. . . the post game analysis.
Green is full of crap. He kicked Adams in the balls and then acted all innocent. And listening to Barklay and Shaq say that a player should not be penalized for "something that was un-intended" is laughable. It is wasn't an accident. He intentionally kicked him.
Hard to imagine he doesn't get suspended for it.
IMHO, It was intentional, he should have been ejected and should be suspended.
I just can't imagine there'd be no suspension for it.
The excuse that it was clearly unintentional. I was surprised when I saw the post game and all four guys agreed it was unintentional. The refs must have also believed it was unintentional or else he would have been ejected. Thats a lot of people believing something that appears intentional to me is unintentional. I am normally not one for conspiracy theories, but Green on the bench in the Conference finals doesn't help the NBA.
I know I sound like a broken record. But this sport is not the one that we grew up learning to play.
What a sham of a once great game.
the kick looked very intentional. I have no opinion of him, don't even know who he is.
I know I sound like a broken record. But this sport is not the one that we grew up learning to play.
What a sham of a once great game.
the league has given special treatment for at least 30 years. I guess all sports have that, but the NBA is by far the most blatant.
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It's been that way for years...maybe going on two decades. Every year, the league can be pigeon holed as a race between 4 or 5 teams max. Players look to stack teams so their careers aren't ended without a title. Refs call vastly in favor of the premier athletes. It's really not much different than the WWE at this point.
I know I sound like a broken record. But this sport is not the one that we grew up learning to play.
What a sham of a once great game.
the league has given special treatment for at least 30 years. I guess all sports have that, but the NBA is by far the most blatant.
Some defensive players in the NFL would like to disagree. The day that the NFL allowed two QBs and their front offices to dictate how NFL defenses should play defense and who has access to football equipment is the day that the NFL took the banner from the NBA for preferential treatment. MLB isn't that far behind either with all the ridiculous rule changes.
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Actually, I like Green and think he should be suspended. If the roles were reversed and Adams kicked Green in the nuts, he would have been ejected and suspended. What I don't like is the double standard in the NBA with stars getting this kind of treatment.
When there is a question as to whether a cheap shot like that is intentional, the league usually assumes it is intentional when considering suspension, unless a star is involved.
I know I sound like a broken record. But this sport is not the one that we grew up learning to play.
Well said and I could not agree more. The NBA is a marketing firm now that promotes one superstar at a time. It started with Jordan, then Kobe, then LeBron . Their teams must win to promote the brand and expand their legend. The media are perfect enablers. This stopped being a competitive sport during the Ewing era.
What a sham of a once great game.
Even still, that ten-year period is the exception proving the rule.
Arent the best teams suppose to win it?
And the NBA really just feels like a league where the inmates run the asylum. You have all these players with hands in how teams are run.. LeBron is literally picking his teams coaches and making FA decisions.. we've seen Melo constantly asked for input on coaching candidates, etc. It's like the players have all the power.
And the NBA really just feels like a league where the inmates run the asylum. You have all these players with hands in how teams are run.. LeBron is literally picking his teams coaches and making FA decisions.. we've seen Melo constantly asked for input on coaching candidates, etc. It's like the players have all the power.
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However, he gets coaches fired routinely. He picks and chooses where he goes and who to play with. He picks the players he wants to play with, and when it doesnt work out - he either leaves or gets the coaches fired.
People are making it some feat that he will make it to 6 finals in a row, when in reality he has played in a shitty conference for those 6 years. He switched teams multiple times. Multiple coaches. And lets face it, his antics on the court are boarderline unbearable now. It's a shame because he is so f'n good too.
Michael Jordan got his coach fired, and then he got Phil, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, Dennis ROdman, etc.
Larry Bird got McHale and Parrish.
Kobe got Shaq and Phil.
The list goes on. Comparing LeBron's situation, especially when he has been under more pressure and under more expectations than any superstar ever doesn't work for me.
Michael Jordan got his coach fired, and then he got Phil, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, Dennis ROdman, etc.
Larry Bird got McHale and Parrish.
Kobe got Shaq and Phil.
The list goes on. Comparing LeBron's situation, especially when he has been under more pressure and under more expectations than any superstar ever doesn't work for me.
But all of those players stayed with their respective team. Jordan's teams stunk his first few years. He didnt jump ship when they couldnt beat Detroit. They acquired those players over the years. And Collins had how many years without getting over the hump? David Blatt gets to the finals in his first year, and gets fired 20 games into his 2nd year. It's not acquiring talent. Its the process of doing it. He meets with Wade and Bosh and they agree where to play. He meets with Love before the draft and tells him to demand a trade to Cleveland.
Lebron has more input than any other athlete on who he has played with. When it didnt work out for him - he either changed team, or changed coaches. Thats what I dont understand about cleveland part I. Yeah, he didnt have a great supporting cast - but that was the supporting cast HE wanted.
But it was his input that led to those shitty teams. Again, I am not saying he doesnt have the right to do whats best for him, but he left the situation he was because he was the one who created it. I dont know - just seems fishy to me.
And dont get me started with all these opt out deals. Absolutely ridiculous.
Lavine
Hiedl
Wiggins
Noel
Towns
with Muhammad and Dieng off the bench. And Thibs defensive presence? Could be the team who makes the biggest jump.
Interesting. I wonder if Gibson would be added to fill the PF need. Gibson is a Thibs guy.
From tackling players, to elbows to the throat, to nut shots-- he deserves more punishment than he gets.
Shut the fuck up already.
If that's true they have a funny way of showing it.
NFL didn't change until the 2000s and even then it has been the same teams winning the damn SB.
