He's been nothing but awesome since coming to Giants. Has played well and seems like a good guy.
I hope people don't start turning on him all of a sudden due to some dumb trade rumors and the fact that they may have drafted his replacement. He's still a really good player and quite honestly our best defensive player last year.
Likely just to clean out his locker as BBI reported
He's been nothing but awesome since coming to Giants. Has played well and seems like a good guy.
I hope people don't start turning on him all of a sudden due to some dumb trade rumors and the fact that they may have drafted his replacement. He's still a really good player and quite honestly our best defensive player last year.
but only one player on the whole defense played more snaps than DRC (and that included his missing a game).
Landon Collins.
I think we all saw that every single game DRC would have some issue come up and seemingly take himself out of the game for a play or two.
the Saints game is a perfect example, he got turf in his eye, came out for a play - the only play he missed the entire game - and Breese sees it, and the result is a long TD pass to Brandin Cooks with Trevin Wade lost in coverage.
I don't know if that's the kind of thing JonC's sources see, but I'm sure there's more to it than we as fans know.
I agree with the other posters though, from a fan perspective his contract is a bargain IMO, and he's a legit #1 NFL CB, hard to replace that talent.
I think we all saw that every single game DRC would have some issue come up and seemingly take himself out of the game for a play or two.
the Saints game is a perfect example, he got turf in his eye, came out for a play - the only play he missed the entire game - and Breese sees it, and the result is a long TD pass to Brandin Cooks with Trevin Wade lost in coverage.
If the reserves cannot hold up for a play or two, that is not DRC's fault. That would be on the guys making the decisions...
I think we all saw that every single game DRC would have some issue come up and seemingly take himself out of the game for a play or two.
the Saints game is a perfect example, he got turf in his eye, came out for a play - the only play he missed the entire game - and Breese sees it, and the result is a long TD pass to Brandin Cooks with Trevin Wade lost in coverage.
If the reserves cannot hold up for a play or two, that is not DRC's fault. That would be on the guys making the decisions...
I never said it was his fault. I was only giving an example.
Maybe he's pissed JJenkins is paid so much more than him.
Maybe he thinks he's playing hurt and not being rewarded enough
At $6.5 mil for this year and next - he is arguably a bargain for his talent level - but also paid well for a 30+ CB who has some health issues.
I'm sure DRC wants to be paid like the top 5 CBs - but he's not 27 and he's not Revis - so his next choice is 6.5 million to play in blue. That's a solid deal for him. And at 6.5 mil he's both good value and - if an attitude or injury problem- replaceable for the Giants
It's strange you don't seem to know better on the topic. If I could say more freely, I would. Those who seem to take this stuff personally need to think bigger picture, not just about your football team winning.
About the Veiled secretive skull and bones comments that people are making about DRC.
If there is an unnamed issue then name it. It's an Internet message board you won't get sued for libel if you are wrong.
Otherwise stop posting the pseudo accusatory bullshit.
Is it about work ethic? Alchohol? Drugs? Attitude?
Either say what you have to say or don't say anything.
I agree.
To me it sounds as if someone is piggy backing on what was reported by Eric to make it sound as if he's in the know.
I think people should ignore the gossip being said here and look at the facts. DRC is playing well and he is on a good contract. He's more than likely here for this season and next. His 5th year (2018) looks to be the year we part with him.
I've shared what I'm able to for a number of years here
Which is more weird? Objecting to unsupported negative gossip about one of the best players on the team or shitting on that player by spreading gossip without providing facts to back it up?
RE: I've shared what I'm able to for a number of years here
probably 8 years or more, there's no piggybacking on anyone. Eric did catch wind of this before I did, for the record.
There's no need for that, I know Eric was the first to report this. However you've failed to add on or bring anything of value to it which has left little credence in your word. As a long time reader on BBI I've noticed this is a theme for you. And I'm not the only one who has.
There is an over whelming desire to be someone in the know here on BBI. I don't understand it. If you can't explain what's going on with DRC then maybe you can explain that.
