We were surprised how much Eagles gave up?So were the Browns

but I'll take what they did give up. We'll see what Howie and Doug can do with this mess. (Hopefully very little...)

Is the worst.

In comment 12960091 muhajir said:

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Is the worst.

But it was the Eagles, so it was perfectly acceptable..:)

But boy are ever they in a mess if he's not.

In comment 12960095 Andy in Halifax said:

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But boy are ever they in a mess if he's not.

exactly. Nobody questions our trade for Eli anymore.

But their new guy looks a lot less polished than Eli, and Eli still had a tough learning curve - time will tell

but if Wentz gets hurt that's a massive hit to the future assets bank. Overall, I think everyone in the NFC East is happy with that trade.

Comes from saying something like that?

Cleveland being Cleveland.

just another GM comment that I don't really believe. "Was surprised we got as much as we did" = "i'm such a good GM".

They got a haul that's pretty much expected now for what's thought of as a franchise QB.

Wentz really isn't that good. I don't get the hype. The guy has a powerhouse team that's won 5 straight FCS titles. Only 1 of those was with Wentz as the starter for the whole year. Yet somehow he only managed to complete 63% of his passes the last two seasons. Also has a career completion percentage of 40.6% against the blitz. If he was going against SEC defenders I could probably give him the benefit of the doubt. He's not. He's playing against guys who aren't getting drafted. He rarely ever gets past his 1st read. So who knows how well he will read defenses. Got by using arm strength in college. That doesn't work against faster NFL players.

Among this draft class he was 29th in accuracy percentage on passes of 20+ yards & 27th in accuracy percentage when pressured.

I really have no clue how he was a top 2 pick. He has just as many question marks as any top 15 QB I've seen in at least 10 years.

He's playing at the FCS level, so you'd expect some crazy stats, right? This is a guy picked #2 overall in the NFL playing at that level. Yet, you look at his numbers, and they really aren't special. I mean, they're nice, yeah, but when you have an FCS qb picked that high you're looking for video game numbers like Steve McNair had at Alcorn State. McNair scored 53 passing and rushing TDs in his senior year alone, Wentz had 58 for his entire NDSU career.

I understand that there's more to it than just numbers, but it's surprising that someone so highly regarded didn't truly dominate at that level.

Why would you throw another GM under the bus? It's a good grade for the Eagles if they have a starter at QB for the next 8-10 years.

If it does not work out...it hurts. But not necessarily devastating. RG3 did not work out for the Skins. But they are the defending NFCE Champs and I think the Skins will be in the mix for the next few years with Danny now taking a back seat and letting football people run the show.

In comment 12960139 Danny Kanell said:

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Comes from saying something like that? Cleveland being Cleveland.

That was my thought too. It's probably true, but why say it? It's not like the Browns' GM was gloating about his negotiating skills, he's just saying the Eagles offered too much. I would think other teams will think twice before engaging this guy.

That's like winning a bikini contest at the fat farm.

That's not a good sign

to Trump's speeches a bit too much.

Your comments and stats to back em up made me happy! I hate the egles more than any other team in the history of the world (that's what happens when you live there for a decade, thankfully that's over). It would be awesome if this guy isn't their franchise QB!

Hopefully, it will take them 3-4 miserable years to figure out he isn't the guy! And another 3-4 miserable decades to find one!

In comment 12960151 Big Rick in FL said:

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Wentz really isn't that good. I don't get the hype. The guy has a powerhouse team that's won 5 straight FCS titles. Only 1 of those was with Wentz as the starter for the whole year. Yet somehow he only managed to complete 63% of his passes the last two seasons. Also has a career completion percentage of 40.6% against the blitz. If he was going against SEC defenders I could probably give him the benefit of the doubt. He's not. He's playing against guys who aren't getting drafted. He rarely ever gets past his 1st read. So who knows how well he will read defenses. Got by using arm strength in college. That doesn't work against faster NFL players. Among this draft class he was 29th in accuracy percentage on passes of 20+ yards & 27th in accuracy percentage when pressured. I really have no clue how he was a top 2 pick. He has just as many question marks as any top 15 QB I've seen in at least 10 years.

^^ This is my favorite post in a long time. It gives me hope... that the egles will suck for a long time.

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I'm not a scout by any means, and I've never seen Wentz play aside from a few video clips. He sounds like an impressive physical specimen. I just find it unusual that his numbers don't jump out at you, particularly when you take into consideration the level of competition. Goff's numbers in the Pac-12 blow Wentz's production in FCS away.

In comment 12960291 Greg from LI said:

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I'm not a scout by any means, and I've never seen Wentz play aside from a few video clips. He sounds like an impressive physical specimen. I just find it unusual that his numbers don't jump out at you, particularly when you take into consideration the level of competition. Goff's numbers in the Pac-12 blow Wentz's production in FCS away.

Devil's advocate Greg(I haven't even bothered viewing clips of him): Aside from possibly 2011, do Eli's "numbers" jump out at you? Forget the SB wins, just the numbers per se..

then the conference Big Ben played in?

I'm just surprised that the Eagles are willing to actually "redshirt" this guy....and possibly not even dress him the entire season.

Has any QB pick that high actually not dressed, or at least not been the primary backup?

You're either starting, or minimally the backup to the starter.

Strange.

