Anyone else think the timeline below is close to what's occurring in the story-line? Toughest thing to match-up was when Jon was killed in comparison on when Stannis and Bolton armies went to battle.
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Let's say for the fun of putting these timelines together, here is my theory....
1 month ago
- Battle between Bolton's army and Stannis's.
- Theon and Sansa jump the wall and travel north.
- Melisandre wasn't allowed to travel with Stannis into battle, so she was camped further north of Winderfell and the battlefields. Let's say once learning of Stannis's defeat, she traveled to the wall which takes her 3 weeks.
- Littlefinger gets word from one of his spies that Sansa has fled and makes his way to the Vale.
3 weeks ago
- Theon and Sansa are still on the run but Ramsey's men are closing in.
- Brienne saves them both and Sansa continues to go north with Brienne and Podrick to reunite with Jon.
- Theon at this time parts way with Sansa and heads off to the Iron Islands.
- Ramsey kills his father and takes over as the title of Warren of the North\Lord of Winterfell.
-Little Finger arrives at the Vale and convinces Robin to send his Vale army to protect his cousin Sansa.
1 week ago
- After Rooses death, different northan houses pledge allegence to Ramsey. Lord Umber offers Rickon Stark, Osha and Shaggy's head as gifts.
- Melisandre arrives at the Wall with news Stannis lost against the Boltons and her faith shaken
- That same night, Jon gets stabbed. His friends defend his body for a day from Alliser and the other traitors. Wildlings arrive that night to restore order. Davos convinces Melisandre to bring Jon back from the dead. Estimate Jon was dead for 3 days till he was bought back.
- Theon arrives at the Iron Islands and learns of his fathers recent death. He also gives his support to his sister Yara to succeed him as Queen.
- Littlefinger and the Vale army arrive at Moat Cailin where they take control and setup camp
Current
- Sansa, Brienne and Pod arrive at the wall, where she gets reunited with Jon....who himself has only been bought back to life a few days ago and still deciding where to leave too as he can't trust the Knights Watch after they killed him.
- Littlefinger gets the message to Sansa to meet at a location close between the wall and Moat Cailin.
- Jon and Sansa gets the message from Ramsey that he's holding Rickon as a prisoner and wants Sansa back.
- Week after their fathers death, the Iron Islands hold a kingsmoot to decide their new king. Yara makes a case and Theon gives her his support. Their uncle Euron arrives and convinces them to elect him as king and build him 1000 ships to bring Dany's army and dragons to Westros. Where the Iron born will then be able to plunder, loot and take revenge on all their enemies while Dany's army takes over all.
Roughly give or take some time here and there to accurately account for the distances traveled but that should be a solid timeline.....in my opinion. =)
...has been ignominious deaths for noble characters. Hodor is one of the few to die nobly, joining other humble players like Syrio, Yoren and Jojen, who also gave their lives protecting a wolf pup. Tying the end to his one-word vocabulary was a bittersweet bonus. I give Hodor's death a big thumbs-up, although the zombie apocalypse aspect is a bit cheesy.
Don't forget Sir Barristan and Gren (that dude held the gate against a friggen Giant) Plus that wildling lady at Hardhome who refused to get in a boat when the attack started.
RE: RE: One of the hallmarks of A Song of Ice and Fire...
...has been ignominious deaths for noble characters. Hodor is one of the few to die nobly, joining other humble players like Syrio, Yoren and Jojen, who also gave their lives protecting a wolf pup. Tying the end to his one-word vocabulary was a bittersweet bonus. I give Hodor's death a big thumbs-up, although the zombie apocalypse aspect is a bit cheesy.
Don't forget Sir Barristan and Gren (that dude held the gate against a friggen Giant) Plus that wildling lady at Hardhome who refused to get in a boat when the attack started.
Never mind. I probably should have actually read the post before replying. :/
My guess is he ends up looking for a cure in the place that Sam is heading, since its where the the largest library is and is where all the maesters study.
That could set up an interesting information exchange between he and Sam. Sam knows of Shireen's cured greyscale. Plus, you know, all the White Walker stuff that could interest Danaerys.
Or he could just die along the way and we never hear from him again.
My guess is he ends up looking for a cure in the place that Sam is heading, since its where the the largest library is and is where all the maesters study.
That could set up an interesting information exchange between he and Sam. Sam knows of Shireen's cured greyscale. Plus, you know, all the White Walker stuff that could interest Danaerys.
