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The Skins avg. 30 pts/game the last 8 & they improved it.

aceinthehouse : 5/22/2016 9:06 am
Seriously, who in the east is gonna stop it?

And they were without Jackson the 1st 6 & without Jordan reed for 2 of them.

In fact, like the Giants they were like 3rd in injuries last season as well.

Now, they've added Josh Doctson @wr
And Vernon Davis @te to boot.

I personally believe this team is on the rise and is a sleeping monster that's about to awake.

If Cousins is the real deal, neither the Cowboys, Eagles and sorry to say the Giants stand a chance.

Have you seen their offensive weapons?
If Eli had that, they would be Superbowl bound.
Yeah, but  
Mark C : 5/22/2016 9:11 am : link
their nickname is a racial slur.
You lost me at Vernon Davis.  
Giantfan in eagleland : 5/22/2016 9:13 am : link
That being said I think the skins will be our main competition for the division.
EASE UP ACE  
Still a Sam Huff fan : 5/22/2016 9:19 am : link
The Skins had a very good year. We all know that. But before you put them on a mountain for the next twenty years, consider this:
The cowboys were without their best WR and another guy. Uh... oh yeah their QB
The Giants were without their whole damned defense
The Eagles? eh

The division was weak, Ace - very weak and the Skins rose to the top. That was last year. Take a breath.
Jordan reed is very good  
est1986 : 5/22/2016 9:23 am : link
Desean Jackson hardly scares me like he once did.
Doctson is unproven & I have never been high on him. I prefer Shepard.
Vernon Davis is not nearly as effective as he was years ago.
Matt Jones is not a consistent threat, he was week to week producing.

I'll take Jennings Veeren Perkins Cruz Shepard Harris Tye Donnell and ODELL over those guys anyday.
The redskins  
TrueBlue56 : 5/22/2016 9:24 am : link
Won an extremely weak division last year. Kudos to them, but they are not a threat. Will they be competitive? Sure, every team is, but in no way am I concerned about Kirk cousins. He is a good quarterback and that is all he is and all he will ever be.

They are not the redskins under gibbs in his hey day and they are not the cowboys of the 90's.

Let them actually do something before I ever worry about what they can potentially do.
Dallas  
aceinthehouse : 5/22/2016 9:25 am : link
Seems to be the consensus pick to win the Division, but I just don't see it.

I guess they could if Romo and dez stay healthy.
But will their running emulate the 2014 season with Zeke, Morris & McFadden? I don't know..

If the Skins defense improves, it could be a long season.
They also get Junior Gallette back who was hurt before the season started.

Not to mention added Norman and Sua Cravens to it.
Also CB Fuller from draft.

I don't know man...
lol  
BleedBlue : 5/22/2016 9:30 am : link
vernon davis is washed up...
doctson is unproven
garcon is solid
jackson doesnt scare me
matt jones is a fumble machine who is highly inconsistent
their oline is okay nothing special
defensively they dont have the front 7 carolina had so who knows how norman will be
junior galette is all of a sudden a defensive savior?
fuller and cravens are rookies, we could argue we have a better pair of CB and S rookies.
i mean clearly youre a troll but your arguments are bad
And the Landover team's opponents for those last 8:  
Sarcastic Sam : 5/22/2016 9:32 am : link
The Saints, the Cowboys x 2, the Giants, the Bills, the Bears, and the Eagles. A bunch of 4-12, 6-10, 7-9 teams. And they lost to one of those 4-12 teams!

I guess that's progress?
Ive also heard  
aceinthehouse : 5/22/2016 9:35 am : link
the Skins are waiting for June 1st cuts to trim some fat,like with wr Roberts to add RB.

I'm hearing Arian Foster, Reggie Bush or Pierre Thomas to spell Matt Jones.

Don't know how true these rumors are, though.
We'll see I guess.
The Redskins have a decent team  
Mike from Ohio : 5/22/2016 9:58 am : link
But nothing more. They played in a very weak division last year.

That team has always been fascinated with guys who are well past their prime. Vernon Davis is one of them. Nobody is scared by him or the other past-prime RBs you listed.

