What type of Offense do the Giants run?

It's a version of the WCO.

and also what McAdoo says

I wonder how far (if at all) from TC McAdoo takes this O, now that he has complete control

different from before.

In comment 12960661 Big Blue '56 said:

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I wonder how far (if at all) from TC McAdoo takes this O, now that he has complete control

I think it will evolve - but it's going to look pretty similar

McAdoo will still be the playcaller imo

In comment 12960671 gidiefor said:

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McAdoo will still be the playcaller imo

I hope so too. That OC dude seems like a vanilla, cream soda, blase, boring guy.

Maybe 80/20 or higher.

As we saw with McAdoo's offense last year, he loved short passes and only an occasional deep pass. I don't suspect that Sullivan is going to change it up much. If Shepard and Cruz can become a real threat, there might be a few more deep throws to OBJ for the homerun play.

The rushing part of our offense will only be used to keep defenses honest. I expect OBJ to have a record year with Shepard having a great year for a rookie. I also think they will utilize Will Johnson more than people expect and Will Tye will get his share of quick passes. Vereen will duplicate last year. With Will Tye, Will Johnson, and Vereen in the game together, it could be a nightmare for opposing defenses to guess who will be the target.

Whatever you want to call this offense, it's going to be very pass happy. At least this year, Eli has a lot of tools in the bag to work with.

In comment 12960671 gidiefor said:

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McAdoo will still be the playcaller imo

Did he confirm that or is it still up in the air. The last I heard it was still up in the air..Must have missed it

That's ridiculous

out of necessity than design.

true WCO with solid run blocking OL have about a 60/40 pass/run split.

Look at GB when they were firing on all pistons and also SF, you always got a heavy dose of the run game.

In comment 12960675 Big Blue '56 said:

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re: McAdoo will still be the playcaller imo Did he confirm that or is it still up in the air. The last I heard it was still up in the air..Must have missed it

No he hasn't that's why I labelled it "imo"

the imo

I don't expect the Giants to abandon the run

expect an upbeat aggressive burst of running mixed in with quick passes

has fluctuated between 55% and 60% in the past 5 years.

Last year, the ran a higher percentage of the time than the Giants who were at 61%.

Going to 70% or 80% seems highly unlikely. I'd almost say impossible.

The highest percentage team last year passed the ball 65% of the time - the Lions.

The highest in the past 5 years was at 68%

Cignetti.

for "don't run the ball". Being able to run at will is just as important as the short pass game. Brian Westbrook and LeSean McCoy each did plenty of damage on the ground as runners in the WCO.

Also, there isn't really a team in the league that runs a pure form of the west coast offense any more. You have years and years of adjustments and new ideas written into Reid and McCarthy's interpretations of it.

pass 70% of the time

you have to work to confuse the defense and keep them off balance -- and play action is part of that -- you want the defense looking run and having the DBs flinching toward stopping the run - to hopefully catch them off-balance and helping with seperation for the WRs

According to Giants.com the Giants ran the ball 38.5% of their total plays or 403 times out of 1048 total offensive plays in regular season 2015.

been even more balanced if McAdoo/TC had any confidence in the running game.

I see it at least 45 % run

every inch of the field, from the flats to deep corners and deep center. And I believe we have a coach who will utilize all his available tools in a way to keep the opposing D off balance.
I don't really think you'll be able to shoehorn the O into any one style.

is built for pass defense, not power rushing. Lines built for power rushing suck at pass defense because the players are picked for their brawn, not their quick agility.

It would be nice if you could build an offensive line with 400 lb behemoths who can press 800 lbs and can also dance like Fred Astaire. Maybe in the future genetics will allow such men. But in the here and now, you build a line for passing or rushing, one or the other. And as it stands, we're locked into passing. And I suspect that's the way it will be until Eli retires

I mean if you're an NFL lineman you should know how to run and pass block. No?

In any case, if this team is going to be competitive they need to be able to run the ball when the situation calls for it.

If not, they're setting Eli up to get killed.

In comment 12960768 andrew_nyg said:

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I mean if you're an NFL lineman you should know how to run and pass block. No? In any case, if this team is going to be competitive they need to be able to run the ball when the situation calls for it. If not, they're setting Eli up to get killed.

Sure a lineman needs to do both. But he's going to be a lot better at one or the other. Flowers might be one of the new types who can pass protect, but also push big defensive linemen aside.

In a perfect world, a lineman who is super agile and great at pass protection, but is also a cross between a cement wall and a road construction sized bulldozer. They don't really exist yet.

In comment 12960674 mavric said:

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Maybe 80/20 or higher. As we saw with McAdoo's offense last year, he loved short passes and only an occasional deep pas... The rushing part of our offense will only be used to keep defenses honest. I expect OBJ to have a record year with Shepard having a great year for a rookie. I also think they will utilize Will Johnson more than people expect and Will Tye will get his share of quick passes. Vereen will duplicate last year. With Will Tye, Will Johnson, and Vereen in the game together, it could be a nightmare for opposing defenses to guess who will be the target...

Ya know I still think only 5 guys on O are permitted to catch forward passess. So with Cruz, OBJ and SS as 3 of them WTF would you want Tye, Vereen, and Johnson on the field together on passing downs? Not to mention the 4th WR Harris or amother guy emerging from one of the FAs or UDFAS among whom Lewis looked like a beast in college...

