29 y/o. Looked to be pretty durable until last year. Had back to back 1K yard seasons in 2012 and 2013.
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Adam Schefter & #8207;@AdamSchefter 15m15 minutes ago
After drafting a surplus of WRs, Browns have released veteran WR Brian Hartline, as @ProFootballTalk also reported.
Isn't Hartline more of a slot receiver? We seemingly have enough options in the slot... would prefer a vet that can play the outside. I'd still rather employ Boldin to give us about 50 yards per game and 4 or 5 TDs throughout the course of the season.
Not at all. He's 6'2". Never played the slot at Miami He's not super fast but solid and a bigger WR Hes no star but I could see him easily fit as I don't think there's a bigger WR on the team better than him
Isn't Hartline more of a slot receiver? We seemingly have enough options in the slot... would prefer a vet that can play the outside. I'd still rather employ Boldin to give us about 50 yards per game and 4 or 5 TDs throughout the course of the season.
Not at all. He's 6'2". Never played the slot at Miami He's not super fast but solid and a bigger WR Hes no star but I could see him easily fit as I don't think there's a bigger WR on the team better than him
Face it Matty, he's not a guy who can help this team. He doesn't run really fast or jump really high!
::eye roll::Hartline on a good contract could absolutely give this team an option on the outside when we go 3 wide. Yes, if Cruz comes back and is 70% of what he is, then he will be our 4th we. What's wrong with that?
Some say wait on Cruz, other think Harris is the answer, some say even with questions the Giants have good depth at WR, our late round picks can be counted on play well, and on and on and on...
Giant WR Roster
Odell Beckham
Victor Cruz
Dwayne Harris
Sterling Shepard
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Myles White - UDFA out of college
Geremy Davis - 6th RD Giants
Tavarres King - 5th RD \\ released by 3 teams in two seasons
Anthony Dable - Undrafted, not from the US, some say late rounder, 6th RD
K.J. Maye - UDFA out of college
Roger Lewis - UDFA out of college
Darius Powe - UDFA out of college
Kadon Boone - UDFA out of college
Donte Foster - UDFA out of college Quickly searched the above, believe it is correct
Sterling Sharp will be a nice addition to the offense but he is still a rookie
Dwayne Harris at best should be the 4th WR
Victor Cruz while a fan favorite is still a HUGE question mark, going into the season and beyond...
Odell Beckham - how fortunate the Giants and us are to have him
So everyone who says to wait is totally confident that who every the Giants keep out of that nine from Myles White through Donte Foster can play up to the standard that the offense wouldn't miss much. Or that the Giants wouldn't have to change their approach because the talent dropped 2 or 3 levels.
If Cruz doesn't come back at at least 80% of Cruz we know then the Giants are screwed if one of the other big three get hurt. Harris is one tough dude but he can get hurt playing special teams. Odell has been known to pull hamstrings. Sterling is a rookie, very good but still a rookie.
Signing now a good free agent like Hartline if he is healthy or even James Jones would stop this offense from being crippled if we had a injury or two in our top four. Jones already knows the offense as it was pointed out to me in this thread and Hartline is talented enough that this offense shouldn't slow down much if someone went down.
Do you want to rely on UDFA's? How bout the 5th and 6th rounders.
We all want to find gold in one or two UDFA but the odds of them sticking is low;counting on them contributing much is too risky.
Waiting deep into training camp to find even an average vet is risky too.
This offense needs one more good WR and a good RT.
Isn't Hartline more of a slot receiver? We seemingly have enough options in the slot... would prefer a vet that can play the outside. I'd still rather employ Boldin to give us about 50 yards per game and 4 or 5 TDs throughout the course of the season.
Not at all. He's 6'2". Never played the slot at Miami He's not super fast but solid and a bigger WR Hes no star but I could see him easily fit as I don't think there's a bigger WR on the team better than him
??? what? yes he did, he played slot in Miami almost exclusively.
Looks the part but even in those two years when he reached 1000 yards he was never really a WR teams feared. He has been injured and never was a speed guy to begin with is there anything left in the tank the odds are less than 40% against. At this point he is not someone you need to sign since after the third preseason game you will have many vet WR's released who come with much less health concerns.
Regardless if they feared him or not, he had two 1000's yard seasons. Why does everyone hold him in so low opinion.
He had three or four good seasons in Miami but supposedly he has no talent. OK
Maybe you are right since you watched games in which he played and I didn't.
Stats doesn't tell everything.
Giants will most likely wait until you say and get someone with low talent and no knowledge of the playbook. Take him four to five games at least before he is useful.
Just hope Cruz makes it back, if not that is a bad gamble.
Who cares if he isn't a viable top 3 WR? He's a solid back end of the roster player (though granted, no specials), and while I know we won't bring him to camp, would anyone care if we did?
Personally, I admittedly have a very very bad propensity/predisposition towards the "FUCK IT BRING 'IM IN!" crowd...
But if Harris gets hurt, and the younger guys e.h. Myles White or Geremy Davis amount to nothing, you could do a hell of a lot worse than Hartline...
...particularly if he's been in our system through camp despite being a couch FA.
For some reason, I feel like he runs decent routes and that Eli would be able to find him on 2-3 crucial 3rd downs this year. And those 2-3 crucial 3rd downs could be ALL the difference, as 07/11 showed us...
I wouldn't expect the Giants to bring in another WR...
about 4 years ago. But he wasnt much then and he's worse now. CLE, with no NFL WRs on the team, cut the guy even though he doesn't make much. This is just one year after signing him.
