29 y/o. Looked to be pretty durable until last year. Had back to back 1K yard seasons in 2012 and 2013.
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After drafting a surplus of WRs, Browns have released veteran WR Brian Hartline, as @ProFootballTalk also reported.
Isn't Hartline more of a slot receiver? We seemingly have enough options in the slot... would prefer a vet that can play the outside. I'd still rather employ Boldin to give us about 50 yards per game and 4 or 5 TDs throughout the course of the season.
Isn't Hartline more of a slot receiver? We seemingly have enough options in the slot... would prefer a vet that can play the outside. I'd still rather employ Boldin to give us about 50 yards per game and 4 or 5 TDs throughout the course of the season.
Isn't Hartline more of a slot receiver? We seemingly have enough options in the slot... would prefer a vet that can play the outside. I'd still rather employ Boldin to give us about 50 yards per game and 4 or 5 TDs throughout the course of the season.
Boldin is a slot receiver.
You're right. I don't know why but I thought he played more of a hybrid slot/outside role... but looking it up he seems pretty dedicated to the slot.
For the right contract might be a good option
8 years experience.
When with Dolphins his 'est' average was 14.5, in the 5 seasons he was a starter.
Started most games after his rookie season.
6 foot 2.
201
Very good route runner.
Good hands
10 inch hands
Anyone watch some Dolphins football, seasons 2010 -2014 that could comment if he would be a good to very good #3
His highlights, 2013 season playing outside [not slot] looked good....you be the judge.
For the right contract might be a good option
8 years experience.
When with Dolphins his 'est' average was 14.5, in the 5 seasons he was a starter.
Started most games after his rookie season.
6 foot 2.
201
Very good route runner.
Good hands
10 inch hands
Anyone watch some Dolphins football, seasons 2010 -2014 that could comment if he would be a good to very good #3
His highlights, 2013 season playing outside [not slot] looked good....you be the judge.
Depending on cost, depth or starter? 2013 Hightlights Dolphins - ( New Window )
On to what, that since he tore his ACL his YPC is down almost 3 yards per and on top of that he broke his Clavical last December?
It's quite possible there's a waive / injury settlement in the works as it is the BROWNS that are waiving him - you know the WR stacked Cleveland Browns...
Isn't Hartline more of a slot receiver? We seemingly have enough options in the slot... would prefer a vet that can play the outside. I'd still rather employ Boldin to give us about 50 yards per game and 4 or 5 TDs throughout the course of the season.
Boldin is a slot receiver.
You're right. I don't know why but I thought he played more of a hybrid slot/outside role... but looking it up he seems pretty dedicated to the slot.
It's curious that you are high enough on his 36-year-old ass to want to sign him, yet you had no idea what position he plays.
Could it be that you just want a recognizable name? Nah, that would be stupid.
RE: A broken clavicle is a minor injury, it's a very common occurance
2014, he played in 16 games, started 16 games and averaged 12.2.
2015, he played in 12 games, stared only 4. Had 46 rec. and 2 TDs. He averaged 11.4
If the Giants sign him, are they getting the 2015 version with the Browns or the 2013 version when he played with Miami?
That year he had 1016 yards in 15 games on 76 receptions.
See link to highlight above.
He has had time to recover.
If now healthy, could he make a good #3?
IMO if McAdoo wanted a vet James Jones (yes the infamous one) would have been signed already. He knows the offense inside and out plus is a proven TD maker in a similar system (14TDs in 2012 and 8TDs last year with GB).
Good point.
My point is too many want an old vet that played like a star a few years back.
Outside of Odell, Harris, & Sterling - who can the Giants really count on?
Don't say Cruz! The Giants said he was to be back last year.
Now they say this year, but lets take it slow.
Want another vet signed now, not in July when there is no one worth left to sign.
If Cruz is back that is icing on the cake.
I want five guys we can count on, I only see three at the moment.
He can play split end. He's faster than you guys think, typecasting him as the white boy po. He's played on teams that have had shit quarterbacks in shit offenses quite a bit, Brian might surprise.