The only desire is to attempt to share an occasional bit of news or
insight, nothing more. More telling to me is how some respond to it. Interesting attempt to project something onto me, though. As for adding nothing here, it's been noted, but it's not worth it for this particular topic.
probably 8 years or more, there's no piggybacking on anyone. Eric did catch wind of this before I did, for the record.
There's no need for that, I know Eric was the first to report this. However you've failed to add on or bring anything of value to it which has left little credence in your word. As a long time reader on BBI I've noticed this is a theme for you. And I'm not the only one who has.
There is an over whelming desire to be someone in the know here on BBI. I don't understand it. If you can't explain what's going on with DRC then maybe you can explain that.
Lol, Wut?
RE: RE: I've shared what I'm able to for a number of years here
probably 8 years or more, there's no piggybacking on anyone. Eric did catch wind of this before I did, for the record.
There's no need for that, I know Eric was the first to report this. However you've failed to add on or bring anything of value to it which has left little credence in your word. As a long time reader on BBI I've noticed this is a theme for you. And I'm not the only one who has.
There is an over whelming desire to be someone in the know here on BBI. I don't understand it. If you can't explain what's going on with DRC then maybe you can explain that.
Two things:
Firstly, there is JonC the poster and fan. Agree or disagree with him on his opinions
Then there's JonC the "informer." He lives in a building where some Giants players, past and present reside. He's become an acquaintance and in the course of schmoozing, he learns info that might or might not be reliable after all the smoke clears AND he's ALWAYS been clear about his info is FLUID. That's how info is, whether obtained from the media, via twitter, etc..
Do I like the possibility that what he hears about DRC is a negative that could be true? Of course..I take it with a grain of salt as he has always encouraged us to do, but his grains of salt usually have more teeth to them than what us "non-Insiders" have..
...so he made a statement to the organization without going overboard by skipping the start of OTA's. We'll see what happens down the line but he has several years left on his current deal.
...so he made a statement to the organization without going overboard by skipping the start of OTA's. We'll see what happens down the line but he has several years left on his current deal.
How do you know?
RE: RE: RE: I've shared what I'm able to for a number of years here
probably 8 years or more, there's no piggybacking on anyone. Eric did catch wind of this before I did, for the record.
There's no need for that, I know Eric was the first to report this. However you've failed to add on or bring anything of value to it which has left little credence in your word. As a long time reader on BBI I've noticed this is a theme for you. And I'm not the only one who has.
There is an over whelming desire to be someone in the know here on BBI. I don't understand it. If you can't explain what's going on with DRC then maybe you can explain that.
Two things:
Firstly, there is JonC the poster and fan. Agree or disagree with him on his opinions
Then there's JonC the "informer." He lives in a building where some Giants players, past and present reside. He's become an acquaintance and in the course of schmoozing, he learns info that might or might not be reliable after all the smoke clears AND he's ALWAYS been clear about his info is FLUID. That's how info is, whether obtained from the media, via twitter, etc..
Do I like the possibility that what he hears about DRC is a negative that could be true? Of course..I take it with a grain of salt as he has always encouraged us to do, but his grains of salt usually have more teeth to them than what us "non-Insiders" have..
That's fine and you're certainly entitled to view it that way. I don't. I know his story and even if true I don't believe living in a building with a few players makes you an insider. Also, anyone can say his opinion then claim inside source but say its fluid incase his opinion is wrong. Just listen to how that all sounds.
Inside information that is material and furthers the conversation about the team and the players as players is interesting. Subtle hints and innuendo seems a little gossipy, especially when it's speculation around someone's standing and future with the team. I don't understand how that is the impetus for decent football chat.
Is that it's all so obvious to anyone who uses the internet and their brain, rather than rely on 4th hand information which is likely to have its own slant.
Facts
-DRC is 30 and currently under contract for the next 3 seasons for 6-6.5 mil year.
-He is being paid like a top 20-25 CB, when the top 7 guys (including his teammate JJenkins) are being paid 12.5 year (JJ) to 15 mil/yr.
