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NFT: Draymond Green kicking Adams in the nuts and . . .

Ralph.C : 5/22/2016 11:03 pm
. . . the post game analysis.

Green is full of crap. He kicked Adams in the balls and then acted all innocent. And listening to Barklay and Shaq say that a player should not be penalized for "something that was un-intended" is laughable. It is wasn't an accident. He intentionally kicked him.
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When I first saw the play  
santacruzom : 5/23/2016 12:33 am : link
I didn't even see the kick. I thought his arms smacked Adams' injured thumb.

Hard to imagine he doesn't get suspended for it.
He won't  
NJGiantFan84 : 5/23/2016 12:50 am : link
Be suspended. NBA execs already ordered the commentators to discuss in depth how it was unintentional. They will use that as an excuse.

IMHO, It was intentional, he should have been ejected and should be suspended.
Wait  
santacruzom : 5/23/2016 12:52 am : link
What would NBA execs be using as an excuse?
I mean  
santacruzom : 5/23/2016 1:05 am : link
I hope you're right and all, as I can't see the Warriors winning game 4 without Green.

I just can't imagine there'd be no suspension for it.
RE: Wait  
NJGiantFan84 : 5/23/2016 1:11 am : link
In comment 12967414 santacruzom said:
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What would NBA execs be using as an excuse?


The excuse that it was clearly unintentional. I was surprised when I saw the post game and all four guys agreed it was unintentional. The refs must have also believed it was unintentional or else he would have been ejected. Thats a lot of people believing something that appears intentional to me is unintentional. I am normally not one for conspiracy theories, but Green on the bench in the Conference finals doesn't help the NBA.



You don't know if it was intentional  
jdf : 5/23/2016 2:24 am : link
No one knows, except Green. He could easily have been flailing away after being fouled. For the NBA to suspend him for that would be a joke. Only those who don't like him (and there are probably many out there) are calling for that.
The NBA is a joke of a competitive league.  
chopperhatch : 5/23/2016 2:32 am : link
It's been that way for years...maybe going on two decades. Every year, the league can be pigeon holed as a race between 4 or 5 teams max. Players look to stack teams so their careers aren't ended without a title. Refs call vastly in favor of the premier athletes. It's really not much different than the WWE at this point.

I know I sound like a broken record. But this sport is not the one that we grew up learning to play.

What a sham of a once great game.
Zach Lowe  
santacruzom : 5/23/2016 2:33 am : link
States that from the baseline, it looked far more natural than from the replay angles he has since seen. But he knows Draymond and might be reluctant to assign intent.
RE: You don't know if it was intentional  
madgiantscow009 : 5/23/2016 2:38 am : link
In comment 12967431 jdf said:
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No one knows, except Green. He could easily have been flailing away after being fouled. For the NBA to suspend him for that would be a joke. Only those who don't like him (and there are probably many out there) are calling for that.


the kick looked very intentional. I have no opinion of him, don't even know who he is.
RE: The NBA is a joke of a competitive league.  
madgiantscow009 : 5/23/2016 2:40 am : link
In comment 12967434 chopperhatch said:
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It's been that way for years...maybe going on two decades. Every year, the league can be pigeon holed as a race between 4 or 5 teams max. Players look to stack teams so their careers aren't ended without a title. Refs call vastly in favor of the premier athletes. It's really not much different than the WWE at this point.

I know I sound like a broken record. But this sport is not the one that we grew up learning to play.

What a sham of a once great game.


the league has given special treatment for at least 30 years. I guess all sports have that, but the NBA is by far the most blatant.
RE: RE: The NBA is a joke of a competitive league.  
Mason : 5/23/2016 5:05 am : link
In comment 12967440 madgiantscow009 said:
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In comment 12967434 chopperhatch said:


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It's been that way for years...maybe going on two decades. Every year, the league can be pigeon holed as a race between 4 or 5 teams max. Players look to stack teams so their careers aren't ended without a title. Refs call vastly in favor of the premier athletes. It's really not much different than the WWE at this point.

I know I sound like a broken record. But this sport is not the one that we grew up learning to play.

What a sham of a once great game.



the league has given special treatment for at least 30 years. I guess all sports have that, but the NBA is by far the most blatant.