It's obvious by the Giants offseason moves they are going with younger men that have minimal to no previous injury history - how does Hartline fit?
Because he's been a reliable receiver in the past, we're not asking him to be the primary or even secondary option. He's a smart receiver with good hands, will probably be inexpensive and his speed is fine for a possession guy.
And this whole "get younger and more healthy" has become almost cliche. We got a ton younger over the off season and with several drafts. We also need veterans to plug holes. Hartline is not prohibitive as a 29 year old.
I for one would welcome this signing. While Harris filled in nicely at wideout, it would be nice to have him primarily as a specials guy and Hartline would be a nice rotational receiver.
if the Giants prefer Shepard in the slot then he and Cruz become somewhat redundant and you certainly don't need to add Hartline (or Boldin) to that mix (hopefully).
If they see Shepard as lining up outside primarily opposite Beckham and Cruz in the slot and don't really want to move Shepard to the slot as a rookie due to reads, routes, etc. then a veteran like Hartline, Boldin, Andre Johnson, or Roddy White on an short (1 year) incentive laden deal makes a lot of sense.
I think all four of them (from what I know) are solid citizens, professional route runner wide receivers, with decent size, who can at a minimum provide veteran leadership and insurance against injury.
but like I said, depends on Shepard. no sense blocking him to the bench after using a 2nd round pick on him.
RE: I think it depends on how the Giants view Shepard
if the Giants prefer Shepard in the slot then he and Cruz become somewhat redundant and you certainly don't need to add Hartline (or Boldin) to that mix (hopefully).
If they see Shepard as lining up outside primarily opposite Beckham and Cruz in the slot and don't really want to move Shepard to the slot as a rookie due to reads, routes, etc. then a veteran like Hartline, Boldin, Andre Johnson, or Roddy White on an short (1 year) incentive laden deal makes a lot of sense.
I think all four of them (from what I know) are solid citizens, professional route runner wide receivers, with decent size, who can at a minimum provide veteran leadership and insurance against injury.
but like I said, depends on Shepard. no sense blocking him to the bench after using a 2nd round pick on him.
I'm sorry, but I don't thing we are deep enough at WR to be done improving the position IMHO. I also see Shepard lining up as the Y most of the time. His route running gets him open more so than his speed or quicks. Hartline is insurance for Cruz in this case.
RE: RE: RE: RE: A broken clavicle is a minor injury, it's a very common occurance
Romo's broken his at least three times, I never heard it mentioned as a possible longterm issue.
There is nothing minor about a broken clavicle. A low ankle sprain is a minor injury.
Again, that's just silly. It's a common injury with little to no longterm concern. I'll take a common broken bone over a foot/ankle injury for a WR.
Silly is your posts on this thread - see Romo and Charles Rodgers, the broken Clavicle for NFL players has a history for re-injury in this sport.
Moreover you picked on on a slim point in the thread and are carrying the torch. Why don't you tell us how you feel about Harline the free agent WR?
You brought up an injury settlement for a broken clavicle. It seems ridiculous, that was my only point. I can't find one player it's ever occurred for.
RE: RE: I think it depends on how the Giants view Shepard
if the Giants prefer Shepard in the slot then he and Cruz become somewhat redundant and you certainly don't need to add Hartline (or Boldin) to that mix (hopefully).
If they see Shepard as lining up outside primarily opposite Beckham and Cruz in the slot and don't really want to move Shepard to the slot as a rookie due to reads, routes, etc. then a veteran like Hartline, Boldin, Andre Johnson, or Roddy White on an short (1 year) incentive laden deal makes a lot of sense.
I think all four of them (from what I know) are solid citizens, professional route runner wide receivers, with decent size, who can at a minimum provide veteran leadership and insurance against injury.
but like I said, depends on Shepard. no sense blocking him to the bench after using a 2nd round pick on him.
I'm sorry, but I don't thing we are deep enough at WR to be done improving the position IMHO. I also see Shepard lining up as the Y most of the time. His route running gets him open more so than his speed or quicks. Hartline is insurance for Cruz in this case.