That team will be as good as Kirk Cousins makes them. If he develops there is enough other talent for them to be good. If he doesn't they will be just another also-ran in a division full of them right now.
Washington  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/22/2016 10:09 am : link
DC has become a painful sports city since the Redskins demise in the 1980s. It's almost comical to see how the fans there get the hopes and expectations up every year only to see them crash and burn. It's almost as if they try to psych themselves up that it won't happen again. I'd be a lot more wary if I was a fan of a DC-based team before I got too giddy.
You do realize that the Giants  
Vin_Cuccs : 5/22/2016 10:10 am : link
Had more points per game, more total points, more rush yards per game, more total rush yards, more pass yards per game, more total pass yards and more points total than the Redskins?

The Giants basically beat the Redskins in every offensive statistical category.

And that is without Cruz, a right side of the offensive line, and a viable running back.

I'm not saying the Redskins will finish dead last on the east, but my point is the division is wide open. Literally and team could win it.

The Redskins did improve on offense, but I can make an argument that the Giants improved even more on defense.
Obligatory  
Sarcastic Sam : 5/22/2016 10:15 am : link
The playoff game last year will match their  
SomeFan : 5/22/2016 10:29 am : link
performance in the 2016 regular season.
They will be hard to beat in DC,  
Simms11 : 5/22/2016 10:31 am : link
but are still a big ? on the road. Cousins will be better this year in that offense and they do have nice players at skill positions, primarily on offense. If they stay healthy, they could be in the running for the Division Title. All teams in the NFC East have some very good skill position players. I think the Giants may have the most depth at those positions, at least on paper. We'll see how that looks in camp and pre-season, however. Injuries will take their toll, you can almost count on that. It's the depth, at those positions, that is will be even more crucially important IMO.
i'm just glad  
area junc : 5/22/2016 10:33 am : link
they don't have a quarterback. gruden is very good at getting quality play from an average QB (a.dalton) but cousins caps how good they can be.
It happens every spring.  
Klaatu : 5/22/2016 11:02 am : link
(Which is the title of a classic baseball movie, by the way).

Some douchebag fan of a division rival team shows up here and talks trash. This must be the third or fourth year that aceinthehouse has been that douchebag, this time around boasting about the offensive juggernaut that is the Washington Bloodthirsty Savages. Oh my! Who's going to stop them?

Puh-leeze.
The  
AcidTest : 5/22/2016 11:06 am : link
Redskins have improved. It would be disingenuous to say otherwise. There biggest improvement ironically isn’t Cousins, it’s that they now have a real GM. No more Synder and Cerrato, which is bad news for Giants fans. They also have a lot of offensive weapons, and I agree that they are the main competitor for the Giants next season. But . . .

We need to see Cousins succeed for more than one year.
Jordan Reed is an excellent player, but has a long history of concussions.
Jackson, Garcon, and Davis are aging.
Your offensive line isn’t great.
Jones needs a competent backup.
Fuller is coming off micro fracture surgery, and is a rookie.
The whole division was bad last year.

Also . . .

The Giants invented new ways to lose.
Our defense was epically bad.
We have a two time SB winning MVP QB.
We have the best WR in the division, get Cruz back, and added Shepard. Good luck covering all three.
We added key pieces in FA, especially on defense.
We were at or near the top of the league in injuries.

Questions remain, including on the right side of the OL, at TE, and at LB. But right now I think the Giants should be the favorites to win the division. It should be interesting.
The scumskins  
DJ5150 : 5/22/2016 11:17 am : link
are a bunch of cunts...fuck that shitbag team.
They diodn't beat a single team with a .500 or better record  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/22/2016 11:35 am : link
did they?
Just checked  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/22/2016 11:42 am : link
Washington didn't beat a single team with a winning record all year.

In four games against teams with winning records, Washington lost by at least two touchdowns each time. They were outscored 140-64 in total, which is an average of 35 to 16 per game.

Washington made the playoffs only to get smacked around at home in the opening round of the playoffs by a Packers team that would have gone 3-6 in their final nine weeks if not for a Hail Mary.

>sleeping monster.
I think the josh norman signing  
TrueBlue56 : 5/22/2016 11:49 am : link
Has Dan Snyder all over it. Cerrato may be gone, but Snyder can not help himself. He is a lot like jerry jones. Loves the "name" players and media attention.
Too much is made out of the weak division  
kporzee : 5/22/2016 11:57 am : link
Redskins will have a tougher schedule.

But their roster will absolutely be better. And then if Cousins continues his gains from the latter half of the year, then they are a very real team. Their pass catching group as a whole is near top of the league.