-He knows if he plays out this contract under the current numbers he is unlikely to have the opportunity to make that kind of money again.
-His hip and leg has been bothering him. When he plays through it he certainly feels he is being a good soldier. When he sits, the Giants feel he isn't doing what they paid for.
-DRC has a history of interesting contract situations (including turning down a back loaded 6 year 54 million deal from the Broncos before the Giants signed him.
My conclusion
DRC is unhappy with his current contract
The Giants know this and have to be prepared to play without him
My comment
DRC is clearly, and understandably less than thrilled to be going to work while being paid less than he feels like deserves and much less than peers are being paid.
DRC has a simple choice - continue to show up and make $6 million + per year or sit out.
It's an easy choice, he will play.
We will see how hard he plays and if he is "hurt" a lot moving forward.
Is that it's all so obvious to anyone who uses the internet and their brain, rather than rely on 4th hand information which is likely to have its own slant.
Facts
-DRC is 30 and currently under contract for the next 3 seasons for 6-6.5 mil year.
-He is being paid like a top 20-25 CB, when the top 7 guys (including his teammate JJenkins) are being paid 12.5 year (JJ) to 15 mil/yr.
-He knows if he plays out this contract under the current numbers he is unlikely to have the opportunity to make that kind of money again.
-His hip and leg has been bothering him. When he plays through it he certainly feels he is being a good soldier. When he sits, the Giants feel he isn't doing what they paid for.
-DRC has a history of interesting contract situations (including turning down a back loaded 6 year 54 million deal from the Broncos before the Giants signed him.
My conclusion
DRC is unhappy with his current contract
The Giants know this and have to be prepared to play without him
My comment
DRC is clearly, and understandably less than thrilled to be going to work while being paid less than he feels like deserves and much less than peers are being paid.
DRC has a simple choice - continue to show up and make $6 million + per year or sit out.
It's an easy choice, he will play.
We will see how hard he plays and if he is "hurt" a lot moving forward.
One minorcorrection to this, Janoris Jenkins isn't seeing 12m this year. His real money starts next season. For this season, DRC and Jenkins have the same value number, $8m.
Sure, this could be about DRC being unhappy with his contract going forward, but this just highlights the value of drafting a CB with great potential when they did.
I hope people don't start turning on him all of a sudden due to some dumb trade rumors and the fact that they may have drafted his replacement. He's still a really good player and quite honestly our best defensive player last year.
I hope people don't start turning on him all of a sudden due to some dumb trade rumors and the fact that they may have drafted his replacement. He's still a really good player and quite honestly our best defensive player last year.
Exactly.
you'ed be NUTS
Now it's a saga? Holy shit
You can count the guys one hand on each team who aren't on essentially one-year contracts.
If DRC plays the way he did last year, he's not going anywhere. Maybe a renegotiation to get him more comp on team friendlier terms.
For such an under-talented team, lots of fans seem convinced the Giants are eager to get rid of their good players.
Money tends to change dynamics, but personalities don't tend to change, imv.
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the saga is over...
Now it's a saga? Holy shit
AP, you might want to take your sarcasm meter to the shop.
Landon Collins.
I think we all saw that every single game DRC would have some issue come up and seemingly take himself out of the game for a play or two.
the Saints game is a perfect example, he got turf in his eye, came out for a play - the only play he missed the entire game - and Breese sees it, and the result is a long TD pass to Brandin Cooks with Trevin Wade lost in coverage.
I don't know if that's the kind of thing JonC's sources see, but I'm sure there's more to it than we as fans know.
I agree with the other posters though, from a fan perspective his contract is a bargain IMO, and he's a legit #1 NFL CB, hard to replace that talent.
Graziano has as many sources as areajunc
I think we all saw that every single game DRC would have some issue come up and seemingly take himself out of the game for a play or two.
the Saints game is a perfect example, he got turf in his eye, came out for a play - the only play he missed the entire game - and Breese sees it, and the result is a long TD pass to Brandin Cooks with Trevin Wade lost in coverage.