I don't disagree about WR depth but every beat writer has said the Giants like some of the young/developmental guys which is the reason they were not active in the initial wave of FA at the position.
We'll see on Shepard. Cruz's status may have some influence on how they handle him.
Isn't Hartline more of a slot receiver? We seemingly have enough options in the slot... would prefer a vet that can play the outside. I'd still rather employ Boldin to give us about 50 yards per game and 4 or 5 TDs throughout the course of the season.
Boldin is a slot receiver.
You're right. I don't know why but I thought he played more of a hybrid slot/outside role... but looking it up he seems pretty dedicated to the slot.
It's curious that you are high enough on his 36-year-old ass to want to sign him, yet you had no idea what position he plays.
Could it be that you just want a recognizable name? Nah, that would be stupid.
Did Boldin fuck your sister and then never call her or something? I already recognized my mistake... I still think Boldin could be a contributor for a team with a fit, I stand by that. I don't think my expectations were far out of the realm of possibility. You can direct your anger elsewhere now.
RE: RE: RE: I think it depends on how the Giants view Shepard
if the Giants prefer Shepard in the slot then he and Cruz become somewhat redundant and you certainly don't need to add Hartline (or Boldin) to that mix (hopefully).
If they see Shepard as lining up outside primarily opposite Beckham and Cruz in the slot and don't really want to move Shepard to the slot as a rookie due to reads, routes, etc. then a veteran like Hartline, Boldin, Andre Johnson, or Roddy White on an short (1 year) incentive laden deal makes a lot of sense.
I think all four of them (from what I know) are solid citizens, professional route runner wide receivers, with decent size, who can at a minimum provide veteran leadership and insurance against injury.
but like I said, depends on Shepard. no sense blocking him to the bench after using a 2nd round pick on him.
I'm sorry, but I don't thing we are deep enough at WR to be done improving the position IMHO. I also see Shepard lining up as the Y most of the time. His route running gets him open more so than his speed or quicks. Hartline is insurance for Cruz in this case.
I don't disagree about WR depth but every beat writer has said the Giants like some of the young/developmental guys which is the reason they were not active in the initial wave of FA at the position.
We'll see on Shepard. Cruz's status may have some influence on how they handle him.
Oh I'd love the solution to be found in house. I just hadn't read about any player that was instilling that kind of faith.
It is not like the Giants are bursting at the seams with 7 or 8 wide receivers all very talented and ready to go.
Cruz is an unknown at this point and may very well be an unknown all the way through training camp. Great if he makes it back, ludicrous to count on him.
Like Harris, but he is best the #4, plus by playing special teams like he does he can easily get hurt.
If Harris is hurt and Cruz is a no show or 70% of what he was the Giants are down to Myles White, Geremy Davis, and Tavarres King.
The only sure bets [knock on wood] is Odell and Sterling.
I'd like a vet signed ASAP.
Like a vet around 30 years of age. Enough experience, not on his last legs.
Like a vet that has shown some production over the past year or two.
The answer isn't in house.
And waiting deep into camp expecting talented vets that are not on their last legs [most don't have anything left] sitting there waiting for the Giants to call seem foolish.
Giants should look at vets like Hartline or Jones now, not later.
Giants need one more good vet for the rotation. Make it so Jerry.
Hartline is getting up there and plays a position that is somewhat deep for nyg even with the questions... Forget Sheppard the Giants have a lot of young bodies at the position. Just because they are late round picks doesn't mean they cant contribute. I kinda like where the Giants sit at WR.
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a white WR?
It concerns me that after Odell and Shephard, we're relying on Harris, Cruz, White and Geremy Davis.
Boldin is a slot receiver.
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Isn't Hartline more of a slot receiver? We seemingly have enough options in the slot... would prefer a vet that can play the outside. I'd still rather employ Boldin to give us about 50 yards per game and 4 or 5 TDs throughout the course of the season.
Boldin is a slot receiver.