Or he could just die along the way and we never hear from him again.
Sam is going to Old Town which is still in Westeros. Jorah would have to cross the sea to link of with Sam. I guess its possible, but the travel alone would likely take too long and would die from the greyscale. Who knows though.
My guess is he ends up looking for a cure in the place that Sam is heading, since its where the the largest library is and is where all the maesters study.
That could set up an interesting information exchange between he and Sam. Sam knows of Shireen's cured greyscale. Plus, you know, all the White Walker stuff that could interest Danaerys.
Or he could just die along the way and we never hear from him again.
Sam is going to Old Town which is still in Westeros. Jorah would have to cross the sea to link of with Sam. I guess its possible, but the travel alone would likely take too long and would die from the greyscale. Who knows though.
So what your saying is, he'll get there next episode?
He was there when the Three Eyed Raven died (killed by the White walkers)in the tree. Touching the Warewood tree was his conection to the Raven and the warging seeing though the trees and learning the past.
. Thats why Hodor as Willis saw him in the past. Then Bran Wargs into both Hodors establishing a link to the future and him Holding the Door.
When we see Bran he is still in Warg stag and had to be dragged away. Hodor Dies so Bran feels that and is still stuck in the past. One Hodor dies the other goes conniptions fit.
Bran is still in the past and the only way he has left to get back to this time is to warg into someone from that time that is still around? This is Where Benjen Stark comes into play. Its Brans only way back. Benjen has to reappear or Bran is fucked.
None of this is in the books just me thinking out loud.
Or perhaps he just hangs out as a ghost until later on in his (time ghost) life and then contacts his younger (non-time ghost) self. THREE EYED RAVEN = BRAN STUCK IN TIME.
didn't burn the fleet at Mereen after all. From the little I know about this Euron character that seems like the kind of thing he would try to pull off. If he knew Dany was in Mereen, he had to of known she already had access to a fleet of ships. Plus he conveniently shows up at Pike to make his power play shortly after Dany's fleet burns.
Also, if Yara is going to try and steal Euron's plan, cause what else is she going to do?, I bet Danaerys will be more trusting to a powerful female ship captain than and arrogant man trying to force negotiations with her.
Is it possible that the Night's King is a Stark (possibly that first white walker shown created this week). Then as a Stark, has the ability to warg like Bran and Three Eyed Raven had?
Maybe this is why the Night's King was able to see Bran in his vision, because he has that same ability. Plus it would explain how on a more powerful amped up level, he can warg the dead. Kill the Night's King and the undead army goes down.
Plus if the Night's King has that same ability as 3ERaven and Bran to see the past and future, maybe that's why he want Bran so badly. He knows how powerful Bran is and if he can covert him into a White Walker, his army would be almost unstoppable in the coming war down south.
didn't burn the fleet at Mereen after all. From the little I know about this Euron character that seems like the kind of thing he would try to pull off. If he knew Dany was in Mereen, he had to of known she already had access to a fleet of ships. Plus he conveniently shows up at Pike to make his power play shortly after Dany's fleet burns.
Also, if Yara is going to try and steal Euron's plan, cause what else is she going to do?, I bet Danaerys will be more trusting to a powerful female ship captain than and arrogant man trying to force negotiations with her.
I think it makes sense that the Harpies were not responsible for burning the fleet as they just want her to leave. It's counterproductive. Not sure I buy Euron being behind it though. But its a good theory.
Is it possible that the Night's King is a Stark (possibly that first white walker shown created this week). Then as a Stark, has the ability to warg like Bran and Three Eyed Raven had?
Maybe this is why the Night's King was able to see Bran in his vision, because he has that same ability. Plus it would explain how on a more powerful amped up level, he can warg the dead. Kill the Night's King and the undead army goes down.
Plus if the Night's King has that same ability as 3ERaven and Bran to see the past and future, maybe that's why he want Bran so badly. He knows how powerful Bran is and if he can covert him into a White Walker, his army would be almost unstoppable in the coming war down south.
I posted a similar theory over on the book thread. But if raising the dead really is just the WW warging into corpses perhaps that's something Bran could key into.
About the murder of Joffery from Loris? They beat him down I wouldn't be surprised if he tells them. He and Margery are very close I would imagine she told him. With the Tyrell Army in town it could mean a coup and overthrow of the Lanisters. The Sparow and Queen of Thorns is quite a paring. Or Cersi knows though Tommen talking to the King and we are going to have a big double cross. We have no idea where the Lanister Army is.
