Among the Native Americans reached over a five-month period ending in April, more than 7 in 10 said they did not feel the word “Redskin” was disrespectful to Indians. An even higher number — 8 in 10 — said they would not be offended if a non-native called them that name......
Across every demographic group, the vast majority of Native Americans say the team’s name does not offend them, including 80 percent who identify as politically liberal, 85 percent of college graduates, 90 percent of those enrolled in a tribe, 90 percent of non-football fans and 91 percent of those between the ages of 18 and 39. |
What's more important, the quality of life of the vast majority of your own people and neighbors, or a freaking nickname?
How else are poor brown people oppressed by the evil white man.
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give me specific evidence where he promoted hatred against Muslims........I'll wait.
Find it yourself, jerky. Try using Google, if you know what that is.
Funny how some old twat is telling me about Google. All you do is cry like a little bitch and pretend you know everything. I ask again smarty where's you evidence?
If you got none, go fuck off!
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c'mon libby what else you got?
How else are poor brown people oppressed by the evil white man.
Tell us!
dude, you suck at this, give it up
Says the guy who writes an essay to disprove a sarcastic comment. You need to go outside little boy.
Clearly sipping the lib kool-aid aren't we? Your evidence for any of this is where exactly? Huffington Post? LMAO
You need sources for this?
That's not Huffington Post trash, that's his fucking platform. And I'm not even commenting on my political views of his platform, all I'm saying is that if you can bulid a platform based on things that a subset of America will find offensive, I can't buy that "you can't offend anyone these days"
I just find it amusing since the Scandinavian countries have been so pacifist for so long, yet what their history is most renowned for in the popular conception is war and pillage.
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What's more important, the quality of life of the vast majority of your own people and neighbors, or a freaking nickname?
Having said that, I totally agree that this whole thing is really irrelevant and shouldn't be as big of a deal as it is.
I also don't understand why the name "Redskins" has become a bigger deal than Chief Wahoo or whatever the Indians mascot is. THAT truly signals to me that there are background forces deciding what's an issue and who is a target TO AN EXTENT... I'm not naive.
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c'mon libby what else you got?
How else are poor brown people oppressed by the evil white man.
Tell us!
dude, you suck at this, give it up
Says the guy who writes an essay to disprove a sarcastic comment. You need to go outside little boy.
Writing an essay and explaining why your false equivalency is a flaming pile of shit isn't the same as trolling.
You're trolling and you suck at it. You're trying to get under my skin and get me angry, but you're failing miserably at it dude lol. So again, you suck at this. I'm 27 and grew up with the internet, you need to do better than that to make an impact lol. SJW/libtard/safe space/trigger blah blah blah, you're talking about things I find stupid as well, so again, try harder or find some other avenue.
Lord you ARE dim.
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c'mon libby what else you got?
How else are poor brown people oppressed by the evil white man.
Tell us!
dude, you suck at this, give it up
Says the guy who writes an essay to disprove a sarcastic comment. You need to go outside little boy.
Wow, you really cut me deep with that one.
Writing an essay and explaining why your false equivalency is a flaming pile of shit isn't the same as trolling.
You're trolling and you suck at it. You're trying to get under my skin and get me angry, but you're failing miserably at it dude lol. So again, you suck at this. I'm 27 and grew up with the internet, you need to do better than that to make an impact lol. SJW/libtard/safe space/trigger blah blah blah, you're talking about things I find stupid as well, so again, try harder or find some other avenue.
Ah another great essay, obviously I AM getting under your skin. You just can't help but respond can you?
You Win!
JFC, I already said I didn't bring up Trump to debate his platforms or policy proposals. First of all, I'm right and you're wrong, but that's irrelevant to point I'm trying to make.
The point I'm trying to make is this: no matter how you think his comments were meant to be construed, there are people out there who were offended, and yet, he is the Republican frontrunner, so therefore, the idea that "you can't offend people anymore" is a fallacy.
Although I don't know why I'm trying to have a conversation with you when you're just interested in trolling. I swear, sometimes when my ADD medication kicks in I get sidetracked on reddit or BBI instead of being productive with my work, lol. Can't believe I sank 15 minutes into speaking with someone as trollish as you. I gotta learn one of these days
I just find it amusing since the Scandinavian countries have been so pacifist for so long, yet what their history is most renowned for in the popular conception is war and pillage.
Could you imagine if the Vikings saw what is happening to Sweden right now?
I just find it amusing since the Scandinavian countries have been so pacifist for so long, yet what their history is most renowned for in the popular conception is war and pillage.
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Misquoting + projection = Lib logic
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JFC, I already said I didn't bring up Trump to debate his platforms or policy proposals. First of all, I'm right and you're wrong, but that's irrelevant to point I'm trying to make.
The point I'm trying to make is this: no matter how you think his comments were meant to be construed, there are people out there who were offended, and yet, he is the Republican frontrunner, so therefore, the idea that "you can't offend people anymore" is a fallacy.
