Is Mike Solari Most Important Addition To Giants Offense?

Vermeil, Holmgren, Seifert, Landry.

Agreed.

A few weeks ago, so myah

...but players play and there is only so much you can scheme to compensate for the talent level of your players.

I'll have a grilled cheese

In comment 12962071 Torrag said:

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...but players play and there is only so much you can scheme to compensate for the talent level of your players.

Torrag - Bobby Hart has talent - so does John Jerry -- so does Pugh - so does Richburg and so does Flowers - Newhouse could use some technique improvement but could make an excellent swing tackle if we didn't have to rely on him as a starter

Solari has taken a similar group at San Francisco and turned them into a force to be reckoned with

In comment 12962080 gidiefor said:

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In comment 12962071 Torrag said: Quote: ...but players play and there is only so much you can scheme to compensate for the talent level of your players. Torrag - Bobby Hart has talent - so does John Jerry -- so does Pugh - so does Richburg and so does Flowers - Newhouse could use some technique improvement but could make an excellent swing tackle if we didn't have to rely on him as a starter Solari has taken a similar group at San Francisco and turned them into a force to be reckoned with

Good post, poppy

Oline coach than Solari. The Giants were lucky to get him. One article says he stresses the fundamentals but must adjust to each players strengths.

Flaherty has been subpar the last 5 years

Giants O-line problem occurred because they weren't able to develop mid-round or lower round picks.

That probably wasn't Reese's fault, but anyone can pick could linemen in the first or second round. Maybe he picked decent talent in Rounds 4-7 but Flaherty didn't develop them.

In comment 12962071 Torrag said:

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...but players play and there is only so much you can scheme to compensate for the talent level of your players.

We have John Jerry. How much more talent do you expect?

is the most important addition.

Palmieri wasn't cutting it.

Did you see the Pats line make a huge drop off when they switched O line coaches?

Not coaches. While it may prove to be a good addition there is no way he's more important than Sterling Sheppard, we cant depend on Cruz and we have no weapons after Odell. SS is more important.

...we haven't seen it on Sunday's yet so how do you know? Jerry isn't a talented player he's a JAG or worse. Newhouse is purely backup material forced into a starting role. I don't think the 'talent' of this group will allow this offense to reach it's potential...no matter who is coaching it. WE have three of five pieces and what's worse they all line up fron center to the left which exposes the weaknesses of the pair on the right.

As I said you have to have good coaching but it's neither fair nor realistic to expect the guy to make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

before they play.

Educated guess. He's not some guy who should be bagging groceries. He's a late round draft pick who started on a national champion.

of Coughlin leaving, an unprecedented FA period, and a draft class that's inviting and generating a lot of talk. But he guy has a great track record and is well regarded by his peers. After he was hired I remember browsing some Packer message boards and some fans were upset when he walked as they felt he was better than current OL coach James Campen, especially after GBs OL struggled last year. Here's a piece about it from a Packers blog.
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In comment 12962080 gidiefor said:

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In comment 12962071 Torrag said: Quote: ...but players play and there is only so much you can scheme to compensate for the talent level of your players. Torrag - Bobby Hart has talent - so does John Jerry -- so does Pugh - so does Richburg and so does Flowers - Newhouse could use some technique improvement but could make an excellent swing tackle if we didn't have to rely on him as a starter Solari has taken a similar group at San Francisco and turned them into a force to be reckoned with

I don't know if the talent level is comparable. In 2012, They had Anthony Davis, Leonard Davis, Mike Iupati, Joe Staley, and Alex Boone (who was an UDFA to be fair).

All of the other players were very, very high picks.

Speaking of Anthony Davis....

None of those guys are making the hall of fame or anything. That 49er OL during their title runs had guys that were great at run blocking and playing in their scheme. They were built to run the ball and played to their strengths.

Iupati has never been a great pass protector but he can overpower in the run game.

I mean since they weren't going ot bother getting a realy perimeter WR ;)

In comment 12962293 Sonic Youth said:

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I don't know if the talent level is comparable. In 2012, They had Anthony Davis, Leonard Davis, Mike Iupati, Joe Staley, and Alex Boone (who was an UDFA to be fair). All of the other players were very, very high picks.

sonic - why don't you know if the talent level is comparable? -- the Giants have a high and a mid first round pick, a mid second round pick and a 5ht round pick - John Jerry was compared to Leonard Davis in the 2010 draft, Marshall Newhouse is also a fifth-round pick that was a 3 year starter for the Packers at OT -- why isn't that he same level of talent?

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Jerry was considered one of the better offensive linemen available in the 2010 NFL Draft. He drew comparisons to Leonard Davis. On draft day, he was selected by the Miami Dolphins in the 3rd round, 73rd overall.

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In comment 12962348 gidiefor said:

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In comment 12962293 Sonic Youth said: Quote: I don't know if the talent level is comparable. In 2012, They had Anthony Davis, Leonard Davis, Mike Iupati, Joe Staley, and Alex Boone (who was an UDFA to be fair). All of the other players were very, very high picks. sonic - why don't you know if the talent level is comparable? -- the Giants have a high and a mid first round pick, a mid second round pick and a 5ht round pick - John Jerry was compared to Leonard Davis in the 2010 draft, Marshall Newhouse is also a fifth-round pick that was a 3 year starter for the Packers at OT -- why isn't that he same level of talent? Quote: Jerry was considered one of the better offensive linemen available in the 2010 NFL Draft. He drew comparisons to Leonard Davis. On draft day, he was selected by the Miami Dolphins in the 3rd round, 73rd overall. Link - ( New Window )

Solari has also developed Casey Weigmann and Brian Winters who were UDFA's.

The first guy he'll mention is Mike Solari.

In comment 12962320 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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None of those guys are making the hall of fame or anything. That 49er OL during their title runs had guys that were great at run blocking and playing in their scheme. They were built to run the ball and played to their strengths. Iupati has never been a great pass protector but he can overpower in the run game.

I agree 100%.

The kind of pure pass protection Cam Newton had last season, I don't think I've seen in SF since Joe Montana.

He helped coached GB OL and Rodgers ran for his life every game

In comment 12962071 Torrag said:

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...but players play and there is only so much you can scheme to compensate for the talent level of your players.

bingo

In comment 12963111 stretch234 said:

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He helped coached GB OL and Rodgers ran for his life every game

Not sure the first place I'd look is at the assistant coach.

You have a 5th round pick, three 4th round picks and one first rounder starting on that offensive line.

for various players we have, coaching simply can't be ignored. Our previous regime had some ineffective pieces and hopefully we moved on from the right ones with better replacements; this seems like one of them.

As for the OL, i've said it a couple times and while I can no doubt be wrong, there's got to be something Solari and McAdoo like with the current pieces in place. I have faith in it, others may not which is fine too.

but kind of disheartening he was our 2nd choice behind Philbin, who chose the colts over us

So the GB awful OL is based upon low draft picks, but their GM is a genius. Amazing how Thompson can field years of bad OL and defense and be considered a great GM because he keeps his draft picks, even though most of them are OK

Lets be honest, 31 other QB's behind that line struggle to win 5 games

I think a new OL voice is a good thing moving forward

In comment 12963206 area junc said:

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but kind of disheartening he was our 2nd choice behind Philbin, who chose the colts over us

junkie - you know what's really disheartening - the junk that spews out of you on a regular basis - and your total lack of respect for others

Gidie? Stop following me around, grow up




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In comment 12964051 area junc said:

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Gidie? Stop following me around, grow up Philbin choses Colts over Giants - ( New Window )

I'll make a deal with you -- stop being FOS and I'll stop calling you out

NO!