Desean, Garcon, Doctson, crowder, Jordan Reed. Niles and Paul and vern Davis also. That's a ton of guys to make Cousins look good.
I knew the Giants would be on their list of opponents in that span  
SHO'NUFF : 5/22/2016 11:58 am : link
and Jordan Reed is good...to play half the season.
I only worry about the Cowboys WITH Romo.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/22/2016 12:07 pm : link
Period.
RE: I think the josh norman signing  
kporzee : 5/22/2016 12:15 pm : link
In comment 12966870 TrueBlue56 said:
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Has Dan Snyder all over it. Cerrato may be gone, but Snyder can not help himself. He is a lot like jerry jones. Loves the "name" players and media attention.


This comment doesn't work anymore. They have a real GM now. Snyder is still around, but has nothing to do with picking the players.
Cousins  
Phil in LA : 5/22/2016 12:15 pm : link
I thought they were wise to draft him after Bob, because it was clear Bob was going to get hurt frequently. But Cousins isn't a franchise QB, and the hope here is that they do agree on a long, costly extension before they figure it out.
Completing 70%  
XBRONX : 5/22/2016 12:20 pm : link
of passes and throwing 11 INTs in over 500 passes is not franchise? Wow what is?
He's not doing it again  
Phil in LA : 5/22/2016 12:25 pm : link
And what has he won?
Look at it this way  
Phil in LA : 5/22/2016 12:31 pm : link
Cousins had his career year in a division that was so bad that two of the teams new coaches. And every other team picked in the top 10 of the draft. Our Giants had an historically bad D, and that won't happen again.
Not comparing  
XBRONX : 5/22/2016 12:37 pm : link
but what did Dan Mariro ever win?
AFC in  
Phil in LA : 5/22/2016 12:40 pm : link
His second year or so, didn't he?
Cousins  
mrvax : 5/22/2016 12:44 pm : link
had a very nice season last year. Can he continue to improve or will he be a "one hit wonder" like Nick Foles?

If Cousins repeats his 2015 performance, the Giants and Skins will have 2 epic battles this year, IMO.
RE: Completing 70%  
GmanND : 5/22/2016 12:50 pm : link
In comment 12966892 XBRONX said:
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of passes and throwing 11 INTs in over 500 passes is not franchise? Wow what is?


Nick Foles - Takes more then one season...
Phil  
XBRONX : 5/22/2016 12:51 pm : link
You are right. In his seventeen year career Marino won the AFC conference once. Wow
RE: RE: I think the josh norman signing  
TrueBlue56 : 5/22/2016 12:51 pm : link
In comment 12966888 kporzee said:
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Has Dan Snyder all over it. Cerrato may be gone, but Snyder can not help himself. He is a lot like jerry jones. Loves the "name" players and media attention.



This comment doesn't work anymore. They have a real GM now. Snyder is still around, but has nothing to do with picking the players.


If you think Dan Snyder won't stick his head in here and there every once in awhile, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Jerry jones has football people overriding him, but every once in awhile jerry jones will inject his ego and do what he wants. Same as snyder. They can not help themselves.
I agree with ace that the Skins will be a tough team this coming  
yatqb : 5/22/2016 1:13 pm : link
season. They've finally got a good GM who has made a lot of nice moves of late. And Cousins really improved as the season went on.
Right  
Glover : 5/22/2016 1:26 pm : link
definitely lost me with Vernon Davis. Matt Jones gonna be the guy for them? He like to fumble. Doctson can be very good, but not all rookies are OBJ. Takes time to learn the game, not all are break out stars.
I think Cousins is the real deal. I think Jackson is a good #1 WR. Garcon is declining. Jordan Reed is no joke, and now they have 3 TEs behind him that all can play.
the Redskins by virtue of their winning the division last season should be the favorite this season. However, the Giants defense was so bad last season, and they have more definitely improved their defense more than the Redskins have improved their offense. The Boys did not have Romo, and, well, they got Elliott. They will be back in the mix at least, or at best. Not sure about the Eagles. They dont scare me much with Matthews and Aghilor, and oh yea, Rueben Randle. A bunch of capable players, but no big time threats.
Not afraid of the Redskins, not any more than anyone else in the division. Its not like they are the Patriots, or the NFC East has 2 playoff teams like the NFC west.
RE: RE: RE: I think the josh norman signing  
kporzee : 5/22/2016 1:53 pm : link
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Has Dan Snyder all over it. Cerrato may be gone, but Snyder can not help himself. He is a lot like jerry jones. Loves the "name" players and media attention.



This comment doesn't work anymore. They have a real GM now. Snyder is still around, but has nothing to do with picking the players.