Although I don't know why I'm trying to have a conversation with you when you're just interested in trolling. I swear, sometimes when my ADD medication kicks in I get sidetracked on reddit or BBI instead of being productive with my work, lol. Can't believe I sank 15 minutes into speaking with someone as trollish as you. I gotta learn one of these days
I'm not reading all this....
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c'mon libby what else you got?
How else are poor brown people oppressed by the evil white man.
Tell us!
dude, you suck at this, give it up
Says the guy who writes an essay to disprove a sarcastic comment. You need to go outside little boy.
Wow, you really cut me deep with that one.
Writing an essay and explaining why your false equivalency is a flaming pile of shit isn't the same as trolling.
You're trolling and you suck at it. You're trying to get under my skin and get me angry, but you're failing miserably at it dude lol. So again, you suck at this. I'm 27 and grew up with the internet, you need to do better than that to make an impact lol. SJW/libtard/safe space/trigger blah blah blah, you're talking about things I find stupid as well, so again, try harder or find some other avenue.
Ah another great essay, obviously I AM getting under your skin. You just can't help but respond can you?
?? no, you aren't. It's just fun to poke holes in terrible arguments on the internet. You're really just making yourself look like an idiot... calling me a "lib" or "SJW" isn't really that insulting dude. It's like it's your first day on the internet.
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JFC, I already said I didn't bring up Trump to debate his platforms or policy proposals. First of all, I'm right and you're wrong, but that's irrelevant to point I'm trying to make.
The point I'm trying to make is this: no matter how you think his comments were meant to be construed, there are people out there who were offended, and yet, he is the Republican frontrunner, so therefore, the idea that "you can't offend people anymore" is a fallacy.
Although I don't know why I'm trying to have a conversation with you when you're just interested in trolling. I swear, sometimes when my ADD medication kicks in I get sidetracked on reddit or BBI instead of being productive with my work, lol. Can't believe I sank 15 minutes into speaking with someone as trollish as you. I gotta learn one of these days
I don't think reading or comprehension are a strong suit.
“I truly believe that it’s a generational thing where someone decided they were going to be offended today,”
“The people who are against this have come from a generation that is against everything. I think they are the people that say, ‘Let’s pick on this today.’ ”
Greivance/victimhood industry will always be busy, looking for work.
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Misquoting + projection = Lib logic
You Win!
JFC, I already said I didn't bring up Trump to debate his platforms or policy proposals. First of all, I'm right and you're wrong, but that's irrelevant to point I'm trying to make.
The point I'm trying to make is this: no matter how you think his comments were meant to be construed, there are people out there who were offended, and yet, he is the Republican frontrunner, so therefore, the idea that "you can't offend people anymore" is a fallacy.
Although I don't know why I'm trying to have a conversation with you when you're just interested in trolling. I swear, sometimes when my ADD medication kicks in I get sidetracked on reddit or BBI instead of being productive with my work, lol. Can't believe I sank 15 minutes into speaking with someone as trollish as you. I gotta learn one of these days
I'm not reading all this....
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Lord you ARE dim.
Quite possibly. But that doesn't change the point that you're ignoring the connotation. Using the term, whether for a football team or anything else, is meant to conjure an image and not one of trader.
Go back to Greg's last post. The point I made flew so far over your head that you never even detected it. How you came to the conclusion you did is incomprehensible.
Again, that's just what I've been told anecdotally by a friend who is full Navajo and lives in New Mexico in a region that is largely Indian.
The way I interpret what your Navajo friend is saying is that most Indians attitude is, essentially: "This is your problem, White people, not ours. You deal with it. And how you choose to deal with it is on you, not on us." In comparison to all of the other fucked up things we've done to Indian people and culture , this one seems trivial to many of them.
But using that piece of information as justification for perpetuating the common usage of a racial slur is also fucked up. In fact, it's an indication of just how deep our fuckeduppedness goes.
And you know what else is fucked up? The very prevalent notion in our society today that morality and ethics should be shaped by polling data.
What's more important, the quality of life of the vast majority of your own people and neighbors, or a freaking nickname?
LOL! And there it is. Took longer than I thought it would actually. The old 'Well, look at what they're doing to themselves!' misdirection play. It happens in every conversation with regards to racial issues where minorities are being treated unfairly.
Very well said Sonic. That's what's funny... some want the right to be able to offend whomever they want... but not have to deal with whatever backlash may come of it. Life usually doesn't work like that.
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Sonic, ignore the braying jackass. All he wants is the attention he isn't getting anywhere else.
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Lord you ARE dim.
Quite possibly. But that doesn't change the point that you're ignoring the connotation. Using the term, whether for a football team or anything else, is meant to conjure an image and not one of trader.
Go back to Greg's last post. The point I made flew so far over your head that you never even detected it. How you came to the conclusion you did is incomprehensible.
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Misquoting + projection = Lib logic
You Win!