About the murder of Joffery from Loris? They beat him down I wouldn't be surprised if he tells them. He and Margery are very close I would imagine she told him. With the Tyrell Army in town it could mean a coup and overthrow of the Lanisters. The Sparow and Queen of Thorns is quite a paring. Or Cersi knows though Tommen talking to the King and we are going to have a big double cross. We have no idea where the Lanister Army is.
I suppose Kevan is leading the Lannister Army, not Cersei
weird linking of the first WW to an existing character or bloodline. Just makes things to far out there and would make everything else going on so unimportant.
Just make the guy a JAG, and move the focus of the show back to Kings Landing and Dany's trek back to Westeros. The Wall stuff is cool, but it also has the potential to just be too SciFi and ruin the other story lines.
weird linking of the first WW to an existing character or bloodline. Just makes things to far out there and would make everything else going on so unimportant.
Just make the guy a JAG, and move the focus of the show back to Kings Landing and Dany's trek back to Westeros. The Wall stuff is cool, but it also has the potential to just be too SciFi and ruin the other story lines.
Why in the world would the Night's King be JAG? What a pointless villain that would make. I'd be shocked if it wasn't Stark related.
I generally like your feedback and opinions on things but you always give off this sense like if a show or movie goes in direction a, b, c it'll be ruined for you. Keep an open mind, cause the show is definitely going further into magical, spiritual and "sci-fi" places.
Why would TNK's ability to warg suggest that he is a Stark?
Not a book reader myself but it's been mentioned on these "non-spoiler" threads before that Jon Snow always wargs into Ghost mostly when he's sleeping, so he really doesn't know he has that ability. Not sure if any other Stark kids in the books exhibited this ability or not.
Other people have shown the ability to warg but not to the level Starks like Bran, 3ERaven (future Bran?) or even the NK who might be a bloodline from the Starks ancestors.
Is it possible that the Night's King is a Stark (possibly that first white walker shown created this week). Then as a Stark, has the ability to warg like Bran and Three Eyed Raven had?
Maybe this is why the Night's King was able to see Bran in his vision, because he has that same ability. Plus it would explain how on a more powerful amped up level, he can warg the dead. Kill the Night's King and the undead army goes down.
Plus if the Night's King has that same ability as 3ERaven and Bran to see the past and future, maybe that's why he want Bran so badly. He knows how powerful Bran is and if he can covert him into a White Walker, his army would be almost unstoppable in the coming war down south.
I posted a similar theory over on the book thread. But if raising the dead really is just the WW warging into corpses perhaps that's something Bran could key into.
That'd be cool Peter. Everyone guesses in the end Bran will warg into one of the dragons, I think that's too easy and Bran has a bigger fate to the end story-line. I think the final battle Bran will go toe to toe with the Night's King waring corpses to battle each other.
Which in turn gives the other players in this game a fighting chance with the Dragons with Dany, Tyrion and Jon each riding one dragon apiece.
Why would TNK's ability to warg suggest that he is a Stark?
Not a book reader myself but it's been mentioned on these "non-spoiler" threads before that Jon Snow always wargs into Ghost mostly when he's sleeping, so he really doesn't know he has that ability. Not sure if any other Stark kids in the books exhibited this ability or not.
Other people have shown the ability to warg but not to the level Starks like Bran, 3ERaven (future Bran?) or even the NK who might be a bloodline from the Starks ancestors.
How do we know the wildling who warged (Orell) doesn't do it to the level of Bran?
Also, while it may have been mentioned in these threads, has there been any reference in any of the shows that Jon Snow wargs into Ghost? I can't recall anything close to that happening, so it's disappointing to see people discuss that on this thread.
The only wargs we have seen in the show are Orell, Bran, and a Thenn.
There are a million theories out there and some are bound to have correct guesses, but I just don't see anything to suggest that the Night King potentially being able to warg (not even definite) suggests that he is a Stark
other "Others" look exactly the same? Long white hair + beard look. Yet the Night's King has a very different look to him, even beyond the ice crown.
Also, do you guys think we're completely done with "The Children"? That one lead Children-girl helping Meera was still alive after being stabbed dozens of times. It looked like a suicide bomb that she set off, but maybe she's immortal?