You're right. I don't know why but I thought he played more of a hybrid slot/outside role... but looking it up he seems pretty dedicated to the slot.
Id rather sign Roddy White.
Seems like a good fit to me but he won't be available long.
smh
lol
8 years experience.
When with Dolphins his 'est' average was 14.5, in the 5 seasons he was a starter.
Started most games after his rookie season.
6 foot 2.
201
Very good route runner.
Good hands
10 inch hands
Anyone watch some Dolphins football, seasons 2010 -2014 that could comment if he would be a good to very good #3
His highlights, 2013 season playing outside [not slot] looked good....you be the judge.
Depending on cost, depth or starter?
2013 Hightlights Dolphins - ( New Window )
8 years experience.
When with Dolphins his 'est' average was 14.5, in the 5 seasons he was a starter.
Started most games after his rookie season.
6 foot 2.
201
Very good route runner.
Good hands
10 inch hands
Anyone watch some Dolphins football, seasons 2010 -2014 that could comment if he would be a good to very good #3
His highlights, 2013 season playing outside [not slot] looked good....you be the judge.
Depending on cost, depth or starter? 2013 Hightlights Dolphins - ( New Window )
On to what, that since he tore his ACL his YPC is down almost 3 yards per and on top of that he broke his Clavical last December?
It's quite possible there's a waive / injury settlement in the works as it is the BROWNS that are waiving him - you know the WR stacked Cleveland Browns...
IDK, but Hartline was an average WR during his best days - fast forward to today post torn ACL and broken Clavicle he is not a viable option.
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Isn't Hartline more of a slot receiver? We seemingly have enough options in the slot... would prefer a vet that can play the outside. I'd still rather employ Boldin to give us about 50 yards per game and 4 or 5 TDs throughout the course of the season.
Boldin is a slot receiver.
You're right. I don't know why but I thought he played more of a hybrid slot/outside role... but looking it up he seems pretty dedicated to the slot.
It's curious that you are high enough on his 36-year-old ass to want to sign him, yet you had no idea what position he plays.
Could it be that you just want a recognizable name? Nah, that would be stupid.
There is nothing minor about a broken clavicle. A low ankle sprain is a minor injury.
2015, he played in 12 games, stared only 4. Had 46 rec. and 2 TDs. He averaged 11.4
If the Giants sign him, are they getting the 2015 version with the Browns or the 2013 version when he played with Miami?
That year he had 1016 yards in 15 games on 76 receptions.
See link to highlight above.
He has had time to recover.
If now healthy, could he make a good #3?
If healthy he is worth the look.
Cruz! The Cruz comeback might have a happy ending, but then again...
Don't want to give up on Geremy Davis as of yet, but I don't think he strikes fear in any defense in the league, including the Giants.
Have hopes that one of Boone, Powe, Lewis , Maye, or Dable might stick and be a player in a year or two....but what are the odds.
Who else is really out there that can help.
Is your confidence really that strong on anyone that is left, especially older than 36?
I'm hoping Cruz is back, but what version of Cruz are the Giants getting.
Still want another vet to compete for #3 or #4.
Hartline is a vet and has had some good years. He is only age 30.
If HEALTHY, he is someone the Giants should look at.
See link above at 4:11 pm for his highlight with Miami, year 2013
My point is too many want an old vet that played like a star a few years back.
Outside of Odell, Harris, & Sterling - who can the Giants really count on?
Don't say Cruz! The Giants said he was to be back last year.
Now they say this year, but lets take it slow.
Want another vet signed now, not in July when there is no one worth left to sign.
If Cruz is back that is icing on the cake.
I want five guys we can count on, I only see three at the moment.
It's obvious by the Giants offseason moves they are going with younger men that have minimal to no previous injury history - how does Hartline fit?
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Romo's broken his at least three times, I never heard it mentioned as a possible longterm issue.
There is nothing minor about a broken clavicle. A low ankle sprain is a minor injury.
Again, that's just silly. It's a common injury with little to no longterm concern. I'll take a common broken bone over a foot/ankle injury for a WR.