JFC, I already said I didn't bring up Trump to debate his platforms or policy proposals. First of all, I'm right and you're wrong, but that's irrelevant to point I'm trying to make.
The point I'm trying to make is this: no matter how you think his comments were meant to be construed, there are people out there who were offended, and yet, he is the Republican frontrunner, so therefore, the idea that "you can't offend people anymore" is a fallacy.
Although I don't know why I'm trying to have a conversation with you when you're just interested in trolling. I swear, sometimes when my ADD medication kicks in I get sidetracked on reddit or BBI instead of being productive with my work, lol. Can't believe I sank 15 minutes into speaking with someone as trollish as you. I gotta learn one of these days
IMO, you shouldn't have brought it up at all. It's not relevant to this conversation and it is also prohibited by the rules of this forum.
Again, to be clear, no judgement in this post about his policies or statements themselves. I definitely should not have mentioned specific comments but left it in vaguer or more ambigious terms, so I apologize if it looked like I was inviting a political discussion.
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Lord you ARE dim.
Quite possibly. But that doesn't change the point that you're ignoring the connotation. Using the term, whether for a football team or anything else, is meant to conjure an image and not one of trader.
Go back to Greg's last post. The point I made flew so far over your head that you never even detected it. How you came to the conclusion you did is incomprehensible.
I understand that the name may not match up with the perception or may not apply to most Scandinavians even at that point in history, if that's your point.
You are one obtuse man, but you are probably playing an angle with your ignorance.
FWIW, he personally thinks the name is fine, although he acknowledges that there are some Indians who disagree. In case you're wondering, I use the term American Indian because both of the friends I've had who were of a tribe (this friend and another who is a Lipan Apache) preferred American Indian to Native American, although both preferred to be known as their own tribe rather than lumped into a mass category of all Indians. As one said, Apaches are no more like Comanche or Sioux than French are Germans.
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Most Indians don't give a shit one way or the other - don't love the name, don't hate it either, don't really care. Many of them roll their eyes at the idea of white people getting bent out of shape about the names of sports teams while ignoring the many very serious problems present in a lot of their communities. There is a small, noisy activist contingent that does care. Few Indians pay them much mind, either.
Again, that's just what I've been told anecdotally by a friend who is full Navajo and lives in New Mexico in a region that is largely Indian.
The way I interpret what your Navajo friend is saying is that most Indians attitude is, essentially: "This is your problem, White people, not ours. You deal with it. And how you choose to deal with it is on you, not on us." In comparison to all of the other fucked up things we've done to Indian people and culture , this one seems trivial to many of them.
But using that piece of information as justification for perpetuating the common usage of a racial slur is also fucked up. In fact, it's an indication of just how deep our fuckeduppedness goes.
And you know what else is fucked up? The very prevalent notion in our society today that morality and ethics should be shaped by polling data.
I 'm curious as to why you feel you have to "interpret" in the worst way possible, what a Navajo has said?
It's titled, "The Edge of the World: How the North Sea Made Us Who We Are," by Michael Pye.
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they went to their expensive liberal arts school
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I didn't know they let SJWs use the internet within a Safe Space?
Another stupid post. Did you just learn these terms today on urban dictionary or something? If colleges are notorious for having "safe spaces", how would you conclude that "SJWs and safe spaces don't have the internet".
I don't give a fuck about SJWs or safe spaces, I give a fuck about human decency.
I just made a scalping joke in jest in my previous post, but yeah, sjw/safespace/libtard/<insert buzzword here>
Wanna hear a joke? What time is it in India.... 7:11 on the dot. There ya go, such an SJW sheltered safe space libtard that I have no problem cracking jokes about my own heritage.
But wouldn't that joke be on someone of a different gender?
Gender. Not sure what you mean. I chose that joke because I myself am an Indian-American, if you count my families heritage (like India the country...I was born/raised in NJ though and my mom was born/raised in Staten Island)
But don't only women wear a bindi (if that's the correct word usage)? So, it's not really a joke about you.
youre correct about the bindi but mistaken overall. there are 2 dots. a bindi is more ornamental and flashy, and worn by womenas an engagement ring. the red dots that are actually a powder are used in Hindu ceremonies and go on both genders. It's really cool that you knew the name of a bindi lol. Fun fact: the same word also means "okra" in hindi
Guess I must have been reflexively ignoring him in the past. OOPS! I used a word that I must have learned at my expensive liberal arts school!
I'll take whatever I can get as far as info on Indian culture, though. I'm not overly familiar with it, but our neck of the woods has a large Indian population and both of my kids have several friends from Indian families.
Day is done,
Gone the sun,
From the lake,
From the hill,
From the sky.
All is well,
Safely rest,
God is nigh
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why change it now? I'm 76 years old and you woulda been laughed at for mentioning this in my day
This is why I keep asking my boss to install a second water fountain at the office! You get me, Zebrka. Let's go back.