You can know how to do it all, but not be particularly effective in some areas.

John Jerry can pass protect well. Inexplicably, despite his size and power he's considered a poor run blocker.

Kareem McKenzie was a mauling, aggressive run blocker. Struggled a bit with really quick pass rushers.

In comment 12960675 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 12960671 gidiefor said: Quote: McAdoo will still be the playcaller imo Did he confirm that or is it still up in the air. The last I heard it was still up in the air..Must have missed it

I don't think it's up in the air I believe McAdoo just didn't want to say.

wonder if the same teams that usually beat the packers will beat us too.

and the 2015 Giants OL especially the tackles couldn't protect long enough to throw deep passes so we have no idea what McAdoo will run if he has a good OL. Hopefully this year he does.

Of the Mike Holmgren version of the Bill Walsh original WCO which uses short passing game to substitute a running attack and set up the long ball.
It requires a smart Qb (Eli Montana) and WRs who can run after the catch. RBs must also know how to block the blitz and catch the ball in space.

We are running the Offense that The two Bills stopped cold in the 80s
Ironic Huh.

Was like someone said in here,,an expensive fancy Italian sport car.

When it worked it was unstoppable. But when it broke down it was a hunk of shit. Gilbride/Coughlin had no idea how to fix their fancy sports car.

with fast break - fast pace when they are in attack mode. A speed similar to a Chip Kelly type offense and a slow down when needed for game circumstances.

The offense is going to play fast and pressure the defense with tremendous YAC type receivers in OBJ, Shepard, Cruz and Harris.

In comment 12960887 JPinstripes said:

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with fast break - fast pace when they are in attack mode. A speed similar to a Chip Kelly type offense and a slow down when needed for game circumstances. The offense is going to play fast and pressure the defense with tremendous YAC type receivers in OBJ, Shepard, Cruz and Harris.

Sorry to say
It's nothing like Chip Kelly's Offense..think more Andy Reid.

with fast break - fast pace when they are in attack mode. A speed similar to a Chip Kelly type offense



Sorry to say
It's nothing like Chip Kelly's Offense..think more Andy Reid. [/quote]

Did you mis read this? "with fast break - fast pace when they are in attack mode. A speed similar to a Chip Kelly type offense"

The emphasis of what I wrote and analogy to SPEED and PACE of a Chip Kelly offense. Also note my subject - WCO.

But Kelly's biggest flaw is that he tires out his defense and gives the other team many offensive opportunities. He goes balls out all the time.

As I said we be more like Reid/ Walsh and move the ball a lot in the air but also know that we need to win time of possession. Something Kelly blows off. Kelly's offense is not WCO more A college Spread offense that relies on tiring out the other teams defense as he did to us.

In comment 12960934 Shadow said:

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But Kelly's biggest flaw is that he tires out his defense and gives the other team many offensive opportunities. He goes balls out all the time. As I said we be more like Reid/ Walsh and move the ball a lot in the air but also know that we need to win time of possession. Something Kelly blows off. Kelly's offense is not WCO more A college Spread offense that relies on tiring out the other teams defense as he did to us.

My only reference was to the pace of Kelly's offense as McAdoo's roots are WCO.

I think the Giants are going to play fast break and attack more frequently then we have ever seen. Look at the personnel on offense. Look at the emphasis on speed and constant movement during off season workouts.

that McAdoo wasn't going to call the Plays ..
Fuck Chip Kelley ...
I think We add a RT and Become a Team that yes can
pressure you in the Pass Game but can still close it out with a run game ... Sure Eli's Sack Totals were
down but he still took his fair share of Hits and
that Offense Rating sure didn't tell the whole
story when you add in all the Padded Stats Yardage
in the 10 LOSSES ..IMO

Gilbride principles sprinkled in

In comment 12960881 Shadow said:

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Was like someone said in here,,an expensive fancy Italian sport car. When it worked it was unstoppable. But when it broke down it was a hunk of shit. Gilbride/Coughlin had no idea how to fix their fancy sports car.

That offense had a ton of elements from the old run and shoot (which Gilbride ran With The Oilers)

And hell yes,when it was on...sheesh...big play after big play.
What killed that offense was the fact that our OLine simply went to shit.

Gilbride is arguably the greatest offensive coordinator we have ever had. But damn did we hate him.

Fantastic guards and core of the line, Ball out faster than DEs could impact the play. Fast, fast, fast.

The only thing that really distinguishes them are minor frequency differences. I refer to them as literally "the NFL offense".

The West Coast Offense was designed to have short quick passes 3/5 step drops. It did not incorporate the Shotgun. If you remember the packers offense of the mid 90's or the 49er offense in the 90's you never saw shot gun.

The offense is a multiple formation offense. To say it is true WCO is bull because offense as a whole has expanded. The offense and additional formations are designed with WCO principals.

The Run and Shoot was a gimmick offense. We ran many of the concepts from it when Gilbride was here. To say we run a spread is very accurate. 4/5 wr sets spreading the field is a spread offense.

The tackle play is critical as is every other position on the OL.

The running game will change and here is why. McAdoo ran the passing game. The run game did not change since that was TC's specialty. Do not be surprised to see the running game operate differently, with more zone schemes and combo blocks and less 1 x 1 drive blocking.

I linked up a great WCO playbook
West Coast Offense Playbook - ( New Window )

In the running attack. He did some interesting stuff at SF and we have the OL coach.