If you think Dan Snyder won't stick his head in here and there every once in awhile, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Jerry jones has football people overriding him, but every once in awhile jerry jones will inject his ego and do what he wants. Same as snyder. They can not help themselves.


You are quite wrong. Jerry Jones actually runs the football side of things. He will always be involved and it is very upfront. Snyder is only involved to the extent that when they have a serious push for a player like Norman, they set up a meeting to show the love. McCloughan runs the show as much you'd like to believe otherwise. Even Snyder lackey, Bruce Allen, is reduced to a more administrative role in the set up these days. It's just different now.
Wake me up when the Redskins beat a team that isn't a bottom feeder  
Greg from LI : 5/22/2016 2:06 pm : link
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Like I said  
TrueBlue56 : 5/22/2016 2:09 pm : link
I have a bridge to sell you. Josh Norman has Dan Snyder's name written all over it. Over rated and over priced.
Division  
UberAlias : 5/22/2016 2:30 pm : link
In comment 12966807 Eric from BBI said:
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I'd be a lot more wary if I was a fan of a DC-based team before I got too giddy.


Eric, I would say that is true of many teams (Jets for example) --and certainly true for the teams in NFC East in general. Philly fans believe it is their year every single year, as do Dallas -and in their case, as opposed to Washington's, the national media often buys into this hype, for whatever reason.

As we know, no one in the division has proven to be any more than mediocre on a consistent basis. Despite the hype, Dallas has had one winning season in the past six. ONE. Philly has won the division only twice in the past nine years, and in three out of four playoff appearances over that span, they failed to get out of the wild card round.

What any of these teams have done to deserve the benefit of the doubt, I have no freaking idea.
every NFC East team has improved  
tempit : 5/22/2016 3:17 pm : link
Giants with FA signings, hopefully with coaching changes, improved Safety play, more depth at LBers, and 2nd year in same defense

eagles defense will be better with Schwartz as DC, new offense will control time of possession to rest defensive players, with Chip Kelly gone players may respond to new Head Coach with better effort and OL help in FA.

cowboys with improved running game and Romo back is big, not so sure Bryant will be better given foot surgery and big contract affect, defense may have slow start until Gregory and Lawrence come back from suspension but Marinelli gets it done with average players.

Washington will be better with RGIII distractions removed, another good draft and defense will be better with a few 2nd year players moving into lineup and improved secondary.

no way to predict injury to each team -- but every team has a shot to win the NFC East.
RE: Obligatory  
shabu : 5/22/2016 3:47 pm : link
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Sad thing is, Giants fit that category this year. Lets hope the FAs they signed work out and don't become overpaid JAGs.
Very misleading title  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/22/2016 4:44 pm : link
They hung 47 points on the Saints in game 11. And that totally puts gheir scoring avg out of wack. They followed that up with 2 sub 20 scores. Their last three games were Bills, Cowboys, eagles.

The bills suckes last year. Cowboys had no defense. The eagles had packed it in and knew kelly was out. I wouldn't ake anything the skins did in those games as indicative of anything.

Also the giants defense is vastly improved going into this season. While i dont like taking anything for granted the scoring of those games means nothing
It's always good to get a visit from ...  
Boy Cord : 5/22/2016 4:57 pm : link
... Asstomouth. Dan Snyder mouthpiece. This year will mark a quarter century since the last year DC accomplished anything. If you're a DC fan 30 and under you may as well have been rooting for the Browns all of these years.
RE: Like I said  
kporzee : 5/22/2016 8:11 pm : link
In comment 12966970 TrueBlue56 said:
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I have a bridge to sell you. Josh Norman has Dan Snyder's name written all over it. Over rated and over priced.


Happy to buy a bridge from you, I'm sure I'll get get a good deal.

To be clear, you can call Norman Overrated and overpaid. That still doesn't mean Snyder signed him. I suppose you can keep clinging to those old narratives though if it helps you.
RE: every NFC East team has improved  
NINEster : 5/23/2016 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12967035 tempit said:
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no way to predict injury to each team -- but every team has a shot to win the NFC East.


As a football fan, this is what I like to see. I have no dog in the NFC East battles, and like that Washington contributes to division a hell of a lot more than they used too.

BTW, Vernon Davis can still block like an animal in the run game. This is why he was signed.

I think that back injury he suffered in 2014 might have gotten to him the way it got to JPP. It affects the body in ways that are hard to comprehend, but enough that it limits your greatness even if you have the power and speed from before.

