So, BBB informs us there are 3 pretty big reveals for book readers. Really looking forward to the episode. I have seen no hints so my guesses are probably wildly inaccurate but...
1. We know the white walkers are part of the show so I guess we get confirmation that the head guy is the night's king. Bonus reveal, he was a Stark.
2. There was actually a Northern Conspiracy against the mad king
3. We find out who the son's of the harpy leader is, but for the life of me I can't figure out who it would be based on the show.
Purely guesses based on the HBO preview from last week so these aren't spoilers.
Okay. I'll just post the link. Even if it says spoilers on the thread, I want people to have a second chance to turn away.
A Redditor's revelation of the leaked episode. SPOILERS - ( New Window )
Yeah Andy.
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Yeah Andy.
Fuckin Canadjiens..
Absolutely.
Nymeria best show up and wreck shit at some point.
Nymeria best show up and wreck shit at some point.
A Nymeria/Ghost reunion as they corner Ramsay? Sign me up!
Mad King heard Voices.
When you think about all the pointless red herrings he created to cover his tracks, you can begin to understand why he lost his interest in writing them. I mean, who gives a shit about Victarion or Jon Connington or Quentyn Martell when they play no role in the real story?
Why did Sansa lie to Jon?
What was Littlefinger trying to imply by "reminding" Sansa that Jon is her half brother? At first you wouldmthinkmthere as additional conversation between the two that we didn't see but that doesn't explain why Brienne is in the dark about the lie.
It all leaves me wondering how much Sansa really has (or hasn't) changed from the spoiled, Jon hating brat of a child she was. Or I'm completely wrong and it's for some selfless reason, perhaps something to protect Jon? Totally lost on that but very interested
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Incredible reveal, but wait a second...Martin has had this much of the story fleshed out from day 1 and he can't finish these last 2 books? WTF man...
When you think about all the pointless red herrings he created to cover his tracks, you can begin to understand why he lost his interest in writing them. I mean, who gives a shit about Victarion or Jon Connington or Quentyn Martell when they play no role in the real story?
Yeah, great point and it's kind of becoming frustrating now, all the time and pages wasted on people and events that will lead to nothing. It's pretty obvious "Young Griff" isn't Aegon, Connington means nothing, and it was all just an attempt at keeping Tyrion's pilgrimage east interesting. And a failed one at that.
mainly because they hate the Lannisters. otherwise not much, but revenge is a good motivator and it could come down to Dorne picking sides.
I think Sansa lied about the Raven because maybe she didn't think Jon would trust Littlefinger's information.
I think he mentioned "half-brother" because you know Littlefinger, he's a motivator, he probably feels like Jon Snow from Castle Black isn't going to galvinize the north, but Sansa Stark, bearing the Stark name, might be able to.
just my opinions about those things, I'll have to read blogs to figure out what I just saw. LOL.
ToJ reveal is most likely in S6 E10, per a pretty well-documented slip by the actor who plays Young Ned. The other possibility is that ToJ comes sooner, and there's another Young Ned reveal in E10 - Sunspear/Ashara? Harrenhal? Ned's Temptation after Aerys's death? I think ToJ is a big enough event to wrap that plot line for the season.
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and all things Dorne. I can't think of a single reason why the entire region is relevant.
mainly because they hate the Lannisters. otherwise not much, but revenge is a good motivator and it could come down to Dorne picking sides.
I think Sansa lied about the Raven because maybe she didn't think Jon would trust Littlefinger's information.
I think he mentioned "half-brother" because you know Littlefinger, he's a motivator, he probably feels like Jon Snow from Castle Black isn't going to galvinize the north, but Sansa Stark, bearing the Stark name, might be able to.
just my opinions about those things, I'll have to read blogs to figure out what I just saw. LOL.
Some people picked up on it, poijt d out that Sansa was very specific in choosing her words when talking with Littlefinger, and was implying that she's got a flayed bun in her oven.
Why did Sansa lie to Jon?
What was Littlefinger trying to imply by "reminding" Sansa that Jon is her half brother? At first you wouldmthinkmthere as additional conversation between the two that we didn't see but that doesn't explain why Brienne is in the dark about the lie.
It all leaves me wondering how much Sansa really has (or hasn't) changed from the spoiled, Jon hating brat of a child she was. Or I'm completely wrong and it's for some selfless reason, perhaps something to protect Jon? Totally lost on that but very interested
My first thoughts are that she lied to Jon because if Davos, Tormund and Jon learn of Littlefinger and his Vale army, and his willingness to join up, they would bring Littlefinger into this now, while Sansa still hates the man.
I think Littlefinger dropped the half-brother thing presumably because he knows how Cat felt about Jon. Sansa is her mother's daughter and took after Cat in her treatment of Jon somewhat. I remember she was not hateful but rather dismissive of him. So in one swoop, Littlefinger gave Sansa hope by informing her of her Uncle Bryden's success at Riverrun, and he also plants the seeds of doubt over Jon. Sansa is the rightful Queen of Winterfell, however Davos and the like keep talking about an army to follow Jon.
Or maybe just flayed buns.
Wonder if that's any kinda foreshadowing about the Bolton's based on what we suspect as given about Jon...
I absolutely believe Robb legitimized Jon in his will, but I have a hard time believing the other houses, particularly the Karstarks, have imbedded themselves with the Boltons for the purpose of naming Jon King in the North. But who the hell knows at this point. It's been a wild, wild season...
I want to see Lord Too-Fat-to-Sit-a-Horse. That Frey Pies thing really stuck with me. And I want this guy to play him.
Look at all those chins.
"We had this meeting with George Martin where we're trying to get as much information as possible out of him, and probably the most shocking revelation he had for us was when he told us the origin of Hodor and how that name came about," said Benioff. "I just remember Dan and I looking at each other when he said that and just being like, 'Holy s--t.'"
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Meribald would be a waste for the guy who played Al Swearengen. Randyll Tarly could be a fit, but McShane would still be way overkill for the role the character has in the book. I mean, couldn't they find anyone to be an angry prick who hates his fat son?
And pussy's half price, next 15 minutes!
Yeah - unless he's messing with book readers in a pretty elaborate way, he's Meribald and his main function is to set up CleganeBowl.
In turn, that suggests that either Cersei will have a trial (by combat, with the undead brothers as champions) or the undead Hound will confront the undead Mountain in the context of a bigger battle. The first scenario has been popular with readers and viewers for years, but the second is starting to look plausible.
Things are lining up for the Knights of the Vale to save Sansa's bacon, even after she rejected their help because of a previous betrayal.
1 - origin of WW
2 - Hodor
3 - ...?
Like, why not go back and do something useful ? Stop the children of the forest from creating the white walkers maybe? Stop Ned from being killed? Nah I got it...lets go back and make Wylis special-needs!
It's just kinda weak. Maybe ties into the new red priestesses "everything happens for a reason" speech, but I dunno. Don't like it, so far.
Another gripe - there were about 20 dragonglass spears leaning against the cave entrance wall, why not use more of those i.e. take a shot or 5 at the Night's King with em....nah lets just self-detonate our nature-bombs while we suicide by wight squad.
People seem to be loving this scene / episode, but I thought it was weak and frustrating in practically every story arc shown, and a step back from what has otherwise been a very cool and rewarding season.