Some defensive players in the NFL would like to disagree. The day that the NFL allowed two QBs and their front offices to dictate how NFL defenses should play defense and who has access to football equipment is the day that the NFL took the banner from the NBA for preferential treatment. MLB isn't that far behind either with all the ridiculous rule changes.
I like Draymond  
Big Rick in FL : 5/23/2016 8:23 am : link
One of my favorite players in the NBA, but that was intentional. You can maybe make a case for it being unintentional if it was the first time, but he did the same thing in game 3. The NBA is a joke if they don't suspend him. Which I'm sure they won't, because they want Steph in the Finals.
Really looked intentional  
BillT : 5/23/2016 8:33 am : link
I have never seen that happen in the NBA before. Not that way. And Green is a guy who wants to do all the extracurricular "intimidation" nonsense. If you're going to be that guy then it's hard to give you much leeway. (Full disclosure I'm an OKC fan)
not sure what the NBA wil do  
UConn4523 : 5/23/2016 8:34 am : link
but they get their dream matchup finals regardless of who wins. Its either a rematch of last year or finally LeBron vs. Durant. I suspect ratings will be virtually the same regardless.
sorry  
UConn4523 : 5/23/2016 8:35 am : link
LeBron vs Durant rematch.
And for the second time in 2 games  
BillT : 5/23/2016 8:37 am : link
Really?
RE: And for the second time in 2 games  
Heisenberg : 5/23/2016 8:46 am : link
In comment 12967530 BillT said:
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Really?

+1
RE: You don't know if it was intentional  
NJGiantFan84 : 5/23/2016 10:11 am : link
In comment 12967431 jdf said:
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No one knows, except Green. He could easily have been flailing away after being fouled. For the NBA to suspend him for that would be a joke. Only those who don't like him (and there are probably many out there) are calling for that.


Actually, I like Green and think he should be suspended. If the roles were reversed and Adams kicked Green in the nuts, he would have been ejected and suspended. What I don't like is the double standard in the NBA with stars getting this kind of treatment.

When there is a question as to whether a cheap shot like that is intentional, the league usually assumes it is intentional when considering suspension, unless a star is involved.
RE: The NBA is a joke of a competitive league.  
averagejoe : 5/23/2016 10:14 am : link
In comment 12967434 chopperhatch said:
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It's been that way for years...maybe going on two decades. Every year, the league can be pigeon holed as a race between 4 or 5 teams max. Players look to stack teams so their careers aren't ended without a title. Refs call vastly in favor of the premier athletes. It's really not much different than the WWE at this point.

I know I sound like a broken record. But this sport is not the one that we grew up learning to play.

Well said and I could not agree more. The NBA is a marketing firm now that promotes one superstar at a time. It started with Jordan, then Kobe, then LeBron . Their teams must win to promote the brand and expand their legend. The media are perfect enablers. This stopped being a competitive sport during the Ewing era.

What a sham of a once great game.
chopper  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/23/2016 10:18 am : link
when has the NBA ever been a wide open race of teams that can win the title? It has always been a league of dominant teams.
Paul  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2016 10:22 am : link
The one exception to that was the '70s, when there were eight different champions. Only the Knicks and Celtics won more than once.
fair enough  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/23/2016 10:26 am : link
the Lakers, Bullets, and KNicks both made the finals 3 times and other teams multiple times as well in the decade-- and that's when you rigidly stick to 1970-1979.

Even still, that ten-year period is the exception proving the rule.
oh, absolutely  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2016 10:28 am : link
Just noting that there was one exception. In every other decade, the NBA is a league of dominance.
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arcarsenal : 5/23/2016 10:30 am : link
It's just the nature of the league. One great player sways the balance in the NBA moreso than any other sport.
Here's what I dont get.....  
dep026 : 5/23/2016 10:32 am : link
when people say its only 4-5 teams can win it...

Arent the best teams suppose to win it?
in the other three leagues the best team often doesn't, though  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2016 10:33 am : link
Which is why the NBA sticks out
The one thign about the NBA I dont like  
dep026 : 5/23/2016 10:39 am : link
is the free agency rules. It makes it way too easy for superstar teams to come together. The reason why I am rooting for OKC is that they basically drafted their team. KD, Westbrook, Ibaka, Adams.
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arcarsenal : 5/23/2016 10:49 am : link
I think what rubs people the wrong way about the NBA is that making the playoffs means nothing for most teams. They simply have no chance. It's not really like that in the other 3 major sports. I think it's just a little more exciting feeling like anyone has a chance even if they don't have great odds.