The Children are the ones who created the White Walkers, and now we're done with them? Doesn't seem right.
Why would TNK's ability to warg suggest that he is a Stark?
There are a million theories out there and some are bound to have correct guesses, but I just don't see anything to suggest that the Night King potentially being able to warg (not even definite) suggests that he is a Stark
Dude he saw and touched Bran when he was in the past. That's more than just seeing through animals. That's on the 3eravens level.
warg- the ability to enter the minds of animals and control the animals with their POV.
greensight: psychic ability to have visions of the past or future while in a dream state.
Bran is special in that he has both abilities.
The Night King has a lot of different abilities that we already know about, but that the Night King saw Bran and touched in Bran's vision doesn't mean that he is a warg, nor that he has greensight.
Above all, it certainly doesn't suggest in any way that he is a Stark.
he is The Night King and clearly has powers (he can raise turn babies into wights by touching them, he can cause earthquakes of sorts, he can raise an army of wights by picking up his arms, he can shatter weapons, etc.).
Maybe he's a warg. Maybe he has greensight. We don't know that, though. Also, we have no reason to think the Three Eyed Raven is a Stark, either.
is airing this weekend. Usually GoT doesn't air new on memorial day weekend (at least from my recollection), but they've changed the practice this year. Nice!
weird linking of the first WW to an existing character or bloodline. Just makes things to far out there and would make everything else going on so unimportant.
Just make the guy a JAG, and move the focus of the show back to Kings Landing and Dany's trek back to Westeros. The Wall stuff is cool, but it also has the potential to just be too SciFi and ruin the other story lines.
Why in the world would the Night's King be JAG? What a pointless villain that would make. I'd be shocked if it wasn't Stark related.
I generally like your feedback and opinions on things but you always give off this sense like if a show or movie goes in direction a, b, c it'll be ruined for you. Keep an open mind, cause the show is definitely going further into magical, spiritual and "sci-fi" places.
Maybe JAG is a bit extreme but I really hope it isn't a current Stark that's alive. Stark ancestor, fine, I can live with that.
I'm completely open minded, i've read every book and enjoy them immensely. I'm hoping the rest of the story doesn't dive completely off the cliffs I guess.
Questions about Bran, 3ERaven and the Night's King
We know while 3ERaven and Bran were in that magical tree, they were warded and magically protected from the Night's King knowing where they were located. The Night's King only found out their location by touched Bran during one of his visions.
Question, at the end of Season 4, when Bran was first seeking the 3ERaven, before they entered the tree they had to get past a mine field of zombies. Who put those zombies there? Did the Night's King always know of the location and placed his un-dead soldiers at the base of the three to prevent 3ERaven from ever getting assistance from the outside?
Plus if those zombies at the base of the tree in season 4 were place there by the Night's King, wouldn't he already know where Bran was by controlling and re-animating those zombies there? The minute Bran stepped into that tree and was magically protected, the Night's King should have known and camped close by waiting for an opening to get to them.
Unless the Night's King can also greensight (visions of past and future) and had already seen in a vision that Bran would make that mistake and get marked, which would explain why they got there so fast and were waiting for them.
especially sitting outside the current power structure, looking in.
I suspect that the Sparrow told Tommen about his brother (extracted through Loras), he told his mother (which the Sparrow knew he would), and tempered with Jaime's patience versus her impetuousness this is a 'get the Tyrells killed' planned double cross.
especially sitting outside the current power structure, looking in.
I suspect that the Sparrow told Tommen about his brother (extracted through Loras), he told his mother (which the Sparrow knew he would), and tempered with Jaime's patience versus her impetuousness this is a 'get the Tyrells killed' planned double cross.
Let's say for the fun of putting these timelines together, here is my theory....
1 month ago
- Battle between Bolton's army and Stannis's.
- Theon and Sansa jump the wall and travel north.
- Melisandre wasn't allowed to travel with Stannis into battle, so she was camped further north of Winderfell and the battlefields. Let's say once learning of Stannis's defeat, she traveled to the wall which takes her 3 weeks.
- Littlefinger gets word from one of his spies that Sansa has fled and makes his way to the Vale.
3 weeks ago
- Theon and Sansa are still on the run but Ramsey's men are closing in.
- Brienne saves them both and Sansa continues to go north with Brienne and Podrick to reunite with Jon.
- Theon at this time parts way with Sansa and heads off to the Iron Islands.