In comment 12960305 BillKo said:

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then the conference Big Ben played in? I'm just surprised that the Eagles are willing to actually "redshirt" this guy....and possibly not even dress him the entire season. Has any QB pick that high actually not dressed, or at least not been the primary backup? You're either starting, or minimally the backup to the starter. Strange.

Lee Grosscup, Giants, around '59 or '60...:)

but they fleeced the Titans in the previous trade. It's mind-blowing that they were able to get meaningful draft value out a bunch of Chip's Misfit Toys.

I agree with your overall point about Wentz at ND State. But to be completely fair, his "entire career" there was basically two years.

But, yeah, his numbers over those two years don't make your eyeballs pop out. I think it was more about how much winning the team did with him at QB.

nice trade for the Browns but just winning a trade doesn't make a good GM. The idea is to put together a winning and then contending team on the field. It's a good start for the new regime, but the should probably be a bit more humble until they actually have a team that doesn't suck.

Quality of competition. Eli's numbers at Ole Miss, playing in the SEC, are more impressive than Wentz's.

Or, to use an example people like to use, Roethlisberger's at Miami of Ohio. For one thing, Miami OH is an FBS program, not an FCS program like NDSU so it was already a higher level of football. Roethlisberger started every game he ever suited up for at Miami, unlike Wentz who didn't start until his junior season.

In comment 12960302 Big Blue '56 said:

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Devil's advocate Greg(I haven't even bothered viewing clips of him): Aside from possibly 2011, do Eli's "numbers" jump out at you? Forget the SB wins, just the numbers per se..

Are you seriously comparing the NFL to the FCS?

He didn't even win the starting job until his junior season at NDSU.

In comment 12960321 Mr. Bungle said:

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In comment 12960302 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: Devil's advocate Greg(I haven't even bothered viewing clips of him): Aside from possibly 2011, do Eli's "numbers" jump out at you? Forget the SB wins, just the numbers per se.. Are you seriously comparing the NFL to the FCS?

Of course not. Just that numbers don't always tell the whole or main story..

reports coming out of Cleveland is that Coleman has been out of shape for mini camp. I know its mini camp, and it's early, but definitely not what you want to hear.

Bottom line, sometimes these trades don't work out for either team.

understood.

However, in QB-weak drafts like this one, it's not unusual to see the stock of a lesser prospect get inflated because of the need for quarterbacks.

In comment 12960149 UConn4523 said:

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just another GM comment that I don't really believe. "Was surprised we got as much as we did" = "i'm such a good GM". They got a haul that's pretty much expected now for what's thought of as a franchise QB.

It was a stupid thing to say but he didn't say "We would have taken less but he took my first proposal" did he? So it's more a dig at the other GM, IMO.

In comment 12960151 Big Rick in FL said:

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Wentz really isn't that good. I don't get the hype. The guy has a powerhouse team that's won 5 straight FCS titles. Only 1 of those was with Wentz as the starter for the whole year. Yet somehow he only managed to complete 63% of his passes the last two seasons. Also has a career completion percentage of 40.6% against the blitz. If he was going against SEC defenders I could probably give him the benefit of the doubt. He's not. He's playing against guys who aren't getting drafted. He rarely ever gets past his 1st read. So who knows how well he will read defenses. Got by using arm strength in college. That doesn't work against faster NFL players. Among this draft class he was 29th in accuracy percentage on passes of 20+ yards & 27th in accuracy percentage when pressured. I really have no clue how he was a top 2 pick. He has just as many question marks as any top 15 QB I've seen in at least 10 years.

Wow. Seeing it broken down like thatshocked, I'm fairly shocked he was so highly touted as well. What's more is how much the Eagles wanted him despite having Bradford.

This past season, Wentz wasn't in the top 50 of FCS QBs in passing efficiency, passing yards or yards per completion. The only stat where he is in top 50 is TDs where he's tied for 34th with 17 TDs. I know stats aren't everything, but dang! We're not talking top 50 in NCAA, we're talking top 50 in FCS!

Would be curious how Joe Flacco, Big Ben and Tony the Romo ranked their last seasons.
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It definitely appears that Wentz benefited from being in a winning org., one that won championships immediately before he got there.

Not surprised he wasn't in the top 50 in yards he only played 8 games.

Also look at Easton Stick's stats. That's their backup QB who also started 7 games. He's a freshman & his stats are very similar to Wentz.

so my post above about not being in top 50 is probably meaningless. Nevermind.

I guess time will tell. I hate to wish bad things on anyone. He might be a really nice young man. I hope he's very successful... at something other than being a franchise QB for that lowlife scummy org.

But then Flacco wasn't the #2 overall pick. Flacco also had been an FBS player. He lost a QB competition at Pitt his soph year and transferred to Delaware to get a chance to start as a result. He didn't start out there.

the fact that a guy who was born and raised and played college ball in North Dakota is now supposed to be the saviour of a team with the worst fanbase in all of sports. He better be really good really quickly.

"Say it with me you pancake eating m*th*r f*ck*r!"

In comment 12960628 Trainmaster said:

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"Say it with me you pancake eating m*th*r f*ck*r!"

Ok, I admit it..Definitely over my head. Please explain...:)

in which he plays the GM of the Browns.

In comment 12960696 Greg from LI said:

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in which he plays the GM of the Browns.

Thank you, sir

to the worst fan base anywhere is going to be one hell of an adjustment.

Still can't believe the Eagles made this trade.