Pats, Colts, Steelers, Seahawks, Broncos and Giants have represented their conference in SBs for the last 10 years.
Ravens, Colts, Broncos, Steelers and Pats have dominated the AFC championship game for over 15 years.
The past 8 years have had 8 different SB winners.
You'd have to go back to 2004-5 to find back to back winners. You'll never find a 3-peat SB team so far.
Green's habitual leg flailing. - ( New Window )
Adams is standing squared up right in front of him and Green knows it. Jumping up with a front kick whether it was to draw contact or not has only one result-- Adams getting kicked. The only question was whether he would get kicked in the nuts or in the stomach.
Green should be suspended for kicking Adams like that.
It's embarrassing that players take jump shots and kick their legs out wide or in front to try and sell a foul and they should be charged with offensive fouls (Westbrook, Wade, etc.).
The end result, though, is that the player has to be responsible for his deliberate actions.
If he got kicked out last night, he would unlikely get suspended.
https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/734884708031463424 - ( New Window )
2) Sure,nobody can say for certain. But, that sure as shit looked intentional. Hell, it doesn't even look remotely like a natural part of the move.
3) The officials called it a flagrant 1, right? That means no automatic suspension. The league could still have done something, especially given his comments and prior actions.
4) What really pisses me off is the notion that they can't suspend him because it would impact the series. That is fucking bullshit. The suspension isn't the impact on the series; the behavior of the player is. It's the same concept as not calling a foul in the 4th quarter so as not to allow a whistle to decide the game. Well, not blowing the whistle also impacts the outcome. If something is a foul in the first minute, it is a foul in the last minute.
5) The first thing I thought of when I heard the mention of not wanting to impact the series, I thought back to Knicks-Heat in 1997. 5 players from the Knicks were suspended, including their only bona fide star, who never even attempted to get involved in the melee. That sure as shit impacted the series. The easy and correct thing to do would have been to acknowledge the rule as written and right there admit it was wrong and not suspend Ewing.
That doesn't mean they should have a lot of power.
The point is he used back stage wrangling to join his biggest EC competitor - Wade so he could have an easy path to the finals.
Imagine MJ trying to team up with say Isiah Thomas? Yeah me neither.
LeBron doesn't have a competitive bone in his body. His basketball life has been gilded since day one and he wants to keep it that way. Good for him, bad for the sport.
Give LeBron a player half as good as Pippen was at any point in his first stint in Cleveland and he never leaves
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It's not like LeBron bolted from Cleveland after 2 years.. he stayed there for 7 years. Jordan won his first championship in his 7th season. LeBron asked them to get him another impact player and the best they did was Antawn Jamison. He got to the Finals with Larry Hughes as his wingman. I'm not sure how much longer he was supposed to stay on a team where he had no help.
The point is he used back stage wrangling to join his biggest EC competitor - Wade so he could have an easy path to the finals.
Imagine MJ trying to team up with say Isiah Thomas? Yeah me neither.
LeBron doesn't have a competitive bone in his body. His basketball life has been gilded since day one and he wants to keep it that way. Good for him, bad for the sport.
Jordan didn't have to leave, he had a cast good enough to win Championships with for half his career. If Jordan was stuck on teams with the talent equivalent to the Cleveland teams LeBron played with his first go around and you think he would have just played good soldier and never tried to leave, you're just feeding yourself a heavy dose of bullshit.
And spare me the idea that LeBron "doesn't have a competitive bone in his body".. remind me who the MVP of the Finals was the 2 years he won in Miami? You don't win 4 MVP's and wind up on 5 or 6 All-Defensive teams when you're not competitive. Give me a break. What an asinine statement.
I didn't say he did, but by year 4 Pippen and Grant were there. Oakley was on a few of his teams as well. LeBron played 7 years in Cleveland his first go around.. who was the best player he played with in that entire 7 year span? Larry Hughes? Antawn Jamison? Varejao who missed half of every other season?
There's literally no comparison.
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Jordan didn't have very talented teams when he first got to Chicago.
I didn't say he did, but by year 4 Pippen and Grant were there. Oakley was on a few of his teams as well. LeBron played 7 years in Cleveland his first go around.. who was the best player he played with in that entire 7 year span? Larry Hughes? Antawn Jamison? Varejao who missed half of every other season?
There's literally no comparison.
But again, he hand picked a lot of those players.
And how come cleveland do what teams are doing now? You see bad contract traded all the time. You see teams paying the luxury tax.
I understand the notion of leaving via free agency. My point is the problems lebon encountered had a lot to do with him. And with the beginning of his tenure at miami through today, the players are making contracts/free agency/trades ridiculous.
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should have a lot of power. They impact their sport more than athletes in any other sport.
That doesn't mean they should have a lot of power.
So then how long should an individual player be forced to live and play in a certain city without any choice in the matter?
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Jordan didn't have very talented teams when he first got to Chicago.
I didn't say he did, but by year 4 Pippen and Grant were there. Oakley was on a few of his teams as well. LeBron played 7 years in Cleveland his first go around.. who was the best player he played with in that entire 7 year span? Larry Hughes? Antawn Jamison? Varejao who missed half of every other season?
There's literally no comparison.
But again, he hand picked a lot of those players.
And how come cleveland do what teams are doing now? You see bad contract traded all the time. You see teams paying the luxury tax.
I understand the notion of leaving via free agency. My point is the problems lebon encountered had a lot to do with him. And with the beginning of his tenure at miami through today, the players are making contracts/free agency/trades ridiculous.
Who did he hand pick? He was making roster decisions at age 21? I highly doubt that 10 years ago he had anywhere near the hand in roster building that he does now.