And the NBA really just feels like a league where the inmates run the asylum. You have all these players with hands in how teams are run.. LeBron is literally picking his teams coaches and making FA decisions.. we've seen Melo constantly asked for input on coaching candidates, etc. It's like the players have all the power.
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chris r : 5/23/2016 10:50 am : link
In comment 12967719 arcarsenal said:
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I think what rubs people the wrong way about the NBA is that making the playoffs means nothing for most teams. They simply have no chance. It's not really like that in the other 3 major sports. I think it's just a little more exciting feeling like anyone has a chance even if they don't have great odds.

And the NBA really just feels like a league where the inmates run the asylum. You have all these players with hands in how teams are run.. LeBron is literally picking his teams coaches and making FA decisions.. we've seen Melo constantly asked for input on coaching candidates, etc. It's like the players have all the power.


+28
the players  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/23/2016 11:18 am : link
should have a lot of power. They impact their sport more than athletes in any other sport.
Thats why I dont understand why people  
dep026 : 5/23/2016 11:18 am : link
want Lebron to win. I understand he is one of the GOAT. I have nothing against his game, he's phenomenal.

However, he gets coaches fired routinely. He picks and chooses where he goes and who to play with. He picks the players he wants to play with, and when it doesnt work out - he either leaves or gets the coaches fired.

People are making it some feat that he will make it to 6 finals in a row, when in reality he has played in a shitty conference for those 6 years. He switched teams multiple times. Multiple coaches. And lets face it, his antics on the court are boarderline unbearable now. It's a shame because he is so f'n good too.
Wish Green played against guys like  
Vin R : 5/23/2016 11:22 am : link
Oakley, Rodman & etc
because other  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/23/2016 11:24 am : link
superstars were gifted great situations and coaches and teammates. Magic didn't have to do what LeBron did-- he got Riley, Kareem, Worthy, etc.

Michael Jordan got his coach fired, and then he got Phil, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, Dennis ROdman, etc.

Larry Bird got McHale and Parrish.

Kobe got Shaq and Phil.

The list goes on. Comparing LeBron's situation, especially when he has been under more pressure and under more expectations than any superstar ever doesn't work for me.
RE: because other  
dep026 : 5/23/2016 11:34 am : link
In comment 12967767 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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superstars were gifted great situations and coaches and teammates. Magic didn't have to do what LeBron did-- he got Riley, Kareem, Worthy, etc.

Michael Jordan got his coach fired, and then he got Phil, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, Dennis ROdman, etc.

Larry Bird got McHale and Parrish.

Kobe got Shaq and Phil.

The list goes on. Comparing LeBron's situation, especially when he has been under more pressure and under more expectations than any superstar ever doesn't work for me.


But all of those players stayed with their respective team. Jordan's teams stunk his first few years. He didnt jump ship when they couldnt beat Detroit. They acquired those players over the years. And Collins had how many years without getting over the hump? David Blatt gets to the finals in his first year, and gets fired 20 games into his 2nd year. It's not acquiring talent. Its the process of doing it. He meets with Wade and Bosh and they agree where to play. He meets with Love before the draft and tells him to demand a trade to Cleveland.

Lebron has more input than any other athlete on who he has played with. When it didnt work out for him - he either changed team, or changed coaches. Thats what I dont understand about cleveland part I. Yeah, he didnt have a great supporting cast - but that was the supporting cast HE wanted.
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arcarsenal : 5/23/2016 11:39 am : link
It's not like LeBron bolted from Cleveland after 2 years.. he stayed there for 7 years. Jordan won his first championship in his 7th season. LeBron asked them to get him another impact player and the best they did was Antawn Jamison. He got to the Finals with Larry Hughes as his wingman. I'm not sure how much longer he was supposed to stay on a team where he had no help.
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dep026 : 5/23/2016 11:42 am : link
In comment 12967793 arcarsenal said:
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It's not like LeBron bolted from Cleveland after 2 years.. he stayed there for 7 years. Jordan won his first championship in his 7th season. LeBron asked them to get him another impact player and the best they did was Antawn Jamison. He got to the Finals with Larry Hughes as his wingman. I'm not sure how much longer he was supposed to stay on a team where he had no help.


But it was his input that led to those shitty teams. Again, I am not saying he doesnt have the right to do whats best for him, but he left the situation he was because he was the one who created it. I dont know - just seems fishy to me.

