tim Mara camp than the Wellington Mara camp. And it was no secret that he and George Young didn't see eye to eye.

Parcells felt that he was actually helping the Giants by finishing up the draft and then handing the reigns to Handley.

Keep in mind, the Giants organization, from Parcells to Young both thought Handley was a better coaching prospect than Belichick. The Giants had to give Handley a promotion to offensive coordinator to keep him from going to George Washington Law School. They believed he was a head coach in training. When Coughlin had already left for BC, he was the one the Giants hung their hat on. As Parcells left, the Giants just figured to go ahead of schedule and give him the job. In hindsight, they should have given the job to Ron Erhardt and let him run the team, since he already had head coaching experience with the Patriots, and had a 10 win and 9 win season there. That would have let Handley work as offensive coordinator first and get his experience.

When you think about McAdoo, that was one of the big differences with him and Handley. Handley went from backfield coach to offensive coordinator and then head coach (and didn't give up his OC job). McAdoo got his position coach experience in Green Bay and has established himself as an OC for 2 years. Handley was rushed to the job and the Giants organization and fans got burned.



good post +1
Every time I think  
Gman11 : 5/16/2016 8:21 am : link
something bad of Parcells I think of the dominant defensive teams he had. The 1986 defense was what we all dream about. It was a masterpiece.

He gave us two Super Bowl victories and were fairly big underdogs in both games. He won the second with his backup QB.

Oh, I know the guy was an ass. He wanted to bolt for Atlanta right after his first Super Bowl victory. I had a hard time understanding that except I know that he and Young didn't get along. However, the man could coach. Anyone that lived through the debacle know as the 1970s New York Giants can attest to the elation felt when they beat Denver for that first win.

Just because the guy has personality issues doesn't detract from what he did for the franchise. Those two Super Bowls were things of beauty.
RE: I'm so glad Coughlin was able to surpass Parcells  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2016 8:51 am : link
In comment 12958596 Diver_Down said:
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with regards to their coaching records under their respective Giants tenures. Most around here have placed Parcells on a pedestal while they were quick to usher Coughlin out the door. Parcells will always be a quitter.


Surpassed? My ass he surpassed Parcells. Winning % of .610 compared to .531, and he did it in a much more competitive NFC than Coughlin faced.
RE: Cholesterol in peanut butter?!  
Canton : 5/16/2016 8:54 am : link
In comment 12958616 jcn56 said:
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Learn something new every day I guess...



It's not the cholesterol that gets you, if you eat peanut butter in high amounts...

"studies have shown that peanut oil along with high doses of cholesterol can induce atherosclerosis (thickening of arteries, which can lead to heart attacks)

However, these studies have been criticized for including ridiculous amounts of cholesterol and other studies actually show a reduction in atherosclerosis in test animals

I’d like to point out that excessive Omega-6 fatty acids in the diet are associated with inflammation and an increased risk of cardiovascular disease.

Most people are already eating too many Omega-6s (which peanut butter is loaded with) and too few Omega-3s (which peanut butter lacks completely)."

RE: Every time I think  
Gmanfandan : 5/16/2016 8:58 am : link
In comment 12958806 Gman11 said:
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He gave us two Super Bowl victories and were fairly big underdogs in both games. He won the second with his backup QB.


Love me some Parcells, but we were 9.5 point favorites in 21 and it's Little Bills defensive game plan for 25 that's in the Hall of Fame.

I was a Parcells guy. Cherished the man, and its to his credit that the franchise went from a joke to a powerhouse. His leaving was a huge surprise, especially after drafting and in the wake of Belichick going to Cleveland. It felt like we were being abandoned by the manifestation of what a NYG should be.

That he subsequently became the head coach of two rival teams (Jets and Cowboys) was shocking. One of the reasons he was so beloved by Giants fans is that he was a Jersey guy that stated over and over that HC of the NYG was his dream job. That statement rang more and more hollow through the years.
RE: RE: Cholesterol in peanut butter?!  
smshmth8690 : 5/16/2016 9:35 am : link
In comment 12958830 Canton said:
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In comment 12958616 jcn56 said:


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Learn something new every day I guess...





