Graziano: Why Giants should look into trading DRC

He's got size, speed and skills. I'd keep him.

please continue.

needs stuff to write about. Throw something out there that can get some attention that is not totally out of the question and you get readers to talk about it,

to write about the NFL not understand that because the starting line up shows to CBs, that the 3rd CB is not a backup? You need 4 good corners to have a solid defense, and right now the Giants have 3. That doesn't make one expendable.

Apple was a need pick, even if DRC was staying. He may step into a bigger role when DRC goes, but Apple is not simply a replacement for DRC.

Then we are back to square one at the corner position before the draft. Also, Reese said you can never have enough corners. We still need some depth. If we get Hall, we are balls deep at the position.

In comment 12961719 NNJ Tom said:

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you need 4. Do the math. Graziano is a hack.

I would modify that and say a team needs 5 or 6 to stay competitive.

is super annoying.

But I am concerned that he staggers around after tackles some times, and if we could get something really good for him, I'd be tempted to move him. I hope his head is okay.

The great Trumaine McBride had as many int's.....

He certainly did not have a good second half of a season....he did miss some critical drops....

The only thing I can possibly come up with is maybe he is unhappy with what he is making, compared to Jenkins, who will be making more than TWICE as much money as him, this year and next....and maybe he has approached the front office about it....at today's prices, he is a bargain, so to trade him doesn't make sense.....

If he is upset with his contract, there is the possibility, that he might not go back into games right away when hurt, like he was a few times last year.....

I am only speculating about how he feels about the contract....he will be on the wrong side of 30 next year, so his bargaining position is weak....and just how much more pounding can his body take? There are many times when he makes a tackle, that you wonder if he is going to get up....

Was the best player on the Giants defense last year. He's a playmaker at a premium position locked into a reasonable contract. He's shown no signs of slowing down.

Stupid to trade him.

something similar in a cryptic fashion several times in the last couple months. Not entirely clear whats brewing under the surface but without having that knowledge I really dont get the logic to suggestions like this one.

are true, but chipping away at a player's character should be treated a bit more seriously than this. Feels like a line that doesn't need to be crossed, and we wouldn't stand for it if it was done to us.

its a filler issue. Like when Deadpool faced off against Hit Monkey.

He's just filling pages until there is real news to move the plot along.

In comment 12962062 Doomster said:

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The great Trumaine McBride had as many int's.....

As usual, you fail to understand what's happening on the football field and try to use statistics to figure out how a player performed. DRC and Trumaine McBride aren't even in the same universe.

FWIW, most of the speculation is coming from hitdog mentioning back around the opening of the FA period that DRC may be elsewhere next year. Based on the rest of the things he shared, I have no reason to believe there's no traction to it.. it just seems like a weird situation. I'd like to think it's not an irreparable issue but we don't know the specifics so there's no way of really knowing.

I certainly would not be looking to move him right now, though. We simply don't have the depth at DB to absorb that type of loss. Even if it meant adding a pick or player at another spot.

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Hosley doesn't have a big personality, agenda or bad work ethic like DRC allegedly has.

He also doesn't have any game either but hey, you can't have it all...

Even If Apple was ready to start and I highly
doubt that , I think were close with some
good Health Luck .
I wouldn't try and throw Apple to the Dogs
and waste another Year of whats left of
Eli Manning .. DRC is Money IMO Especially
if our Newly Acquired FA's Have solid
years . I would bet good Money DRC Has a Big Year
take a few to the House . I love what we on
the Defensive Side ...

In comment 12962185 NYGmen58 said:

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Graziano will write after 2 of their Top 4 CBs go on IR during the 2016 season

Fixed it for you.

First, when was the last time we traded a starter for anyone? I honestly can't remember. Something I do remember is how the bad the Giants defense was when DRC wasn't on the field.

Let's keep DRC and see if there's any interest in trading Graziano.

on this was provided a long time ago--- the full details were not proper to share at the time and still aren't. but what jonc alludes and i have in the past is as much as should be said.

and if the full color were shared BBI would have a hissy fit that someone knew something and the team is leaky and we could have won the superbowl this year if we didn't have leaks... and so forth

with Fassel, Billick and all those coeds??

What I'm trying to do is provide some info without damaging anyone's character or connections. I think my long history here should demonstrate there's no ill intent on my part, nor is it gossip. The fact that a few of us with info aren't sharing it all should tell you something as well, this forum is monitored. Let's leave it at that.

gossip?

Yet again, perhaps someone else can assist you.

you do not have to defend yourselves with the shitty posters who are back under multiple handles. We understand why you do what you do and appreciate it.

FWIW, my opinion of the matter isn't a personal thing directed at anyone.

It just seems like greasy business.

Then we're down to Jenkins and Apple. And you know one of them is bound to getting injured. Yeah, no thanks.

In comment 12961732 Big Blue '56 said:

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he's one of the best in the business..I wish people would stop worrying about flucking money and cap implications..We're fine and should be for quite some time, imv

I've seen you post things in this vein a few times (including the one long one about Mara's money), but I don't get your thought process. You're an intelligent poster so I'm perplexed that you can't understand why people care about this.

We have a limited amount of resources to spend, so shouldn't it be used to maximize value? When spending is capped, you want to get the most bang for your buck. Yes, the cap can be manipulated, but within reason.