And the reason is explained on NFL.com. (and it's the same reason James Jones is looking for work today).
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The 29-year-old receiver struggled to gain separation the past several seasons and was a below-replacement-level wideout on one of the shallowest pass-catching groups in the NFL.
A lot of you like to mention how good Jones was last year in GB but thats nonsense. He wasn't. And the team made a mistake not using the younger WRs during the year. Wasn't that clear in the playoffs? Instead they had Jones out there taking up space. It was a mistake they corrected by not asking Jones back at any price.
Giants should avoid the same mistake. We are better off going with younger players for that 4-5 WR spot. If needed, give Davis or White the playing time. NFL.com on Hartline Cut - ( New Window )
Not at all. He's 6'2". Never played the slot at Miami He's not super fast but solid and a bigger WR Hes no star but I could see him easily fit as I don't think there's a bigger WR on the team better than him
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Isn't Hartline more of a slot receiver? We seemingly have enough options in the slot... would prefer a vet that can play the outside. I'd still rather employ Boldin to give us about 50 yards per game and 4 or 5 TDs throughout the course of the season.
Not at all. He's 6'2". Never played the slot at Miami He's not super fast but solid and a bigger WR Hes no star but I could see him easily fit as I don't think there's a bigger WR on the team better than him
Face it Matty, he's not a guy who can help this team. He doesn't run really fast or jump really high!
::eye roll::Hartline on a good contract could absolutely give this team an option on the outside when we go 3 wide. Yes, if Cruz comes back and is 70% of what he is, then he will be our 4th we. What's wrong with that?
This board sometimes....
Giant WR Roster
Odell Beckham
Victor Cruz
Dwayne Harris
Sterling Shepard
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Myles White - UDFA out of college
Geremy Davis - 6th RD Giants
Tavarres King - 5th RD \\ released by 3 teams in two seasons
Anthony Dable - Undrafted, not from the US, some say late rounder, 6th RD
K.J. Maye - UDFA out of college
Roger Lewis - UDFA out of college
Darius Powe - UDFA out of college
Kadon Boone - UDFA out of college
Donte Foster - UDFA out of college
Quickly searched the above, believe it is correct
Sterling Sharp will be a nice addition to the offense but he is still a rookie
Dwayne Harris at best should be the 4th WR
Victor Cruz while a fan favorite is still a HUGE question mark, going into the season and beyond...
Odell Beckham - how fortunate the Giants and us are to have him
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So everyone who says to wait is totally confident that who every the Giants keep out of that nine from Myles White through Donte Foster can play up to the standard that the offense wouldn't miss much. Or that the Giants wouldn't have to change their approach because the talent dropped 2 or 3 levels.
If Cruz doesn't come back at at least 80% of Cruz we know then the Giants are screwed if one of the other big three get hurt. Harris is one tough dude but he can get hurt playing special teams. Odell has been known to pull hamstrings. Sterling is a rookie, very good but still a rookie.
Signing now a good free agent like Hartline if he is healthy or even James Jones would stop this offense from being crippled if we had a injury or two in our top four. Jones already knows the offense as it was pointed out to me in this thread and Hartline is talented enough that this offense shouldn't slow down much if someone went down.
Do you want to rely on UDFA's? How bout the 5th and 6th rounders.
We all want to find gold in one or two UDFA but the odds of them sticking is low;counting on them contributing much is too risky.
Waiting deep into training camp to find even an average vet is risky too.
This offense needs one more good WR and a good RT.
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Isn't Hartline more of a slot receiver? We seemingly have enough options in the slot... would prefer a vet that can play the outside. I'd still rather employ Boldin to give us about 50 yards per game and 4 or 5 TDs throughout the course of the season.
Not at all. He's 6'2". Never played the slot at Miami He's not super fast but solid and a bigger WR Hes no star but I could see him easily fit as I don't think there's a bigger WR on the team better than him
??? what? yes he did, he played slot in Miami almost exclusively.
He had three or four good seasons in Miami but supposedly he has no talent. OK
Maybe you are right since you watched games in which he played and I didn't.
Stats doesn't tell everything.
Giants will most likely wait until you say and get someone with low talent and no knowledge of the playbook. Take him four to five games at least before he is useful.
Just hope Cruz makes it back, if not that is a bad gamble.
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I feel like he's been 33 years old for like 5 fantasy football seasons
Personally, I admittedly have a very very bad propensity/predisposition towards the "FUCK IT BRING 'IM IN!" crowd...
But if Harris gets hurt, and the younger guys e.h. Myles White or Geremy Davis amount to nothing, you could do a hell of a lot worse than Hartline...
...particularly if he's been in our system through camp despite being a couch FA.
For some reason, I feel like he runs decent routes and that Eli would be able to find him on 2-3 crucial 3rd downs this year. And those 2-3 crucial 3rd downs could be ALL the difference, as 07/11 showed us...
I don't think anyone should speak with absolutes about what the Giants will or won't do at this point.
Jones may be a slight anomaly since he played in a similar system in GB, but point still stands.
And the reason is explained on NFL.com. (and it's the same reason James Jones is looking for work today).
A lot of you like to mention how good Jones was last year in GB but thats nonsense. He wasn't. And the team made a mistake not using the younger WRs during the year. Wasn't that clear in the playoffs? Instead they had Jones out there taking up space. It was a mistake they corrected by not asking Jones back at any price.
Giants should avoid the same mistake. We are better off going with younger players for that 4-5 WR spot. If needed, give Davis or White the playing time.
NFL.com on Hartline Cut - ( New Window )