It's not the cholesterol that gets you, if you eat peanut butter in high amounts...

"studies have shown that peanut oil along with high doses of cholesterol can induce atherosclerosis (thickening of arteries, which can lead to heart attacks)

However, these studies have been criticized for including ridiculous amounts of cholesterol and other studies actually show a reduction in atherosclerosis in test animals

I’d like to point out that excessive Omega-6 fatty acids in the diet are associated with inflammation and an increased risk of cardiovascular disease.

Most people are already eating too many Omega-6s (which peanut butter is loaded with) and too few Omega-3s (which peanut butter lacks completely)."


Not ti turn this into a peanut butter thread, but I believe that in the 80's peanut butter was made with the inclusion of a lot more trans-fats.
thanks for the reminder.  
Victor in CT : 5/16/2016 9:36 am : link
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Question on Ray Handley  
Rover : 5/16/2016 10:12 am : link
I was 6 at the time, my first real memories were of the 93 season with Dan Reeves.

Just how was Handley as big a disaster as people make him out to be, I know they weren't great, but 8-8 and 6-10 isn't 3-13. Is it that, in 93 with Reeves the Giants went 11-5 and were a hair away from being division champs...and that with a component coach they should have been that good in 91 and 92?
RE: Question on Ray Handley  
BocaGiants91 : 5/16/2016 11:53 am : link
In comment 12958972 Rover said:
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I was 6 at the time, my first real memories were of the 93 season with Dan Reeves.

Just how was Handley as big a disaster as people make him out to be, I know they weren't great, but 8-8 and 6-10 isn't 3-13. Is it that, in 93 with Reeves the Giants went 11-5 and were a hair away from being division champs...and that with a component coach they should have been that good in 91 and 92?


I thought we don't mention the coach after Parcells by name around here? That's how bad.
RE: RE: I'm so glad Coughlin was able to surpass Parcells  
Diver_Down : 5/16/2016 2:10 pm : link
In comment 12958827 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 12958596 Diver_Down said:


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with regards to their coaching records under their respective Giants tenures. Most around here have placed Parcells on a pedestal while they were quick to usher Coughlin out the door. Parcells will always be a quitter.



Surpassed? My ass he surpassed Parcells. Winning % of .610 compared to .531, and he did it in a much more competitive NFC than Coughlin faced.


We all know that you hate Coughlin and love Parcells. But the fact is Parcells is a quitter. He has a higher winning percentage only because he quit when it was apparent the team's talent was in it's twilight. Perhaps if he had the fortitude, he might have stuck around long enough to earn 25 more victories to match Coughlin's tenure.
uh huh  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2016 2:18 pm : link
Parcells was just always afraid of a challenge!

Patriots in the three seasons preceding Parcells: 1-15, 6-10, 2-14

Jets in the three seasons preceding Parcells: 6-10, 3-13, 1-15

Cowboys in the three seasons preceding Parcells: 5-11, 5-11, 5-11
RE: RE: Cholesterol in peanut butter?!  
BMac : 5/16/2016 3:11 pm : link
In comment 12958830 Canton said:
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In comment 12958616 jcn56 said:


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Learn something new every day I guess...





It's not the cholesterol that gets you, if you eat peanut butter in high amounts...

"studies have shown that peanut oil along with high doses of cholesterol can induce atherosclerosis (thickening of arteries, which can lead to heart attacks)

However, these studies have been criticized for including ridiculous amounts of cholesterol and other studies actually show a reduction in atherosclerosis in test animals

I’d like to point out that excessive Omega-6 fatty acids in the diet are associated with inflammation and an increased risk of cardiovascular disease.

Most people are already eating too many Omega-6s (which peanut butter is loaded with) and too few Omega-3s (which peanut butter lacks completely)."


And that's just exactly why people should be eating more salmon butter!
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