- Ramsey kills his father and takes over as the title of Warren of the North\Lord of Winterfell.
-Little Finger arrives at the Vale and convinces Robin to send his Vale army to protect his cousin Sansa.
1 week ago
- After Rooses death, different northan houses pledge allegence to Ramsey. Lord Umber offers Rickon Stark, Osha and Shaggy's head as gifts.
- Melisandre arrives at the Wall with news Stannis lost against the Boltons and her faith shaken
- That same night, Jon gets stabbed. His friends defend his body for a day from Alliser and the other traitors. Wildlings arrive that night to restore order. Davos convinces Melisandre to bring Jon back from the dead. Estimate Jon was dead for 3 days till he was bought back.
- Theon arrives at the Iron Islands and learns of his fathers recent death. He also gives his support to his sister Yara to succeed him as Queen.
- Littlefinger and the Vale army arrive at Moat Cailin where they take control and setup camp
Current
- Sansa, Brienne and Pod arrive at the wall, where she gets reunited with Jon....who himself has only been bought back to life a few days ago and still deciding where to leave too as he can't trust the Knights Watch after they killed him.
- Littlefinger gets the message to Sansa to meet at a location close between the wall and Moat Cailin.
- Jon and Sansa gets the message from Ramsey that he's holding Rickon as a prisoner and wants Sansa back.
- Week after their fathers death, the Iron Islands hold a kingsmoot to decide their new king. Yara makes a case and Theon gives her his support. Their uncle Euron arrives and convinces them to elect him as king and build him 1000 ships to bring Dany's army and dragons to Westros. Where the Iron born will then be able to plunder, loot and take revenge on all their enemies while Dany's army takes over all.
Roughly give or take some time here and there to accurately account for the distances traveled but that should be a solid timeline.....in my opinion. =)
The Hound vs Zombie Mountain is the grudge match all of Westeros is waiting for. The PPV revenue would be through the roof.
Don't forget Sir Barristan and Gren (that dude held the gate against a friggen Giant) Plus that wildling lady at Hardhome who refused to get in a boat when the attack started.
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...has been ignominious deaths for noble characters. Hodor is one of the few to die nobly, joining other humble players like Syrio, Yoren and Jojen, who also gave their lives protecting a wolf pup. Tying the end to his one-word vocabulary was a bittersweet bonus. I give Hodor's death a big thumbs-up, although the zombie apocalypse aspect is a bit cheesy.
Don't forget Sir Barristan and Gren (that dude held the gate against a friggen Giant) Plus that wildling lady at Hardhome who refused to get in a boat when the attack started.
Never mind. I probably should have actually read the post before replying. :/
Who is Benjen? I know he is a Stark uncle, but when have we seen him?
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Benjen next week.
Who is Benjen? I know he is a Stark uncle, but when have we seen him?
Season one. He is the one who Jon talked to about joining the NIghts Watch. He went out on a mission and disappeared.
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Benjen next week.
Who is Benjen? I know he is a Stark uncle, but when have we seen him?
When everyone went north of the Wall, I believe it was a rescue mission for Benjen.
That could set up an interesting information exchange between he and Sam. Sam knows of Shireen's cured greyscale. Plus, you know, all the White Walker stuff that could interest Danaerys.
Or he could just die along the way and we never hear from him again.
That could set up an interesting information exchange between he and Sam. Sam knows of Shireen's cured greyscale. Plus, you know, all the White Walker stuff that could interest Danaerys.
Or he could just die along the way and we never hear from him again.
Sam is going to Old Town which is still in Westeros. Jorah would have to cross the sea to link of with Sam. I guess its possible, but the travel alone would likely take too long and would die from the greyscale. Who knows though.
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My guess is he ends up looking for a cure in the place that Sam is heading, since its where the the largest library is and is where all the maesters study.
That could set up an interesting information exchange between he and Sam. Sam knows of Shireen's cured greyscale. Plus, you know, all the White Walker stuff that could interest Danaerys.
Or he could just die along the way and we never hear from him again.
Sam is going to Old Town which is still in Westeros. Jorah would have to cross the sea to link of with Sam. I guess its possible, but the travel alone would likely take too long and would die from the greyscale. Who knows though.
So what your saying is, he'll get there next episode?
He was there when the Three Eyed Raven died (killed by the White walkers)in the tree. Touching the Warewood tree was his conection to the Raven and the warging seeing though the trees and learning the past.
