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That’s Gold, Jerry : 5/18/2016 3:05 pm
I just rewatched this yesterday and, for those who may not have seen it or remember this game, it essentially clinched the NFC East for the Giants that year...their first division title since the merger. It was also the game in which Parcells was uncharacteristically ebullient about the team's performance. He commented to Peter King, who was writing for Newsday then as a beat writer: "I'm proud of my guys today, Peter"

This was not a perfect game by any stretch. The Skins committed seven or eight turnovers including six INTs from Jay Schroeder and Simms tossed one interception and there were a couple of fumbles. But the hitting was fierce, the game played with few penalties and until the third quarter it was a battle. Simms was magnificent after the Skins scored to tie the game 7-7 as he led a two minute drive to put the Giants back in front 14-7 at the half. What a treat to see just how good Mark Bavaro was...he was simply a beast...as good as I have ever seen as a tight end. He was coming off the massive catch and run against SF the previous Monday Night and he was simply brilliant...over 100 yards receiving and his usual run blocking mayhem.

When I look at that team offensively, no real star players. Morris was very good but not really one of the top runners in the game. The offensive line was unheralded but worked tremendously well together. Our wide receivers were Bobby Johnson and Stacy Robinson with McConkey backing up. Lionel Manuel was hurt for this game. It was a game where we also saw the emergence of Erik Howard at nose tackle.

To have that linebacking crew and then to see guys like Headen, Pepper Johnson and Hunt on the bench is something you just do not see anymore. Any one of these guys could start for any NFL team today. LT was just a blur when he wanted to rush the passer. Joe Jacoby looked like a statue but it was surprising the Skins didn't have a tight end chipping on him regularly. That only happened on occasion.

The Skins were no slouches...also 11-2 at the time. They had the Hogs, George Rogers backed up by Kelvin Bryant, Art Monk, Gary Clark and Ricky Sanders to catch passes and good tight ends. Manley was also a beast that year and he and LT entered the game tied for the league lead in sacks. LT had 3 in the game though and Manley had none. Benson did a number on him.

But it was the hitting and surprising to hear Madden talk about the poor tackling. Looking back, it was great tackling from my perspective especially when you compare it to what we see on a regular basis today.

BP, Belichick at 38, Mike Pope, Ron Ehrhardt...man, what a staff! What a team that was.
I was at that game.  
Gman11 : 5/18/2016 3:11 pm : link
In fact, it was the first regular season Giants game that I had ever attended.

After the game, some fan started yelling at me as we were walking to our bus. I just said, "What are pissed at me about? I didn't throw 6 interceptions!" Bwwaaaahaaaahaahaaa.
This was also the game in which Parcells said to  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 5/18/2016 3:13 pm : link
Simms: "You know Simms, they hate us so much here I think they really like us"
That was an awesome game  
Greg from LI : 5/18/2016 3:16 pm : link
Two heavyweights going toe to toe and slugging it out for the division title. Bavaro had a huge game.
One Of Best Games Ever  
Rong5611 : 5/18/2016 3:25 pm : link
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Yeah, the game wasn't even as close as the final score  
Big Blue '56 : 5/18/2016 3:31 pm : link
as the Skins scored a meaningless TD near the end..

A week later I moved to Boca Raton and listened to the division-clinching loss by the Skins ( on a missed extra point) at Denver while driving. 31-30 I believe was the final score
Most important Giants regular season game  
arniefez : 5/18/2016 3:32 pm : link
of my lifetime. #2 was a loss in 2007..... Both of those games lead to 2 Super Bowl wins.
RE: Most important Giants regular season game  
Big Blue '56 : 5/18/2016 3:35 pm : link
In comment 12962403 arniefez said:
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of my lifetime. #2 was a loss in 2007..... Both of those games lead to 2 Super Bowl wins.


I'm assuming you're referring to the season-finale loss to the Pats
Correct  
arniefez : 5/18/2016 3:39 pm : link
Game 16 vs NE 2007. If Tom Coughlin ever makes the NFL HOF that week will be the reason why.
RE: Correct  
Big Blue '56 : 5/18/2016 3:43 pm : link
In comment 12962410 arniefez said:
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Game 16 vs NE 2007. If Tom Coughlin ever makes the NFL HOF that week will be the reason why.


