So week after week we get told to make a no spoiler thread and then we get called stupid when we do? Got it. There's a thread a few spots down for you to play in.
So week after week we get told to make a no spoiler thread and then we get called stupid when we do? Got it. There's a thread a few spots down for you to play in.
You mean no Book Spoilers
Not Episode spoilers for those who haven't seen it.
So week after week we get told to make a no spoiler thread and then we get called stupid when we do? Got it. There's a thread a few spots down for you to play in.
You mean no Book Spoilers
Not Episode spoilers for those who haven't seen it.
He obviously means no book spoilers OR spoilers based on speculation by book readers about plot details not introduced on the show. This is discussed weekly.
I absolutely love this show and have been thrilled with this season so far, but this episode just didn't register for me.
I found the Iron Islands storyline kind of boring. Balon's brother was just kind of introduced from out of nowhere, kills Balon, just shows up in the middle of the "election" and then Theon and his sister flee with a ton of ships during the coronation ceremony?
Is there a cure for greyscale or not? Dany's command to "find a cure" outweighs Jorah's survival motivation?
The Children throwing thermal detonators? Hodor getting his "name" by being warged by Bran in two time periods at once? I think the final scene was trying to live up to Hardhomme. But it didn't for me.
I don't know. Maybe I need to digest the episode and hear other fans' thoughts. But even some of the lines, like the priestess referring to Dany "crucifying the Masters for their sins," just seemed a bit lazy and un-GoT like.
Still a great show, though. Already looking forward to next week.
Yara and Theon left by themselves. They took a large part of the fleet. They had supporters. I got the feeling that the crowd was split and half went with them.
We've seen it THREE times now in his flash backs. They are beating us over the head with it. I think it's awesome that he sort of created a time loop with Hodor from such an amazing event that takes place at the time of his death.
What was Littlefinger trying to imply by "reminding" Sansa that Jon is her half brother? At first you wouldmthinkmthere as additional conversation between the two that we didn't see but that doesn't explain why Brienne is in the dark about the lie.
It all leaves me wondering how much Sansa really has (or hasn't) changed from the spoiled, Jon hating brat of a child she was. Or I'm completely wrong and it's for some selfless reason, perhaps something to protect Jon? Totally lost on that but very interested...
And how about the recent trend of Sansa becoming the biggest badass in the family while Jon broods and mopes.
She's tough, but her strategic thinking might be a little cloudy. When you're offered the Knights of the Vale, you take them. Can't trust Littlefinger? No problem: take his ass hostage and have your loyal Queensguard kill him at the first sign of betrayal.
Is that why she lied to Jon about meeting with Littlefinger? She didn't want to tell him she had just blown off the help of the biggest, best army north of the Trident on principle?
RE: Bing lingering question mark...why did Sansa lie to Jon? Â
What was Littlefinger trying to imply by "reminding" Sansa that Jon is her half brother? At first you wouldmthinkmthere as additional conversation between the two that we didn't see but that doesn't explain why Brienne is in the dark about the lie.
It all leaves me wondering how much Sansa really has (or hasn't) changed from the spoiled, Jon hating brat of a child she was. Or I'm completely wrong and it's for some selfless reason, perhaps something to protect Jon? Totally lost on that but very interested...
"So...turns out they're all set here. Let's head back to the Vale now. Anybody want to stop for ice cream on the way home?"
Listen to what she told little finger. She still feels it?
Ramsey's child is in her.
Ahhh, very good. Gotta be honest, wasn't sure how long ago it as and I thought she was just implying that he was really rough with her. A pregnancy never occurred to me.
Know what I think she should do? Take care of it. I won't say it for all the little baby ears in here, but it rhymes with "shmashmortion". I'm just saying, she should go to Mole Town and get a shmashmortion at the shmashmortion clinic.
The faceless men are good, evil, or simply mercenaries.
One thing that I never understood (or perhaps failed to pick up on) -- way back when Arya first encounters Jaqen Haegar (yes, I'm sure my spelling is all fucked up), what is he in captivity for? Did he commit a crime? Or are we supposed to assume he put himself there via faceless man skills to make her acquaintance?
They follow the many face God. This God is cool with them all being assassins and killing for money? WTF? I get it. Death comes to us all. Still doesn't seem right.
Listen to what she told little finger. She still feels it?
Ramsey's child is in her.
Ahhh, very good. Gotta be honest, wasn't sure how long ago it as and I thought she was just implying that he was really rough with her. A pregnancy never occurred to me.
Know what I think she should do? Take care of it. I won't say it for all the little baby ears in here, but it rhymes with "shmashmortion". I'm just saying, she should go to Mole Town and get a shmashmortion at the shmashmortion clinic.