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Romo's broken his at least three times, I never heard it mentioned as a possible longterm issue.
There is nothing minor about a broken clavicle. A low ankle sprain is a minor injury.
Again, that's just silly. It's a common injury with little to no longterm concern. I'll take a common broken bone over a foot/ankle injury for a WR.
Silly is your posts on this thread - see Romo and Charles Rodgers, the broken Clavicle for NFL players has a history for re-injury in this sport.
Moreover you picked on on a slim point in the thread and are carrying the torch. Why don't you tell us how you feel about Harline the free agent WR?
Now the Oline is a bit different. (RT/RG and only Hart.)
It's obvious by the Giants offseason moves they are going with younger men that have minimal to no previous injury history - how does Hartline fit?
Because he's been a reliable receiver in the past, we're not asking him to be the primary or even secondary option. He's a smart receiver with good hands, will probably be inexpensive and his speed is fine for a possession guy.
And this whole "get younger and more healthy" has become almost cliche. We got a ton younger over the off season and with several drafts. We also need veterans to plug holes. Hartline is not prohibitive as a 29 year old.
I for one would welcome this signing. While Harris filled in nicely at wideout, it would be nice to have him primarily as a specials guy and Hartline would be a nice rotational receiver.
if the Giants prefer Shepard in the slot then he and Cruz become somewhat redundant and you certainly don't need to add Hartline (or Boldin) to that mix (hopefully).
If they see Shepard as lining up outside primarily opposite Beckham and Cruz in the slot and don't really want to move Shepard to the slot as a rookie due to reads, routes, etc. then a veteran like Hartline, Boldin, Andre Johnson, or Roddy White on an short (1 year) incentive laden deal makes a lot of sense.
I think all four of them (from what I know) are solid citizens, professional route runner wide receivers, with decent size, who can at a minimum provide veteran leadership and insurance against injury.
but like I said, depends on Shepard. no sense blocking him to the bench after using a 2nd round pick on him.
if the Giants prefer Shepard in the slot then he and Cruz become somewhat redundant and you certainly don't need to add Hartline (or Boldin) to that mix (hopefully).
If they see Shepard as lining up outside primarily opposite Beckham and Cruz in the slot and don't really want to move Shepard to the slot as a rookie due to reads, routes, etc. then a veteran like Hartline, Boldin, Andre Johnson, or Roddy White on an short (1 year) incentive laden deal makes a lot of sense.
I think all four of them (from what I know) are solid citizens, professional route runner wide receivers, with decent size, who can at a minimum provide veteran leadership and insurance against injury.
but like I said, depends on Shepard. no sense blocking him to the bench after using a 2nd round pick on him.
I'm sorry, but I don't thing we are deep enough at WR to be done improving the position IMHO. I also see Shepard lining up as the Y most of the time. His route running gets him open more so than his speed or quicks. Hartline is insurance for Cruz in this case.
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In comment 12968306 schabadoo said:
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Romo's broken his at least three times, I never heard it mentioned as a possible longterm issue.
There is nothing minor about a broken clavicle. A low ankle sprain is a minor injury.
Again, that's just silly. It's a common injury with little to no longterm concern. I'll take a common broken bone over a foot/ankle injury for a WR.
Silly is your posts on this thread - see Romo and Charles Rodgers, the broken Clavicle for NFL players has a history for re-injury in this sport.
Moreover you picked on on a slim point in the thread and are carrying the torch. Why don't you tell us how you feel about Harline the free agent WR?
You brought up an injury settlement for a broken clavicle. It seems ridiculous, that was my only point. I can't find one player it's ever occurred for.
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I've heard he can play slot or outside.
if the Giants prefer Shepard in the slot then he and Cruz become somewhat redundant and you certainly don't need to add Hartline (or Boldin) to that mix (hopefully).
If they see Shepard as lining up outside primarily opposite Beckham and Cruz in the slot and don't really want to move Shepard to the slot as a rookie due to reads, routes, etc. then a veteran like Hartline, Boldin, Andre Johnson, or Roddy White on an short (1 year) incentive laden deal makes a lot of sense.