It certainly was one of many he's made during his HOF career, imo..Iirc, we did have a few starters injured and missing the TB game the following week, but that was a "landmark" decision that brought John Madden to tears(in his phone call message to TC)
RE: Correct  
Greg from LI : 5/18/2016 3:51 pm : link
In comment 12962410 arniefez said:
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Game 16 vs NE 2007. If Tom Coughlin ever makes the NFL HOF that week will be the reason why.


Not even slightly true, but I'll give you credit for managing to write something that didn't involve James Dolan.
my friends got me a 10 greatest Giants game dvd set  
Moondawg : 5/18/2016 4:00 pm : link
and I recently watched the playoff game against the skins. What a contest. The wind was insane and Sean Landetta just had a monster game.
Huge win that season. The Redskins were an outstanding  
Jimmy Googs : 5/18/2016 4:15 pm : link
team but at this point you could tell that they weren't going to get past the Giants. This game put them in control of the Div and the NFC as they took the series 2-0.

The Giant offense was clearly disappointing that game because with all those turnovers by the Skins it really should have been a blowout but Simms wasn't getting the team into the endzone enough. Credit Skins to some degree as they had a good defense too.

As the season wore on, Simms and his receivers woke up and really started playing well which made the Giants basically unbeatable to go along with a good running game and epic Defense.

My favorite season...
All time great game.....Gives me chills thinmking about it.  
kinard : 5/18/2016 5:00 pm : link
...McConkey making that juggling TD catch in the corner of the endzone.

I still think  
RetroJint : 5/18/2016 6:09 pm : link
That one pass to Bavaro was knocked down by the squandron of birds that Gibbs trained.Joe Morris was a great running back until the end of that season. Then began the decline. Madden marveled at how the Giants gave Bavaro the one-on-one blocking assignment on Dexter Manley. Manley was so frustrated that near the end of the game when the Giants were running out the clock with sneaks, the Redskins defense was breaking Manley's balls, saying "Let Dexter in. He needs a sack."

Washington was excellent. They had eliminated the Bears in Chicago. Then in the Wind Tunnel Game, Clark and Sanders dropped perfectly thrown passes by Schroeder that were two easy touchdowns. Parcells gave the margin of victory to McConkey catching the punts in the air, while Sanders gave up 20-yards of field position by letting the ball drop.

Phil was something like 4-17 for 56 yards with the only big passing play being a runner over the middle to Manuel, who was activated for the game. Washington made a permanent adjustment in preparing for the NFC Championship. No more 7-step drops for their quarterback. Jacoby could not steer LT wide from that angle.

It was a great series. Great teams. Great coaches.
I was there  
joeinpa : 5/18/2016 6:28 pm : link
As the game began I remember wondering with only two losses and a win previously against the Skins how the Giants found themselves having to win in Washington to win the division. I m not sure of the specifics even now but I remember thinking it didn't seem right

Fortunately there was no way Giants were losing that game.
RE: I was there  
Jimmy Googs : 5/18/2016 6:35 pm : link
In comment 12962584 joeinpa said:
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As the game began I remember wondering with only two losses and a win previously against the Skins how the Giants found themselves having to win in Washington to win the division. I m not sure of the specifics even now but I remember thinking it didn't seem right



I think both teams had 2 losses going into the game so if the Giants lost they would have been one game behind even though they split the series with Skins.

What doesnt seem right Joe?
RE: RE: I was there  
Big Blue '56 : 5/18/2016 6:39 pm : link
In comment 12962591 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 12962584 joeinpa said:


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As the game began I remember wondering with only two losses and a win previously against the Skins how the Giants found themselves having to win in Washington to win the division. I m not sure of the specifics even now but I remember thinking it didn't seem right





I think both teams had 2 losses going into the game so if the Giants lost they would have been one game behind even though they split the series with Skins.

What doesnt seem right Joe?