My interpretation was that the writers chose the language to lead speculation that she's pregnant, but that Sansa the character doesn't know she is. She just things she feels all fucked up and broken from being abused and raped.
The faceless men are good, evil, or simply mercenaries.
One thing that I never understood (or perhaps failed to pick up on) -- way back when Arya first encounters Jaqen Haegar (yes, I'm sure my spelling is all fucked up), what is he in captivity for? Did he commit a crime? Or are we supposed to assume he put himself there via faceless man skills to make her acquaintance?
Yeah, I'm pretty lost about the Faceless Men. How can you claim to be doing a Gods will when anyone can come to you and pay you to off someone, for as simple a (perceived) slight as someone being a better actor? Not only is that petty and counterintuitive to how "important" their work is, but that entire 8-10 minute scene with the play was an absolute waste of time compared to the rest of the episode.
As for Jaqen, I have to think he allowed himself to be caught. He wouldn't be very good at what he does if he ended up in a dungeon, and the worst of dungeons at that.
1) Has the show really gone into depth about the children of the forest? No right? Just that they are part of the "original people" of the land? Why are they protecting/helping Bran?
2) The man who was stabbed and became the king white walker - do we know who he is, or is it speculation at this point?
3) The hodor thing was a bit confusing, but I guess it will get explained as the show goes along. Is bran "changing" the past? Or is the present and past linked, and occurring simultaneously? The fact that up into this point he has only said the word "hodor," means that Bran warging into him happened in the future..
In comment 12967393 Anando said:
[quote] 1) Has the show really gone into depth about the children of the forest? No right? Just that they are part of the "original people" of the land? Why are they protecting/helping Bran?
2) The man who was stabbed and became the king white walker - do we know who he is, or is it speculation at this point?
3) The hodor thing was a bit confusing, but I guess it will get explained as the show goes along. Is bran "changing" the past? Or is the present and past linked, and occurring simultaneously? The fact that up into this point he has only said the word "hodor," means that Bran warging into him happened in the future.. [/quote
1) The show has not gone into depth about the background of the children other than to say they were the first inhabitants of Westeros before man arrived from Essos. I believe they help/serve the Three Eyed a Raven/Bran because they share the greensight as well as the old gods and have similar aims.
2) no indication has been given as to the identity of the first white walker. It could just be someone they took captive during the war. Or you could rationalize that it had to be someone important/powerful to become such a powerful being. Will either know shortly and it will be explained or we never hear of it again and will know it's a relevant.
3) Time is a flat circl...ahhh shit, wrong show...
I think the land travel is more astounding these last few episodes:
So Theon just went, say, from halfway to the wall from Winterfell to Pyke in an episode? Littlefinger takes a leisurely stroll from the Eyrie to Mole Town (near Castle Black)?
Didn't it take months for King Robert to travel from King's Landing to Winterfell? Has Sansa been holed up at Castle Black that long? If so, it took them that long to realize they're outnumbered and need to go raise troops?
Sansa lying is an example of her making this too personal, Â
which is understandable, but often leads to serious problems for people on this show. Letting Littlefinger walk seems like a massive mistake on her part. I can easily see him trying to get back in the Lannisters' good graces.
Sansa not letting Brienne blow Littlefinger away Â
seemed a bit unbelievable. I mean, why not? She knows his ambitions and that he's the de facto commander of a large army joining the fray. She said herself that Littlefinger knew Ramsay was a monster.
"George R.R. Martin is a bit of a New York Giants fan, who knew? After losing a bet that the Dallas Cowboys would not have a better season than the Giants, he had to include a character named Petrek whose family crest was similar to the Cowboys star." GoT and the GMEN! - ( New Window )
"George R.R. Martin is a bit of a New York Giants fan, who knew? After losing a bet that the Dallas Cowboys would not have a better season than the Giants, he had to include a character named Petrek whose family crest was similar to the Cowboys star." GoT and the GMEN! - ( New Window )
That scene was a flashback, probably supposed to have taken place ~10,000 years prior. It's possible it was someone of Stark lineage, but it was definitely not Benjen.
"George R.R. Martin is a bit of a New York Giants fan, who knew? After losing a bet that the Dallas Cowboys would not have a better season than the Giants, he had to include a character named Petrek whose family crest was similar to the Cowboys star." GoT and the GMEN! - ( New Window )
Yes, it's widely reported. The giant who was at Hardhomme and who helped save Jon's friends a few episodes at Castle Black is named Wun Wun, in honor of Phil Simms (who wore #11).
I think the land travel is more astounding these last few episodes:
So Theon just went, say, from halfway to the wall from Winterfell to Pyke in an episode? Littlefinger takes a leisurely stroll from the Eyrie to Mole Town (near Castle Black)?