Vernon can still fly in a foot race. Still probably the fastest straight line TE in the league based on some clockings from last season. Was a two time 13 TD reception per season guy with stiff hips, stone hands and average route running ability.

Could be a little mental too, but doing nothing in Denver shows it wasn't just being frustrated in SF.

Let's see how he does "back home".

When Giants fans..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/23/2016 1:02 pm : link
talked about offensive output and looking ahead, they were told "You haven't beaten a team with a winning record in ages".

When Redskins fans talk about this BBI says "You're right - those Redskins are damn impressive.........."
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think the josh norman signing  
fanatic II : 5/24/2016 8:56 am : link
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Has Dan Snyder all over it. Cerrato may be gone, but Snyder can not help himself. He is a lot like jerry jones. Loves the "name" players and media attention.



This comment doesn't work anymore. They have a real GM now. Snyder is still around, but has nothing to do with picking the players.



If you think Dan Snyder won't stick his head in here and there every once in awhile, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Jerry jones has football people overriding him, but every once in awhile jerry jones will inject his ego and do what he wants. Same as snyder. They can not help themselves.



You are quite wrong. Jerry Jones actually runs the football side of things. He will always be involved and it is very upfront. Snyder is only involved to the extent that when they have a serious push for a player like Norman, they set up a meeting to show the love. McCloughan runs the show as much you'd like to believe otherwise. Even Snyder lackey, Bruce Allen, is reduced to a more administrative role in the set up these days. It's just different now.


There has been a transition that has been happening for the last four years. Stephen Jones has actually been running the football operations. You can look at free agency as the first clue. Stephen has been saying that "you don't build a team through free agency, you only overpay for players through free agency". Dallas has been very thrifty and bargain hunters. The last high priced free agent Dallas has signed was Brandon Carr and that was four years ago.

During the draft it has been Will McClay that has the most input. Now, Jerry has the final decision, but he has been listening to Stephen and Will more and more. This has resulted in Dallas having unspectacular, but solid drafts.

The area that Jerry is still front and center is in the branding and marketing of Dallas. In the marketing arena Jerry has no equals in the NFL. Look at the new Dallas headquarters being built in Frisco. When completed the complex will be the standard in the NFL and will push the Dallas brand to even higher levels.

The organizational setup right now is perfect. Stephen runs the team(GM without the title), McClay director of scouting, and Jerry runs marketing.
so now there's a Cowboys troll here too  
Greg from LI : 5/24/2016 9:12 am : link
Swell
RE: so now there's a Cowboys troll here too  
fanatic II : 5/24/2016 9:19 am : link
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Didn't realize providing information was trolling.
RE: so now there's a Cowboys troll here too  
dep026 : 5/24/2016 9:25 am : link
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According to him, Romo lack of success was because of lack of talent.
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fanatic II : 5/24/2016 9:49 am : link
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According to him, Romo lack of success was because of lack of talent.


Your dead wrong, I have never said this.

What I have said is that the defensive side of the ball has not performed good enough to help Dallas be more successful.

You then counter with "names" of Dallas players on defense and how they have had talent. Like I've previously posted Romo, has received the least amount of support from his defense then any other QB.

Last year NY lost games at the end because of their defense, not offense. What happened to Manning last year has been happening to Romo during his tenure as the starting QB for Dallas.

For you it's more convenient to blame Romo than to actually look for the root causes.
I'm sure there's a Cowboys board that will actually give a shit  
Greg from LI : 5/24/2016 9:51 am : link
about any of that.
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dep026 : 5/24/2016 9:56 am : link
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According to him, Romo lack of success was because of lack of talent.



Your dead wrong, I have never said this.

What I have said is that the defensive side of the ball has not performed good enough to help Dallas be more successful.

You then counter with "names" of Dallas players on defense and how they have had talent. Like I've previously posted Romo, has received the least amount of support from his defense then any other QB.

Last year NY lost games at the end because of their defense, not offense. What happened to Manning last year has been happening to Romo during his tenure as the starting QB for Dallas.

For you it's more convenient to blame Romo than to actually look for the root causes.


Dallas has had plenty of enough good defenses to win playoff games. Or hell, even get into the playoffs. Their offense has scored an averaged of 15 PPG in their losses.

For the majority of his career, Dallas defense has ranked some where near 15th in PPG on defense. In 2009, they had the 2nd rated defense in the NFL. Sometimes its tough overcoming some of the most Ill-advised INTs in course of history.
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