What he's saying essentially, is how could we only have 2 losses the ENTIRE season AND a win over the Skins and STILL FIND OURSELVES needing a win to take the division. That, just didn't seem right or make any sense
Or as I would say,  
Big Blue '56 : 5/18/2016 6:53 pm : link
how TF do we lose just 2 games, have a game in hand on the Skins and still be fighting for the division? How does that make any sense?
I must be in a fog because I don't get your  
Jimmy Googs : 5/18/2016 7:13 pm : link
confusion.

We had the same record when that game started...they were good too.

The winner would have a 1 game lead in the division with 2 to go.
nice post Jerry but  
bluepepper : 5/18/2016 7:13 pm : link
this threw me
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When I look at that team offensively, no real star players. Morris was very good but not really one of the top runners in the game.

Morris and Bavaro were stars. And Morris absolutely was one of the top runners in the game. Not for very long but for a couple of years definitely.
RE: I must be in a fog because I don't get your  
Big Blue '56 : 5/18/2016 7:19 pm : link
In comment 12962634 Jimmy Googs said:
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confusion.

We had the same record when that game started...they were good too.

The winner would have a 1 game lead in the division with 2 to go.


Ok, despite two attempts at clarification, you still miss the point(s)..Ok, moving on..:)
Yes, someone's missing  
Jimmy Googs : 5/18/2016 7:50 pm : link
something...
I reviewed this game  
Matt in SGS : 5/18/2016 7:55 pm : link
a couple of years ago. Enjoy.
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What was the deal with the Parcells line to Peter King?  
BlackLight : 5/19/2016 1:47 am : link
Did King write something that week about how Parcells wasn't proud of his team?
Agree with bluepepper  
CaptSehorn : 5/19/2016 2:06 am : link
Morris was a star. Short peak no doubt. For those two seasons he was as good as anyone not named Dickerson or Payton.

85: 1336 4.5 21 tds
86: 1514 4.4 14 tds (missed a game)
All pro both years
56  
joeinpa : 5/19/2016 7:16 am : link
It was a long time ago. Now that you clarified it has come back a little. I forgot they has identical records. My thought back then was how tough it would be to beat them there. I had been going to the Giants Redskins game for years and had never seen them win there.

Shouldn't have posted what I did. Didnt think it through. Thanks for clarifying it.
RE: Or as I would say,  
micky : 5/19/2016 8:10 am : link
In comment 12962612 Big Blue '56 said:
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how TF do we lose just 2 games, have a game in hand on the Skins and still be fighting for the division? How does that make any sense?


crazy other tie breaking scenarios


on another note. This game was pivotal to the giants winning a championship. it set the tone and was one of the important games in the long history of this franchise. It was a great team and competition at that time. Remember being so pumped up after winning down their in their place.
great game, and regular season to boot. Better than most playoff games  
Victor in CT : 5/19/2016 9:26 am : link
today.

I remember my dad being so pumped for that game that he went out ond bot a brand new SONY Trinitron 27" console to watch it on. Thing had to weigh 200 pounds
great game  
Simms : 5/19/2016 12:53 pm : link
I was there too, an amazing season.
I would  
NYBEN1963 : 5/19/2016 1:39 pm : link
Love to get a copy of that game if possible ...e-mail me (benjaminlloyd1963@gmail.com) please and let me know if you can make a copy for me and how much you would need from me for your trouble.
RE: I would  
BlackLight : 5/19/2016 1:55 pm : link
In comment 12963825 NYBEN1963 said:
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Love to get a copy of that game if possible ...e-mail me (benjaminlloyd1963@gmail.com) please and let me know if you can make a copy for me and how much you would need from me for your trouble.


It's on the web, I believe.
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RE: RE: I would  
NYBEN1963 : 5/20/2016 2:24 pm : link
In comment 12963880 BlackLight said:
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In comment 12963825 NYBEN1963 said:


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Love to get a copy of that game if possible ...e-mail me (benjaminlloyd1963@gmail.com) please and let me know if you can make a copy for me and how much you would need from me for your trouble.



It's on the web, I believe. Link - ( New Window )



Thanks for the link ...I really want it on DVD to add to my collection...thanks again for the link though
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