Didn't it take months for King Robert to travel from King's Landing to Winterfell? Has Sansa been holed up at Castle Black that long? If so, it took them that long to realize they're outnumbered and need to go raise troops?
I noticed how fast people seem to be moving now too. I think it too months for Robert to move with a full court. Carts of supplies, people on foot etc.
The other thing to consider is that we have no idea how fast their ships are. 19th century clipper ships could do 400-500 miles a day.
As much as I was disappointed with last season, I have been equally impressed with this season.
So here's my speculation on Hodor becoming a simpleton: Bran being a warg- allows him to enter the mind of simple creatures: birds, dire wolves, etc. Entering into Hodor’s mind to control him in the present was fine because it was not more complex that warging into a bird or a wolf (and hopefully someday a dragon). But did entering into the mind of someone with normal abilities as Bran did to Hodor in the past drive Hodor from being the normal, kind stable boy to a simpleton? Of course this event is looped in time.
Anyway I for one loved the use of the present linked to the past.
but i'm not really feeling the time travel angle. No idea if this is GRRM's vision, but I feel like its a really lame/convenient way to tell the story, makes me wonder how much other stuff they will explain with it.
The episode was full of some pretty good moments, capped off with the Hodor/time reveal, but I really hope the story doesn't start revolving around altering time.
Children of the Forest created the White Walkers and then they turned on them?
And how about the recent trend of Sansa becoming the biggest badass in the family while Jon broods and mopes. Time for him to nut up again
So week after week we get told to make a no spoiler thread and then we get called stupid when we do? Got it. There's a thread a few spots down for you to play in.
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no spoilers?
So week after week we get told to make a no spoiler thread and then we get called stupid when we do? Got it. There's a thread a few spots down for you to play in.
You mean no Book Spoilers
Not Episode spoilers for those who haven't seen it.
Quote:
In comment 12967282 Shadow said:
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no spoilers?
So week after week we get told to make a no spoiler thread and then we get called stupid when we do? Got it. There's a thread a few spots down for you to play in.
You mean no Book Spoilers
Not Episode spoilers for those who haven't seen it.
He obviously means no book spoilers OR spoilers based on speculation by book readers about plot details not introduced on the show. This is discussed weekly.
I found the Iron Islands storyline kind of boring. Balon's brother was just kind of introduced from out of nowhere, kills Balon, just shows up in the middle of the "election" and then Theon and his sister flee with a ton of ships during the coronation ceremony?
Is there a cure for greyscale or not? Dany's command to "find a cure" outweighs Jorah's survival motivation?
The Children throwing thermal detonators? Hodor getting his "name" by being warged by Bran in two time periods at once? I think the final scene was trying to live up to Hardhomme. But it didn't for me.
I don't know. Maybe I need to digest the episode and hear other fans' thoughts. But even some of the lines, like the priestess referring to Dany "crucifying the Masters for their sins," just seemed a bit lazy and un-GoT like.
Still a great show, though. Already looking forward to next week.
It all leaves me wondering how much Sansa really has (or hasn't) changed from the spoiled, Jon hating brat of a child she was. Or I'm completely wrong and it's for some selfless reason, perhaps something to protect Jon? Totally lost on that but very interested...
I have a feeling he's lying though and if that's the case Brianne might be going to her death.
She's tough, but her strategic thinking might be a little cloudy. When you're offered the Knights of the Vale, you take them. Can't trust Littlefinger? No problem: take his ass hostage and have your loyal Queensguard kill him at the first sign of betrayal.
Is that why she lied to Jon about meeting with Littlefinger? She didn't want to tell him she had just blown off the help of the biggest, best army north of the Trident on principle?
It all leaves me wondering how much Sansa really has (or hasn't) changed from the spoiled, Jon hating brat of a child she was. Or I'm completely wrong and it's for some selfless reason, perhaps something to protect Jon? Totally lost on that but very interested...
"So...turns out they're all set here. Let's head back to the Vale now. Anybody want to stop for ice cream on the way home?"
-Littlefinger
No they already said who he was. He's not Bran. The old man was the crow though that was coming to him in his dreams earlier.
Ramsey's child is in her.
Only part I didn't like though. Awesome episode.
Ramsey's child is in her.
Ahhh, very good. Gotta be honest, wasn't sure how long ago it as and I thought she was just implying that he was really rough with her. A pregnancy never occurred to me.
Know what I think she should do? Take care of it. I won't say it for all the little baby ears in here, but it rhymes with "shmashmortion". I'm just saying, she should go to Mole Town and get a shmashmortion at the shmashmortion clinic.
One thing that I never understood (or perhaps failed to pick up on) -- way back when Arya first encounters Jaqen Haegar (yes, I'm sure my spelling is all fucked up), what is he in captivity for? Did he commit a crime? Or are we supposed to assume he put himself there via faceless man skills to make her acquaintance?