If the reserves cannot hold up for a play or two, that is not DRC's fault. That would be on the guys making the decisions...
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I think we all saw that every single game DRC would have some issue come up and seemingly take himself out of the game for a play or two.
the Saints game is a perfect example, he got turf in his eye, came out for a play - the only play he missed the entire game - and Breese sees it, and the result is a long TD pass to Brandin Cooks with Trevin Wade lost in coverage.
If the reserves cannot hold up for a play or two, that is not DRC's fault. That would be on the guys making the decisions...
I never said it was his fault. I was only giving an example.
Jon, I really don't understand that. His 2016 contract says 8M cap hit, 6M dead money if cut. 2017 says 8.5M cap hit, 4M dead money.
Not a lot of difference.
LMAO
What drama?
Front office may need to get over their issues with DRC until they have the bandwidth to play hardball.
If there is an unnamed issue then name it. It's an Internet message board you won't get sued for libel if you are wrong.
Otherwise stop posting the pseudo accusatory bullshit.
Is it about work ethic? Alchohol? Drugs? Attitude?
Either say what you have to say or don't say anything.
Maybe he thinks he's playing hurt and not being rewarded enough
At $6.5 mil for this year and next - he is arguably a bargain for his talent level - but also paid well for a 30+ CB who has some health issues.
I'm sure DRC wants to be paid like the top 5 CBs - but he's not 27 and he's not Revis - so his next choice is 6.5 million to play in blue. That's a solid deal for him. And at 6.5 mil he's both good value and - if an attitude or injury problem- replaceable for the Giants
The End.
If there is an unnamed issue then name it. It's an Internet message board you won't get sued for libel if you are wrong.
Otherwise stop posting the pseudo accusatory bullshit.
Is it about work ethic? Alchohol? Drugs? Attitude?
Either say what you have to say or don't say anything.
I agree.
To me it sounds as if someone is piggy backing on what was reported by Eric to make it sound as if he's in the know.
I think people should ignore the gossip being said here and look at the facts. DRC is playing well and he is on a good contract. He's more than likely here for this season and next. His 5th year (2018) looks to be the year we part with him.
If there is an unnamed issue then name it. It's an Internet message board you won't get sued for libel if you are wrong.
Otherwise stop posting the pseudo accusatory bullshit.
Is it about work ethic? Alchohol? Drugs? Attitude?
Either say what you have to say or don't say anything.
Weird.
There's no need for that, I know Eric was the first to report this. However you've failed to add on or bring anything of value to it which has left little credence in your word. As a long time reader on BBI I've noticed this is a theme for you. And I'm not the only one who has.
There is an over whelming desire to be someone in the know here on BBI. I don't understand it. If you can't explain what's going on with DRC then maybe you can explain that.
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probably 8 years or more, there's no piggybacking on anyone. Eric did catch wind of this before I did, for the record.
There's no need for that, I know Eric was the first to report this. However you've failed to add on or bring anything of value to it which has left little credence in your word. As a long time reader on BBI I've noticed this is a theme for you. And I'm not the only one who has.
There is an over whelming desire to be someone in the know here on BBI. I don't understand it. If you can't explain what's going on with DRC then maybe you can explain that.
Lol, Wut?
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probably 8 years or more, there's no piggybacking on anyone. Eric did catch wind of this before I did, for the record.
There's no need for that, I know Eric was the first to report this. However you've failed to add on or bring anything of value to it which has left little credence in your word. As a long time reader on BBI I've noticed this is a theme for you. And I'm not the only one who has.
There is an over whelming desire to be someone in the know here on BBI. I don't understand it. If you can't explain what's going on with DRC then maybe you can explain that.
Two things:
Firstly, there is JonC the poster and fan. Agree or disagree with him on his opinions
Then there's JonC the "informer." He lives in a building where some Giants players, past and present reside. He's become an acquaintance and in the course of schmoozing, he learns info that might or might not be reliable after all the smoke clears AND he's ALWAYS been clear about his info is FLUID. That's how info is, whether obtained from the media, via twitter, etc..
