about keepers and a specific trade.
My keeper league is one where you can keep two players. If you keep someone the first time you keep them you lose the round they were drafted, then it halves every year until it becomes your 1st round pick, then you lose your 1st every time you keep that same player.
So if I drafted Cam Newton in the 8th round in 2015, in 2016 I can keep him for an 8th, 2017 a 4th, 2018 a 2nd, and 2019 and beyond a 1st. Odd rounds round down (so 7th, 3rd, 1st)
if you hit on a late round player you can lock in a good player for a long time.
So, my keepers are actually Cam Newton in the 8th, where I drafted him last year, and Todd Gurley in the 5th.
I pick 4th this year (out of 12) and for some reason the guy picking 10th offered me Odell Beckham for my 1st round pick (#4 overall). He drafted Beckham 11th overall last year so for him to keep Beckham he'd lose his first.
I don't see any way I get a player better than Beckham at #4.
I would be nuts not to make this trade right?
The lone caveat would be the trade has to be made now, and would not be "insured" against injury. If Beckham is injured and not worthy of keeping I would then pick 10th and just not keep Beckham.
anyone follow this?
the league is all pissed at this guy and think he's an idiot. My team would have Beckham, Gurley and Newton and I'd still have my 2nd, 3rd, and 4th picks to help build the roster (I lose my 5th for Gurley and 8th for Newton).
without knowing every keeper yet I can say I think the top 4 will be something like Julio Jones, Demaryius Thomas, Zeke Elliott (that's right, #3 is a Cowboys fan and unless it's BS says he's locking in Elliot at 3), and then 4th. maybe AJ Green. I don't see Beckham value there.
Any thoughts about this transaction?
The guy I'm trading with is very possibly the luckiest FFL player alive. Last year's draft I picked 11th and he picked 10th. He took Beckham right before me, which put me in no-man's-land and I was stuck taking CJ Anderson (which at the time wasn't regarded as a bad pick).
his next three picks were, no shit, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady. He took 3 QB's in his top 4 picks.
he lost in the semis. After week 2 he dealt both Brees and Peyton and kept Brady but he got Larry Fitzgerald very late got Hopkins or someone for Brees. Got decent return on Peyton too.
Anyway, I accepted and the league is pissed, LOL.
I love fantasy football in May. Just pray for health.
Well he can only keep 1 now that we've done this (Tom Brady in the 4th). In order to trade a player at this point it has to be a player you keep, so essentially he is keeping Beckham with pick #10 and trading him to me for pick #4. the league can have no more than 24 players kept combined.
If I have a top 3 pick, Ill just have to decide between Brown, Jones, OBJ.
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seems like a "loophole" though since you can now essentially "keep" 3 players.
Well he can only keep 1 now that we've done this (Tom Brady in the 4th). In order to trade a player at this point it has to be a player you keep, so essentially he is keeping Beckham with pick #10 and trading him to me for pick #4. the league can have no more than 24 players kept combined.
Ah, I was wondering if that was the case. Then this owner is a moron. Only way this makes any sense for him is if the player he takes at #4 is better than Beckham, which is highly unlikely in a keeper league. Beckham is arguably the #1 WR and likely a better fantasy value than all but 5-6 RBs (if that).
If I have a top 3 pick, Ill just have to decide between Brown, Jones, OBJ.
Well, 2 of the top RBs (Charles/Bell) are coming off serious injuries and AP is on the wrong side of 30 and coming off a "down" year ("only" 1500 yds and 11 TDs). Personally, AP is still a top 5 pick for me and I can see a "bounce back" from him. Vikes added some pieces to their OL (was arguably as bad as the Giants) and some weapons (Treadwell). Treadwell/Diggs should at least soften the 8 man fronts a little.
If I have a top 3 pick, Ill just have to decide between Brown, Jones, OBJ.
There's really no "correct" way to do it, honestly.. I had 5th pick in one league and took Lacy and 4th in another and took Peterson. I was 13-1 in the league I took Lacy and lost in the Finals in the league I took Peterson.
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FINALLY, the "experts" are bucking that you need to draft a RB early. The first 4 picks and 6 of the top 9 picks are either WRs/TEs. The one draft I saw with what 3 RBs to take were Bell, David Johnson, and Elliott. AP/Martin and a few others were late 1st/early 2nd rounders.
If I have a top 3 pick, Ill just have to decide between Brown, Jones, OBJ.
There's really no "correct" way to do it, honestly.. I had 5th pick in one league and took Lacy and 4th in another and took Peterson. I was 13-1 in the league I took Lacy and lost in the Finals in the league I took Peterson.