. Thats why Hodor as Willis saw him in the past. Then Bran Wargs into both Hodors establishing a link to the future and him Holding the Door.
When we see Bran he is still in Warg stag and had to be dragged away. Hodor Dies so Bran feels that and is still stuck in the past. One Hodor dies the other goes conniptions fit.
Bran is still in the past and the only way he has left to get back to this time is to warg into someone from that time that is still around? This is Where Benjen Stark comes into play. Its Brans only way back. Benjen has to reappear or Bran is fucked.
None of this is in the books just me thinking out loud.
Also, if Yara is going to try and steal Euron's plan, cause what else is she going to do?, I bet Danaerys will be more trusting to a powerful female ship captain than and arrogant man trying to force negotiations with her.
Maybe this is why the Night's King was able to see Bran in his vision, because he has that same ability. Plus it would explain how on a more powerful amped up level, he can warg the dead. Kill the Night's King and the undead army goes down.
Plus if the Night's King has that same ability as 3ERaven and Bran to see the past and future, maybe that's why he want Bran so badly. He knows how powerful Bran is and if he can covert him into a White Walker, his army would be almost unstoppable in the coming war down south.
Also, if Yara is going to try and steal Euron's plan, cause what else is she going to do?, I bet Danaerys will be more trusting to a powerful female ship captain than and arrogant man trying to force negotiations with her.
I think it makes sense that the Harpies were not responsible for burning the fleet as they just want her to leave. It's counterproductive. Not sure I buy Euron being behind it though. But its a good theory.
Maybe this is why the Night's King was able to see Bran in his vision, because he has that same ability. Plus it would explain how on a more powerful amped up level, he can warg the dead. Kill the Night's King and the undead army goes down.
Plus if the Night's King has that same ability as 3ERaven and Bran to see the past and future, maybe that's why he want Bran so badly. He knows how powerful Bran is and if he can covert him into a White Walker, his army would be almost unstoppable in the coming war down south.
I posted a similar theory over on the book thread. But if raising the dead really is just the WW warging into corpses perhaps that's something Bran could key into.
I suppose Kevan is leading the Lannister Army, not Cersei
Just make the guy a JAG, and move the focus of the show back to Kings Landing and Dany's trek back to Westeros. The Wall stuff is cool, but it also has the potential to just be too SciFi and ruin the other story lines.
Just make the guy a JAG, and move the focus of the show back to Kings Landing and Dany's trek back to Westeros. The Wall stuff is cool, but it also has the potential to just be too SciFi and ruin the other story lines.
Why in the world would the Night's King be JAG? What a pointless villain that would make. I'd be shocked if it wasn't Stark related.
I generally like your feedback and opinions on things but you always give off this sense like if a show or movie goes in direction a, b, c it'll be ruined for you. Keep an open mind, cause the show is definitely going further into magical, spiritual and "sci-fi" places.
Not a book reader myself but it's been mentioned on these "non-spoiler" threads before that Jon Snow always wargs into Ghost mostly when he's sleeping, so he really doesn't know he has that ability. Not sure if any other Stark kids in the books exhibited this ability or not.
Other people have shown the ability to warg but not to the level Starks like Bran, 3ERaven (future Bran?) or even the NK who might be a bloodline from the Starks ancestors.
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Is it possible that the Night's King is a Stark (possibly that first white walker shown created this week). Then as a Stark, has the ability to warg like Bran and Three Eyed Raven had?
Maybe this is why the Night's King was able to see Bran in his vision, because he has that same ability. Plus it would explain how on a more powerful amped up level, he can warg the dead. Kill the Night's King and the undead army goes down.
Plus if the Night's King has that same ability as 3ERaven and Bran to see the past and future, maybe that's why he want Bran so badly. He knows how powerful Bran is and if he can covert him into a White Walker, his army would be almost unstoppable in the coming war down south.
I posted a similar theory over on the book thread. But if raising the dead really is just the WW warging into corpses perhaps that's something Bran could key into.
That'd be cool Peter. Everyone guesses in the end Bran will warg into one of the dragons, I think that's too easy and Bran has a bigger fate to the end story-line. I think the final battle Bran will go toe to toe with the Night's King waring corpses to battle each other.
Which in turn gives the other players in this game a fighting chance with the Dragons with Dany, Tyrion and Jon each riding one dragon apiece.
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Why would TNK's ability to warg suggest that he is a Stark?