I'm starting too though. That was one of the most ignorant articles I've ever read.

Ranahan's idea. On his podcast he suggested to trade him to the Ravens for Monroe . I don't agree with either suggestion .

Many people enjoy reading gossip about players. Personally, I think it's a low blow to make subtle hints about a player without backing it up but that's just me. Differences in opinions between players and management is hardly newsworthy, IMO but to each his own.

You're telling us you know the details but can't say because the board is monitored. If that's the case, why publicly admit to knowing the scoop?

FROM LAST SEASON.. JESUS CHRIST DAN, THEY PAY YOU FOR THIS BULLSHIT?

I try to share, and some info isn't to be put here until a certain time if at all, as hitdog echoed. If posters would prefer to hear nothing, I'll accept it. No problem.

There is a distinction you're unwilling to make ... I used to live in the same building as a dozen plus NYG players. From that time, there was gossip and there was legit info both to be had. All it takes is some intelligence to sift into two piles. I suggest you ignore the info.

I almost hate to read an article written by him. He's more biased then Aikman, and he's suppose to be writing for us?

In comment 12962339 JonC said:

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I try to share, and some info isn't to be put here until a certain time if at all, as hitdog echoed. If posters would prefer to hear nothing, I'll accept it. No problem. There is a distinction you're unwilling to make ... I used to live in the same building as a dozen plus NYG players. From that time, there was gossip and there was legit info both to be had. All it takes is some intelligence to sift into two piles. I suggest you ignore the info.

fair enough, I'll return to ignoring the gossip

In comment 12962332 geemanfan said:

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Ranahan's idea. On his podcast he suggested to trade him to the Ravens for Monroe . I don't agree with either suggestion .

This is why I hate seeing beat reporters act like armchair GM's, it borders on Madden-esque levels of absurdity. Why turn a strength into a middle of the pack unit to patch a hole where someone will be available later on after the first wave of cuts? If we do part with DRC, it'll probably be after this season when we have a better picture of what we have in Apple.

If things work out he could be trade bait next year, but even then I'd prefer to keep him unless his play falls off.

Barilko is attributing to Jon - but based on what I have heard I support JonC's position - Barilko -- no one owes you anything -- it's the other way around - but you are too thickheaded and numb to life to understand it

whether things came to fruition or not..As he has always maintained, things are fluid..

He did not like the DRC signing for whatever reason, but was quick to acknowledge his excellent play which many posters stubbornly refuse to dowhen they dig in and take a stance..Jon did not do that. To his credit

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FO/Coaches need to consider the ramifications carefully with just allowing a stressed relationship with DRC to get worse.

They have no idea how hard/well Jenkins is going to play now that he has all this guaranteed money, and nobody knows how Apple will respond to playing in the NFL yet either.

So letting Cornerbacks that know what they are doing walk out the door in today's pass-crazy game would be imprudent. Sometimes a team is going to have to put up with some "agendas" if the overall contribution is positive.

Or we can keep drafting guys like Hosley every few years...

In comment 12962471 Jimmy Googs said:

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FO/Coaches need to consider the ramifications carefully with just allowing a stressed relationship with DRC to get worse. They have no idea how hard/well Jenkins is going to play now that he has all this guaranteed money, and nobody knows how Apple will respond to playing in the NFL yet either. So letting Cornerbacks that know what they are doing walk out the door in today's pass-crazy game would be imprudent. Sometimes a team is going to have to put up with some "agendas" if the overall contribution is positive. Or we can keep drafting guys like Hosley every few years...

No matter what it is, if it was bad enough, he'd be gone by now, imo..This leads me to believe, if true, there can be a reconciliation of sorts..

Just wanted to echo the sentiments of other posters that I appreciate the information you give and understand why you cannot divulge details on a public forum. Thank you for your insight, it's much appreciated, and there is a large segment of BBI that understands the dynamic nature of this info and the reasons not to share specific details.

so he pulled this one out of his a**

trade Hankins too.

DRC played VERY well..missed some INT's yes.

maybe he wants a raise IDK...I hope they keep him and every other good defender that plays hard.

RE: DRC is a top 5 CB?
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In comment 12962062 Doomster said:
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The great Trumaine McBride had as many int's.....

As usual, you fail to understand what's happening on the football field and try to use statistics to figure out how a player performed. DRC and Trumaine McBride aren't even in the same universe.


Apparently you missed the point I was making....there was no comparison to McBride...it was to show his lack of production, especially when some think he is a top 5 CB.....and since when, are stats not an argument? And I didn't even bring up the passes defended...

Do you think he is a top 5 CB? Think he played anywhere near that level last season? And he was a fragile CB.....he was stung many times last season....and he is one year older...

But nowhere did I back Graziano's thought of trading him....he is a bargain at what corners are being paid.....we have no depth at corner...we can't afford to lose him, and better hope that he can take the hits this season when tackling....

Trading DRC this year is one of the dumbest moves we could make. It would be horrible. This is just a bullshit article.

In comment 12962219 trueblueinpw said:

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First, when was the last time we traded a starter for anyone? I honestly can't remember. Something I do remember is how the bad the Giants defense was when DRC wasn't on the field. Let's keep DRC and see if there's any interest in trading Graziano.

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