I think if you do your due dilligence, you can snag RBs later in the draft. For instance, there are guys going way under the radar this year that you can snag probably after round 5. Guys like Carlos Hyde (Chip loves his RBs), Ryan Mathews (I bet he has a huge role in PPR this year), or even a Javarious Allen (he will get the ball a lot)
People will jump on Miller since he is with Houston. People will jump on the mccoys, rawls, freemans, and others based on potential and last years production 1-2 rounds too early. While they go in the first two rounds, Ill be glad to have OBJ and Green as my first two picks.
If I have a top 3 pick, Ill just have to decide between Brown, Jones, OBJ.
Absolutely. There is a ZERO % chance I take a RB in the top 3 unless there are some big injuries. I'm taking Beckham/Brown at #1 and really only LeVeon Bell would enter in my potential top 3 (Julio Jones close).
I like Murray as a sleeper behind that Titans line.
I'm hopeful people don't look beyond the stats and I can pick up Murray in the mid rounds. I wouldn't take him early (top 5 rounds).
My biggest concern with Murray is they drafted Henry in the 2nd. But I still thunk Murray will get the bulk of the carries.
Ryan Matthews might look great in PPR for a few weeks and then he'll end up dinged up (or on IR) and you'll be kicking yourself for drafting him.
Another similar player is Mark Ingram. He was incredibly consistent last season and (IIRC) top 5 before getting hurt and missing the last 5-6 games. Unlikely to have the monster 3 TD games that single handedly win you a week, but also unlikely to lay a dud.
Ryan Matthews might look great in PPR for a few weeks and then he'll end up dinged up (or on IR) and you'll be kicking yourself for drafting him.
Another similar player is Mark Ingram. He was incredibly consistent last season and (IIRC) top 5 before getting hurt and missing the last 5-6 games. Unlikely to have the monster 3 TD games that single handedly win you a week, but also unlikely to lay a dud.
The one thing I learned about fantasy is RB depth is more important than RB talent. Last year I was using Langford, Hightower, and Ware at the end of the year and winning games. The year before I picked up CJ Anderson and Denard Robinson and won the league.
I usually draft 6 RBs and only 4-5 WRs.
Ryan Matthews might look great in PPR for a few weeks and then he'll end up dinged up (or on IR) and you'll be kicking yourself for drafting him.
Another similar player is Mark Ingram. He was incredibly consistent last season and (IIRC) top 5 before getting hurt and missing the last 5-6 games. Unlikely to have the monster 3 TD games that single handedly win you a week, but also unlikely to lay a dud.
I had Ingram last year.. I was pretty high on him going in relative to his ADP.. there was a lot of debate between he and Gore (I strongly preferred Ingram).. and he wound up being super consistent before he was injured. He was literally a top 3 RB in standard leagues.
David Johnson was the guy last year (got him in the 8th).
He doesn't get to keep 2 AND trade Beckham.
he's keeping Beckham (1st round pick lost (#10 overall)) and Brady (4th round pick lost) and then he's trading me Beckham for the #4 overall pick.
So, you can look at it as I get three players kept, but he only gets one if you view it that way.
only players you can trade now are ones you keep.
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and you keep 3 guys and he keeps 2. He is basically getting something for nothing if he wasn't going to keep Beckham. Am I getting this right?
He doesn't get to keep 2 AND trade Beckham.
he's keeping Beckham (1st round pick lost (#10 overall)) and Brady (4th round pick lost) and then he's trading me Beckham for the #4 overall pick.
So, you can look at it as I get three players kept, but he only gets one if you view it that way.
only players you can trade now are ones you keep.
If that is the case then that is fine. Trades shouldn't be vetoed because they are bad trades. Trades should only be vetoed if there is obvious dumping happening. Everybody has the same amount of assets. You are trading your first pick for Beckham. He is trading a keeper for an extra first. I think he is dumb but that shouldn't stop the trade.
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and you keep 3 guys and he keeps 2. He is basically getting something for nothing if he wasn't going to keep Beckham. Am I getting this right?
He doesn't get to keep 2 AND trade Beckham.
he's keeping Beckham (1st round pick lost (#10 overall)) and Brady (4th round pick lost) and then he's trading me Beckham for the #4 overall pick.
So, you can look at it as I get three players kept, but he only gets one if you view it that way.
only players you can trade now are ones you keep.
If that is the case then that is fine. Trades shouldn't be vetoed because they are bad trades. Trades should only be vetoed if there is obvious dumping happening. Everybody has the same amount of assets. You are trading your first pick for Beckham. He is trading a keeper for an extra first. I think he is dumb but that shouldn't stop the trade.
Yep, and no one is threatening to veto it or even voting, they just think he's an idiot.
I do too, but not quite as bad as people say.
For one thing, if Beckham does get hurt I now have pick 10 instead of 4, and in a keeper league that's a big deal.
Second, he's probably going to wind up with at worst AJ Green or someone like that, so yeah I'd rather have Beckham and think he's an idiot for trading him, but it's not the worst trade ever. He gets insurance and options at #4.