Not a book reader myself but it's been mentioned on these "non-spoiler" threads before that Jon Snow always wargs into Ghost mostly when he's sleeping, so he really doesn't know he has that ability. Not sure if any other Stark kids in the books exhibited this ability or not.
Other people have shown the ability to warg but not to the level Starks like Bran, 3ERaven (future Bran?) or even the NK who might be a bloodline from the Starks ancestors.
How do we know the wildling who warged (Orell) doesn't do it to the level of Bran?
Also, while it may have been mentioned in these threads, has there been any reference in any of the shows that Jon Snow wargs into Ghost? I can't recall anything close to that happening, so it's disappointing to see people discuss that on this thread.
The only wargs we have seen in the show are Orell, Bran, and a Thenn.
There are a million theories out there and some are bound to have correct guesses, but I just don't see anything to suggest that the Night King potentially being able to warg (not even definite) suggests that he is a Stark
Also, do you guys think we're completely done with "The Children"? That one lead Children-girl helping Meera was still alive after being stabbed dozens of times. It looked like a suicide bomb that she set off, but maybe she's immortal?
The Children are the ones who created the White Walkers, and now we're done with them? Doesn't seem right.
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Why would TNK's ability to warg suggest that he is a Stark?
There are a million theories out there and some are bound to have correct guesses, but I just don't see anything to suggest that the Night King potentially being able to warg (not even definite) suggests that he is a Stark
Dude he saw and touched Bran when he was in the past. That's more than just seeing through animals. That's on the 3eravens level.
warg- the ability to enter the minds of animals and control the animals with their POV.
greensight: psychic ability to have visions of the past or future while in a dream state.
Bran is special in that he has both abilities.
The Night King has a lot of different abilities that we already know about, but that the Night King saw Bran and touched in Bran's vision doesn't mean that he is a warg, nor that he has greensight.
Above all, it certainly doesn't suggest in any way that he is a Stark.
Uh...magic? I don't think it has been clearly explained how he could see and touch Bran, but obviously he has some sort of powerful magic.
Maybe he's a warg. Maybe he has greensight. We don't know that, though. Also, we have no reason to think the Three Eyed Raven is a Stark, either.
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weird linking of the first WW to an existing character or bloodline. Just makes things to far out there and would make everything else going on so unimportant.
Just make the guy a JAG, and move the focus of the show back to Kings Landing and Dany's trek back to Westeros. The Wall stuff is cool, but it also has the potential to just be too SciFi and ruin the other story lines.
Why in the world would the Night's King be JAG? What a pointless villain that would make. I'd be shocked if it wasn't Stark related.
I generally like your feedback and opinions on things but you always give off this sense like if a show or movie goes in direction a, b, c it'll be ruined for you. Keep an open mind, cause the show is definitely going further into magical, spiritual and "sci-fi" places.
Maybe JAG is a bit extreme but I really hope it isn't a current Stark that's alive. Stark ancestor, fine, I can live with that.
I'm completely open minded, i've read every book and enjoy them immensely. I'm hoping the rest of the story doesn't dive completely off the cliffs I guess.
Question, at the end of Season 4, when Bran was first seeking the 3ERaven, before they entered the tree they had to get past a mine field of zombies. Who put those zombies there? Did the Night's King always know of the location and placed his un-dead soldiers at the base of the three to prevent 3ERaven from ever getting assistance from the outside?
Plus if those zombies at the base of the tree in season 4 were place there by the Night's King, wouldn't he already know where Bran was by controlling and re-animating those zombies there? The minute Bran stepped into that tree and was magically protected, the Night's King should have known and camped close by waiting for an opening to get to them.
Unless the Night's King can also greensight (visions of past and future) and had already seen in a vision that Bran would make that mistake and get marked, which would explain why they got there so fast and were waiting for them.
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"You Can't kill it you know" Its you.
Good point, initially I thought it was more about finding Bran's location.
I suspect that the Sparrow told Tommen about his brother (extracted through Loras), he told his mother (which the Sparrow knew he would), and tempered with Jaime's patience versus her impetuousness this is a 'get the Tyrells killed' planned double cross.
I suspect that the Sparrow told Tommen about his brother (extracted through Loras), he told his mother (which the Sparrow knew he would), and tempered with Jaime's patience versus her impetuousness this is a 'get the Tyrells killed' planned double cross.
So are your thinking another Red Wedding?