Do I like the possibility that what he hears about DRC is a negative that could be true? Of course..I take it with a grain of salt as he has always encouraged us to do, but his grains of salt usually have more teeth to them than what us "non-Insiders" have..
How do you know?
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probably 8 years or more, there's no piggybacking on anyone. Eric did catch wind of this before I did, for the record.
There's no need for that, I know Eric was the first to report this. However you've failed to add on or bring anything of value to it which has left little credence in your word. As a long time reader on BBI I've noticed this is a theme for you. And I'm not the only one who has.
There is an over whelming desire to be someone in the know here on BBI. I don't understand it. If you can't explain what's going on with DRC then maybe you can explain that.
Two things:
Firstly, there is JonC the poster and fan. Agree or disagree with him on his opinions
Then there's JonC the "informer." He lives in a building where some Giants players, past and present reside. He's become an acquaintance and in the course of schmoozing, he learns info that might or might not be reliable after all the smoke clears AND he's ALWAYS been clear about his info is FLUID. That's how info is, whether obtained from the media, via twitter, etc..
Do I like the possibility that what he hears about DRC is a negative that could be true? Of course..I take it with a grain of salt as he has always encouraged us to do, but his grains of salt usually have more teeth to them than what us "non-Insiders" have..
That's fine and you're certainly entitled to view it that way. I don't. I know his story and even if true I don't believe living in a building with a few players makes you an insider. Also, anyone can say his opinion then claim inside source but say its fluid incase his opinion is wrong. Just listen to how that all sounds.
Facts
-DRC is 30 and currently under contract for the next 3 seasons for 6-6.5 mil year.
-He is being paid like a top 20-25 CB, when the top 7 guys (including his teammate JJenkins) are being paid 12.5 year (JJ) to 15 mil/yr.
-He knows if he plays out this contract under the current numbers he is unlikely to have the opportunity to make that kind of money again.
-His hip and leg has been bothering him. When he plays through it he certainly feels he is being a good soldier. When he sits, the Giants feel he isn't doing what they paid for.
-DRC has a history of interesting contract situations (including turning down a back loaded 6 year 54 million deal from the Broncos before the Giants signed him.
My conclusion
DRC is unhappy with his current contract
The Giants know this and have to be prepared to play without him
My comment
DRC is clearly, and understandably less than thrilled to be going to work while being paid less than he feels like deserves and much less than peers are being paid.
DRC has a simple choice - continue to show up and make $6 million + per year or sit out.
It's an easy choice, he will play.
We will see how hard he plays and if he is "hurt" a lot moving forward.
Assuming they remain healthy
Facts
-DRC is 30 and currently under contract for the next 3 seasons for 6-6.5 mil year.
-He is being paid like a top 20-25 CB, when the top 7 guys (including his teammate JJenkins) are being paid 12.5 year (JJ) to 15 mil/yr.
-He knows if he plays out this contract under the current numbers he is unlikely to have the opportunity to make that kind of money again.
-His hip and leg has been bothering him. When he plays through it he certainly feels he is being a good soldier. When he sits, the Giants feel he isn't doing what they paid for.
-DRC has a history of interesting contract situations (including turning down a back loaded 6 year 54 million deal from the Broncos before the Giants signed him.
My conclusion
DRC is unhappy with his current contract
The Giants know this and have to be prepared to play without him
My comment
DRC is clearly, and understandably less than thrilled to be going to work while being paid less than he feels like deserves and much less than peers are being paid.
DRC has a simple choice - continue to show up and make $6 million + per year or sit out.
It's an easy choice, he will play.
We will see how hard he plays and if he is "hurt" a lot moving forward.
One minorcorrection to this, Janoris Jenkins isn't seeing 12m this year. His real money starts next season. For this season, DRC and Jenkins have the same value number, $8m.
Sure, this could be about DRC being unhappy with his contract going forward, but this just highlights the value of drafting a CB with great potential when they did.