And dont get me started with all these opt out deals. Absolutely ridiculous.
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arcarsenal : 5/23/2016 11:45 am : link
I don't know if he had the same type of input in his early 20's as he does now.. I'm sure playing with Antawn Jamison wasn't his ideal situation. I remember there being talk of Amar'e potentially going there pre-Knicks but it never materialized.
One team that I will be looking  
dep026 : 5/23/2016 11:49 am : link
and watch more and more is the TWolves. I really hope they make the next step. I think they should trade Rubio to the 76ers for Noel, then draft Hiedl. Move Lavine to the point.

Lavine
Hiedl
Wiggins
Noel
Towns

with Muhammad and Dieng off the bench. And Thibs defensive presence? Could be the team who makes the biggest jump.
Somebody need to kick Green in the nuts  
KWALL2 : 5/23/2016 11:53 am : link
what's with this guy screaming in the faces of opponents after routine baskets? A solid kick in the nuts could solve that problem.
TWolves  
giants#1 : 5/23/2016 11:54 am : link
I live in MN and there are (obviously) tons of rumors that they're going to trade for Butler. Rumored deal is Lavine + #5 pick + more. A core of Butler, KAT, and Wiggins (+Rubio) could definitely make some noise. Probably a 7/8 seed in the West though, unless KAT/Wiggins make some huge jumps.

RE: TWolves  
dep026 : 5/23/2016 11:57 am : link
In comment 12967830 giants#1 said:
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I live in MN and there are (obviously) tons of rumors that they're going to trade for Butler. Rumored deal is Lavine + #5 pick + more. A core of Butler, KAT, and Wiggins (+Rubio) could definitely make some noise. Probably a 7/8 seed in the West though, unless KAT/Wiggins make some huge jumps.


Interesting. I wonder if Gibson would be added to fill the PF need. Gibson is a Thibs guy.
Draymond Green  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/23/2016 12:27 pm : link
plays hard-- that is undeniable. He is versatile and has a huge role on the Warriors-- that is undeniable. But he also has a history of a lot of dirty plays-- also undeniable. Whether they are intentional or the residue of his aggressive recklessness doesn't matter to me at this point.

From tackling players, to elbows to the throat, to nut shots-- he deserves more punishment than he gets.
Oh Draymond.....  
dep026 : 5/23/2016 12:30 pm : link
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Draymond: "Russell (Westbrook) said I did it on purpose but he's a part of the superstar group that started all this acting in the NBA. I didn't. So, I sold the call."


Shut the fuck up already.
RE: I like Draymond  
santacruzom : 5/23/2016 12:31 pm : link
In comment 12967505 Big Rick in FL said:
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The NBA is a joke if they don't suspend him. Which I'm sure they won't, because they want Steph in the Finals.


If that's true they have a funny way of showing it.
It was treckless or negligent behavior  
xman : 5/23/2016 1:13 pm : link
on Greens part and he should be suspended.
And please the NFL and MLB still lead the category  
Mason : 5/23/2016 2:21 pm : link
with oh it's the same old team again.

NFL didn't change until the 2000s and even then it has been the same teams winning the damn SB.

Pats, Colts, Steelers, Seahawks, Broncos and Giants have represented their conference in SBs for the last 10 years.

Ravens, Colts, Broncos, Steelers and Pats have dominated the AFC championship game for over 15 years.
This is just a bizarre...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/23/2016 2:42 pm : link
statement.

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NFL didn't change until the 2000s and even then it has been the same teams winning the damn SB.


The past 8 years have had 8 different SB winners.

You'd have to go back to 2004-5 to find back to back winners. You'll never find a 3-peat SB team so far.
Aside from the '98-00 Yankees  
Greg from LI : 5/23/2016 3:15 pm : link
The only MLB team to win consecutive titles since 1978 was the 1992-93 Blue Jays. In that period, 36 titles were won by 20 different franchises. The Yankees won five, the Sawx and Giants won three, and no other franchise more than two.
thought this  
santacruzom : 5/23/2016 6:44 pm : link
was interesting
Green's habitual leg flailing. - ( New Window )
Here's the problem  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/23/2016 6:52 pm : link
with just calling it typical leg-flailing from Green.

Adams is standing squared up right in front of him and Green knows it. Jumping up with a front kick whether it was to draw contact or not has only one result-- Adams getting kicked. The only question was whether he would get kicked in the nuts or in the stomach.

Green should be suspended for kicking Adams like that.

It's embarrassing that players take jump shots and kick their legs out wide or in front to try and sell a foul and they should be charged with offensive fouls (Westbrook, Wade, etc.).

The end result, though, is that the player has to be responsible for his deliberate actions.
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