I think all four of them (from what I know) are solid citizens, professional route runner wide receivers, with decent size, who can at a minimum provide veteran leadership and insurance against injury.
but like I said, depends on Shepard. no sense blocking him to the bench after using a 2nd round pick on him.
I'm sorry, but I don't thing we are deep enough at WR to be done improving the position IMHO. I also see Shepard lining up as the Y most of the time. His route running gets him open more so than his speed or quicks. Hartline is insurance for Cruz in this case.
I don't disagree about WR depth but every beat writer has said the Giants like some of the young/developmental guys which is the reason they were not active in the initial wave of FA at the position.
We'll see on Shepard. Cruz's status may have some influence on how they handle him.
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Isn't Hartline more of a slot receiver? We seemingly have enough options in the slot... would prefer a vet that can play the outside. I'd still rather employ Boldin to give us about 50 yards per game and 4 or 5 TDs throughout the course of the season.
Boldin is a slot receiver.
You're right. I don't know why but I thought he played more of a hybrid slot/outside role... but looking it up he seems pretty dedicated to the slot.
It's curious that you are high enough on his 36-year-old ass to want to sign him, yet you had no idea what position he plays.
Could it be that you just want a recognizable name? Nah, that would be stupid.
Did Boldin fuck your sister and then never call her or something? I already recognized my mistake... I still think Boldin could be a contributor for a team with a fit, I stand by that. I don't think my expectations were far out of the realm of possibility. You can direct your anger elsewhere now.
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I've heard he can play slot or outside.
if the Giants prefer Shepard in the slot then he and Cruz become somewhat redundant and you certainly don't need to add Hartline (or Boldin) to that mix (hopefully).
If they see Shepard as lining up outside primarily opposite Beckham and Cruz in the slot and don't really want to move Shepard to the slot as a rookie due to reads, routes, etc. then a veteran like Hartline, Boldin, Andre Johnson, or Roddy White on an short (1 year) incentive laden deal makes a lot of sense.
I think all four of them (from what I know) are solid citizens, professional route runner wide receivers, with decent size, who can at a minimum provide veteran leadership and insurance against injury.
but like I said, depends on Shepard. no sense blocking him to the bench after using a 2nd round pick on him.
I'm sorry, but I don't thing we are deep enough at WR to be done improving the position IMHO. I also see Shepard lining up as the Y most of the time. His route running gets him open more so than his speed or quicks. Hartline is insurance for Cruz in this case.
I don't disagree about WR depth but every beat writer has said the Giants like some of the young/developmental guys which is the reason they were not active in the initial wave of FA at the position.
We'll see on Shepard. Cruz's status may have some influence on how they handle him.
Oh I'd love the solution to be found in house. I just hadn't read about any player that was instilling that kind of faith.
It is not like the Giants are bursting at the seams with 7 or 8 wide receivers all very talented and ready to go.
Cruz is an unknown at this point and may very well be an unknown all the way through training camp. Great if he makes it back, ludicrous to count on him.
Like Harris, but he is best the #4, plus by playing special teams like he does he can easily get hurt.
If Harris is hurt and Cruz is a no show or 70% of what he was the Giants are down to Myles White, Geremy Davis, and Tavarres King.
The only sure bets [knock on wood] is Odell and Sterling.
I'd like a vet signed ASAP.
Like a vet around 30 years of age. Enough experience, not on his last legs.
Like a vet that has shown some production over the past year or two.
The answer isn't in house.
And waiting deep into camp expecting talented vets that are not on their last legs [most don't have anything left] sitting there waiting for the Giants to call seem foolish.
Giants should look at vets like Hartline or Jones now, not later.
Giants need one more good vet for the rotation. Make it so Jerry.
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that Belichik would sign.
a white WR?
No... a smart sure handed WR who is a team player and can move the chains. However, if you want to bring race into this go right ahead.
No thanks. Not a guy who can help this team.