Quote:
Listen to what she told little finger. She still feels it?
Ramsey's child is in her.
Ahhh, very good. Gotta be honest, wasn't sure how long ago it as and I thought she was just implying that he was really rough with her. A pregnancy never occurred to me.
Know what I think she should do? Take care of it. I won't say it for all the little baby ears in here, but it rhymes with "shmashmortion". I'm just saying, she should go to Mole Town and get a shmashmortion at the shmashmortion clinic.
My interpretation was that the writers chose the language to lead speculation that she's pregnant, but that Sansa the character doesn't know she is. She just things she feels all fucked up and broken from being abused and raped.
One thing that I never understood (or perhaps failed to pick up on) -- way back when Arya first encounters Jaqen Haegar (yes, I'm sure my spelling is all fucked up), what is he in captivity for? Did he commit a crime? Or are we supposed to assume he put himself there via faceless man skills to make her acquaintance?
Yeah, I'm pretty lost about the Faceless Men. How can you claim to be doing a Gods will when anyone can come to you and pay you to off someone, for as simple a (perceived) slight as someone being a better actor? Not only is that petty and counterintuitive to how "important" their work is, but that entire 8-10 minute scene with the play was an absolute waste of time compared to the rest of the episode.
As for Jaqen, I have to think he allowed himself to be caught. He wouldn't be very good at what he does if he ended up in a dungeon, and the worst of dungeons at that.
2) The man who was stabbed and became the king white walker - do we know who he is, or is it speculation at this point?
3) The hodor thing was a bit confusing, but I guess it will get explained as the show goes along. Is bran "changing" the past? Or is the present and past linked, and occurring simultaneously? The fact that up into this point he has only said the word "hodor," means that Bran warging into him happened in the future..
[quote] 1) Has the show really gone into depth about the children of the forest? No right? Just that they are part of the "original people" of the land? Why are they protecting/helping Bran?
2) The man who was stabbed and became the king white walker - do we know who he is, or is it speculation at this point?
3) The hodor thing was a bit confusing, but I guess it will get explained as the show goes along. Is bran "changing" the past? Or is the present and past linked, and occurring simultaneously? The fact that up into this point he has only said the word "hodor," means that Bran warging into him happened in the future.. [/quote
1) The show has not gone into depth about the background of the children other than to say they were the first inhabitants of Westeros before man arrived from Essos. I believe they help/serve the Three Eyed a Raven/Bran because they share the greensight as well as the old gods and have similar aims.
2) no indication has been given as to the identity of the first white walker. It could just be someone they took captive during the war. Or you could rationalize that it had to be someone important/powerful to become such a powerful being. Will either know shortly and it will be explained or we never hear of it again and will know it's a relevant.
3) Time is a flat circl...ahhh shit, wrong show...
So Theon just went, say, from halfway to the wall from Winterfell to Pyke in an episode? Littlefinger takes a leisurely stroll from the Eyrie to Mole Town (near Castle Black)?
Didn't it take months for King Robert to travel from King's Landing to Winterfell? Has Sansa been holed up at Castle Black that long? If so, it took them that long to realize they're outnumbered and need to go raise troops?
GoT and the GMEN! - ( New Window )
This has been known for years.
Yes, it's widely reported. The giant who was at Hardhomme and who helped save Jon's friends a few episodes at Castle Black is named Wun Wun, in honor of Phil Simms (who wore #11).
So Theon just went, say, from halfway to the wall from Winterfell to Pyke in an episode? Littlefinger takes a leisurely stroll from the Eyrie to Mole Town (near Castle Black)?
Didn't it take months for King Robert to travel from King's Landing to Winterfell? Has Sansa been holed up at Castle Black that long? If so, it took them that long to realize they're outnumbered and need to go raise troops?
I noticed how fast people seem to be moving now too. I think it too months for Robert to move with a full court. Carts of supplies, people on foot etc.
The other thing to consider is that we have no idea how fast their ships are. 19th century clipper ships could do 400-500 miles a day.
So here's my speculation on Hodor becoming a simpleton: Bran being a warg- allows him to enter the mind of simple creatures: birds, dire wolves, etc. Entering into Hodor’s mind to control him in the present was fine because it was not more complex that warging into a bird or a wolf (and hopefully someday a dragon). But did entering into the mind of someone with normal abilities as Bran did to Hodor in the past drive Hodor from being the normal, kind stable boy to a simpleton? Of course this event is looped in time.
Anyway I for one loved the use of the present linked to the past.
The episode was full of some pretty good moments, capped off with the Hodor/time reveal, but I really hope the story doesn't start revolving around altering time.